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Originally posted by A.Dahlgren:
Maybe if we combine our resources on AR and Africahunting and start a gofundme and 2-300 people chip in with 2-300USD each and we make CME whole atleast? IF CME get any money back later we can do a lottery for a hunting trip or whatever for everyone who chipped in ? Im in for 300 usd

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Originally posted by MJines:
Things to think about. What was and is Ibi's reputation in the hunting community in Zambia? Who would be in the best position to be aware of that reputation, Andrew or Corey? Who picked Ibi's area and Ibi to deal with for the hunt booking? Who negotiated the terms of the hunt with Ibi? Did Andrew ever suggest to Corey that he pay the deposits in installments or use some escrow type arrangement given the operator and/or the concession issues in Zambia? Who was asking Corey to come up with additional money despite the uncertainty over the concession situation in Zambia? As between Corey and Andrew who was in the better position to understand the concession situation in Zambia and the potential for issues? Did Andrew ever raise any red flags regarding the concession situation in Zambia and if so, when?

I am not suggesting that I know the answers to those questions but the questions highlight that you cannot be the seller of the hunt, coordinate all the details on the front end on behalf of the client and simply point the finger at the concession operator when everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Things to think about. What was and is Ibi's reputation in the hunting community in Zambia? Who would be in the best position to be aware of that reputation, Andrew or Corey? Who picked Ibi's area and Ibi to deal with for the hunt booking? Who negotiated the terms of the hunt with Ibi? Did Andrew ever suggest to Corey that he pay the deposits in installments or use some escrow type arrangement given the operator and/or the concession issues in Zambia? Who was asking Corey to come up with additional money despite the uncertainty over the concession situation in Zambia? As between Corey and Andrew who was in the better position to understand the concession situation in Zambia and the potential for issues? Did Andrew ever raise any red flags regarding the concession situation in Zambia and if so, when?

I am not suggesting that I know the answers to those questions but the questions highlight that you cannot be the seller of the hunt, coordinate all the details on the front end on behalf of the client and simply point the finger at the concession operator when everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

You were a lawyer and if I had introduced you to a client am I liable for costs in the event of a loss? Did you pay finders fees or commissions?

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Things to think about. What was and is Ibi's reputation in the hunting community in Zambia? Who would be in the best position to be aware of that reputation, Andrew or Corey? Who picked Ibi's area and Ibi to deal with for the hunt booking? Who negotiated the terms of the hunt with Ibi? Did Andrew ever suggest to Corey that he pay the deposits in installments or use some escrow type arrangement given the operator and/or the concession issues in Zambia? Who was asking Corey to come up with additional money despite the uncertainty over the concession situation in Zambia? As between Corey and Andrew who was in the better position to understand the concession situation in Zambia and the potential for issues? Did Andrew ever raise any red flags regarding the concession situation in Zambia and if so, when?

I am not suggesting that I know the answers to those questions but the questions highlight that you cannot be the seller of the hunt, coordinate all the details on the front end on behalf of the client and simply point the finger at the concession operator when everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

You were a lawyer and if I had introduced you to a client am I liable for costs in the event of a loss? Did you pay finders fees or commissions?

Thank you for making my point for me about how despite the facts you continue to be dismissive of your actual role in the process.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Things to think about. What was and is Ibi's reputation in the hunting community in Zambia? Who would be in the best position to be aware of that reputation, Andrew or Corey? Who picked Ibi's area and Ibi to deal with for the hunt booking? Who negotiated the terms of the hunt with Ibi? Did Andrew ever suggest to Corey that he pay the deposits in installments or use some escrow type arrangement given the operator and/or the concession issues in Zambia? Who was asking Corey to come up with additional money despite the uncertainty over the concession situation in Zambia? As between Corey and Andrew who was in the better position to understand the concession situation in Zambia and the potential for issues? Did Andrew ever raise any red flags regarding the concession situation in Zambia and if so, when?

I am not suggesting that I know the answers to those questions but the questions highlight that you cannot be the seller of the hunt, coordinate all the details on the front end on behalf of the client and simply point the finger at the concession operator when everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

You were a lawyer and if I had introduced you to a client am I liable for costs in the event of a loss? Did you pay finders fees or commissions?

