I want to shoot subsonic at about 850 fps. Has anybody tried a lightly loaded 458AR for things like detonation?

Also, has anyone tried a small ring Mauser action in 458AR? Did it require any bolt-face machining?

Sorry. I meant 7mm Mauser.

Con, Cleavers up in QLD have Mag action Hawkeyes for $865 plus shipping. I'm considering buying one, pulling and selling the BBL and going from there. Magnum donor actions are bloody pricey, for what you get. The only blued donor I have been able to find was a 7mm, and the guy wanted $650 for it.
I did find a mark 1 Ruger 77 in 458, but it was stupid $$$, $1995.00...
Might go the wood/blued route myself, if I can find some SAKO crossbolts like S&F used.

Dave

I saw the advert, it's a great price, yes get yourself a 300 WM or 338 WM, they have a slightly thicker stock. My 458 AccRel was built on a NEW Ruger Hawkeye in 338 WM

My 500 AccRel is being built on a NEW Ruger Mark 2 7mm Rem Mag and I sold the stock off it was like a cheap piece of pine. I didn't like the wood at all on the OLDER model, it was too thin and light for my liking, I replaced it with a Boyds JRS laminate

Sako cross bolts can be ordered thru you local gunshop if they have a Beretta account, get the Matte ones, it will match the Hawkeye

The Hawkeye stocks are rounder, and the sako cross bolts are wide so they will need to be recessed into the stock. You cant really contour the cross bolt they aren't thick enough. When you see the stock you will see what I'm talking about

I'll send you a Picture of mine

Also get yourself off to a Bunnings Hardware store and buy yourself a threaded length of brass, you will need it to make a pistol grip pin

Lastly throw the thin Hawkeye kick pad to the crapper, get yourself a good 1 inch Limbsaver, it's worth every cent. If you want convincing, leave it as is shoot it until your sore and you will buy a Limbsaver withour question

Actually get it all together and let me know, I'll organize a day, you can come to my workshop and we'll put it all together. BOB at KUDU Gunsmithing is working on my 500 AccRel at the momment, when I get it back I'll be Finishing my own stock and bedding it, if you have yours done by then I'll bed yours as well

With the money you save on the Ruger you can quickly order a 458 Barrel from TSE (MAB), mine is a #5.5 Shielen Profile, but it's basically the same profile as a PACNOR #6, or contact PENNY at PACNOR in the US, order and pay for a 458 Barrel and organize a B709 Customs import permit for when it arrives

Go GO GO times waisten

regards
S&F

quote:

Originally posted by Sambar 9.3:
Con, Cleavers up in QLD have Mag action Hawkeyes for $865 plus shipping.

Might go the wood/blued route myself, if I can find some SAKO crossbolts like S&F used.

Dave,
Domestic bliss was almost shattered by that advert The lunatic prices being asked for S/H Ruger's currently makes a new one very worthwhile and then part it out ... S&F got a great price for his take-off 338WM barrel. It's worth advertising on the Australian forums and see whether you can find someone that will take the barrel straight away ... OR as another blokes that's building a 458AccRel may do ... switch-barrel it! I suppose if you can order all your bits and pieces, getting Bob deVries to put it together is the easiest way to keep it "local" for you. The man is a wizard and I hate his ability to talk me into projects everytime I'm in his shop.
Cheers...
Con
PS: I'm back at work next week and will contact Hornady then about organising some 458AccRel dies ... I think the order will be for possibly 3 die sets. One for me, S&F wants another set, and there's another building one as well. If you wanted a set you can email Lonnie and we can all split freight to say S&F's shop. Then I'll get your die set to you in Melbourne??

G'day Con. Sounds like a plan. I'll get an email away to Lonnie.
S&F, Thanks for that, I'd like to see how yours was made, since that 'neutral' feel is what I hope to replicate.
A 338 should be on it's way as we speak.

Peyton and I ordered McGowen barrels, in the cz "heavy" profile for .510.

jeffe

Well,
There's 2 rugers on the way to McGowen to be rebarreled!!
jeffe

Jeffe

My Ruger 7mm Rem Mag is being worked on as we speak, - 500 AccRel here we come

- Pacnor Sendero barrel, .510 bore, chambered and cut to 25 inches
- Barrel lug
- Going to use factory mounts with Leupold 2.5 compact scope
- Back up with NECG masterpiece front sight, NECG rear ruger peep,
- Tally barrel band
- Boyds JRS laminate stock, duel cross bolts and wrist pin (I will bed it)
- 1 inch Limbsaver kickpad

The gunsmith will have to fly blind a little with opening up the action rails, I don't have fireformed case for him so he's going to open the action up based on the GO GAUGE, worse case I can send it back to him with some fireformed cases

I have 20 necked up cases to be fireformed, I can't wait

regards
S&F

Joe,
Just my advice.. DONT ...
Let him use some fireforming loads to make up dummies ... or, if possible, I can send you some EMPTIES that are fireformed, no bullet no primer...

You don't need bullets to fireform!

Jeffe

My gunsmith isn't close, he's about a 3 hour drive away, he only has the action not the stock, I'm doing the inletting and bedding so he can't fire it

I suggested I take the rifle back as a single shot with NO rail work, fireform cases and then ship it back to him, he said it might be months before he can get back to finishing it, so he'd have a crack at the rail work while he had the work in progress

Actually Jeffe, your offer of 2 or 3 fireformed case is the most sensible, I think I would only need 2 FORMED cases to give him, you've already done so much for us I hate to ask, but YES thanx Jeff a few fireformed cases would mean he could complete the rail inletting with the job in one go, without me having to return the rifle.

