They get better as I get more practice carving.
"Green" 4bore one is really black paint. I don't
have any wood finishing equipment, and so
many projects, I wouldn't have time anyway.
That is why the paint.Even paint most barrels now,
as I don't have hot blue stuff.
But the 4bore stock holds 1540gr at 2300 ok.
A wild idea about the falling block, maybe
later on as I get final dimensions after getting
extractor figured out, maybe supply action plans and
breech block/trigger/hammer/lever setup for guys
wanting 8-4-2 bores.Just a thought.Ed

Ed- Please post some pics of the action when you get a chance. You still want those .585 Nyati cases?-Rob

Yes all that you got, and my cases ready to go.
Sent you PM..I'll have more detailed pics soon.Ed

[QUOTE]Originally posted by hubel458:
That is why the paint.Even paint most barrels now,
as I don't have hot blue stuff./QUOTE]

I like it...

I've got a single shot NEF 12 ga that I keep on my tractor...

It's got rusty so I broke out the Rustoleum and voila...good as new!

Keep up the good work Ed...

i too paint barrels alot these days.. and i HAVE hot bluing setup .. just more resistent to texas... my night vision rig... EVERY bit of blued steel now wears a coat of properly baked high temp paint... looks like matte blue, honestly, and wears like marble.. scratches, but you have to TRY

the idea is novel, on the rounds.. but that particular setup is just ugly .. not picking on you ed, or belittling your efforts.. lord knows *I* have made some ugly guns ... but this green/black one beats me, hands down..

take it as a compliment of WOW...

I particularly like the two properly buggered phillips head screws probably holding the action in place. Just teasing Ed! Did you send me your address? I'll get the brass out tuesday.-Rob

My address is in the PM I sent you.
Later on I'll get fancier screws.
I'm also an going to try a textured painted
later on. Saw the Ruger in my 585 guy did
with textured paint. Best looking finish
on a working gun I've ever seen. Both
the stock and barrel textured.And didn't
need heat curing.ED

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
And didn't
need heat curing.ED

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
a coat of properly baked high temp paint...

My baking consistent of getting all the oil off, and getting the metal hot to the touch witha torch .. then painting...

5 mins

tada

Jeffe- he said he got it little warm with
hair dryer first. Beautiful surface when
done. I guess they have 4-5 colors you can get
textured. Black, Grey, Brown, tan, etc.
The finish on the stock, you didn't need
checkering for a good grip surface.Ed

Ed,
Do you have any experience with the Marlin Goose Guns. They have a bolt action 12, and 10. Someone is trying to sell me a 10 with a 32 inch barrel. I have not seen the gun and am unsure what the lugs look like on the bolt. I was wandering if it is sturdy enough to handle some hot loads.

They will handle magnum loads(14,000 psi) in plastic
or brass, but no more as only have bolt handle lug.
And also depends on barrel thickness at muzzle.
I think one lug on one side, locks in the back.
They can't be lengthened for longer case.
If it is for 3.5" cases, I would need to know
od muzzle diameter, as well as how lugs are.Ed

Just talked to the guy that wanted to sell. It has no Lugs. Basically the bolt is the only lug. Too bad would have made a cool cheap project. Not really that much fun unless we can get some chamber pressure

Guys wanted more particulars of Hubel FB..
Here is picture, empty falling block receiver
from the top...2nd a side view of the breech
block with back extensions, with hammer and
trigger. Hammer has safety cocking notch.
The lever, not shown, connects to linkage up
inside the two bottom extensions.Ed

When will we see an finished rifle?

The 8bore will be done this fall
I hope. I have to finalize extractor setup.Ed

A fellow in Texas picked up a Tula-Toz 4bore
pump gun like Big Al has. He is getting some
of the 3 inch brass 4ga cases from RMC.
RMC still has them if anyone needs them.
That gun takes a short 4ga case, either brass
or plastic if you can find them.
Pic is Al's gun.Bolt has 4 locking lugs...ED

Saiga 12 from hell!!!!!!-Rob

Here are pictures of the Falling Block breech block.
Front and side view....Notice the integral bottom
extensions are narrower than the top. These are
what the linkage is inside of and when breech is
levered down these fit though the slot in the stock.
And being narrower the slot isn't too wide so the
stock has enough strength. Botton extensions same
width for all action sizes.Just top different
for the size of action needed for big cartridges.
This breech is little rough as it has had a dozen
changes to it. But it holds a load in 4 bore
of 1500gr over 2600.Ed

