The part I never understood is how some say Andrew had nothing to do with this. He marketed the hunt on AR.

I can understand some of the other things, but I can't comprehend this one.

Larry - you are dead on!

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Originally posted by larryshores:
The part I never understood is how some say Andrew had nothing to do with this. He marketed the hunt on AR.

I can understand some of the other things, but I can't comprehend this one.

Exactly.

Let me understand this.

I suggest a great hunt for Markhor in Pakistan and suggest you contact someone in Afghanistan & pay them $50,000.

Who is responsible for the decision to make payment and for doing due diligence before payment is made?

quote:

Originally posted by dogcat:
Michael,
No, a Go Fund Drive is for folks in a jam, not for people who put themselves in a jam by their own actions.
Agree that Baldry never got any money but he directed where it was to be sent and sold the hunt on a concession he would not get access to. Then, when refunds were passed out, did he remotely attempt to get his client paid first?

I won’t restate anything more here. You know my position. You act as an agent then you are accountable.

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Let me understand this.

I suggest a great hunt for Markhor in Pakistan and suggest you contact someone in Afghanistan & pay them $50,000.

Who is responsible for the decision to make payment and for doing due diligence before payment is made?

quote:

Originally posted by dogcat:
Michael,
No, a Go Fund Drive is for folks in a jam, not for people who put themselves in a jam by their own actions.
Agree that Baldry never got any money but he directed where it was to be sent and sold the hunt on a concession he would not get access to. Then, when refunds were passed out, did he remotely attempt to get his client paid first?

I won’t restate anything more here. You know my position. You act as an agent then you are accountable.

Bad analogy.

A proper analogy would be, you advertise and market a markhor hunt in Pakistan. You arrange for the quota with the concession holder. You set the price of hunt, arrange the dates of the hunt and will be the guide on the hunt. When it comes time to pay, you set up the client with the concession holder in Pakistan. Then when the concession owner absconds with the client’s money, you tell the client good luck getting the money back from the concession owner. That’s an analogous example.

The notion that this whole thing is akin to someone suggesting or recommending a hunt to a friend or someone else is absolute rubbish.

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Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Let me understand this.

I suggest a great hunt for Markhor in Pakistan and suggest you contact someone in Afghanistan & pay them $50,000.

Who is responsible for the decision to make payment and for doing due diligence before payment is made?

quote:

Originally posted by dogcat:
Michael,
No, a Go Fund Drive is for folks in a jam, not for people who put themselves in a jam by their own actions.
Agree that Baldry never got any money but he directed where it was to be sent and sold the hunt on a concession he would not get access to. Then, when refunds were passed out, did he remotely attempt to get his client paid first?

I won’t restate anything more here. You know my position. You act as an agent then you are accountable.

Bad analogy.

A proper analogy would be, you advertise and market a markhor hunt in Pakistan. You arrange for the quota with the concession holder. You set the price of hunt, arrange the dates of the hunt and will be the guide on the hunt. When it comes time to pay, you set up the client with the concession holder in Pakistan. Then when the concession owner absconds with the client’s money, you tell the client good luck getting the money back from the concession owner. That’s an analogous example.

The notion that this whole thing is akin to someone suggesting or recommending a hunt to a friend or someone else is absolute rubbish.

I said it before, and I re[eat it here again for you.

You are a lawyer, have hunted in Africa so familiar with it.

Hop in a plane, together with the client, go over there and sue Ibi!

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Let me understand this.

I suggest a great hunt for Markhor in Pakistan and suggest you contact someone in Afghanistan & pay them $50,000.

Who is responsible for the decision to make payment and for doing due diligence before payment is made?

quote:

Originally posted by dogcat:
Michael,
No, a Go Fund Drive is for folks in a jam, not for people who put themselves in a jam by their own actions.
Agree that Baldry never got any money but he directed where it was to be sent and sold the hunt on a concession he would not get access to. Then, when refunds were passed out, did he remotely attempt to get his client paid first?

I won’t restate anything more here. You know my position. You act as an agent then you are accountable.

Suggesting a hunt is a lot different than actively advertising one.

Can whoever is pushing this just give it up? I'm tired of skipping over it.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Can whoever is pushing this just give it up? I'm tired of skipping over it.

