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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
If Baldry were subject to American jurisdiction, the I get paid my ph fees is not dispositive of the agent issue.

You are what you do.

Africa, or not, there is no exist for Joe CME has been treated.

Hopefully Robinson knows that. I can also assure you that if this situation existed in the US, any trial lawyer worth his salt would sue both Baldry and Ibi.

And would win a sizeable judgement. Hence the need for lawyers when people do not deal honestly with one another.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
If Baldry were subject to American jurisdiction, the I get paid my ph fees is not dispositive of the agent issue.

You are what you do.

Africa, or not, there is no exist for Joe CME has been treated.

Hopefully Robinson knows that. I can also assure you that if this situation existed in the US, any trial lawyer worth his salt would sue both Baldry and Ibi.

And would win a sizeable judgement. Hence the need for lawyers when people do not deal honestly with one another.

That might be true but at what cost . If he won, it does not guarantee collection .

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
If Baldry were subject to American jurisdiction, the I get paid my ph fees is not dispositive of the agent issue.

You are what you do.

Africa, or not, there is no exist for Joe CME has been treated.

Hopefully Robinson knows that. I can also assure you that if this situation existed in the US, any trial lawyer worth his salt would sue both Baldry and Ibi.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . once again you miss the point.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
If Baldry were subject to American jurisdiction, the I get paid my ph fees is not dispositive of the agent issue.

You are what you do.

Africa, or not, there is no exist for Joe CME has been treated.

Hopefully Robinson knows that. I can also assure you that if this situation existed in the US, any trial lawyer worth his salt would sue both Baldry and Ibi.

And would win a sizeable judgement. Hence the need for lawyers when people do not deal honestly with one another.

That might be true but at what cost . If he won, it does not guarantee collection .

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Originally posted by MJines:
Collectibility is always an issue but my point was simply that based on the facts presented here, any lawyer not committing malpractice would sue both Baldry and Ibi. We have one person defrauded, Corey, and two individuals that played a direct and material role in relieving the person defrauded of his money. The fact that the payment was made to Ibi is hardly dispositive of Baldry’s culpability.

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Originally posted by MJines:
It makes it better that you and Ibi used Corey’s money to refund others?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
If Baldry were subject to American jurisdiction, the I get paid my ph fees is not dispositive of the agent issue.

You are what you do.

Africa, or not, there is exists no excuse for CME has been treated.

Bakery has misstated at best, he has changed post when confronted. People can do business w him as they see fit.

The easiest misstatement is he stating he did not know CME’s father coming was part of the deal.

The loosing of the concession should have been communicated to CME immediately, and no finds sent until the concession issue resolved. Once, the loss of the concession was not going to be reversed, an immediate refund.

Baldry has said on this thread he would do business w Ibdi again, correct? That is all I need to know.

5 rules folks:

1) Stay away from Zambia. This has happened there or similar more than once since I started paying attention,
2) Use Escrow when conditions are not meet money comes back,
3) It is time for clients to stop signing these ridiculous Adhesion Contracts with no client protection.
4) Deal with a U.S. agent w a history of operation that you can at least get service on.
5) Do lot deal w freelancers.

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Originally posted by ilitshe_zim:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
If Baldry were subject to American jurisdiction, the I get paid my ph fees is not dispositive of the agent issue.

You are what you do.

Africa, or not, there is exists no excuse for CME has been treated.

Bakery has misstated at best, he has changed post when confronted. People can do business w him as they see fit.

The easiest misstatement is he stating he did not know CME’s father coming was part of the deal.

The loosing of the concession should have been communicated to CME immediately, and no finds sent until the concession issue resolved. Once, the loss of the concession was not going to be reversed, an immediate refund.

Baldry has said on this thread he would do business w Ibdi again, correct? That is all I need to know.

5 rules folks:

1) Stay away from Zambia. This has happened there or similar more than once since I started paying attention,
2) Use Escrow when conditions are not meet money comes back,
3) It is time for clients to stop signing these ridiculous Adhesion Contracts with no client protection.
4) Deal with a U.S. agent w a history of operation that you can at least get service on.
5) Do lot deal w freelancers.

I sincereley hope that this does not affect the good guys, like Thor. I've only heard good reports about Thor. He seems like a straight up ethical, morally correct kinda guy.

