Thanks guys...
Peyton, I est your load is 2175ish.

Gumboot, the 400gr woody at 2400 ought to be nearly perfect for everywhere but africa, and even there most of the time. The 400gr barnes was just about perfect to me, but they didn't make the TSX in that one.. they SHOULD, and in .475 as well, and then run it 2200-2400 fps and be THE slayer of the 45s.

jeffe

these swift a frame 400 grainers look good

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?s...id=380654&t=11082005


I like the two canalure vs the woodleigh

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?s...id=429585&t=11082005

I've got to agree that the 400gr Woodleigh PP looks the goods where non-dangerous game is concerned and its one projectile I'm particularly looking forward to trying. Back it off to 2150fps and it's almost a perfect hunting load for beginning big-bore shooters too.
Cheers...
Con

I acquired a number of 425 Rhinos. A pretty decent bonded bullet. My load of choice so far has been one of these at 2350-2375 fps from a 22" barrel. Is very loud but surprisingly moderate of recoil in a 10 pound rifle (including a 2.5x Leupold Compact scope). Feels much less abusive than a 500 gr Woodleigh at 2250-2300.

I think you're on the right track with the 400 gr Woodleigh.

Just a brief note
Neal and I both bloodied our 458 ARs last weekend! He got a boar and I an axis!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Just a brief note
Neal and I both bloodied our 458 ARs last weekend! He got a boar and I an axis!

Congrats!! Pics please!

jes peeeks plees...

Yeah. I could stand to see more photos as I also have a .458 waiting to transform.
Hey Boomie. What kind of time do you have either Sunday afternoon or Monday morning. I am floating around and will be in Camarillo after I check in on my new house in Ojai. Maybe we could meet up for a coffee. I would like to see your belted baby close up.
Frank

Frank...PM sent.

I am about to order some 500AR reloading dies.. who wants a set?

These are Neal's boar and my axis doe (tiny)..
We was askaired as we had used a slow standard twist rate, and wuz worried soething fierce about bounceback

I am going to be going forward so I may as well get mine now. I sent you a pm also. Pleases send me info.
Frank

Frank
got it..
that's 3
jeffe

[[Gumboot, the 400gr woody at 2400 ought to be nearly perfect for everywhere but africa, and even there most of the time. The 400gr barnes was just about perfect to me, but they didn't make the TSX in that one.. they SHOULD, and in .475 as well, and then run it 2200-2400 fps and be THE slayer of the 45s.]]]

jeffe[/QUOTE]..................Ya , it seems the 350 gr . bullets get all the attention . but the 400 give a real balance in the 458 ....The ones I,ve recovered from wood have been expanded to more than .9" .......If Barnes is too ,,,whats the word ,, to keep makeing that 400 gr X or TSX then GS has a great looking HV in that weight class ...The swift is too flat nosed for me but the Woodleigh 400 gr PP is about perfact ....The 400 gr AK Bullet Works RN takes on a semi spitzer shape if left in the tumbler for 2 hours ....For here where I hunt , it is too limiting to stick with a 150 yrd bullet .............The 458,s general utility and need of useing all around bullets can be seen with an incident that happened to my wife and I last night .........,,We went to the city sanitary landfill. ......And were accosted by about an 8.5 foot bear ,., He wasn,t chargeing at all but he seemed pretty intent on being where we was ......We were disposing of old lumber , cardboard, carpet ect ,, no food waste ...... I torched off 1 round of 458 Win mag over its head .,{ yes I actually fired a warning shot } which stopped him @about 15 feet.,.,He stopped , thot about it for a few seconds and turned around and walked to about 150 feet away and sat down ...He looked cute and funny sitting there but when he was comeing right up the bank despite us yelling and the pickup running .,., the purpose in his stride and eyes was kind of scary .....[who wants to have to shoot a bear at the dump .].....,.,It is also deer season and so a rifle is always with me any way .,., With a 30 cal , ect I would not have had the confidence to deal with the bear in the same way .....,.,

Thanks el jeffe! I was somehow invisioning "a bit" of fragmenting. (the meat hunter in me coming out) Looks like nice clean kills!!

Bruce,
the rem 405s are flying bombs. I was shooting 400gr woodlieghs PP, and neal was shooting advanced copper HP.... the HPs split off the petals.. but they are designed for 1800, not 2300


even rem 405s will survive, some times.. but i have run them 2500 and hit a pig.. BOOM!!!

jeffe

Keith tells me you guys are over run with test subjects. Keep up the good work!!!

Good show Jeff and Neal. Do I recognize that skinning shed area?
Take good care,
Dave

Hey Dave
That's the new place
oh, how's january/feb for you?

I just got pricing on the dies, and those are $100 USD+shiping for the 500 AR. three die set, sizer, seater, and taper crimp.

Turn around before year end.

So, if you want a set, please PM me
jeffe

I am planning on ordering 5 sets
Frank
Peyton
Jeffe
Neal

anyone else? do i need to order more?

