AWESOME!!!!
I received the 500 AR dies today --
7 sets!!
Man, these look great, other than say .50 AH ...that's right, AH.. I'll take an electric pencil to them before handing them out.

Sizer, tapered expander, crimper die, and seater(and also crimper) die!!

Other than being a bit slow, I couldn't be happier!!
jeffe

Just tested the dies.. VERY nice...
I ordered some dies boxes, for those that want them...

jeffe

jeffe,
A 500AccRel die set on the next run for me. Seems there's a 20" "ute gun" in my future Now to find another Ruger donor action ... damn those 7mmRemMags are getting scarce all of a sudden!!
Cheers...
Con

quote:

Originally posted by Con:
jeffe,
A 500AccRel die set on the next run for me. Seems there's a 20" "ute gun" in my future Now to find another Ruger donor action ... damn those 7mmRemMags are getting scarce all of a sudden!!
Cheers...
Con

Good Luck Con, a 20 inch barrel on 500 AccRel at about 7.5 pound without a scope will give you a flogging

rattle your brain inside your head

regards
S&F

quote:

Originally posted by ShortandFat:

quote:

Originally posted by Con:
jeffe,
A 500AccRel die set on the next run for me. Seems there's a 20" "ute gun" in my future Now to find another Ruger donor action ... damn those 7mmRemMags are getting scarce all of a sudden!!
Cheers...
Con

Good Luck Con, a 20 inch barrel on 500 AccRel at about 7.5 pound without a scope will give you a flogging

rattle your brain inside your head

regards
S&F

Sounds like the best "In the bush" Roo stomper there is in the Underworld...

Con, I am not using the in frustation .. nay, i am encouraging you mate... just trying to offer you a suggestion for training for your flyweight 500

when this no longer causes your eyes to blurr.....
lol

oh yeah, the ruger actions suddenly took a 50-75 dollar lift here about a 2 years ago... wonder if that anything to do with the guys buying them up for ar rounds?

jeffe

Oh ye of little faith!! What's wrong with a "lightweight" 20" 500AR scooting a 535gr at a sedate 2150fps ... hell its just a grown up 458WinMag at lower pressures!! I'll let S&F test his full loads in the carbine ... not me ... no thanks! Besides, once the action is set up and I have a set of dies ... perfect excuse later for a 23" barrel if required. Just need to find a donor action with a stock that will accept some hogging out ... add lead and a mercury recoil reducer to balance, a set of rem open sights and a Decelerator pad .. perfect!!
Cheers...
Con

Con,
the first set of the 500 AR dies are spoken for ... I'll get the next batch running... Who wants?
jeffe

jeffe,
"Me want" please. I'll get my "sugar-daddy" S&F to pay for me using PayPal as apparently he found it quite easy. I suppose I'd better ask him first ... nah!!!

Put me down for a 500AR die set ... just give me a rough ETA so I can get the cash to S&F on time. They're about US$100 right? Any chance your man will build dies for the other ARs ... or heaven forbid ... 550Express??
Cheers...
Con

All
Midway has shipped the die boxes!! The original 7 sets are spoken for and will be handed out probably next week!


My die guy has started the second set of dies, 7... of those, 2 are spoken for (neal and con)
5 left!!

If I get enough guys wanting a set of dies (3+) I will order a die reamer, and we can make them for the other rounds, if you like.
It's not really much cheaper than CH4D, but is it TONS faster

jeffe

jeffe,
What's your man charging for the dies? I'm tempted to grab a 458AR set ... and certainly if he can come in at under US$182 ... a 550Express set
Cheers...
Con

Con,
We'll need 3 guys wanting a set, to break even..

jeffe

The 458AR would be perfect in a BLR, count me in!

Give that man a cigar...

Thanks!

I don't want to steal the thread, so I'm moving to "Gunsmithing"

Who's shooting the 458AR? What your favorite load and what is about max for that round? Do you thing 24" barrel would be about right?

Just done a little load testing. Rifle is a Parker-Hale action w a 22" Douglas barrel and a Bold trigger. Has a 2.5x Leupold Compact scope mounted w Leupold QRW mounts. Holds one in the jug and 3 down.

Best (but mild) load so far has been 425 gr Rhinos with 85 gr H335 at 2350 fps from a 22" barrel. Have not pressed 500 Woodleighs beyond 2155 fps with 78 gr of H335. Is by no means max even in the short barrel.

Good play load is A 435 gr FPCG bullet with 50 gr of XMR 5744. Recoil is very mild and load is holding abt 1 1/2" at 100 yards with a 2.5x scope. Am an old guy and my eyes are probably the limiting factor on the load. (Quickload indicates this is likely to be a 50k psi load at 2150 fps.)

I suspect the .458 AR will take pretty much anything on the planet. Now we just need headstamped brass so that we can take these fellas to where there are big enough animals to challenge it

REALLY good news!

Just got a call from Jeffe ... he and others are making an arrangement to get headstamped 458 AR brass (actually headstamped .458 AccRel for the Aussies).

Looks like the price will be about $1.50 per case. Looks like we have enough for the minimum order. Let Jeffe know what you might commit to so he can order enough. (I took 100 ...will use it for hunting and the cases made from RUM brass for practice!)