Thank you for making my point for me about how despite the facts you continue to be dismissive of your actual role in the process.

Again,

Ibi is the one who marketed the hunt as only Ibi knows what animals he would have available on quota. The fact that the concession was/may have been under dispute is a different kettle of fish and the availability of this hunt was brought to the attention (advertised if you wish) of AR members by Andrew who has been utilizing quota from Ibi's concession as the allocated PH and as a "reward" though not to be confused with "commission or finder's fee", Andrew would have to put his time and effort into guiding the hunt and be "rewarded" with customary PH fees which is what Andrew as a PH would be aiming for: HUNTING DAYS.

Andrew therefore as many other PHs who channel clients through outfitters who have renowned concessions are actually being "rewarded" with hunting days for which they will be remunerated and any "token of appreciation" from the client.

When though a PH tailors the hunt WITH the client from A-Z the PH is actually acting as the outfitter (with the outfitter's consent) to SELL the hunt as he (PH) deems fit which would foresee hiking the price of the entire hunt so that he (PH) will get his cut, the outfitter his outfitting charges and everyone is happy.
The client only knows the PH as he is the one with whom the deal was concluded, moneys paid to and with whom he will be guided; the outfitter is only known as the owner of the concession while Andrew can be known either by his name or as Royal Kafue or whatever.

A registered AGENT on the other hand works on commission paid by the Outfitter/Concession owner; call him what you wish and the client deals and concludes the transaction with the agent by paying him the lump sum or in Escrow, as the case may be.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Things to think about. What was and is Ibi's reputation in the hunting community in Zambia? Who would be in the best position to be aware of that reputation, Andrew or Corey? Who picked Ibi's area and Ibi to deal with for the hunt booking? Who negotiated the terms of the hunt with Ibi? Did Andrew ever suggest to Corey that he pay the deposits in installments or use some escrow type arrangement given the operator and/or the concession issues in Zambia? Who was asking Corey to come up with additional money despite the uncertainty over the concession situation in Zambia? As between Corey and Andrew who was in the better position to understand the concession situation in Zambia and the potential for issues? Did Andrew ever raise any red flags regarding the concession situation in Zambia and if so, when?

I am not suggesting that I know the answers to those questions but the questions highlight that you cannot be the seller of the hunt, coordinate all the details on the front end on behalf of the client and simply point the finger at the concession operator when everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

You were a lawyer and if I had introduced you to a client am I liable for costs in the event of a loss? Did you pay finders fees or commissions?

Thank you for making my point for me about how despite the facts you continue to be dismissive of your actual role in the process.

Again,

Ibi is the one who marketed the hunt as only Ibi knows what animals he would have available on quota. The fact that the concession was/may have been under dispute is a different kettle of fish and the availability of this hunt was brought to the attention (advertised if you wish) of AR members by Andrew who has been utilizing quota from Ibi's concession as the allocated PH and as a "reward" though not to be confused with "commission or finder's fee", Andrew would have to put his time and effort into guiding the hunt and be "rewarded" with customary PH fees which is what Andrew as a PH would be aiming for: HUNTING DAYS.

Andrew therefore as many other PHs who channel clients through outfitters who have renowned concessions are actually being "rewarded" with hunting days for which they will be remunerated and any "token of appreciation" from the client.

When though a PH tailors the hunt WITH the client from A-Z the PH is actually acting as the outfitter (with the outfitter's consent) to SELL the hunt as he (PH) deems fit which would foresee hiking the price of the entire hunt so that he (PH) will get his cut, the outfitter his outfitting charges and everyone is happy.
The client only knows the PH as he is the one with whom the deal was concluded, moneys paid to and with whom he will be guided; the outfitter is only known as the owner of the concession while Andrew can be known either by his name or as Royal Kafue or whatever.

A registered AGENT on the other hand works on commission paid by the Outfitter/Concession owner; call him what you wish and the client deals and concludes the transaction with the agent by paying him the lump sum or in Escrow, as the case may be.