+1

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
Can whoever is pushing this just give it up? I'm tired of skipping over it.

+1

Easy for you guys…you weren’t stolen from so mighty convenient. For a Hunt Advertised and sold off this site no less
Also the absolute gaslighting that continues is why the thread continues.
It’s really quite amazing…
So many good guys on here for years and so willing to look the other way on this
All because a “beloved member” by many sold it and got caught in a vice
But most of that is simply because he lied about and never owned his role
So no….thread won’t die…

100%. If it was their $80K that Baldry helped steal they would want this thread to live forever as a pinned thread.

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Originally posted by Kpoynter:

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
Can whoever is pushing this just give it up? I'm tired of skipping over it.

+1

Easy for you guys…you weren’t stolen from so mighty convenient. For a Hunt Advertised and sold off this site no less
Also the absolute gaslighting that continues is why the thread continues.
It’s really quite amazing…
So many good guys on here for years and so willing to look the other way on this
All because a “beloved member” by many sold it and got caught in a vice
But most of that is simply because he lied about and never owned his role
So no….thread won’t die…

Get your facts together.

The client got his hunt from another site.

We offer a free place for outfitters and professional hunters to offer their hunts.

We do not charge anything for it.

So by your assumption, the site that charges money to allow hunt offers is just as guilty?

Here you go, lawyers, have at it!

Bloody hell, nothing goes past the human vermin!

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Originally posted by Kpoynter:

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
Can whoever is pushing this just give it up? I'm tired of skipping over it.

+1

Easy for you guys…you weren’t stolen from so mighty convenient. For a Hunt Advertised and sold off this site no less
Also the absolute gaslighting that continues is why the thread continues.
It’s really quite amazing…
So many good guys on here for years and so willing to look the other way on this
All because a “beloved member” by many sold it and got caught in a vice
But most of that is simply because he lied about and never owned his role
So no….thread won’t die…

DITTO!!!!

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Can whoever is pushing this just give it up? I'm tired of skipping over it.

They making Andrew into a scapegoat!

Not sure if Ibi isn’t paying them??

Because all they are doing is diverting attention from Ibi, the real crook in this.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
Can whoever is pushing this just give it up? I'm tired of skipping over it.

They making Andrew into a scapegoat!

Not sure if Ibi isn’t paying them??

Because all they are doing is diverting attention from Ibi, the real crook in this.

Saeed,
As normal as you appear, let me answer what you just posted.

1. Andrew is not the scapegoat. He is culpable and as guilty as Ibi. He sold the hunt and now wants a pass with your blessing and others. He facilitated this on your website.

2. Ibi paying who? Me? I haven't noticed anything new in bank account. How about you?? You are defending Andrew as if he was your favorite pet. If Ibi could or would pay anyone, logic says it would be CME to end this mess.

3. No attention is diverted from Ibi. He is the culprit here and deserves our wrath. However, Andrew in his continual denials and "it was not me" or "I got no money out of this" comments along with his tirades, is not making this easier for himself. He acted as agent, directed where to send money, put CME in contact with Ibi, then washed his hands. Yet the stain remains....

No chance this thread stops unless someone with the authority to stop it stops it...

At the end of the day, who was the operator on the hunt?

Did you agree to that?

To whom did you pay the money?

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Originally posted by lavaca:
At the end of the day, who was the operator on the hunt?

Did you agree to that?

To whom did you pay the money?

I find it hard to believe that Andrew has Ibi's bank details and the undertaking to instruct a client where and when to make payment.

I also find it hard to believe that the client did not finalize the details of the hunt, especially when some additional refinements/modifications had to be made directly with the operator who would have adjusted the schedule and amount to be paid.

I find it hard to believe that there is no written evidence of this transaction between client and operator (Ibi), evidence of which will indicate that Andrew was the promoter/facilitator of this hunt from which he would eventually profit from his services as the freelance guide/PH if the deal went through.

Somehow this shit storm materialized only after Andrew raised a negative remark concerning another popular outfitter and had he not made that error who knows if this saga would have been made public and reached this level.

Just wondering.

Wonder of wonders.

Where is the client?

Not a whisper from him I see??

It is far more instructive in this matter to focus on what Andrew did NOT do.

