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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
The whole idea of this thread is to divert attention from Ibi!

No, this thread is doing exactly what was intended.

Exactly!

Put all the blame on Andrew!

No, in my view, Ibi is equally guilty. If Andrew had not edited his original posts you would see that he asked Corey for more money even after he knew he did not have a concession to hunt. I doubt any of that went into Andrew’s pocket, but it must have gone into his other clients’ pockets since they got refunds.

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
The whole idea of this thread is to divert attention from Ibi!

No, this thread is doing exactly what was intended.

Exactly!

Put all the blame on Andrew!

No, in my view, Ibi is equally guilty. If Andrew had not edited his original posts you would see that he asked Corey for more money even after he knew he did not have a concession to hunt. I doubt any of that went into Andrew’s pocket, but it must have gone into his other clients’ pockets since they got refunds.

How do you know that Andrew was aware Ibi was not going to get his concession?

Does Andrew have advance knowledge of what the government was going to do?

This sorry action by the government has happened before.

And all concession holders got theirs back.

Ibi must hav assumed the same would happen!

Obviously he didn’t grease the right hands.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
The whole idea of this thread is to divert attention from Ibi!

No, this thread is doing exactly what was intended.

Exactly!

Put all the blame on Andrew!

No, in my view, Ibi is equally guilty. If Andrew had not edited his original posts you would see that he asked Corey for more money even after he knew he did not have a concession to hunt. I doubt any of that went into Andrew’s pocket, but it must have gone into his other clients’ pockets since they got refunds.

How do you know that Andrew was aware Ibi was not going to get his concession?

Does Andrew have advance knowledge of what the government was going to do?

This sorry action by the government has happened before.

And all concession holders got theirs back.

Ibi must hav assumed the same would happen!

Obviously he didn’t grease the right hands.

Early on in this mess, I believe on one of the other threads, Bladry posted a timeline. Sometime after that, Larry Shores posted the concession award dates. When one reviewed both timelines, it was apparent that the additional funds were requested from Corey by Baldry after it was public knowledge that the concession was not awarded to Ibi. At that point I couldn’t decide if Baldry was in on the fraud, or just incompetent for not knowing what he was selling. It was when he started editing those posts that I decided he was in on the fraud. I could be wrong and maybe he is merely incompetent, but then how do I arrive at that conclusion knowing all his other clients were refunded after Baldry requested and received funds for a hunt on a concession to which he did not have access?

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
The whole idea of this thread is to divert attention from Ibi!

No, this thread is doing exactly what was intended.

Exactly!

Put all the blame on Andrew!

No, in my view, Ibi is equally guilty. If Andrew had not edited his original posts you would see that he asked Corey for more money even after he knew he did not have a concession to hunt. I doubt any of that went into Andrew’s pocket, but it must have gone into his other clients’ pockets since they got refunds.

How do you know that Andrew was aware Ibi was not going to get his concession?

Does Andrew have advance knowledge of what the government was going to do?

This sorry action by the government has happened before.

And all concession holders got theirs back.

Ibi must hav assumed the same would happen!

Obviously he didn’t grease the right hands.

Early on in this mess, I believe on one of the other threads, Bladry posted a timeline. Sometime after that, Larry Shores posted the concession award dates. When one reviewed both timelines, it was apparent that the additional funds were requested from Corey by Baldry after it was public knowledge that the concession was not awarded to Ibi. At that point I couldn’t decide if Baldry was in on the fraud, or just incompetent for not knowing what he was selling. It was when he started editing those posts that I decided he was in on the fraud. I could be wrong and maybe he is merely incompetent, but then how do I arrive at that conclusion knowing all his other clients were refunded after Baldry requested and received funds for a hunt on a concession to which he did not have access?

Ah the truth is out now, is it?

You are ASSUMING that Andrew KNEW Ibi wasn’t getting his concession back!

And because of your WRONG ASSUMPTION, you are blaming him??

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
The whole idea of this thread is to divert attention from Ibi!

No, this thread is doing exactly what was intended.

Exactly!

Put all the blame on Andrew!

No, in my view, Ibi is equally guilty. If Andrew had not edited his original posts you would see that he asked Corey for more money even after he knew he did not have a concession to hunt. I doubt any of that went into Andrew’s pocket, but it must have gone into his other clients’ pockets since they got refunds.

How do you know that Andrew was aware Ibi was not going to get his concession?

Does Andrew have advance knowledge of what the government was going to do?

This sorry action by the government has happened before.

And all concession holders got theirs back.

Ibi must hav assumed the same would happen!

Obviously he didn’t grease the right hands.

Early on in this mess, I believe on one of the other threads, Bladry posted a timeline. Sometime after that, Larry Shores posted the concession award dates. When one reviewed both timelines, it was apparent that the additional funds were requested from Corey by Baldry after it was public knowledge that the concession was not awarded to Ibi. At that point I couldn’t decide if Baldry was in on the fraud, or just incompetent for not knowing what he was selling. It was when he started editing those posts that I decided he was in on the fraud. I could be wrong and maybe he is merely incompetent, but then how do I arrive at that conclusion knowing all his other clients were refunded after Baldry requested and received funds for a hunt on a concession to which he did not have access?