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Things to think about. What was and is Ibi's reputation in the hunting community in Zambia? Who would be in the best position to be aware of that reputation, Andrew or Corey? Who picked Ibi's area and Ibi to deal with for the hunt booking? Who negotiated the terms of the hunt with Ibi? Did Andrew ever suggest to Corey that he pay the deposits in installments or use some escrow type arrangement given the operator and/or the concession issues in Zambia? Who was asking Corey to come up with additional money despite the uncertainty over the concession situation in Zambia? As between Corey and Andrew who was in the better position to understand the concession situation in Zambia and the potential for issues? Did Andrew ever raise any red flags regarding the concession situation in Zambia and if so, when?

I am not suggesting that I know the answers to those questions but the questions highlight that you cannot be the seller of the hunt, coordinate all the details on the front end on behalf of the client and simply point the finger at the concession operator when everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

You were a lawyer and if I had introduced you to a client am I liable for costs in the event of a loss? Did you pay finders fees or commissions?

Thank you for making my point for me about how despite the facts you continue to be dismissive of your actual role in the process.

Again,

Ibi is the one who marketed the hunt as only Ibi knows what animals he would have available on quota. The fact that the concession was/may have been under dispute is a different kettle of fish and the availability of this hunt was brought to the attention (advertised if you wish) of AR members by Andrew who has been utilizing quota from Ibi's concession as the allocated PH and as a "reward" though not to be confused with "commission or finder's fee", Andrew would have to put his time and effort into guiding the hunt and be "rewarded" with customary PH fees which is what Andrew as a PH would be aiming for: HUNTING DAYS.

Andrew therefore as many other PHs who channel clients through outfitters who have renowned concessions are actually being "rewarded" with hunting days for which they will be remunerated and any "token of appreciation" from the client.

When though a PH tailors the hunt WITH the client from A-Z the PH is actually acting as the outfitter (with the outfitter's consent) to SELL the hunt as he (PH) deems fit which would foresee hiking the price of the entire hunt so that he (PH) will get his cut, the outfitter his outfitting charges and everyone is happy.
The client only knows the PH as he is the one with whom the deal was concluded, moneys paid to and with whom he will be guided; the outfitter is only known as the owner of the concession while Andrew can be known either by his name or as Royal Kafue or whatever.

A registered AGENT on the other hand works on commission paid by the Outfitter/Concession owner; call him what you wish and the client deals and concludes the transaction with the agent by paying him the lump sum or in Escrow, as the case may be.

Please refer to the post by Larry showing that Andrew indeed marketed and sold the hunt on this website. There is a link to the hunt and offer. When I had ideas of hunting elsewhere he sought me out on another website and doubled down on getting me to hunt with Ibi. I was willing to walk away from a 10k deposit and hunt elsewhere. I should have followed my gut.

I have a simple question for Andrew: you made sure refunds took place for other hunters and they were able to book hunts in different locations most being with you. Why did they all get refunded and offered replacement hunts and I wasn’t?

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Originally posted by Kpoynter:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Things to think about. What was and is Ibi's reputation in the hunting community in Zambia? Who would be in the best position to be aware of that reputation, Andrew or Corey? Who picked Ibi's area and Ibi to deal with for the hunt booking? Who negotiated the terms of the hunt with Ibi? Did Andrew ever suggest to Corey that he pay the deposits in installments or use some escrow type arrangement given the operator and/or the concession issues in Zambia? Who was asking Corey to come up with additional money despite the uncertainty over the concession situation in Zambia? As between Corey and Andrew who was in the better position to understand the concession situation in Zambia and the potential for issues? Did Andrew ever raise any red flags regarding the concession situation in Zambia and if so, when?

I am not suggesting that I know the answers to those questions but the questions highlight that you cannot be the seller of the hunt, coordinate all the details on the front end on behalf of the client and simply point the finger at the concession operator when everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

You were a lawyer and if I had introduced you to a client am I liable for costs in the event of a loss? Did you pay finders fees or commissions?

Thank you for making my point for me about how despite the facts you continue to be dismissive of your actual role in the process.