He did NOT hold himself out as or act as the outfitter’s agent. He learned of an opportunity and publicized it. He was clear that the deal had to be made directly with the outfitter.

He did NOT sign the hunting contract - because he was NOT the outfitter’s agent. The outfitter and client signed the contract.

Andrew did NOT take the client’s deposit - again because he was NOT the outfitter’s agent. The client paid his deposit directly to the outfitter.

Andrew did NOT botch the tender for the concession or bring a lawsuit to undo it. The Zambian government and uncontrollable third parties did that.

Those actions were the prime causes that ruined the client’s hunt.

Andrew did NOT have any access to or control over the client’s deposit. It appears that the outfitter used the deposit - before it had been earned - as working capital for his business.

We have not really discussed this practice in much detail, but many outfitters do it. In this case, the botched tender and the lawsuit proved how risky it can be when things don’t go as planned.

Andrew did NOT fail to refund the client’s deposit after the tender and lawsuit fiasco made the hunt impossible. The outfitter did that.

Andrew did NOT make any money from this disaster and in fact lost income because of it.

Andrew did NOT sit idly by during all of this but tried to get the outfitter to do the right thing.

Unfortunately, given the outfitter’s refusal to do so, there was and is little to nothing that Andrew can do about it.

As has been said repeatedly, the client would seem to be best served by focusing his efforts on recovering his deposit from the outfitter by taking legal action.

Sadly, given the amount at issue and the difficult logistics involved, that may not be cost-effective.

In any case, this thread and wrongly blaming Andrew for this debacle are useless and even counterproductive to those efforts.

I wish the client the best of luck.

All of us can agree that the outfitter has done him wrong and needs to and should repay him in full without any further delay.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Wonder of wonders.

Where is the client?

Not a whisper from him I see??

He responded to you two days ago.

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Originally posted by Cme:

quote:

Originally posted by Kpoynter:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by dogcat:
Michael,
No, a Go Fund Drive is for folks in a jam, not for people who put themselves in a jam by their own actions.
Agree that Baldry never got any money but he directed where it was to be sent and sold the hunt on a concession he would not get access to. Then, when refunds were passed out, did he remotely attempt to get his client paid first?

I won’t restate anything more here. You know my position. You act as an agent then you are accountable.

Yes we do.

Endless, pointless, accusations against a man who never received a penny!

What I like to know is, where is the client in all this discussion?

He has gone totally quiet??

He sees every comment here daily….
The only real recourse is to use the legal system at this point.
Ibi is a lying (and IMO stealing) POS..on that we can all agree
I won’t go into details but let’s say these are far from honest people…
And Andrew….you 100% roped him into this deal (with original good intentions)
You crapped the bed in your handling of it once things went South
And for the thousandth time…no one ever asked or expected Andrew to pay money back…
He was expected to give a shit….be a man…. Admit his mistakes… try to help….
He did none of these things and lied and doubled down.

I’m here and see it all. Saeed your chirping and refusal to listen to the “client” is a disgrace. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge that Andrew marketed and sold this hunt is only helping the thieves. Andrew is posting hunt offers in Outfitters and discounted hunts, by definition doesn’t that make him an agent? How does that not constitute promoting or selling a hunt for financial gain?

Who did you pay the money to?

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Wonder of wonders.

Where is the client?

Not a whisper from him I see??

He responded to you two days ago.

They don't care what the client has to say Lee. In defending Baldry they have decided the best thing to do is attack the client. Of course, they conveniently overlook that this whole sordid affair would have never happened had Baldry not advertised and marketed the hunt and that this whole sordid affair would have never come to light had Corey not become absolutely flustered with Baldry's lack of help in getting a refund and absolutely flummoxed at Baldry's temerity to call out another outfitter for being a crook. The good news is that I think most folks here can easily see themself in Corey's situation and appreciate that Baldry does not have clean hands here. Baldry was in up to his eyeballs all the way until the deal when south, then it was all Corey's problem to sort out.

I repeat.

Who did the client pay the money to!

Let us get to the real question.

. . . the real question, who sold the hunt? But we all know the answer to that questions.

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Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Wonder of wonders.

Where is the client?

Not a whisper from him I see??

He responded to you two days ago.