Ah the truth is out now, is it?

You are ASSUMING that Andrew KNEW Ibi wasn’t getting his concession back!

And because of your WRONG ASSUMPTION, you are blaming him??

How did he know to use the fraudulently gained funds to refund his other clients unless he knew they did not have a concession?

I think you are wasting your time Lee. Anyone reading all these threads can get a good picture of what was happening, particularly if you pay attention to what Corey is saying. An example. Corey decides to bring his Dad along since he has never been to Africa and has Parkinson's disease. Schedule is therefore critical. Andrew initially denies that he knew anything about Corey's Dad's situation. Then Corey posts an email exchange with Andrew confirming that Andrew absolutely was aware of the situation with his Dad. Andrew says, oh yeah, I must have forgotten. The one constant has been that Andrew's story has continued to evolve, morph and change as this whole story unfolded. If some folks want to give Andrew a pass, that's their prerogative, but the facts strongly support that he is not some innocent victim.

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
The whole idea of this thread is to divert attention from Ibi!

No, this thread is doing exactly what was intended.

Exactly!

Put all the blame on Andrew!

No, in my view, Ibi is equally guilty. If Andrew had not edited his original posts you would see that he asked Corey for more money even after he knew he did not have a concession to hunt. I doubt any of that went into Andrew’s pocket, but it must have gone into his other clients’ pockets since they got refunds.

How do you know that Andrew was aware Ibi was not going to get his concession?

Does Andrew have advance knowledge of what the government was going to do?

This sorry action by the government has happened before.

And all concession holders got theirs back.

Ibi must hav assumed the same would happen!

Obviously he didn’t grease the right hands.

Early on in this mess, I believe on one of the other threads, Bladry posted a timeline. Sometime after that, Larry Shores posted the concession award dates. When one reviewed both timelines, it was apparent that the additional funds were requested from Corey by Baldry after it was public knowledge that the concession was not awarded to Ibi. At that point I couldn’t decide if Baldry was in on the fraud, or just incompetent for not knowing what he was selling. It was when he started editing those posts that I decided he was in on the fraud. I could be wrong and maybe he is merely incompetent, but then how do I arrive at that conclusion knowing all his other clients were refunded after Baldry requested and received funds for a hunt on a concession to which he did not have access?

Ah the truth is out now, is it?

You are ASSUMING that Andrew KNEW Ibi wasn’t getting his concession back!

And because of your WRONG ASSUMPTION, you are blaming him??

How did he know to use the fraudulently gained funds to refund his other clients unless he knew they did not have a concession?

That was Ibi.

NOT Andrew!

Ibi got the money.

He is the ONLY one responsible to return it!

Andrew did not get a penny!

But some of are demanding he pays it back??!!

And another thing.

The original thread has died.

Because someone decided to kill it by putting the blame on Andrew???!!!

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
The whole idea of this thread is to divert attention from Ibi!

No, this thread is doing exactly what was intended.

Exactly!

Put all the blame on Andrew!

No, in my view, Ibi is equally guilty. If Andrew had not edited his original posts you would see that he asked Corey for more money even after he knew he did not have a concession to hunt. I doubt any of that went into Andrew’s pocket, but it must have gone into his other clients’ pockets since they got refunds.

How do you know that Andrew was aware Ibi was not going to get his concession?

Does Andrew have advance knowledge of what the government was going to do?

This sorry action by the government has happened before.

And all concession holders got theirs back.

Ibi must hav assumed the same would happen!

Obviously he didn’t grease the right hands.

Early on in this mess, I believe on one of the other threads, Bladry posted a timeline. Sometime after that, Larry Shores posted the concession award dates. When one reviewed both timelines, it was apparent that the additional funds were requested from Corey by Baldry after it was public knowledge that the concession was not awarded to Ibi. At that point I couldn’t decide if Baldry was in on the fraud, or just incompetent for not knowing what he was selling. It was when he started editing those posts that I decided he was in on the fraud. I could be wrong and maybe he is merely incompetent, but then how do I arrive at that conclusion knowing all his other clients were refunded after Baldry requested and received funds for a hunt on a concession to which he did not have access?

What you just said is why I believe Baldry is accountable and owes more than an apology for being ignorant. He is a massively big part of this mess.

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
The whole idea of this thread is to divert attention from Ibi!

No, this thread is doing exactly what was intended.

Exactly!

Put all the blame on Andrew!

No, in my view, Ibi is equally guilty. If Andrew had not edited his original posts you would see that he asked Corey for more money even after he knew he did not have a concession to hunt. I doubt any of that went into Andrew’s pocket, but it must have gone into his other clients’ pockets since they got refunds.

How do you know that Andrew was aware Ibi was not going to get his concession?

Does Andrew have advance knowledge of what the government was going to do?

This sorry action by the government has happened before.

And all concession holders got theirs back.

Ibi must hav assumed the same would happen!

Obviously he didn’t grease the right hands.