If you have or are building a 500 AR you should also contact Jeffe as they are also working on a source of brass for it!

thanks Mike.
I am working with RNS to get us headstamped brass. There are 3 tough things to do when you do these things
1: find unheadstamped brass
2: buy the bunter (die)
3: Get the cash together for the order.

We are looking at doing the 458 AccRel (for the OZ fellas) and the 500 AccRel .. 458AR and 500 AR to you and me.

We have 300 pieces already for the 458 AR, and I don't think it will take much to get us to 300 for the 500AR.

I don't have a firm price, but plan on it being $1.50 USD per case.


For the 416 and 470 AR owners, Since it might be difficult to get to 300 pieces, I will be willing to cnc engrave your cases for you, for whatever the blank brass cost+25¢ each

I will be ordering this stuff in a week or so, if Neal has any luck at all on these.

So, to restate
it takes a (total) of 300 pieces ordered to get the headstamp bunter...
the 458 AR is already over that
the 500 AR is at/over it
the 416 AR COULD be
the 470 AR might be, but can be CNC engraved.

100 458 for Mike
100 458 for Harry
100 458 for George
100 458 for Me

100 500 AR for Harry
100 500 AR for Me...

Joe, Con, Frank, Peyton?
jeffe

this sort of thing is what sets the AR Forum head and shoulders above the other websites out there. There are people here DOing things every day.

Jeffe with the AccRel series
RNS developing a whole new caliber
which I piggybacked
RGB who started it several years ago with his 600Ok
Bitterroot and his 700AHR

Best of all, Ed Hubel and his tireless experiments bringing us the 585HE and the 700HE, and the 12 GA from Hell

Boomstick, who thinks out loud here a lot, and is an encouragement to all; and a thought-provoker.

Wow, what a cool place to hang out.

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

Jeffe I will have a chat with Con and we will order a bunch from you guys, there is no problems ordering brass so it's a goer as far as I'm concerned.

We have tentively organised a review of the rifles by a story editor of our largest Sporting Shooter organisation, they are our Equivelent of your NRA, it would be niece to give them head stamped brass, They publish a monthly magazine all over the country.

I would think 150 458AccRel and 150 500AccRel for the 2 of us here in Australia

Actually Con mentioned we should try and make up 2 more rifles later this year, dies and brass and sell them off, maybe we need to order more brass ?


regards
S&F

currently at!
470 pieces of 458AR
400 pieces of 500AR

Thanks Joe, COn, Peyton, and everyone so far

Would love to see the ARs in OZ on a mag!

I'll be updating ya'll as we see them.

jeffe

Jeffe

I talked to Qual Cart and the ball is rolling on the cartridges.

thanks Neal for working it out with Pete. Mike for kicking me in the kyster to get moving; And all YOU GUYS for making it happen!!

This simply wouldn't have happened without ya'll

In an effort to reduce cost, we are going to ask QC to only supply basic, but headstamped brass.

jeffe

Jeffe,

Good show!

Would it be correct to say that basic brass will be straight walled and will require annealing, sizing, trimming, and fireforming?

Let us know when we need to send you money and about when brass might be available.

(Please note that I am NOT complaining. Just glad to have the brass and really glad I ask abt QC.)

Mike,
it will be straight walled, and require trimming. I don't know if it will come annealed or not, but one look at it will tell

remember, cut them a hair long, remove the expander button, and resize.. THEN trim and expand

Mike,

Does this mean you will be taking the 458ar to africa? It will be the first, won't it?

Good work Jeff on the brass.

Hope to go in April of next year. So, may not be the first ... but most likely among the first six or seven . Just plains game and the big rifle won't be at all necessary, but with 425 gr Rhino light loads at 2350-2400 fps a 10 pound scoped rifle would do fine.

Thought I might take a scoped Chapuis 9,3x74R as primary. (One pretty, one pretty ugly ) Kinda silly I guess but no more so than the Rigby that took a Gemsbock in 2004.

Thanks for the note. I have not been following very much lately.
Put me down for 50 of the 500 and 50 of the .416.
Also put me down for 50 of the .458.
I will send funds as soon as we are ready.
Let me know how much and when to send.
Frank

50 416
520 458
450 500 ARs

thanks frank

wow!
I missed the headstamptd brass part of this thread... Gotta have 50 pieces! Thanks for making it happen El Jeffe!!!!

50 416
520 458
450 500 ARs
150 pieces 470 AR

Some new load data from yesterday:

82gr N530 gave me a 3 shot avg of 2411fps from my 22" barrel. Accuracy was excellent. COAL = 3.28".

i called peyton -- those are rem 405s, for the 458AR
added to ammoguide.com

shesh

another jeffeosso TYPO

quote:

for the 405AR

Keith

All right the 405s are gone. I've got some 550 gr cast boolets to try next. What powder and charge will get me ~1800-1900fps?

The first of the 500 AR dies have been released to the world!!
jeffe

So, how close is the 458AR in case capacity to the 460 G&A? Could you use load data from it to start working up a load for the 458AR? What about brass???

I've got a ton of loads on ammoguide and in this thread. I haven't loaded for, nor compared, the 460 GA, or the ga short, aka 450GA .. my 458 is very much like a 458 vincent "middle" ...
jeffe

500 AR dies released in the wild... some more going to pacnor on friday, as well as a bullet press headed out!
jeffe