Some more slug ideas--First picture of 10ga 830gr
hollow base slug in 8ga wad cup, And 690gr hollowbase
69 caliber Dixie Gunworks slug that I swaged down a
little, in a 12ga wad cup.
2nd picture is the a new offering from the EU,a
new 300gr US-S slug with locked on base, discarding
petals, by European Cartridge. Accurate in smooth bores.
In 3" plastic they load to over 2100 with shotgun
powders. In a 3.5" plastic and our slower powders
I could get over 2800. Ed

quote:

Tula-Toz 4bore

What does the TOZ-123 usually sell for?

Did some searching around...

Hard to find...

Are the still being imported???

Not imported anymore, I heard less than hundred in the
country. No 3" plastic cases imported at all for it.
I'd say hard to find.

Only know of 4 -the guy in TX- Big Al back east - one in UP-
one in MO I think RMC said.

Price?? Don't know value in most
guys minds without ready case supply, and having
to get brass ones made...ED

That US-S pointed slug with discarding petals,
and locked on base, shown above is called the
Swift 12. And correction on the weight, it is 320 gr.
And they plan on testing and maybe supplying 3.5"
versions, planning on getting around 2500 fps with
shotgun powders. I know in our 3.85" case in the long
barrel Savage, I could get over 3000 with big amounts
of our slower powders we load with.Also here is picture
of those copper tubing caps that you can make bullet
jackets out of, and fill with lead.I picture you see
a rough one I formed with punch, and with a die they be
perfectly formed. And on the right see big caps that
would do 4 bore.There are caps between the two sizes
that would do 8ga...Ed

More 12gs slug/sabot info-- About discarding sabots.
Most factories making sabot slugs make them relatively light,
300 to 350 grains, and that is why they are on average
more accurate than what guys try to reload with heavier
slugs in the sabots. Reason is light slugs don't damage
the sabot, while they are trying for high velocity.
Example is picture of Hornady SST sabot and it only has
a one way plastic seal over powder, and a hard
rubber cushion inside the sabot under the 300gr jkt
spitzer style slug. Many 12ga hunters say these are
the most accurate.

Another slug idea is a blunt nose jacketed slug of
675gr I made from one of RG's hollow point jkt slugs.
I cut part of jacket off of the front and swaged
it over to make blunt nose. These are for the guys
trying to make short loaded brass case rounds
in 2.5" brass and 2.62" brass to be no more than
2.75" overall to work in certain guns.
On left, 2nd pic. On right is US-S sabot...ED

Here is picture some folks wanted of our
big cases with smaller 30-06 for comparison.
In picture, 1st my 2ga, 4ga, 8ga, 10ga, 12ga,
my 700HE long case, my 700H 3.25", and 06.

2nd picture is short 2 5/8" brass cases we
are checking loads in, to see how much speed
can be gotten.You can easily see the length of
short full bore lead slug, compared to the
saboted ones, allowing more powder in the short
slug load for more speed..

Now this doesn't mean saboted are no good, or
that I don't like these saboted types. Great for
smooth bores, the US-S with locked on base, are
the best there is, I think, for big game.Just
got to use longer cases. I always felt, that going
longer cases is worth the effort where practical ED

I found a couple 20 mm Suzy cases if you need them Ed
As well as some other collector larger artillery

Thanks, I'm set ok. I have plenty now for my
research and wildcatting.Ed

How tough is it to swage down the 20mm Suzy case the 40ish thou to make the 8 gauge from hell? I guess you can thin the rim and have one hell of a tough 8 bore case.

Oh it takes a bunch of work, turned base a little. Anneal
and expanding neck first, then swaging and annealing
between swages. Base has to be shrunk .045"
as well as the whole case after neck expanded.
And first 8ga one I made from Suzy case I turned off old rim
and threaded on a rim to have the rim diameterlarge enough.
That one is the one in the picture above.
Then I found a few that RMC made, which
is definitely the easiest way to get them.
Best to have RMC do them.