Early on in this mess, I believe on one of the other threads, Bladry posted a timeline. Sometime after that, Larry Shores posted the concession award dates. When one reviewed both timelines, it was apparent that the additional funds were requested from Corey by Baldry after it was public knowledge that the concession was not awarded to Ibi. At that point I couldn’t decide if Baldry was in on the fraud, or just incompetent for not knowing what he was selling. It was when he started editing those posts that I decided he was in on the fraud. I could be wrong and maybe he is merely incompetent, but then how do I arrive at that conclusion knowing all his other clients were refunded after Baldry requested and received funds for a hunt on a concession to which he did not have access?

What you just said is why I believe Baldry is accountable and owes more than an apology for being ignorant. He is a massively big part of this mess.

And of course you had to start this thread, to put it all squarely on him, so the original thread on Ibi dies off??

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
The whole idea of this thread is to divert attention from Ibi!

No, this thread is doing exactly what was intended.

Exactly!

Put all the blame on Andrew!

No, in my view, Ibi is equally guilty. If Andrew had not edited his original posts you would see that he asked Corey for more money even after he knew he did not have a concession to hunt. I doubt any of that went into Andrew’s pocket, but it must have gone into his other clients’ pockets since they got refunds.

How do you know that Andrew was aware Ibi was not going to get his concession?

Does Andrew have advance knowledge of what the government was going to do?

This sorry action by the government has happened before.

And all concession holders got theirs back.

Ibi must hav assumed the same would happen!

Obviously he didn’t grease the right hands.

Early on in this mess, I believe on one of the other threads, Bladry posted a timeline. Sometime after that, Larry Shores posted the concession award dates. When one reviewed both timelines, it was apparent that the additional funds were requested from Corey by Baldry after it was public knowledge that the concession was not awarded to Ibi. At that point I couldn’t decide if Baldry was in on the fraud, or just incompetent for not knowing what he was selling. It was when he started editing those posts that I decided he was in on the fraud. I could be wrong and maybe he is merely incompetent, but then how do I arrive at that conclusion knowing all his other clients were refunded after Baldry requested and received funds for a hunt on a concession to which he did not have access?

What you just said is why I believe Baldry is accountable and owes more than an apology for being ignorant. He is a massively big part of this mess.

And of course you had to start this thread, to put it all squarely on him, so the original thread on Ibi dies off??

For clarity’s sake, I started this thread, not Dogcat.

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
The whole idea of this thread is to divert attention from Ibi!

No, this thread is doing exactly what was intended.

Exactly!

Put all the blame on Andrew!

No, in my view, Ibi is equally guilty. If Andrew had not edited his original posts you would see that he asked Corey for more money even after he knew he did not have a concession to hunt. I doubt any of that went into Andrew’s pocket, but it must have gone into his other clients’ pockets since they got refunds.

How do you know that Andrew was aware Ibi was not going to get his concession?

Does Andrew have advance knowledge of what the government was going to do?

This sorry action by the government has happened before.

And all concession holders got theirs back.

Ibi must hav assumed the same would happen!

Obviously he didn’t grease the right hands.

Early on in this mess, I believe on one of the other threads, Bladry posted a timeline. Sometime after that, Larry Shores posted the concession award dates. When one reviewed both timelines, it was apparent that the additional funds were requested from Corey by Baldry after it was public knowledge that the concession was not awarded to Ibi. At that point I couldn’t decide if Baldry was in on the fraud, or just incompetent for not knowing what he was selling. It was when he started editing those posts that I decided he was in on the fraud. I could be wrong and maybe he is merely incompetent, but then how do I arrive at that conclusion knowing all his other clients were refunded after Baldry requested and received funds for a hunt on a concession to which he did not have access?

What you just said is why I believe Baldry is accountable and owes more than an apology for being ignorant. He is a massively big part of this mess.

And of course you had to start this thread, to put it all squarely on him, so the original thread on Ibi dies off??

For clarity’s sake, I started this thread, not Dogcat.

Yes.

And he is keeping it alive!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
The whole idea of this thread is to divert attention from Ibi!

No, this thread is doing exactly what was intended.

Exactly!

Put all the blame on Andrew!

No, in my view, Ibi is equally guilty. If Andrew had not edited his original posts you would see that he asked Corey for more money even after he knew he did not have a concession to hunt. I doubt any of that went into Andrew’s pocket, but it must have gone into his other clients’ pockets since they got refunds.

How do you know that Andrew was aware Ibi was not going to get his concession?

Does Andrew have advance knowledge of what the government was going to do?

This sorry action by the government has happened before.

And all concession holders got theirs back.

Ibi must hav assumed the same would happen!

Obviously he didn’t grease the right hands.

Early on in this mess, I believe on one of the other threads, Bladry posted a timeline. Sometime after that, Larry Shores posted the concession award dates. When one reviewed both timelines, it was apparent that the additional funds were requested from Corey by Baldry after it was public knowledge that the concession was not awarded to Ibi. At that point I couldn’t decide if Baldry was in on the fraud, or just incompetent for not knowing what he was selling. It was when he started editing those posts that I decided he was in on the fraud. I could be wrong and maybe he is merely incompetent, but then how do I arrive at that conclusion knowing all his other clients were refunded after Baldry requested and received funds for a hunt on a concession to which he did not have access?