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1) Stay away from Zambia. This has happened there or similar more than once since I started paying attention,
2) Use Escrow when conditions are not meet money comes back,
3) It is time for clients to stop signing these ridiculous Adhesion Contracts with no client protection.
4) Deal with a U.S. agent w a history of operation that you can at least get service on.
5) Do lot deal w freelancers.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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1) Stay away from Zambia. This has happened there or similar more than once since I started paying attention,
2) Use Escrow when conditions are not meet money comes back,
3) It is time for clients to stop signing these ridiculous Adhesion Contracts with no client protection.
4) Deal with a U.S. agent w a history of operation that you can at least get service on.
5) Do lot deal w freelancers.

You might as well stay home then!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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1) Stay away from Zambia. This has happened there or similar more than once since I started paying attention,
2) Use Escrow when conditions are not meet money comes back,
3) It is time for clients to stop signing these ridiculous Adhesion Contracts with no client protection.
4) Deal with a U.S. agent w a history of operation that you can at least get service on.
5) Do lot deal w freelancers.

You might as well stay home then!

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
If Baldry were subject to American jurisdiction, the I get paid my ph fees is not dispositive of the agent issue.

You are what you do.

Africa, or not, there is no exist for Joe CME has been treated.

Hopefully Robinson knows that. I can also assure you that if this situation existed in the US, any trial lawyer worth his salt would sue both Baldry and Ibi.

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
If Baldry were subject to American jurisdiction, the I get paid my ph fees is not dispositive of the agent issue.

You are what you do.

Africa, or not, there is no exist for Joe CME has been treated.

Hopefully Robinson knows that. I can also assure you that if this situation existed in the US, any trial lawyer worth his salt would sue both Baldry and Ibi.

just for memory where the story happened and to whom CME sent the money?

out ot curiosity how an out of juridiction issue between Ibi and CME will have Andrew convicted aside of the handshake law from texas ...

you guys will never understand that outside of USA life still on and that Andrew never got any dime from that story.

on the side make sure you never recommend online a trip, a restaurant,a garage etc,. in your country because if someone is not having the service they were thinking they should have received you might be liable ...

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
If Baldry were subject to American jurisdiction, the I get paid my ph fees is not dispositive of the agent issue.

You are what you do.

Africa, or not, there is no exist for Joe CME has been treated.

Hopefully Robinson knows that. I can also assure you that if this situation existed in the US, any trial lawyer worth his salt would sue both Baldry and Ibi.

just for memory where the story happened and to whom CME sent the money?

out ot curiosity how an out of juridiction issue between Ibi and CME will have Andrew convicted aside of the handshake law from texas ...

you guys will never understand that outside of USA life still on and that Andrew never got any dime from that story.

on the side make sure you never recommend online a trip, a restaurant,a garage etc,. in your country because if someone is not having the service they were thinking they should have received you might be liable ...

Never forget, that to Americans, American law RULES!

And that LAWYERS HAVE to be involved!

Why do you think they have the worlds most lawyers?

Parasites always live off others!

Blaming Andrew is the only thing they can talk about in this case.

Because they have already made Ibi mad!

And he has discovered an American way to deal with his problem.

He declared BANKRUPT!

An American MAGIC word to avoid paying your creditors!

Bloody hell, even Trump tried it a few times!

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
If Baldry were subject to American jurisdiction, the I get paid my ph fees is not dispositive of the agent issue.

You are what you do.

Africa, or not, there is no exist for Joe CME has been treated.

Hopefully Robinson knows that. I can also assure you that if this situation existed in the US, any trial lawyer worth his salt would sue both Baldry and Ibi.

just for memory where the story happened and to whom CME sent the money?

out ot curiosity how an out of juridiction issue between Ibi and CME will have Andrew convicted aside of the handshake law from texas ...

you guys will never understand that outside of USA life still on and that Andrew never got any dime from that story.

on the side make sure you never recommend online a trip, a restaurant,a garage etc,. in your country because if someone is not having the service they were thinking they should have received you might be liable ...

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Originally posted by Kpoynter:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
If Baldry were subject to American jurisdiction, the I get paid my ph fees is not dispositive of the agent issue.

You are what you do.

Africa, or not, there is no exist for Joe CME has been treated.

