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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
At least, when Bradley learned Ibi did not hold the concession that this hunt was to take place on, Bradley should have done as follows: contacted CME and inform him of that status, tell him not to send payment, and provided direct contact information to CME for Ibi.

The issue/problem is not the laying of daily rates in advance. The problem is continuing to solicit these payments knowing Ibi did not have a right to conduct the hunt as sold.

Bradley ??

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:

Give us the names of outfits you hunted with in Africa!

Those you only paid partly for your hunt until you have finished!
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Originally posted by 470EDDY:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:

Give us the names of outfits you hunted with in Africa!

Those you only paid partly for your hunt until you have finished!
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Now I know you never actually "hunted" in the normal sense of the word.

Shooting unwanted animals on a farm is never "hunting".

Have you ever hunted a wild area in Tanzania or Zimbabwe? YES, AND BOTSWANA, AND MOZAMBIQUE, AND NAMIBIA CONCESSION, NOT RANCH...ON AND ON...

Has anyoen EVER allowed you on the ground without paying 100% of your daily fees?

YES, QUITE OFTEN...PAID UP AT THE END!!

Not your funny crusade against Andrew, or you trying to be an expert on African hunting.

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Originally posted by INTREPID SAFARIS:
Saeed .If I have my facts wrong I DO APPOLIGISE!!! BUt correct me if I am wrong...Mr Baldry out of the blue contacted this poor guy on another hunting forum offering him and selling him a lion hunt THAT OVSIOLEY DID NOT EXIST ? this poor guy that just LOST 80k did not on his own contacted Baldry ...Once again I do apologise if I have it the wrong way around. THIS POOR CLIENT DID NOT KNOW IBBI!!! HE BOOKED A HUNT WITH BALDRY AFTER BALDRY CHASED HIM DOWN. NOW SAEED PLS EXPLAIN TO ME HOW CAN BALDRY NOT BE BLAMED FOR THIS MESS??? YOU SURELEY IS SMARTER THAN This?? OR ARE YOU JUST BLIND ON WHAT BALDRY DID?? You HAVE MADE YOUR OWN FORUM A JOKE... NO WOUNDER THEIR IS NOTHING EXTING ON HERE ANYMORE.

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Originally posted by the Pom:
Statements are being made here which are based on false assumptions. Ibi won the first tender for the concession which was then cancelled by the new Government. He then won the second tender and this was the situation when Andrew was communicating with Corey. While Andrew was away in the bush hunting a business enemy of Ibi brought a court injunction putting the second tender on hold. This was the first that anyone knew that there was a problem.
As neither Corey nor the infamous Ibi have responded to any form of communication from Andrew he is unable to influence Ibi in any way other than as a witness in the ongoing legal investigation.
Continual invective on this forum is a waste of time until the legal process is complete.
Clearly there are those with their own agenda who are out to destroy the reputation of a very fine PH. Some are business rivals, some are friends of Corey, which is fair enough, some are ignoring the facts and a few are just schoolyard bullies.
The sooner this whole sorry affair is settled in court and Corey gets his money back, the better.

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We are pointing the finger at the two who took money,

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by the Pom:
Statements are being made here which are based on false assumptions. Ibi won the first tender for the concession which was then cancelled by the new Government. He then won the second tender and this was the situation when Andrew was communicating with Corey. While Andrew was away in the bush hunting a business enemy of Ibi brought a court injunction putting the second tender on hold. This was the first that anyone knew that there was a problem.
As neither Corey nor the infamous Ibi have responded to any form of communication from Andrew he is unable to influence Ibi in any way other than as a witness in the ongoing legal investigation.
Continual invective on this forum is a waste of time until the legal process is complete.
Clearly there are those with their own agenda who are out to destroy the reputation of a very fine PH. Some are business rivals, some are friends of Corey, which is fair enough, some are ignoring the facts and a few are just schoolyard bullies.
The sooner this whole sorry affair is settled in court and Corey gets his money back, the better.

the Pom - no one is trying to destroy a reputation. We are pointing the finger at the two who took money, did not provide the hunt, then did not refund the money when others were refunded.

That is the point. Baldry acted as agent for Ibi - sold the hunt - directed the money be sent to Ibi- then watched as others got reimbursed and not this client.

Saeed is asking for financial details on other people's hunts. What???? 470, myself and others have been to Africa and know the drill. We make our deals with REPUTABLE people and pay them as agreed, then they provide a hunt as agreed. This did not happen here. Deflecting on how I pay for my hunts or others is smoke.

For the life of me I cannot understand why Saeed and a few others think Baldry is not a culpable here. He bashes Mark Sullivan, Cal Pappas and others over how they hunt buffalo, yet gives a pass to Baldry over this debacle. Double standard for sure.