Again,

Ibi is the one who marketed the hunt as only Ibi knows what animals he would have available on quota. The fact that the concession was/may have been under dispute is a different kettle of fish and the availability of this hunt was brought to the attention (advertised if you wish) of AR members by Andrew who has been utilizing quota from Ibi's concession as the allocated PH and as a "reward" though not to be confused with "commission or finder's fee", Andrew would have to put his time and effort into guiding the hunt and be "rewarded" with customary PH fees which is what Andrew as a PH would be aiming for: HUNTING DAYS.

Andrew therefore as many other PHs who channel clients through outfitters who have renowned concessions are actually being "rewarded" with hunting days for which they will be remunerated and any "token of appreciation" from the client.

When though a PH tailors the hunt WITH the client from A-Z the PH is actually acting as the outfitter (with the outfitter's consent) to SELL the hunt as he (PH) deems fit which would foresee hiking the price of the entire hunt so that he (PH) will get his cut, the outfitter his outfitting charges and everyone is happy.
The client only knows the PH as he is the one with whom the deal was concluded, moneys paid to and with whom he will be guided; the outfitter is only known as the owner of the concession while Andrew can be known either by his name or as Royal Kafue or whatever.

A registered AGENT on the other hand works on commission paid by the Outfitter/Concession owner; call him what you wish and the client deals and concludes the transaction with the agent by paying him the lump sum or in Escrow, as the case may be.

Just FYI by your definition and explanation Andrew acted AS the outfitter. Ibi didn’t market this…Andrew did…he “tailored” the hunt and did everything you described up to the point of physical contract with Concession Operator (or in this case lack thereof)

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Things to think about. What was and is Ibi's reputation in the hunting community in Zambia? Who would be in the best position to be aware of that reputation, Andrew or Corey? Who picked Ibi's area and Ibi to deal with for the hunt booking? Who negotiated the terms of the hunt with Ibi? Did Andrew ever suggest to Corey that he pay the deposits in installments or use some escrow type arrangement given the operator and/or the concession issues in Zambia? Who was asking Corey to come up with additional money despite the uncertainty over the concession situation in Zambia? As between Corey and Andrew who was in the better position to understand the concession situation in Zambia and the potential for issues? Did Andrew ever raise any red flags regarding the concession situation in Zambia and if so, when?

I am not suggesting that I know the answers to those questions but the questions highlight that you cannot be the seller of the hunt, coordinate all the details on the front end on behalf of the client and simply point the finger at the concession operator when everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

You were a lawyer and if I had introduced you to a client am I liable for costs in the event of a loss? Did you pay finders fees or commissions?

Thank you for making my point for me about how despite the facts you continue to be dismissive of your actual role in the process.

Again,

Ibi is the one who marketed the hunt as only Ibi knows what animals he would have available on quota. The fact that the concession was/may have been under dispute is a different kettle of fish and the availability of this hunt was brought to the attention (advertised if you wish) of AR members by Andrew who has been utilizing quota from Ibi's concession as the allocated PH and as a "reward" though not to be confused with "commission or finder's fee", Andrew would have to put his time and effort into guiding the hunt and be "rewarded" with customary PH fees which is what Andrew as a PH would be aiming for: HUNTING DAYS.

Andrew therefore as many other PHs who channel clients through outfitters who have renowned concessions are actually being "rewarded" with hunting days for which they will be remunerated and any "token of appreciation" from the client.

When though a PH tailors the hunt WITH the client from A-Z the PH is actually acting as the outfitter (with the outfitter's consent) to SELL the hunt as he (PH) deems fit which would foresee hiking the price of the entire hunt so that he (PH) will get his cut, the outfitter his outfitting charges and everyone is happy.
The client only knows the PH as he is the one with whom the deal was concluded, moneys paid to and with whom he will be guided; the outfitter is only known as the owner of the concession while Andrew can be known either by his name or as Royal Kafue or whatever.

A registered AGENT on the other hand works on commission paid by the Outfitter/Concession owner; call him what you wish and the client deals and concludes the transaction with the agent by paying him the lump sum or in Escrow, as the case may be.