Hopefully Robinson knows that. I can also assure you that if this situation existed in the US, any trial lawyer worth his salt would sue both Baldry and Ibi.

just for memory where the story happened and to whom CME sent the money?

out ot curiosity how an out of juridiction issue between Ibi and CME will have Andrew convicted aside of the handshake law from texas ...

you guys will never understand that outside of USA life still on and that Andrew never got any dime from that story.

on the side make sure you never recommend online a trip, a restaurant,a garage etc,. in your country because if someone is not having the service they were thinking they should have received you might be liable ...

I thought we just Annexed you as the poor 51st State to liberate you from Castro?

Amywhoo… you clearly aren’t aware nor have followed the actual facts… Strange…

Go back to being Snowbound 20 hours a day with Vampires or whatever you guys do in Whitehorse wher there’s no Horses

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Gang -

It's fairly obvious that CME won't get his funds back, period.

That said, we as a group, have come together to help MANY PH's that have been injured in the course of their jobs.

In fact, Andrew himself has been very helpful in donating artwork to auction off to help in these endeavors.

So, why not, we as a demographic, come together to help in some manner. As far a just cash, I'm guessing here that CME won't go bankrupt without his 75K. But damn, thats a lot of money to simply walk away from.

So, that said, how about a highly discounted (or donated) hunt of some kind, by one of the outfitters that use AR as a platform to sell all or the majority of their service?

The outfitter who discounts (or donates) the hunt, can then get made whole by the balance of the donations?

I want to be clear, I know CME doesn't want nor has asked for "charity". I don't see this as charity. I see it as conflict resolution.

Before I sold my business, I had become a savant at conflict resolution. Conflict resolution between us and suppliers, between employees, between my business and customers. Making no effort at resolution, only make resentment grow.

Thoughts?

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Gentlemen,

We have collected money before on behalf of professional hunters who got hurt while hunting.

Money they well deserved.

Comparing that to collecting money for a client losing his, is a totally different matter.

This should be taken to GOFUNDME.

Not AR.

It is a very admire gesture, but please do not involve AR in it.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Gentlemen,

We have collected money before on behalf of professional hunters who got hurt while hunting.

Money they well deserved.

Comparing that to collecting money for a client losing his, is a totally different matter.

This should be taken to GOFUNDME.

Not AR.

It is a very admire gesture, but please do not involve AR in it.

Noted and post removed.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Gentlemen,

We have collected money before on behalf of professional hunters who got hurt while hunting.

Money they well deserved.

Comparing that to collecting money for a client losing his, is a totally different matter.

This should be taken to GOFUNDME.

Not AR.

It is a very admire gesture, but please do not involve AR in it.

Noted and post removed.

Why bail out Impanga? They won the tender and Corey bought a Lion Hunt so the contract is still valid and can be sold.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Someone sent me a message that Ibi has declared BANKRUPT!

I’m surprised no one has blamed Andrew for that, too.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Link to the court case

I didn’t read it.

May be someone with brains can do so and explain it to us.

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Originally posted by Kpoynter:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Link to the court case

I didn’t read it.

May be someone with brains can do so and explain it to us.

Not sure why trying to smear someone from something in the past has to do with this ongoing drama?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Kpoynter:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Link to the court case

I didn’t read it.

May be someone with brains can do so and explain it to us.

Not sure why trying to smear someone from something in the past has to do with this ongoing drama?

Not trying to smear anyone.

Haven’t even opened that link because I wouldn’t understand it.

Can a lawyer may be explain it in terms we can understand?

When was it?

What was it for?

What was the judgement?

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Originally posted by Kpoynter:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Kpoynter:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Link to the court case

I didn’t read it.

May be someone with brains can do so and explain it to us.

Not sure why trying to smear someone from something in the past has to do with this ongoing drama?

Not trying to smear anyone.

Haven’t even opened that link because I wouldn’t understand it.

Can a lawyer may be explain it in terms we can understand?

When was it?

What was it for?

What was the judgement?

He can answer, but it stems from 2017 (and prior) and is totally unrelated (way before) to anything here. Something you would appreciate…driven by lawyers lol. He owns half of a very successful small business after having to deal with this from 7 years ago (really longer than that)

Whomever trying to forward (to you) or inject into this isn’t acting in good faith it would seem

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Link to the court case

I didn’t read it.

May be someone with brains can do so and explain it to us.