What you just said is why I believe Baldry is accountable and owes more than an apology for being ignorant. He is a massively big part of this mess.

And of course you had to start this thread, to put it all squarely on him, so the original thread on Ibi dies off??

For clarity’s sake, I started this thread, not Dogcat.

Yes.

And he is keeping it alive!

And I plan to unless someone locks it….

CME was cheated and lied to blatantly by the two culprits. Until they settle up, I will keep posting.

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
The whole idea of this thread is to divert attention from Ibi!

No, this thread is doing exactly what was intended.

Exactly!

Put all the blame on Andrew!

No, in my view, Ibi is equally guilty. If Andrew had not edited his original posts you would see that he asked Corey for more money even after he knew he did not have a concession to hunt. I doubt any of that went into Andrew’s pocket, but it must have gone into his other clients’ pockets since they got refunds.

How do you know that Andrew was aware Ibi was not going to get his concession?

Does Andrew have advance knowledge of what the government was going to do?

This sorry action by the government has happened before.

And all concession holders got theirs back.

Ibi must hav assumed the same would happen!

Obviously he didn’t grease the right hands.

Early on in this mess, I believe on one of the other threads, Bladry posted a timeline. Sometime after that, Larry Shores posted the concession award dates. When one reviewed both timelines, it was apparent that the additional funds were requested from Corey by Baldry after it was public knowledge that the concession was not awarded to Ibi. At that point I couldn’t decide if Baldry was in on the fraud, or just incompetent for not knowing what he was selling. It was when he started editing those posts that I decided he was in on the fraud. I could be wrong and maybe he is merely incompetent, but then how do I arrive at that conclusion knowing all his other clients were refunded after Baldry requested and received funds for a hunt on a concession to which he did not have access?

What you just said is why I believe Baldry is accountable and owes more than an apology for being ignorant. He is a massively big part of this mess.

And of course you had to start this thread, to put it all squarely on him, so the original thread on Ibi dies off??

For clarity’s sake, I started this thread, not Dogcat.

Yes.

And he is keeping it alive!

And I plan to unless someone locks it….

CME was cheated and lied to blatantly by the two culprits. Until they settle up, I will keep posting.

I am not going to lock it.

Just remember you are not helping the client get his money back.

Diverting attention from Ibi to Andrew is not going to help.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
The whole idea of this thread is to divert attention from Ibi!

No, this thread is doing exactly what was intended.

Exactly!

Put all the blame on Andrew!

No, in my view, Ibi is equally guilty. If Andrew had not edited his original posts you would see that he asked Corey for more money even after he knew he did not have a concession to hunt. I doubt any of that went into Andrew’s pocket, but it must have gone into his other clients’ pockets since they got refunds.

How do you know that Andrew was aware Ibi was not going to get his concession?

Does Andrew have advance knowledge of what the government was going to do?

This sorry action by the government has happened before.

And all concession holders got theirs back.

Ibi must hav assumed the same would happen!

Obviously he didn’t grease the right hands.

Early on in this mess, I believe on one of the other threads, Bladry posted a timeline. Sometime after that, Larry Shores posted the concession award dates. When one reviewed both timelines, it was apparent that the additional funds were requested from Corey by Baldry after it was public knowledge that the concession was not awarded to Ibi. At that point I couldn’t decide if Baldry was in on the fraud, or just incompetent for not knowing what he was selling. It was when he started editing those posts that I decided he was in on the fraud. I could be wrong and maybe he is merely incompetent, but then how do I arrive at that conclusion knowing all his other clients were refunded after Baldry requested and received funds for a hunt on a concession to which he did not have access?

What you just said is why I believe Baldry is accountable and owes more than an apology for being ignorant. He is a massively big part of this mess.

And of course you had to start this thread, to put it all squarely on him, so the original thread on Ibi dies off??

For clarity’s sake, I started this thread, not Dogcat.

Yes.

And he is keeping it alive!

And I plan to unless someone locks it….

CME was cheated and lied to blatantly by the two culprits. Until they settle up, I will keep posting.

I am not going to lock it.

Just remember you are not helping the client get his money back.

Diverting attention from Ibi to Andrew is not going to help.

there is something else on that thread for the people against Andrew it is not just about money. or whatever they think or thought he should have done ...

Wouldn't it be SPECTACULAR if Andrew would just take CME on a Balls Out, Bang Up, Full Bag safari of a lifetime... with a friend who would take his father's place... and put this behind for CME!!

Then Andrew can do whatever is Right with IBI??!!

I think Andrew owes it to CME since he lite the fire (Agent + PH)... Seems the right thing to do to me!! EH??!!

It would save a lot of legal fees, and maybe some jail time for the perpetrators!!

I have shared some interesting solutions with CME privately, and I hope he is pursuing them!!

I won't post them here as the element of surprise will play a big role!! It surprises me that all of the Lawyers here haven't pronounced these options??!!.... I'm just an ol' retired bean counter with A LOT of International business expereince..... HUMMMMMM!!

GO CORY... PLAY BALL ANDREW!!

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:
Wouldn't it be SPECTACULAR if Andrew would just take CME on a Balls Out, Bang Up, Full Bag safari of a lifetime... with a friend who would take his father's place... and put this behind for CME!!