They don't care what the client has to say Lee. In defending Baldry they have decided the best thing to do is attack the client. Of course, they conveniently overlook that this whole sordid affair would have never happened had Baldry not advertised and marketed the hunt and that this whole sordid affair would have never come to light had Corey not become absolutely flustered with Baldry's lack of help in getting a refund and absolutely flummoxed at Baldry's temerity to call out another outfitter for being a crook. The good news is that I think most folks here can easily see themself in Corey's situation and appreciate that Baldry does not have clean hands here. Baldry was in up to his eyeballs all the way until the deal when south, then it was all Corey's problem to sort out.

What MJines said above!

At the end of the day, I don’t think there was anything Andrew could do. He is a white man in a black country dealing with a corrupt system. Dealing with a black man in a such a country will never end well……

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Cme:

quote:

Originally posted by Kpoynter:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by dogcat:
Michael,
No, a Go Fund Drive is for folks in a jam, not for people who put themselves in a jam by their own actions.
Agree that Baldry never got any money but he directed where it was to be sent and sold the hunt on a concession he would not get access to. Then, when refunds were passed out, did he remotely attempt to get his client paid first?

I won’t restate anything more here. You know my position. You act as an agent then you are accountable.

Yes we do.

Endless, pointless, accusations against a man who never received a penny!

What I like to know is, where is the client in all this discussion?

He has gone totally quiet??

He sees every comment here daily….
The only real recourse is to use the legal system at this point.
Ibi is a lying (and IMO stealing) POS..on that we can all agree
I won’t go into details but let’s say these are far from honest people…
And Andrew….you 100% roped him into this deal (with original good intentions)
You crapped the bed in your handling of it once things went South
And for the thousandth time…no one ever asked or expected Andrew to pay money back…
He was expected to give a shit….be a man…. Admit his mistakes… try to help….
He did none of these things and lied and doubled down.

I’m here and see it all. Saeed your chirping and refusal to listen to the “client” is a disgrace. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge that Andrew marketed and sold this hunt is only helping the thieves. Andrew is posting hunt offers in Outfitters and discounted hunts, by definition doesn’t that make him an agent? How does that not constitute promoting or selling a hunt for financial gain?

Who did you pay the money to?

The man Baldry instructed me to pay.


Again, Baldry was a party to all of this. He was on all email and text communications. He received a copy of the wires every time they were made. It’s easy to sell a hunt in a defunct area and say oh I told you to pay someone else so it’s not my fault.


He used your website as a conduit to sell the hunt. Things went south and Baldry said well all of my other clients got a refund.

I was the biggest hunt on the schedule last year and I didn’t get a refund. Keep defending but that doesn’t change the fact that he sold the hunt and I wouldn’t be out the money if it wasn’t for Baldry.

So, there you have it….

Exactly what some of us have been saying..

Just curious.
If you buy a car at a dealership. The salesman sells you a lemon. Do you go after the salesman or the dealership? To me, I go after the dealership.

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
Just curious.
If you buy a car at a dealership. The salesman sells you a lemon. Do you go after the salesman or the dealership? To me, I go after the dealership.

First stop would be the salesman. Especially when it's found he knew he was selling you a lemon.

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
Just curious.
If you buy a car at a dealership. The salesman sells you a lemon. Do you go after the salesman or the dealership? To me, I go after the dealership.

Even if the salesman knew it was a lemon? He works for the dealership, who is liable. In this case, one party is an independent contractor who marketed a lemon…. Both are liable. And neither will ever pay….

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Originally posted by Cme:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Cme:

quote:

Originally posted by Kpoynter:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by dogcat:
Michael,
No, a Go Fund Drive is for folks in a jam, not for people who put themselves in a jam by their own actions.
Agree that Baldry never got any money but he directed where it was to be sent and sold the hunt on a concession he would not get access to. Then, when refunds were passed out, did he remotely attempt to get his client paid first?

I won’t restate anything more here. You know my position. You act as an agent then you are accountable.

Yes we do.

Endless, pointless, accusations against a man who never received a penny!

What I like to know is, where is the client in all this discussion?

He has gone totally quiet??