Please refer to the post by Larry showing that Andrew indeed marketed and sold the hunt on this website. There is a link to the hunt and offer. When I had ideas of hunting elsewhere he sought me out on another website and doubled down on getting me to hunt with Ibi. I was willing to walk away from a 10k deposit and hunt elsewhere. I should have followed my gut.

I have a simple question for Andrew: you made sure refunds took place for other hunters and they were able to book hunts in different locations most being with you. Why did they all get refunded and offered replacement hunts and I wasn’t?

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Things to think about. What was and is Ibi's reputation in the hunting community in Zambia? Who would be in the best position to be aware of that reputation, Andrew or Corey? Who picked Ibi's area and Ibi to deal with for the hunt booking? Who negotiated the terms of the hunt with Ibi? Did Andrew ever suggest to Corey that he pay the deposits in installments or use some escrow type arrangement given the operator and/or the concession issues in Zambia? Who was asking Corey to come up with additional money despite the uncertainty over the concession situation in Zambia? As between Corey and Andrew who was in the better position to understand the concession situation in Zambia and the potential for issues? Did Andrew ever raise any red flags regarding the concession situation in Zambia and if so, when?

I am not suggesting that I know the answers to those questions but the questions highlight that you cannot be the seller of the hunt, coordinate all the details on the front end on behalf of the client and simply point the finger at the concession operator when everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

You were a lawyer and if I had introduced you to a client am I liable for costs in the event of a loss? Did you pay finders fees or commissions?

Thank you for making my point for me about how despite the facts you continue to be dismissive of your actual role in the process.

Again,

Ibi is the one who marketed the hunt as only Ibi knows what animals he would have available on quota. The fact that the concession was/may have been under dispute is a different kettle of fish and the availability of this hunt was brought to the attention (advertised if you wish) of AR members by Andrew who has been utilizing quota from Ibi's concession as the allocated PH and as a "reward" though not to be confused with "commission or finder's fee", Andrew would have to put his time and effort into guiding the hunt and be "rewarded" with customary PH fees which is what Andrew as a PH would be aiming for: HUNTING DAYS.

Andrew therefore as many other PHs who channel clients through outfitters who have renowned concessions are actually being "rewarded" with hunting days for which they will be remunerated and any "token of appreciation" from the client.

When though a PH tailors the hunt WITH the client from A-Z the PH is actually acting as the outfitter (with the outfitter's consent) to SELL the hunt as he (PH) deems fit which would foresee hiking the price of the entire hunt so that he (PH) will get his cut, the outfitter his outfitting charges and everyone is happy.
The client only knows the PH as he is the one with whom the deal was concluded, moneys paid to and with whom he will be guided; the outfitter is only known as the owner of the concession while Andrew can be known either by his name or as Royal Kafue or whatever.

A registered AGENT on the other hand works on commission paid by the Outfitter/Concession owner; call him what you wish and the client deals and concludes the transaction with the agent by paying him the lump sum or in Escrow, as the case may be.

Please refer to the post by Larry showing that Andrew indeed marketed and sold the hunt on this website. There is a link to the hunt and offer. When I had ideas of hunting elsewhere he sought me out on another website and doubled down on getting me to hunt with Ibi. I was willing to walk away from a 10k deposit and hunt elsewhere. I should have followed my gut.

I have a simple question for Andrew: you made sure refunds took place for other hunters and they were able to book hunts in different locations most being with you. Why did they all get refunded and offered replacement hunts and I wasn’t?

For those who keep defending Baldry, I would like to know the answer to this....

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Things to think about. What was and is Ibi's reputation in the hunting community in Zambia? Who would be in the best position to be aware of that reputation, Andrew or Corey? Who picked Ibi's area and Ibi to deal with for the hunt booking? Who negotiated the terms of the hunt with Ibi? Did Andrew ever suggest to Corey that he pay the deposits in installments or use some escrow type arrangement given the operator and/or the concession issues in Zambia? Who was asking Corey to come up with additional money despite the uncertainty over the concession situation in Zambia? As between Corey and Andrew who was in the better position to understand the concession situation in Zambia and the potential for issues? Did Andrew ever raise any red flags regarding the concession situation in Zambia and if so, when?

