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Put your actions where your mouth is! Hop on a plane and take Andrew to court! Might not have downed on you, In Africa lawyers count for zilch!  | |||
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Cory I sincerely hope you are making some progress and would be interested to learn of the findings of the PGOAZ investigation. Note that the Government was sued over the disruptions of the Tender process and the closed concessions will be open for next season. As a freelance hunter, I am often approached by Operators to help sell their quotas and as an intermediary will communicate with all parties to finalize terms and conditions to everyone's satisfaction. In all the years that Ibi had operated Chanjuzi never was there a red flag and note I was not the only one selling these opportunities. When Ibi offered you installments I presumed he had committed to a refund. The contract you signed with Ibi is binding and would detail deposits and termination clauses. If Chanjuzi opens you have every right to cash in your Lion hunt and while this is a far from satisfactory arrangement it may be plausible. I have never washed my hands of this and have done what I could under the circumstances and my limited area of influence. I have fed our host Saeed with correspondence that I deem confidential and he has every right to form his own opinions. If we could open up a new line of communication then this would be far more constructive than 36 pages of mudslinging. Some here presumed that a social media ruckus would prove dividends but it has not. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Ibi has already told him to FO! So he and his supporters are having a go at Andrew! Is there any reason we are unaware of that Cory isn’t taking legal actions against Ibi? He seems to have very vocal lawyers in his corner! Get on a plane and hop off there to deal with Ibi. | |||
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A wise man once told me that one’s position on any issue depends on what chair they are sitting in. This is very true . I always think about this when trying to understand someone else’s position on something. Keeping this is mind, it seems to me that as a practical matter , once the money was gone, there was little that Andrew could do to solve this matter . Yes, he could make a personal appeal to Ibi. Other than that, nothing could be done as a practical matter. Having said that , I still struggle understanding how some say that Andrew had no involvement. He advertised the hunt right here on AR. If it were not for Andrew , Corey would have never knew Ibi existed . To me the biggest thing is that there was a date when it was 100% clear that this hunt was not going. Yet the guy who sold this hunt did not advise the person he sold the hunt to. I am reminded of a phrase often used in professional liability insurance claims. When did he know or should have known? I doubt Andrew received any money out of this . That is not a statement backed up by fact. I could be wrong. I struggle to understand why law enforcement in both Zambia and the US have not been involved . If this isn’t against the law in Zambia, I never ever need to go to Zambia. I strongly believe this is wire fraud at minimum in the US. I will repeat something I have posted before . People hear what they want to hear. This debate is not changing anyone’s mind nor will it help get CME paid. Make no mistake. CME was absolutely f&@ked in this transaction. | |||
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I used the car salesman reference because I know someone who has that issue. A womans car crapped out, out of state. She went to a dealer, and the salesman sold her a car, that he assured her would pass inspection in her home state. It would not. The dealer would not take it back. Her lawyer is getting the better business office involved to help. at no point, has the salesman been taken to task. He was only selling what the mechanics told him. It looks like a similar issue here, everyone points a finger at someone else. | |||
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I dont think anyone is saying andrew is not part of the whole thing. Just hard to say he should pay back money he never got but someone else did. I have a feeling andrew did all he could to help but how much power does he have over the guy who took the money. Hell seems he had done business with the guy and there was no red flags to tell him to stop hunter from not paying anymore. You all act like the crook and the gov. were telling andrew hey look we are planning on fucking up the tender on this area so watch out. I feel andrew was blindsided as much as the hunter. It sucks all around for all involved. We all know there are plenty of crooks in africa and normally they take plenty of people over. They earn there bad reputation over years. Here we have a Ph andrew were there was no red flags and was doing business as normally done in zambia. Shit went bad that could not be controlled by him. | |||
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. . . just to ensure that this statement does not mysteriously go missing. Mike | |||
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"Sell quotas...intermediary..finalize terms" = Agent for the concession holder. | |||
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Without having to reread 37 pages.... Is there evidence fairgame has not contacted the man who got the money, and tried to get money returned? Unless he has some way of threatening him, I dont see what more could be done, but ask. | |||
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To be fair he almost certainly did some in this regard. How much? One of the problems for CME and Andrew is he was dealing with a corrupt Black dude with a Corrupt Lawyer wife in an African Country which is almost by definition Corrupt. So…White man who had is own unfortunate situations he has had to deal with the above? I wouldn’t wish that on anyone I would however be honest about it up front and this should have been a major RED FLAG He was relying on Andrew to know the risks here as the organizer and facilitator All fun and games till Shi# goes sideways which based on the above could have been more predictable | |||
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Thankyou for the summery, much easier to follow! | |||
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some facts are too hard to grasp for the people having an axe to grind with Andrew ... | |||
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Exactly. But, once you get lawyers involved, there is never an end to it. But, in this instance, they are as helpless as a turtle climbing Mount Everest! I LOVE it! Someone sent me a message that Ibi has declared BANKRUPT! | |||