Then Andrew can do whatever is Right with IBI??!!

I think Andrew owes it to CME since he lite the fire (Agent + PH)... Seems the right thing to do to me!! EH??!!

It would save a lot of legal fees, and maybe some jail time for the perpetrators!!

I have shared some interesting solutions with CME privately, and I hope he is pursuing them!!

I won't post them here as the element of surprise will play a big role!! It surprises me that all of the Lawyers here haven't pronounced these options??!!.... I'm just an ol' retired bean counter with A LOT of International business expereince..... HUMMMMMM!!

GO CORY... PLAY BALL ANDREW!!

What an utterly ridiculous suggestion!

Ibi has the money.

Ibi is responsible for paying it back.

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What an utterly ridiculous suggestion!

Ibi has the money.

Ibi is responsible for paying it back.[/QUOTE]

Without Andrew (AGENT) this whole mess would NOT HAVE HAPPENED!!... He was conduit to IBI and responsible party!!

Andrew should unwind this mess, and he has the position to do so!!... he can collect from IBI!!

To absolve the AGENT, defies all reality... and sets a VERY BAD PRECEDENT for all hunters going forward!!

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:

What an utterly ridiculous suggestion!

Ibi has the money.

Ibi is responsible for paying it back.[/QUOTE]

Without Andrew (AGENT) this whole mess would NOT HAVE HAPPENED!!... He was conduit to IBI and responsible party!!

Andrew should unwind this mess, and he has the position to do so!!... he can collect from IBI!!

To absolve the AGENT, defies all reality... and sets a VERY BAD PRECEDENT for all hunters going forward!![/QUOTE]

Andrew was NOT an AGENT.

He never received a penny.

You all are doing a fantastic job of diverting attention from the real crook in this.

Ibi!

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Andrew was NOT an AGENT.

He never received a penny.

You all are doing a fantastic job of diverting attention from the real crook in this.

Ibi![/QUOTE]

Andrew WAS THE AGENT drawing CME into this frey!! He would have received his paycheck had the hunt come to fruition!!.... and it appears he knew IBI didn't have the concession!!....

Go Figure...

Andrew was in it for his hunt/personal gain, had a vested interest... how could he not be responsible... AND knowing the concession didn't exist??...
If Andrew hadn't lead CME to IBI, would this have happened?? I don't think so??

What am I missing??

My old rule would have also prevailed... never pay more than a 10-25% deposit BEFORE arrival... if more is required or demanded, something stinks!!

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:

Andrew was NOT an AGENT.

He never received a penny.

You all are doing a fantastic job of diverting attention from the real crook in this.

Ibi![/QUOTE]

Andrew WAS THE AGENT drawing CME into this frey!! He would have received his paycheck had the hunt come to fruition!!.... and it appears he knew IBI didn't have the concession!!....

Go Figure...

Andrew was in it for his hunt/personal gain, had a vested interest... how could he not be responsible... AND knowing the concession didn't exist??...
If Andrew hadn't lead CME to IBI, would this have happened?? I don't think so??

What am I missing??

My old rule would have also prevailed... never pay more than a 10-25% deposit BEFORE arrival... if more is required or demanded, something stinks!![/QUOTE]


Pay 10-25% before arrival??

Keep on dreaming!

Saeed,

Agreed! It would be an unusual circumstance where you where not required to pay all the day fees well before the hunt. I can think of only one and on that one you pay cash upon arrival.

Mark

Actually, not only was Andrew acting as agent for IBI, he was also PRINCIPLE as Outfitter and PH for the hunt!!
The PRINCIPLE usually collects for his own business, ie CME's hunt, then he pays the Concession Owner where the hunt was conducted!! Was there a problem here??
Something was stinky here... maybe Andrew didn't have the money to pay the concession owner, and he was demanding payment before conducting the hunt??
Seems to me there is more to this than meets our eyes...
Nevertheless, CME needs to get paid, or get a great FULL BAG HUNT for two hunters!!
End of story!!

The only time I have ever been involved with any discussion regarding concession costs was on my first elephant hunt with John Sharp in the Zimbabwe Forestry Concession north of Hwange Park. I had booked a problem animal control hunt in another area and paid a deposit. Zim closed the export of PAC Ivory!! John said" please be patient, I will work it out." So,in the end, months later, John had a hunter who booked 28 days, and 2 bull permits. He only stayed 20 days and took one elephant. John then converted my hunt to a trophy hunt, using the remaining days by paying the government camp fee, and I had a great hunt. I paid John, he paid OR HAD PAID the government!! I knew the numbers, but I DIDN'T MAKE PAYMENT TO CONCESSION OWNER!!... and I wouldn't have!! John was his own "Agent" and Principle!!

For a month or so, it looked like a bait and switch, I was sick!! But it all worked out for the best!!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:

Andrew was NOT an AGENT.

He never received a penny.

You all are doing a fantastic job of diverting attention from the real crook in this.

Ibi!

Andrew WAS THE AGENT drawing CME into this frey!! He would have received his paycheck had the hunt come to fruition!!.... and it appears he knew IBI didn't have the concession!!....

Go Figure...