I am not suggesting that I know the answers to those questions but the questions highlight that you cannot be the seller of the hunt, coordinate all the details on the front end on behalf of the client and simply point the finger at the concession operator when everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

You were a lawyer and if I had introduced you to a client am I liable for costs in the event of a loss? Did you pay finders fees or commissions?

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Originally posted by MJines:
I wonder if the Baldry apologists realize that at this point their scratching and clawing for excuses and rationalizations actually cause Baldry more harm than good. I guess not. Carry on.

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Things to think about. What was and is Ibi's reputation in the hunting community in Zambia? Who would be in the best position to be aware of that reputation, Andrew or Corey? Who picked Ibi's area and Ibi to deal with for the hunt booking? Who negotiated the terms of the hunt with Ibi? Did Andrew ever suggest to Corey that he pay the deposits in installments or use some escrow type arrangement given the operator and/or the concession issues in Zambia? Who was asking Corey to come up with additional money despite the uncertainty over the concession situation in Zambia? As between Corey and Andrew who was in the better position to understand the concession situation in Zambia and the potential for issues? Did Andrew ever raise any red flags regarding the concession situation in Zambia and if so, when?

I am not suggesting that I know the answers to those questions but the questions highlight that you cannot be the seller of the hunt, coordinate all the details on the front end on behalf of the client and simply point the finger at the concession operator when everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

You were a lawyer and if I had introduced you to a client am I liable for costs in the event of a loss? Did you pay finders fees or commissions?

Thank you for making my point for me about how despite the facts you continue to be dismissive of your actual role in the process.

Again,

Ibi is the one who marketed the hunt as only Ibi knows what animals he would have available on quota. The fact that the concession was/may have been under dispute is a different kettle of fish and the availability of this hunt was brought to the attention (advertised if you wish) of AR members by Andrew who has been utilizing quota from Ibi's concession as the allocated PH and as a "reward" though not to be confused with "commission or finder's fee", Andrew would have to put his time and effort into guiding the hunt and be "rewarded" with customary PH fees which is what Andrew as a PH would be aiming for: HUNTING DAYS.

Andrew therefore as many other PHs who channel clients through outfitters who have renowned concessions are actually being "rewarded" with hunting days for which they will be remunerated and any "token of appreciation" from the client.

When though a PH tailors the hunt WITH the client from A-Z the PH is actually acting as the outfitter (with the outfitter's consent) to SELL the hunt as he (PH) deems fit which would foresee hiking the price of the entire hunt so that he (PH) will get his cut, the outfitter his outfitting charges and everyone is happy.
The client only knows the PH as he is the one with whom the deal was concluded, moneys paid to and with whom he will be guided; the outfitter is only known as the owner of the concession while Andrew can be known either by his name or as Royal Kafue or whatever.

A registered AGENT on the other hand works on commission paid by the Outfitter/Concession owner; call him what you wish and the client deals and concludes the transaction with the agent by paying him the lump sum or in Escrow, as the case may be.

Please refer to the post by Larry showing that Andrew indeed marketed and sold the hunt on this website. There is a link to the hunt and offer. When I had ideas of hunting elsewhere he sought me out on another website and doubled down on getting me to hunt with Ibi. I was willing to walk away from a 10k deposit and hunt elsewhere. I should have followed my gut.

I have a simple question for Andrew: you made sure refunds took place for other hunters and they were able to book hunts in different locations most being with you. Why did they all get refunded and offered replacement hunts and I wasn’t?

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Originally posted by MJines:
I wonder if the Baldry apologists realize that at this point their scratching and clawing for excuses and rationalizations actually cause Baldry more harm than good. I guess not. Carry on.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . it might be worth your while to go back and reread the posts by Corey (Cme) and Kpoynter, you seem to have a reading comprehension limitation. Saeed would benefit from that exercise as well.

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On 17th March 2022 Cme posted:

"Andrew introduced me to the outfitter and I’m in the process of finalizing my hunt with the outfitter for 2023. Besides the deal on the Buffalo for an additional hunter the outfitter offers great rates on other animals as well. The outfitter has been very easy to work with an very accommodating".