This forum gets crazier and crazier....

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Only one person got the money.

Ibi!

Andrew never got a penny.

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Only one person got the money.

Ibi!

Andrew never got a penny.

Aren't you forgetting Baldry's other clients who were refunded with the funds which Baldry solicited from Corey after the lack of a concession was public knowledge?

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Only one person got the money.

Ibi!

Andrew never got a penny.

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Only one person got the money.

Ibi!

Andrew never got a penny.

Aren't you forgetting Baldry's other clients who were refunded with the funds which Baldry solicited from Corey after the lack of a concession was public knowledge?

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Only one person got the money.

Ibi!

Andrew never got a penny.

Aren't you forgetting Baldry's other clients who were refunded with the funds which Baldry solicited from Corey after the lack of a concession was public knowledge?

That is pretty huge!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

Nothing to do with Andrew!

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

Nothing to do with Andrew!

Seriously? Statements like that make you seem obtuse Saeed.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
Respectfully Saeed, I think you’re missing the point. They want blood, they want the man ruined. It is the new normal in the Western World. The insignificant masses who hold grudges for the times they were subjects, or the wannabe’s who feel they have an opportunity to take a shot for someone they worship become intoxicated by the mass formation psychosis (for lack of a better term) presented by social media. No realism or logic will prevail, they insinuate or demand something that is unreasonable or impossible, therefore will never happen so their outrage and cause can continue. It is about them, not him or the situation.

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Originally posted by M.Shy:

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
Respectfully Saeed, I think you’re missing the point. They want blood, they want the man ruined. It is the new normal in the Western World. The insignificant masses who hold grudges for the times they were subjects, or the wannabe’s who feel they have an opportunity to take a shot for someone they worship become intoxicated by the mass formation psychosis (for lack of a better term) presented by social media. No realism or logic will prevail, they insinuate or demand something that is unreasonable or impossible, therefore will never happen so their outrage and cause can continue. It is about them, not him or the situation.

Bingo Gibbs
Been saying that, it’s just ruin and destroy and amazingly it comes from conservative hunters to boot and that really baffles me

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Originally posted by dogcat:
Ibi gets no free ride and Baldry deserves a seat right next to him.

Assuming Ibi or Baldry square things with CME, I will be the first to thank them and delete my posts.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I tend to think if Ibi was posting here, he would get blasted. I would be willing to bet that the majority of members here would never knowingly book a hunt with Ibi after this fiasco.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
You’re a black man in a black country. Would you give a shit what a bunch of white guys in the first world have to say about your business practices?? Think about it. Ibi could care less what is posted here or anywhere else. Too many people apparently think their opinion matters in this case….

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Originally posted by Saeed:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jdollar:
You’re a black man in a black country. Would you give a shit what a bunch of white guys in the first world have to say about your business practices?? Think about it. Ibi could care less what is posted here or anywhere else. Too many people apparently think their opinion matters in this case….

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jdollar:
You’re a black man in a black country. Would you give a shit what a bunch of white guys in the first world have to say about your business practices?? Think about it. Ibi could care less what is posted here or anywhere else. Too many people apparently think their opinion matters in this case….

Stop trying to bring logic into this!

“We are Americans and America law applies!”

And of course lawyers have to chime in!

If I was Ibi, and after all the threats against him and his family posted here, with the FBI, US Embassy etc getting involved, I would tell you all to go and do unspeakable things to yourselves![/QUOTE

Shows who is truly honorable and a person of integrity.... so, you would do as Ibi is doing?

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I don’t see anyone saying it’s all Andrew’s problem, but that he does have some responsibility. Morally if not legally.

He may well not have the finances to pay Corey, but he should have known about potential issues and been up front and kept Corey in the loop.

I detect that Corey felt that Andrew did nothing to help him.

Ibi is certainly more to blame, and has the resources to pay back Corey more so than Andrew…

I don’t know how much responsibility lies with Andrew, but in my mind it’s not zero, and it’s certainly less than half. What is the commission on something like this? 10% for an agent? Andrew states he was not an agent or paid a commission- but he was involved in setting it up, and either knew or should have known the issues and communicated with Corey before the further payment was made, again, in my mind.

So I do find the vitriol at Andrew excessive, but he’s not wholly innocent. He just not financially responsible.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . would Ibi have ever gotten a cent from Corey but for the actions and representations of Baldry? You really are starting to come across as a bit obtuse Saeed.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . would Ibi have ever gotten a cent from Corey but for the actions and representations of Baldry? You really are starting to come across as a bit obtuse Saeed.

My father was the chief justice of Dubai.

He ALWAYS told us to NEVER trust a lawyer!