Andrew was in it for his hunt/personal gain, had a vested interest... how could he not be responsible... AND knowing the concession didn't exist??...
If Andrew hadn't lead CME to IBI, would this have happened?? I don't think so??

What am I missing??

My old rule would have also prevailed... never pay more than a 10-25% deposit BEFORE arrival... if more is required or demanded, something stinks!![/QUOTE]


Pay 10-25% before arrival??

Keep on dreaming![/QUOTE]

Majority US jurisdiction and fed courts would hold him to be an agent. They should.

There is no excuse for soliciting funds when he and Ibi knew they did not have the concession assuming this is true that is fraud.

I have read nothing here that makes me believe Andrew did not know Ibi had lost the concession, and he still solicited funds.

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Majority US jurisdiction and fed courts would hold him to be an agent. They should.

You might wish to wake up from your sweet dream.

This happened in AFRICA!And I can guarantee you that no outfitter in Africa will let you hunt unless ALL your daily fees are paid in advance!

May be it is time to wake up and see the world for what it is.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Majority US jurisdiction and fed courts would hold him to be an agent. They should.

You might wish to wake up from your sweet dream.

This happened in AFRICA!And I can guarantee you that no outfitter in Africa will let you hunt unless ALL your daily fees are paid in advance!

May be it is time to wake up and see the world for what it is.

Saeed,
You should take your own advice. This is a case of deception and fraud - Baldry acted as an agent knowing a bit of what Ibi had and did not have. Ibi is the bank robber but it appears that Baldry was driving the getaway car.

That is how it is. I am wide awake and see this for what it is.

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Majority US jurisdiction and fed courts would hold him to be an agent. They should.

You might wish to wake up from your sweet dream.

This happened in AFRICA!And I can guarantee you that no outfitter in Africa will let you hunt unless ALL your daily fees are paid in advance!

May be it is time to wake up and see the world for what it is.

Saeed,
You should take your own advice. This is a case of deception and fraud - Baldry acted as an agent knowing a bit of what Ibi had and did not have. Ibi is the bank robber but it appears that Baldry was driving the getaway car.

That is how it is. I am wide awake and see this for what it is.

I don't think we will ever see eye to eye on this.

Still, some of you keeping this thread alive against Andrew is NOT, repeat NOT, going to help.

Why did you kill the original thread where Ibi was the crook?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Majority US jurisdiction and fed courts would hold him to be an agent. They should.

You might wish to wake up from your sweet dream.

This happened in AFRICA!And I can guarantee you that no outfitter in Africa will let you hunt unless ALL your daily fees are paid in advance!

May be it is time to wake up and see the world for what it is.

Saeed,
You should take your own advice. This is a case of deception and fraud - Baldry acted as an agent knowing a bit of what Ibi had and did not have. Ibi is the bank robber but it appears that Baldry was driving the getaway car.

That is how it is. I am wide awake and see this for what it is.

I don't think we will ever see eye to eye on this.

Still, some of you keeping this thread alive against Andrew is NOT, repeat NOT, going to help.

Why did you kill the original thread where Ibi was the crook?

Fees are not to be solicited when the Agent Andrew Bradley knows his principal does not have the the concession to make the transaction possible.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Majority US jurisdiction and fed courts would hold him to be an agent. They should.

You might wish to wake up from your sweet dream.

This happened in AFRICA!And I can guarantee you that no outfitter in Africa will let you hunt unless ALL your daily fees are paid in advance!

May be it is time to wake up and see the world for what it is.

Saeed,
You should take your own advice. This is a case of deception and fraud - Baldry acted as an agent knowing a bit of what Ibi had and did not have. Ibi is the bank robber but it appears that Baldry was driving the getaway car.

That is how it is. I am wide awake and see this for what it is.

I don't think we will ever see eye to eye on this.

Still, some of you keeping this thread alive against Andrew is NOT, repeat NOT, going to help.

Why did you kill the original thread where Ibi was the crook?

Fees are not to be solicited when the Agent Andrew Bradley knows his principal does not have the the concession to make the transaction possible.

Can you find me ONE.

Just ONE complaints against Andrew from those who have hunted with him?

Many of them are members here!

By the way, how many hunts have you been on where you only paid part of the daily fees before you arrived??

I NEVER PAY FULL DAILY RATES IN ADVANCE OF MY ARRIVAL!! Africa or Domestic hunts, or fishing trips!!

I learned my lesson on our first trip to Africa booked by a very close friend!!

The first 2 hunts went well booked with Volker Grellman, Anvo Safaris, Namibia.

The next hunt booked 14 days Dangerous Game to hunt with Norman Deane didn't!! He didn't show up as he took 30 day safari, we were left stranded at the airport, later taken into town by a local hotel van!! The Lataba Ranch govt manager came in and picked us up. A day later Deanesent in his son in to hunt us at Lataba Ranch!!

He couldn't find his way around this little concession without frequent guidance of the trackers, and he was very reckless driving the vehicle. The Govt ranch manager advised he had guided a French hunter to a cow Buffalo on a previous hunt!!....