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . it might be worth your while to go back and reread the posts by Corey (Cme) and Kpoynter, you seem to have a reading comprehension limitation. Saeed would benefit from that exercise as well.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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On 17th March 2022 Cme posted:

"Andrew introduced me to the outfitter and I’m in the process of finalizing my hunt with the outfitter for 2023. Besides the deal on the Buffalo for an additional hunter the outfitter offers great rates on other animals as well. The outfitter has been very easy to work with an very accommodating".

These are Cme's own words and very precisely worded; of that there can be no mistake and furthermore confirm that the deal was struck between Cme and Ibi.

Is there any dialogue between Cme and Ibi to support the ongoing character assassination and if there is, why isn't it being shared as it is only one-way traffic?

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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On 17th March 2022 Cme posted:

"Andrew introduced me to the outfitter and I’m in the process of finalizing my hunt with the outfitter for 2023. Besides the deal on the Buffalo for an additional hunter the outfitter offers great rates on other animals as well. The outfitter has been very easy to work with an very accommodating".

These are Cme's own words and very precisely worded; of that there can be no mistake and furthermore confirm that the deal was struck between Cme and Ibi.

Is there any dialogue between Cme and Ibi to support the ongoing character assassination and if there is, why isn't it being shared as it is only one-way traffic?

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Andrew was the agent for Ibi. He advertised, negotiated and sold the hunt. He directed where the money was to go and how it was go..

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . it might be worth your while to go back and reread the posts by Corey (Cme) and Kpoynter . . .

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Andrew was the agent for Ibi. He advertised, negotiated and sold the hunt. He directed where the money was to go and how it was go..

Did he really sell the hunt and instruct where and to whom the money should be paid or is that what you think he did and according to Cme's statement (which I am not going to repeat), your words are in stark contrast to what Cme stated.

If the shit over the concession hit the fan later, that is another issue altogether; it was not Andrew's concession either for him to know of any impediment or injunction or whatever else.

If you have issues in your business would you bring the gory details to the attention of your employees? ... hardly. You would be running it in a normal manner while the problems get ironed out .. No?

"I am glad he got no money out of this, he does not deserve any. If he had, I would like to think he would have refunded to CME".

Firstly the general consensus was that Andrew got a cut from the deal (him being the alleged agent) yet now you say you are glad he got no money but being unsure of yourself also think he just MIGHT have received a kickback.

What does Cme have to say about any communication that has transpired between himself and Ibi with whom he concluded the deal from initial deposit, increments and final since the deal went belly up?

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Andrew was the agent for Ibi. He advertised, negotiated and sold the hunt. He directed where the money was to go and how it was go..

Did he really sell the hunt and instruct where and to whom the money should be paid or is that what you think he did and according to Cme's statement (which I am not going to repeat), your words are in stark contrast to what Cme stated.

If the shit over the concession hit the fan later, that is another issue altogether; it was not Andrew's concession either for him to know of any impediment or injunction or whatever else.

If you have issues in your business would you bring the gory details to the attention of your employees? ... hardly. You would be running it in a normal manner while the problems get ironed out .. No?

"I am glad he got no money out of this, he does not deserve any. If he had, I would like to think he would have refunded to CME".

Firstly the general consensus was that Andrew got a cut from the deal (him being the alleged agent) yet now you say you are glad he got no money but being unsure of yourself also think he just MIGHT have received a kickback.

What does Cme have to say about any communication that has transpired between himself and Ibi with whom he concluded the deal from initial deposit, increments and final since the deal went belly up?

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Originally posted by MJines:
I wonder if the Baldry apologists realize that at this point their scratching and clawing for excuses and rationalizations actually cause Baldry more harm than good. I guess not. Carry on.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:
I wonder if the Baldry apologists realize that at this point their scratching and clawing for excuses and rationalizations actually cause Baldry more harm than good. I guess not. Carry on.

In one simple statement you have divided AR and now introduced the apologist theory and have you not forgotten your follower's accusations of fraud, embezzlement, editing posts, a Ponzi scheme, and all the rest. You have absolutely no idea of the workings of the concessions and the people and politics involved in this country but go ahead and represent Cme pro bono and sue me.