He sees every comment here daily….
The only real recourse is to use the legal system at this point.
Ibi is a lying (and IMO stealing) POS..on that we can all agree
I won’t go into details but let’s say these are far from honest people…
And Andrew….you 100% roped him into this deal (with original good intentions)
You crapped the bed in your handling of it once things went South
And for the thousandth time…no one ever asked or expected Andrew to pay money back…
He was expected to give a shit….be a man…. Admit his mistakes… try to help….
He did none of these things and lied and doubled down.

I’m here and see it all. Saeed your chirping and refusal to listen to the “client” is a disgrace. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge that Andrew marketed and sold this hunt is only helping the thieves. Andrew is posting hunt offers in Outfitters and discounted hunts, by definition doesn’t that make him an agent? How does that not constitute promoting or selling a hunt for financial gain?

Who did you pay the money to?

The man Baldry instructed me to pay.


Again, Baldry was a party to all of this. He was on all email and text communications. He received a copy of the wires every time they were made. It’s easy to sell a hunt in a defunct area and say oh I told you to pay someone else so it’s not my fault.


He used your website as a conduit to sell the hunt. Things went south and Baldry said well all of my other clients got a refund.

I was the biggest hunt on the schedule last year and I didn’t get a refund. Keep defending but that doesn’t change the fact that he sold the hunt and I wouldn’t be out the money if it wasn’t for Baldry.

Andrew INSTRUCTED you?

What is Andrews job?

Is he employed by Ibi?

You are beginning to sound like a crooked bankruptcy lawyer!

quote:

Originally posted by dogcat:
So, there you have it….

Exactly what some of us have been saying..

They don’t care about reality
Saeed wants to talk about who got paid the money. A fact that was never disputed
It’s complete obfuscation of the role and responsibility of Andrew
One thing I find odd is folks seem to have trouble with the definition of an agent
They should perhaps lookup the terms “Fraud in the Inducement”
He is guilty of plenty

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Cme:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Cme:

quote:

Originally posted by Kpoynter:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by dogcat:
Michael,
No, a Go Fund Drive is for folks in a jam, not for people who put themselves in a jam by their own actions.
Agree that Baldry never got any money but he directed where it was to be sent and sold the hunt on a concession he would not get access to. Then, when refunds were passed out, did he remotely attempt to get his client paid first?

I won’t restate anything more here. You know my position. You act as an agent then you are accountable.

Yes we do.

Endless, pointless, accusations against a man who never received a penny!

What I like to know is, where is the client in all this discussion?

He has gone totally quiet??

He sees every comment here daily….
The only real recourse is to use the legal system at this point.
Ibi is a lying (and IMO stealing) POS..on that we can all agree
I won’t go into details but let’s say these are far from honest people…
And Andrew….you 100% roped him into this deal (with original good intentions)
You crapped the bed in your handling of it once things went South
And for the thousandth time…no one ever asked or expected Andrew to pay money back…
He was expected to give a shit….be a man…. Admit his mistakes… try to help….
He did none of these things and lied and doubled down.

I’m here and see it all. Saeed your chirping and refusal to listen to the “client” is a disgrace. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge that Andrew marketed and sold this hunt is only helping the thieves. Andrew is posting hunt offers in Outfitters and discounted hunts, by definition doesn’t that make him an agent? How does that not constitute promoting or selling a hunt for financial gain?

Who did you pay the money to?

The man Baldry instructed me to pay.


Again, Baldry was a party to all of this. He was on all email and text communications. He received a copy of the wires every time they were made. It’s easy to sell a hunt in a defunct area and say oh I told you to pay someone else so it’s not my fault.


He used your website as a conduit to sell the hunt. Things went south and Baldry said well all of my other clients got a refund.

I was the biggest hunt on the schedule last year and I didn’t get a refund. Keep defending but that doesn’t change the fact that he sold the hunt and I wouldn’t be out the money if it wasn’t for Baldry.

Andrew INSTRUCTED you?

What is Andrews job?

Is he employed by Ibi?

You are beginning to sound like a crooked bankruptcy lawyer!

He sold me the hunt! You are having trouble grasping that fact. None of the terms were negotiated between myself and Ibi. All terms were negotiated between Andrew and myself. He was the intermediary.

But please, don’t let facts stand in the way of the conjecture that you are providing.