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Cory clearly got screwed by Ibi. Andrew apparently had some involvement as a middleman, but didn't get any money. I haven't hunted with Andrew but have considered it and he seems like a straightforward guy which is why I took up for him. Those who talk about suing need to consider a little impediment called jurisdiction. Andrew never comes to the US, I've asked to meet him at the shows, but he doesn't come. And Ibi, I've never heard of, so good luck getting jurisdiction in a US court. And better luck collecting against assets outside the US if you somehow got a judgement. Not trying to pick a fight here, but only suggesting that a negotiated solution is the only reasonable solution. Go through the hunting organizations. The Courts are not a likely solution. | |||
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That said, what I just said is not legal advice and I would encourage Cory to consult with counsel who might be able to proceed on his behalf in a US court. | |||
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Bankrupt and he's educating a kid in the USA...... he's playing all the games | |||
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I'm not a bankruptcy lawyer but one might want to consider filing a claim. | |||
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Apparently he isn’t the only one playing the “bankruptcy” game!  | |||
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I’m surprised no one has blamed Andrew for that, too.  Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Just wait for it! Too early for some. Anyway, rumor has it that he discovered claiming bankruptcy is an easy way not to pay your debts! | |||
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Andrew is obviously not responsible for Ibi's actions. Get real here. Andrew is and should be accountable for his own actions which were laid out by CME in an earlier post. CME is likely taking all of the actions an honest and prudent victim should take via the legal process. It is not as straightforward as in the USA. I get it that Saeed does not like or trust lawyers. No one does until you need one and then you try to hire the most meanist and smartest lawyer you can find. Seems that in a perfect world, lawyers would not be needed as all would be honest and do what they say. However, we do not live in a perfect world and lawyers are needed to mediate and represent the clients interest. I guess in Dubai everyone gets along and no one gets cross ways, hence lawyers are not needed. But if I read the Koran correctly, it seems there are provisions for using intermediaries to sort out a disagreement. Further, this a process for restitution that is pretty clear. I see the same in the Bible in Leviticus and other places. Assuming the good people of Zambia are "people of the book", then this should be fairly easy to solve... So, why beat the lawyers? They are representing a client who is paying for the service. I am an engineer and am thankful lawyers are "out there" to help protect from people who will sue for any reason. In this case, Ibi has stolen from CME. Andrew was a facilitator - knowingly or unknowinly - so he is in the mess. Bankrupcty usually does not protect from criminal liability or restitution, so I would think Ibi is NOT protected if he has declared himself insolvent. Again, courts in Zambia will sort that as I suspect CME is not the only victim. | |||
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So why doesn’t the client hire a lawyer and go after Ibi! You lot had a long list of actions for him to take against Ibi and his family! You were all going to embassies, foreign office and God knows what. Nothing ever happened. But having a go at Andrew is just too easy for the illogical minds! HE NEVER GOT A PENNY OUT IF THIS! IBI NEGOTIATED THE TERMS AND HE GOT THE MONEY! | |||
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. . . you must be a little slow on the uptake. Baldry has already said he was acting as Ibi's agent.  Mike | |||
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And Ibi discovered that he can get away with not paying creditors by going bankrupt! | |||
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To state that Andrew has said that he was, or that he actually was, Ibi’s agent, and to claim that he had authority to speak for and bind Ibi to the terms of any deal ignores or twists the facts and is simply false. An intermediary is NOT somehow automatically an agent. If that were the case, then we’d all be agents. Ibi and the client DID communicate directly with each other, precisely because even though Andrew facilitated communications, Andrew did NOT speak for and have authority to bind Ibi. Ibi’s express approval of everything was clearly always necessary. No mystery there - Ibi was the bloody outfitter, NOT Andrew, and Andrew was NOT his agent! Ultimately of course, this was evidenced by the inconvenient truths that it was Ibi, NOT Andrew, who signed the contract and received payment of the deposit. And of course Ibi is the one who did NOT refund the client’s deposit after the deal fell apart because of government ineptitude and third party litigation. Ibi has always had the client’s money, NOT Andrew. Again, it is the Zambian government, third party litigants and most of all Ibi, who have caused the client’s problems. It is beyond Andrew’s control to change or affect ANY of that. Those are the relevant facts, despite all sadly misguided efforts on this thread to make Andrew a scapegoat. And now, to top it all off, we hear that the client's deposit may be tied up in a Zambian bankruptcy proceeding? If worse hasn’t yet come to worst, then I’m afraid to find out what worst may be. As I think we all do, I continue to wish the client the best of luck. He’s going to need it now more than ever in this matter. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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This thread will go on forever. The same 5-6 people on opposite sides of the issue are not going to change their opinions and this likely will never be resolved. Sad state of affairs….  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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The price one pays for so called "democracy"! Enjoy! | |||
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WTF does this have to do with democracy.  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Interesting question if Ibi has sought bankruptcy protection in the US, he has likely submitted to jurisdiction in the US. | |||
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Giving every silly idiot a say! Just like you had a few weeks ago! | |||
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Ibi is in Africa. He could not give a shit what happens in America! | |||