I hunted out my 2 day deposit against 14 day hunt, and left!! The Govt Ranch Manager entertained us for a couple days and young Deane was sent packing!!... seems old Deane figured that we were half way around the world we would take what we were served!!!

DIDN'T WORK, AND HE NEVER GOT ANOTHER BOOKING BY THAT AGENT, OR THE SEATTLE CHAPTER SCI group again!!

No EXCEPTIONS, I don't pay full daily rates up front to anyone!! If they want my business we reach a mutual and respectful agreement at 25%, never more than 33%... or I don't go!!

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By the way, how many hunts have you been on where you only paid part of the daily fees before you arrived??

That arrangement would be considered a rarity but the balance will however be paid before going to camp.

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:
I NEVER PAY FULL DAILY RATES IN ADVANCE OF MY ARRIVAL!! Africa or Domestic hunts, or fishing trips!!

I learned my lesson on our first trip to Africa booked by a very close friend!!

The first 2 hunts went well booked with Volker Grellman, Anvo Safaris, Namibia.

The next hunt booked 14 days Dangerous Game to hunt with Norman Deane didn't!! He didn't show up as he took 30 day safari, we were left stranded at the airport, later taken into town by a local hotel van!! The Lataba Ranch govt manager came in and picked us up. A day later Deanesent in his son in to hunt us at Lataba Ranch!!

He couldn't find his way around this little concession without frequent guidance of the trackers, and he was very reckless driving the vehicle. The Govt ranch manager advised he had guided a French hunter to a cow Buffalo on a previous hunt!!....

I hunted out my 2 day deposit against 14 day hunt, and left!! The Govt Ranch Manager entertained us for a couple days and young Deane was sent packing!!... seems old Deane figured that we were half way around the world we would take what we were served!!!

DIDN'T WORK, AND HE NEVER GOT ANOTHER BOOKING BY THAT AGENT, OR THE SEATTLE CHAPTER SCI group again!!

No EXCEPTIONS, I don't pay full daily rates up front to anyone!! If they want my business we reach a mutual and respectful agreement at 25%, never more than 33%... or I don't go!!

Bloody hell!

And you have the nerve to tell us how it is done!

Carry on blaming Andrew!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Majority US jurisdiction and fed courts would hold him to be an agent. They should.

You might wish to wake up from your sweet dream.

This happened in AFRICA!And I can guarantee you that no outfitter in Africa will let you hunt unless ALL your daily fees are paid in advance!

May be it is time to wake up and see the world for what it is.

Saeed,
You should take your own advice. This is a case of deception and fraud - Baldry acted as an agent knowing a bit of what Ibi had and did not have. Ibi is the bank robber but it appears that Baldry was driving the getaway car.

That is how it is. I am wide awake and see this for what it is.

I don't think we will ever see eye to eye on this.

Still, some of you keeping this thread alive against Andrew is NOT, repeat NOT, going to help.

Why did you kill the original thread where Ibi was the crook?

Fees are not to be solicited when the Agent Andrew Bradley knows his principal does not have the the concession to make the transaction possible.

Can you find me ONE.

Just ONE complaints against Andrew from those who have hunted with him?

Many of them are members here!

By the way, how many hunts have you been on where you only paid part of the daily fees before you arrived??

YES - I have had private emails with serious complaints about Baldry and how he conducts business. I was asked not to share online. I am sure he has a posse of followers that love him, but there are others that do not. This is not a popularity contest - I have been on hunts with a couple of PH's I would not book a second hunt with, but that does not make them evil or bad. The emails I receieved about Baldry are not indictments of wrong doing, but other issues.

YES- I have had four hunts that I can remember (there are more) where I paid at the end of the hunt. Daily fees paid after the hunt. I often make a deposit on trophy fees. Saeed, you may want to reconsider how you do business. We all don't hunt in TZ where the fees and rates are high due to government rules.

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Majority US jurisdiction and fed courts would hold him to be an agent. They should.

You might wish to wake up from your sweet dream.

This happened in AFRICA!And I can guarantee you that no outfitter in Africa will let you hunt unless ALL your daily fees are paid in advance!

May be it is time to wake up and see the world for what it is.

Saeed,
You should take your own advice. This is a case of deception and fraud - Baldry acted as an agent knowing a bit of what Ibi had and did not have. Ibi is the bank robber but it appears that Baldry was driving the getaway car.

That is how it is. I am wide awake and see this for what it is.

I don't think we will ever see eye to eye on this.

Still, some of you keeping this thread alive against Andrew is NOT, repeat NOT, going to help.

Why did you kill the original thread where Ibi was the crook?

Fees are not to be solicited when the Agent Andrew Bradley knows his principal does not have the the concession to make the transaction possible.

Can you find me ONE.

Just ONE complaints against Andrew from those who have hunted with him?

Many of them are members here!

By the way, how many hunts have you been on where you only paid part of the daily fees before you arrived??

YES - I have had private emails with serious complaints about Baldry and how he conducts business. I was asked not to share online. I am sure he has a posse of followers that love him, but there are others that do not. This is not a popularity contest - I have been on hunts with a couple of PH's I would not book a second hunt with, but that does not make them evil or bad. The emails I receieved about Baldry are not indictments of wrong doing, but other issues.