Re: 500AR

Hell yes why not, I'm not ready yet, still waiting for the 458AR to get finished but the dies can sit on my shelf until I'm ready

I'll have to talk to Australian Customs and see if they will let me bring in a Chambered .50 barrel, otherwise I'll have to get one of you kind "heartfilled" guys to rent me a spare 500AR chamber reamer for a sort time in Australia


+1 set to Joe in Australia

regards
S&F

jeffe,

when I saw you contemplating a round number order for the 500AR, it occured to me that you might have an extra set of 458AR dies kicking around??? Just curious. I have a "calibre gap" in my safe, and had intended to eventually fill it with a 450 Ackley, but....the AR would do nicely too.

Cheers,
Chris

Short and fat...

how about this more "specific" style...

sorry jeffe

Sorry Boom, I don't know what you are talking about

regards
S&F

Chris,
I don't have a spare set, but i bet CH4D could be talked into another run. EMail Neal, as he is going to need to order at least one set

Joe
Do you want a set of 500 AR dies? (i am slow!!) and is it anymore trouble to get a barrel than a chambered barrel?

Boomy.. WHATHUH!!!!????!?!?!


I am going to have to order more, then..
frank
peyton
neal
jeffe
joe
rocky

and if anyone else wants them... might have to make 10!

Jeffe

Yes 500AR for me

There is some red tape crap over here in Australia, I'm told apparently a 50cal rifled barrel blank is fine to import as soon as it's chambered it becomes a firearm part

But if I can get a special permit or something it might work ! will chase it up

go figure !

Gentlemen out of interest, what dona action are you considering for the 500AR

regards
S&F

odd law, but okay...

ruger 77 mkII!!
howa 1500!!

jeffe

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
odd law, but okay...

ruger 77 mkII!!
howa 1500!!

jeffe

Howa 1500 - Actually Jeffe funny you should mention that, my 416 Taylor is on a Howa action, 24 inch fluted barrel I get 2600FPS out of it with 340g woodleighs.

I don't tell a lot of people becuse they might think its a cheap, rubbish action but it's very accurate, bedding was simple, it's fired about 150 rounds now without failure, stock is the synthetic model

Best part....you can buy a new rifle and use the action I think mine was a 300 Win Mag..I brought it new, it never fired a shot, the new gun went from gunshop to the chopshop, the new rifle worked out very cheap.

I do think the 500AR is a fantastic way to have a 50 cal dangerous game rifle for 1/2 the price of an OEM rifle

regards
S&F

Joe,
cheap ruger, and a barrel, and fairly cheap dies... yep, EVEN IF YOU BOUGHT NEW, for less than 1500 US, you could have a 500 AR, which meets all the requirements of the 500 class.. and NO REBATES on the rim (weatherby brass is all rebated, as well as the 500 jeff) .. but rebated rims, once feeding, are more academic than some items
jeffe

ordering 7 sets -
all seven spoken for...

let me know quick if you want another set.. these are the first run, and it may be as much as 4-6 months after this one

jeffe

Holy Shit,

Just got a price for 100 Empty 416 Rigby NORMA cases for the new 500AR and got quoted $585 Australian per 100

I wanted Norma Brass becaues it has more tin in it, thinner walls, strong and a better case capacity = more powder, but man nearly $600 thats another gun in the safe

Might just shut up and only get 40 cases, I don't want to fire more than 40 rounds in one day anyway

regards
S&F

my god!! hornadys are 30 bucks, us, per 20, which would be 150 per 100...

you have got to be kidding me!!

I liked the hornadys better than the norma. slight thinner necks, and more uniform in capacity.

but hornady, norma,jamison, and beltturnedoff weatherby were all withing 1 gr.

HORNADY.... but, betram would work, if you can get bruce to run you a HARD lot

i have the box in my hands, ready to go out in the morning
jeffe

S&F,
Don't stress the details ... we'll visit Bertram and pick up some "seconds" ... your absolute worst case scenario ... you buy me 40 Bertram seconds, I'll trade you 20 Hornady once-fired factory cases. I'll hold off loading them just in case. Or ... we hassle Hornady rep for some Hornady brass and split a bag of 100. x50 cases will last me a long time in the Rigby.

Jeffe,
Is CH/4D making the dies? If so their expander plug is crap ... I'll get a local firm to put together a tapered 50cal expander to fit the Lee decapping die so S&F can get to making cases.

S&F ... For the first range session, think we'll need to order a set of Safari suits with "458AR" and "500AR" embroidered on the back ... plus "Addicted to recoil" You smoke cigars?
Cheers...
Con

S&F

Nioa list the 378 based brass at $525/100, but as you know that is full retail. The last lot of 378 cases I got were about $380 of HPGShop.

Maybe Norma charges a little extra to remove the belt from the 378 brass and then put a bit taper on the case

Mike

Con
Nope, not ch4d. I like their product, but i talked with a guy known for making hunting/benchrest dies, .. and asked, specifically that there be a tapered expander, .416 to .508 ..might be at least as good for 2/3 the price

i have the package all done up and ready to ship out in the morning... oh,yeah,7.8" dies, same as most rigby dies

jeffe

jeffe,

Cheers...
Con

reamers, cases, gages, and money on the way to the die maker!!

And your money is on the way to you.
Would you like some more brass?
Frank

Thanks Frank, that's great news!! I am booking in on hornady brass, trying to get up to 100 sooner or later!!

jeffe

reamers and such have arrived with the die maker... anyone want a trim die, as well?
jeffe