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For example, let us take the last hunt I advertised for Munyamadzi at the operator's request. I initially handled many inquiries and questions and facilitated the dates and pricing. Once all was in order a group chat was arranged and Thor forwarded contracts liabilities and payment details to the clients. A freelance PH is expected to take on much of the organization before the booking. I repeat, unlike agents I do not take commissions or payments other than my daily rate. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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And those rates translate in PH fees for services rendered once the hunt has been concluded and bugger all to do with what the client has paid to the operator. I might add that some shady agents have been known to set (hike) prices so that they can make an extra buck in the process. | |||
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You are a professional hunter, working in Africa, and know it works. Some people in America have no clue about realities in Africa. They think convoluted American rules work all over the world!  | |||
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Saeed, I do not know where your anti-American venom comes from. Just because we value our democracy and even lawyers does not make it evil or bad or even worthy of your ridicule. Usually when someone criticizes another race/culture/way of life/religion, it is to make themselves look better or superior or whatever.. You have nothing to prove and nothing to gain by your blasting of our system of justice, our politics or our democratic practices. You make yourself look small and jealous for no gain. Our system is flawed however it works and usually sorts itself out. We could have gone the route of Assad or Putin or any other dictator but chose not to over 250 years ago. We have no king, no ruler without the consent of the people. You are 100% correct in saying our "convoluted American rules" do not work world wide. The reason is that our culture has a different foundation than yours or Turkey or Russia or Papua New Guinea. We value the rule of law above all else in civil matters. Our system was based on a European view with our unique "tweeks". You do and allow what fits in Dubai. Your culture would get crushed here as you have no say in who rules. You are bound by rules of religion that you willingly submit to. We are different. I notice that the Emirates do not have an immigration issue - people are not so quick to want to live there. Canada, the USA, parts of Europe are free and people want to be here. The issue for us is - follow the rule of law to get here. Come here by the rules, not by bribes or illegally outside our system. Agreed, it is flawed but it works for us. So, back to Ibi and Baldry. There are actions being taken that are not published here for reasons that I cannot share. Be assured, every avenue to get this sorted is being used... legally and by the law of Zambia and other places. You are correct in saying "some people in America have no clue about realities in Africa". I believe it is also correct that some people outside America have not clue about the realities of America. Your assumptions may need validation - about our processes, our legal system and general views on how business is conducted. Here, especially in Texas, a verbal contract is binding. CME is from and lives in Texas, hence, anything Baldry or Ibi told him in words or writing is viewed as legally binding here. The angst I struggle with is that the integrity of Baldry and Ibi is in question by their demonstrated actions. I do not know how this is veiwed in Zambia, but here, integriy is seriously important and binding. CME is pursuing every avenue that is legally available. I think Baldry and Ibi are aware and we will all see how this ends up. At the end of it - when CME gets his money back, this goes away and people will know what they are actually dealing with when doing business in Zambia and some other places. My three biggest hunting issues (monetarily) have occurred in Zambia. My worst experience with a PH occurred in Zambia ( Hartley Combrink). I hope this long and involved thread gives others a heads up when dealing outside "their norm". Know the drill, know the rules, know the downside and hopefully this does not happen to someone else. | |||
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Oh bloody hell! What a lecture! I am almost going to bet that Ibi will NEVER pay back the money he owes! You all have gone overboard by threatening him with every conceivable method. Him and all his family. Then he turned around and said FO! Notice that he hasn’t paid anything after the initial $5,000? Oh, and just to bring you up to date about immigrants here. Our population is about 85% IMMIGRANTS! LEGAL IMMIGRANTS! We don’t have so called “democracy” And I hope we never do, if yours is an example! Not sure what your job is, but you will do well to join one of the famous universities and be a lecturer! | |||
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your last sentence make more sense after reading the love letter from dogcat ... | |||
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If Baldry were subject to American jurisdiction, the I get paid my ph fees is not dispositive of the agent issue. You are what you do. Africa, or not, there is exists no excuse for CME has been treated. Bakery has misstated at best, he has changed post when confronted. People can do business w him as they see fit. The easiest misstatement is he stating he did not know CME’s father coming was part of the deal. The loosing of the concession should have been communicated to CME immediately, and no finds sent until the concession issue resolved. Once, the loss of the concession was not going to be reversed, an immediate refund. Baldry has said on this thread he would do business w Ibdi again, correct? That is all I need to know. 5 rules folks: 1) Stay away from Zambia. This has happened there or similar more than once since I started paying attention, 2) Use Escrow when conditions are not meet money comes back, 3) It is time for clients to stop signing these ridiculous Adhesion Contracts with no client protection. 4) Deal with a U.S. agent w a history of operation that you can at least get service on. 5) Do not deal w freelancers. | |||
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Hopefully Robinson knows that. I can also assure you that if this situation existed in the US, any trial lawyer worth his salt would sue both Baldry and Ibi. Mike | |||
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And would win a sizeable judgement. Hence the need for lawyers when people do not deal honestly with one another. | |||
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