YES- I have had four hunts that I can remember (there are more) where I paid at the end of the hunt. Daily fees paid after the hunt. I often make a deposit on trophy fees. Saeed, you may want to reconsider how you do business. We all don't hunt in TZ where the fees and rates are high due to government rules.

Why would I have to consider how I hunt?

Every profession hunter I have talked to said every client HAS to pay daily fees in advance.

Difference occurs where both know each other well enough.

I hunt with people I consider as family members.

Trust is never in question.

We agree on something, end of story.

I receive a bill, I pay it immediately.

I go on a hunt, without paying a penny in advance.

But this does not happen with other clients.

I too have good relationships with my guide outfitters!!
I just completed an unsuccessful Alberta Moose hunt, first time with this outfitter. I asked him about payment on arrival, he said we will settle up at the end. I did, he and guide son worked very hard, and I gave them good tips too!!
Some years ago, I booked a Texas bayou Alligator hunt with a booking agent at the famous Denver gunshow. Thankfully, I did my due diligence directly with the Outfitter... this bloke NEVER PAID THE OUTFITTER, or confirmed my hunt dates!! The Outfitter didn't hold me up for his deposit from the Booking Agent, he accepted the responsibility to collect from his agent!! AFTER THE HUNT!!... and we had a great hunt!!

AGAIN GUYS, READ.... I said on ARRIVAL...not after the hunt!! That said, I think experienced outfitters can pretty much gauge the integrity of clients pretty quickly!!I think I can gauge the integrity of the guide/outfitter fairly quickly too!!... I had a tribal guide demand CASH for final payment before a baited bear hunt. Hunt went badly south in a horrendous storm, he left me stranded 3 hours after dark in a blind... thinking I was going to have to walk maybe 10 miles out??!! He was taking other hunters to the airport!! Hunt terminated... he lost his guide license for being more than 30 minutes from any hunter in a bear blind!!

Keep your eyes open guys!! Payment requirements are often BIG SIGNALS!!

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:
I too have good relationships with my guide outfitters!!
I just completed an unsuccessful Alberta Moose hunt, first time with this outfitter. I asked him about payment on arrival, he said we will settle up at the end. I did, he and guide son worked very hard, and I gave them good tips too!!
Some years ago, I booked a Texas bayou Alligator hunt with a booking agent at the famous Denver gunshow. Thankfully, I did my due diligence directly with the Outfitter... this bloke NEVER PAID THE OUTFITTER, or confirmed my hunt dates!! The Outfitter didn't hold me up for his deposit from the Booking Agent, he accepted the responsibility to collect from his agent!! AFTER THE HUNT!!... and we had a great hunt!!

AGAIN GUYS, READ.... I said on ARRIVAL...not after the hunt!! That said, I think experienced outfitters can pretty much gauge the integrity of clients pretty quickly!!I think I can gauge the integrity of the guide/outfitter fairly quickly too!!... I had a tribal guide demand CASH for final payment before a baited bear hunt. Hunt went badly south in a horrendous storm, he left me stranded 3 hours after dark in a blind... thinking I was going to have to walk maybe 10 miles out??!! He was taking other hunters to the airport!! Hunt terminated... he lost his guide license for being more than 30 minutes from any hunter in a bear blind!!

Keep your eyes open guys!! Payment requirements are often BIG SIGNALS!!

Andrew is in Africa.

Give us the names of outfits you hunted with in Africa!

Those you only paid partly for your hunt until you have finished!

At least, when Bradley learned Ibi did not hold the concession that this hunt was to take place on, Bradley should have done as follows: contacted CME and inform him of that status, tell him not to send payment, and provided direct contact information to CME for Ibi.

The issue/problem is not the laying of daily rates in advance. The problem is continuing to solicit these payments knowing Ibi did not have a right to conduct the hunt as sold.

Do you all realize that you’ve been debating this topic for 363 days now? I think everyone should give this thread life for 2 more days then let it die.

Maybe it should be locked after a year and everyone moves on to other topics to debate.

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Originally posted by DLS:
Do you all realize that you’ve been debating this topic for 363 days now? I think everyone should give this thread life for 2 more days then let it die.

Maybe it should be locked after a year and everyone moves on to other topics to debate.

I bet being out $80K gives one a bit different perspective on locking the thread.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
At least, when Bradley learned Ibi did not hold the concession that this hunt was to take place on, Bradley should have done as follows: contacted CME and inform him of that status, tell him not to send payment, and provided direct contact information to CME for Ibi.

The issue/problem is not the laying of daily rates in advance. The problem is continuing to solicit these payments knowing Ibi did not have a right to conduct the hunt as sold.

Bradley ??

The facts in this matter have consistently pointed at the Zambian government and Ibi as the responsible parties.

The effort to blame Andrew has been based not on facts, but only on innuendo and assumptions.

This effort has been misguided, useless and, as we have seen, ultimately counterproductive.

As the latest reports from Zambia indicate, this thread has not done and is not doing the original poster any good.

After the initial $5,000 payment from Ibi, there have been no further payments, only recriminations.

I truly hope the original poster gets a full refund from Ibi, but I have far less hope on that subject than I used to have.