Both men are responsible for this situation and both men are responsible for rectifying it.

Facts be damned. Seems like Saeed is only interested in spooning with Baldry. Saeed loves to trash lawyers but he is like the witness that just cannot help himself . . . he realizes the fallacy of his position during cross examination but is so invested in it, he just has to keep doubling down, all the while looking more and more foolish. The AR equivalent of the Oozlum bird.

I'm not sure of the identity of the client, but I've seen him referred to as Cory. If it's who I think it might be, he knows how things work in Africa.

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
I'm not sure of the identity of the client, but I've seen him referred to as Cory. If it's who I think it might be, he knows how things work in Africa.

It is…

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
Facts be damned. Seems like Saeed is only interested in spooning with Baldry. Saeed loves to trash lawyers but he is like the witness that just cannot help himself . . . he realizes the fallacy of his position during cross examination but is so invested in it, he just has to keep doubling down, all the while looking more and more foolish. The AR equivalent of the Oozlum bird.

The only people who look foolish here are the ones suggesting that someone who did NOT sign the client’s hunting contract and to whom the client did NOT pay the deposit is responsible for refunding it.

Good luck with that anywhere in the world.

quote:

Originally posted by Cme:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Cme:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Cme:

quote:

Originally posted by Kpoynter:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by dogcat:
Michael,
No, a Go Fund Drive is for folks in a jam, not for people who put themselves in a jam by their own actions.
Agree that Baldry never got any money but he directed where it was to be sent and sold the hunt on a concession he would not get access to. Then, when refunds were passed out, did he remotely attempt to get his client paid first?

I won’t restate anything more here. You know my position. You act as an agent then you are accountable.

Yes we do.

Endless, pointless, accusations against a man who never received a penny!

What I like to know is, where is the client in all this discussion?

He has gone totally quiet??

He sees every comment here daily….
The only real recourse is to use the legal system at this point.
Ibi is a lying (and IMO stealing) POS..on that we can all agree
I won’t go into details but let’s say these are far from honest people…
And Andrew….you 100% roped him into this deal (with original good intentions)
You crapped the bed in your handling of it once things went South
And for the thousandth time…no one ever asked or expected Andrew to pay money back…
He was expected to give a shit….be a man…. Admit his mistakes… try to help….
He did none of these things and lied and doubled down.

I’m here and see it all. Saeed your chirping and refusal to listen to the “client” is a disgrace. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge that Andrew marketed and sold this hunt is only helping the thieves. Andrew is posting hunt offers in Outfitters and discounted hunts, by definition doesn’t that make him an agent? How does that not constitute promoting or selling a hunt for financial gain?

Who did you pay the money to?

The man Baldry instructed me to pay.


Again, Baldry was a party to all of this. He was on all email and text communications. He received a copy of the wires every time they were made. It’s easy to sell a hunt in a defunct area and say oh I told you to pay someone else so it’s not my fault.


He used your website as a conduit to sell the hunt. Things went south and Baldry said well all of my other clients got a refund.

I was the biggest hunt on the schedule last year and I didn’t get a refund. Keep defending but that doesn’t change the fact that he sold the hunt and I wouldn’t be out the money if it wasn’t for Baldry.

Andrew INSTRUCTED you?

What is Andrews job?

Is he employed by Ibi?

You are beginning to sound like a crooked bankruptcy lawyer!

He sold me the hunt! You are having trouble grasping that fact. None of the terms were negotiated between myself and Ibi. All terms were negotiated between Andrew and myself. He was the intermediary.

But please, don’t let facts stand in the way of the conjecture that you are providing.

Both men are responsible for this situation and both men are responsible for rectifying it.

Who did you sign the contract with?

Again, you are REALLY beginning to sound like a crooked bankruptcy lawyer!

When you have folks like Lee Hooker, Steve Shull, Jim Cochran, Larry Shores, Todd Williams, Ross Murphy and Joshua Lowe, among others, all seeing the situation similarly . . . I am fine being counted with those gentlemen and feel pretty comfortable with my position. How anyone could suggest that given the facts that Baldry is somehow blameless, or more amazingly, a victim, defies reason. Baldry has a moral and a legal obligation to make the situation right.