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Originally posted by MJines:
What I know is that Corey is out tens of thousands of dollars and you were doing so little to help him recover that money after selling him the hunt that when you attacked another outfitter for defrauding a client, Corey felt he could no longer sit by silently. And apparently months later, Corey still feels the same way and is still out the lion’s share of his money.

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Originally posted by bcap:

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Originally posted by MJines:
What I know is that Corey is out tens of thousands of dollars and you were doing so little to help him recover that money after selling him the hunt that when you attacked another outfitter for defrauding a client, Corey felt he could no longer sit by silently. And apparently months later, Corey still feels the same way and is still out the lion’s share of his money.

We also know andrew did not receive any of the money from client. I dont care if it was first post last post are one in the middle it was clear client was talking direct to outfitter. So unless there is proof andrew got a payment from client no way to give money back he did not get.

Since everyone thinks andrew is not doing enough lets get some ideas on what he should do more to help. With the key being remember this will not being handled like a problem in the USA or in a courtroom here. This happened in africa.

I guess if client feels the same way and not happy he should be here having his say like he has. All you other guys are just stirring the pot and helping no one at all.

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Originally posted by bcap:

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Originally posted by MJines:
What I know is that Corey is out tens of thousands of dollars and you were doing so little to help him recover that money after selling him the hunt that when you attacked another outfitter for defrauding a client, Corey felt he could no longer sit by silently. And apparently months later, Corey still feels the same way and is still out the lion’s share of his money.

We also know andrew did not receive any of the money from client. I dont care if it was first post last post are one in the middle it was clear client was talking direct to outfitter. So unless there is proof andrew got a payment from client no way to give money back he did not get.

Since everyone thinks andrew is not doing enough lets get some ideas on what he should do more to help. With the key being remember this will not being handled like a problem in the USA or in a courtroom here. This happened in africa.

I guess if client feels the same way and not happy he should be here having his say like he has. All you other guys are just stirring the pot and helping no one at all.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by bcap:

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Originally posted by MJines:
What I know is that Corey is out tens of thousands of dollars and you were doing so little to help him recover that money after selling him the hunt that when you attacked another outfitter for defrauding a client, Corey felt he could no longer sit by silently. And apparently months later, Corey still feels the same way and is still out the lion’s share of his money.

We also know andrew did not receive any of the money from client. I dont care if it was first post last post are one in the middle it was clear client was talking direct to outfitter. So unless there is proof andrew got a payment from client no way to give money back he did not get.

Since everyone thinks andrew is not doing enough lets get some ideas on what he should do more to help. With the key being remember this will not being handled like a problem in the USA or in a courtroom here. This happened in africa.

I guess if client feels the same way and not happy he should be here having his say like he has. All you other guys are just stirring the pot and helping no one at all.

CME has pretty clearly indicated that he is not happy with the efforts to help.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Andrew was the agent for Ibi. He advertised, negotiated and sold the hunt. He directed where the money was to go and how it was go..

Did he really sell the hunt and instruct where and to whom the money should be paid or is that what you think he did and according to Cme's statement (which I am not going to repeat), your words are in stark contrast to what Cme stated.

If the shit over the concession hit the fan later, that is another issue altogether; it was not Andrew's concession either for him to know of any impediment or injunction or whatever else.

If you have issues in your business would you bring the gory details to the attention of your employees? ... hardly. You would be running it in a normal manner while the problems get ironed out .. No?

"I am glad he got no money out of this, he does not deserve any. If he had, I would like to think he would have refunded to CME".

Firstly the general consensus was that Andrew got a cut from the deal (him being the alleged agent) yet now you say you are glad he got no money but being unsure of yourself also think he just MIGHT have received a kickback.

What does Cme have to say about any communication that has transpired between himself and Ibi with whom he concluded the deal from initial deposit, increments and final since the deal went belly up?

Fulvio,

This part of your post is telling. Just reread it to yourself. The rest of us may see it differently, but the words "Sell the Hunt" speak volumes.

"Did he really sell the hunt and instruct where and to whom the money should be paid."