I'll be in touch and send you a little money for the shipping

much appreciated
S&F

Joe,
since the recoil for fireforming loads is so light, he can make a "mule" ... or, as I have seen from some old guys ... take a stock, cut off the forearm just at the ring, and have it as a stock .... not for shooting REAL loads, for for checking fireforming and feeding....

and a used ruger stock may cost less than shipping!!

ya'll tell me.. mates rates

sorry for the delay... i will be fireforming and shipping either saturday or monday ...

mcgowen is sorting out peyton and my barreled axtions on rugers!!

i got them all roughed fireformed, but want to have a POP on them, for the hornady folks to make the dies...

Anyway, I'll go shoot (carter's 9am if anyone wants to come) tomorrow... I've got a BUNCH of rounds that need to be shot!
jeffe

Thanks for the help Rodney

416, 458, and 470 AR fireformed brass goes to hornady tomorrow

500AR stuff to oz and mcgowen!

No problem, always enjoy shoot'n the big ones, even if it's just fireforming. By the way those "AR" rounds are very appealing. Rodney.

Just talked to the great folks at McGowen...
They think the 2 500 ARs on rugers will be barreled up and feeding next week!!
jeffe

well, update on 500 AR dies.. they are "a couple weeks" off, ..
but, they ARE done, just waiting for time to finish them

jeffe

Guys,
If anyone is interested, I just received confirmation from Lonnie Hummel at Hornady that they're now ready to cut 458AR die sets.

Order has been placed from Australia ... contact Lonnie if your after a set!
Cheers...
Con

Con
He SHOULD have dies cut by now, i sent them brass 4 or 5 weeks ago
416, 458, and 470 AR brass!

jeffe,
Odd as I only just got confirmation that my cases where received ... they seem to have waited on my brass arriving following my request for dies?? Maybe a lack of communication internally at Hornady?
Anyway ... they're ready to rumble!! Two sets are ordered for Australia.
Cheers...
Con

Well I got my 500ar barreled action back on Saturday. Looks great. I'll have some pics up tonight. McGowen installed a new follower and reworked the feed rails. It picks up a full size 416 from the box nicely, I haven't been able to check with fire formed brass yet. I ordered a front sight, barrel band, and stock last night.





I'm disapointed they didn't install a 2nd recoil lug, I told them to. I can manage the front sight, barrel band and stock work myself, now its at least a 1 to 2 month more wait to have a smith install a recoil lug. I've got to have this thing running for gun season.

pics up

Nice one PT

I still haven't heard from my Smith yet, damn it takes a long time

Is there enough meat in the rear sight lug to make a barrel lug ?

regards
S&F

S&F,

Jeffe told me we could just square it off and it would work as a recoil lug if I understood him correctly. I should just buy a file and do it by hand.

ptaylor, I'm equally impressed with your choice of broadheads.

Sorry, didn't meen to get off subject.

Mine should be shipping in the next couple days... I have CZ rear sights waiting!
jeffe

Mine shipped, should be here this week.
Dies should ship, for the 500 AR, before end of month.

package going to oz tomorrow or saturday

i received my 500 AR on a ruger m77 mkII barreled action from McGowen tonight. Looks basically exactly like Peyton's, except mine is chrome moly, not stainless.

It feeds 2 down, one up, no problem, and feeds off the top like a ruger SHOULD ... which means you can throw one on top and close the bolt without doing the mauser vulcan neck pinch!

bore looks amazing, other work looks really good.

I had ordered and sent 375 RUM followers, whichmight need a 1/16" weld on the left front side.

Fit in a std length ruger, mag box, and just got the longer follower and trimmed it shorter.

post-Ike, we'll see how it shoots!
jeffe

Its a great day for the AR carts!

Jeffe,

Hot Damn!!!!!!!

When we send you money?

The orders are going to be through www.custombrassandbullets.com when Neal gets the pricing from QC

The 500 AccRel was done, but Pete didn't like the bunter, so it it went back.

All I can do is thank you guys, and NEAL from the bottom of my heart!
jeffe

Jeffe

That brass looks fantastic you should be proud of yourself, this calibre and development has been quiet an accomplishment , it's awesome.

I just hope he doesn't have a problem exporting it to OZ!!

I tell you what....... it can't be far from mass production now

regards
S&F

Bless you Joe!
the 500 AR bunter (headstamp) is being redone ..

Con
Well, with the barrels being 458 AccRel and 500 AccRel, you are just acknowledging their previous wisdom!

jeffe,
I'll chase them up to see whether they have export permits, that's basically the hurdle we need to overcome to get them here. Worst case scenario, Sinclair's has acted as an intermediate to get brass to Australia before.

Well done again on making this a reality, there's another 458AccRel urrently being built with another as a possible. Now just to get Ruger to accept this is a no-brainer in their line-up as a stopper rifle.
Cheers...
Con

Guys
We are getting closer and closer to headstamped brass!

They will be on www.custombrassandbullets.com soon!

Hi, been lurking in the shadows for ages and finally thought i had better post.

Received my barreled 458AR action(on a Ruger M77 MkII) on Friday, mine is the third to be built in Australia. Will endeavor to get it together asap and use it.

Special thanks to Con and SHORTandFAT, these guys have helped me to no end .

Paz

Howdy Paz!!
Hope you enjoy it tons! Con and Joe are great blokes!

500 AR dies are to ship THIS week

Another forum member has put together another 470 on a m70

Peyton and I have our 500s to get finished...

FUN STUFF