For my 877HE belted case when I get to it, I found a basket full
of 20mm Oerlikon cases that has rebated rim and takes less work
to do than the Suzy cases. It is rebated enough that I
will do one with extra barrel in the Vulcan I have my
700HE long case in...ED

Some 10ga experimenting with slug loads.
In NEF with 32" factory, long bull barrel.
It is smooth so we use hollowbase slugs

Cases FED 3.5" plastic cases, roll crimped.
900gr full bore slugs -180 gr RE17- 1800 plus.
Use plastic powder seal and fiber wads.
Slug hollowbase and hard cast.

740gr 69cal hollowbase soft lead slug, in VP100
10 ga wadcup. Deep hollowbase Cup has it own seal
and cushion. 180 gr RE17 -- 2000+ fps.

Here are pictures of a couple other different guns in
my long 585HE cartridge.. 1st is Olympic Arms
BBK bolt gun, in a target style stock with palm
swell pistol grip...2nd is the one I made on a CBC
single shot by mono-blocking in a heavy 585 cal
barrel. Barrels- 1.32" at breech- 1.070 muzzle.Ed

Some 28ga FH info and ideas.
Brenneke now has 28ga slugs, with good speed,
decent smooth bore accuracy. About 260 grain
slugs. SAme style as their 12ga ones with locked
on base.Work in 28ga NEFs of course and
28ga O/Us.Some real good 28ga O/Us out there.
28ga is a .550 Inch bore.

But now Rossi has out, a revolving 28ga shotgun
with about a 19 inch barrel. Should work ok with
those slugs. You could also get RMC 28ga brass cases
about 2 3/4" long, maybe 3", depending on chamber,
a shorter version of our 28GA FH 3.25" case.

Maybe I get one in the future, and put on a longer
heavier 585 cal barrel and set it up for my
585 Short HE. Have a switch barrel 28ga/585.
Neat gun.Called Circuit Judge....Ed

Ed- Did you monoblock that barrel on?-rob

That Rossi has me interested.
Put a 55 cal. rifled barrel on it and you might have a real bear stopper.
But just how much performance could you get out of it?

Cheers, John

Yes that 585 barrel is mono-blocked, like I did with NEFs.

That is a CBC not a Rossi. You could do the same with Rossi.

I can get 750gr 585 bullet t0 2200 and a 650gr
585 bullet to 2400 and extract them with my fingers,
same as I do with NEF. In both I can get 650 to 2700
safely, 750 to 2400 or so.

All these have 30" barrels which are good for
200 fps compared to 18-20" that seem to be
the vogue.ED

Hey Ed,
I was refering to the Rossi revolver carbine in 28 guage.
Its butt ugly but it could be something special.

Cheers, John

Reason I'd put 585 in the Rossi and use my
shorter case 585, is the 28ga chamber is big
enough with a little work to chamber 585.
And you still could change back to the 28ga smooth and
28ga cases still work in chambers.
If you put rifled 55cal in and got brass 28ga cases from
RMC that would do also. Shoot 55cal soft jkt hawks or hard lead.
for deer hunting.They are neat looking gun, I handled one
in 410/45LC at the shop. Just needs longer heavier
barrel and bigger hole in the end.ED

Ed- Any pics available for the Rossi?-Rob

Hi Ed,
RMC sells 24 ga 21/2 also. Is that .585? I cant find a dimensional drawing of the case anywhere.

This thing is kind of like a modern version of the Colt 1855 rifle.
Damn, the more I think about it the better it sounds.

Cheers and Happy Labor Day Weekend
John

Trouble with some pictures........
I'm looking for some pics that I can. OR download
some and host them like I do most of what
I show..OK, I found a picture of 28ga one. Barrel is
smoothbore , could be little heavier barrel
but it will do good with the new plastic case Brenekke slugs,
260 gr at 1450 fps..Could do 2000 in longer
brass case.

Yes RMC has short ones and will make brass
any length you want.

24ga is about .585 same bore as my 585, and
most all 577/585 stuff.ED

No offence to Brenekke and thier slugs but I was thinking a little more towards 577 23/4 inch Light Nitro.
650 grain bullets at about 1650 will be a lot of fun in this thing.

Cheers, John

Yes short 577NE would work, like my 585 Short HE would.
And 650 gr would do heavy game ok..

New Brenneke slug they have is 5 times better than
any slug combo you could get for reloading 28ga,
and wanted to use one in a shotgun only area.
Perfect for youngsters(and oldsters) to deer hunt in
shotgun areas.Ed