. . . you had your hunt. You missed. Then quit.

. . . deflect, distract and obfuscate.

Okay, I'll take $10,000 if you promise not to declare bankruptcy.

. . . deflect, distract and obfuscate.

I know a guy who hunted right after you in that concession.

Yes hard hunting. He got one shot and killed a great mature bull.

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
I followed this thread off and on with limited interest.
I only shook my head at one thing.
when Corey, cme or whoever, said he knows lots of great people who went bankrupt, himself included.
I was on the loss end of a maple syrup distributer who went bankrupt. I never even recovered my expensive stainless drums.
Anyone who brags about going bankrupt, can kiss my ass.

Exactly!

Now to Buzz.

Frankly, I have NEVER seen such childish behavior EVER, before or since.

He started charging NON REFUNDABLE trophy fees.

I mentioned that it was not something I would not accept.

Then he blanked his clients faces, because ONE objected to showing his.

I mentioned that only bloody cowards hunt and proudly display the animals they shoot, with them there next to them with their faces covered!

He got his knickers in the twist, and put the blame on all AR members for pointing his utter stupidity out!

He might be a successful professional hunter.

But as an individual, I have one big fat ZERO respect for him.


He also lied about paying for one of his clients!

Andrew on the other hand, has absolutely no guilt regarding this sad subject we are discussing!

I would love to see the people Corey happily robbed 542,000 dollars come here and tell us what they feel!

We have certain individuals here supporting what seems certain sectors of society who make a habit of declaring bankruptcy on their way up to be being SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEURS!


How sick is that!

. . . deflect, distract and obfuscate.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . deflect, distract and obfuscate.

Not really.

Someone brought Buzz into it.

Someone said he HATES criminals that declare bankruptcy!

Both are under discussion here.

Might be able to put all this to rest.

1. You hop on a plane, with Corey in tow, and fly to Zambia and deck it out in court against Ibi and his lawyer wife.

2. Corey tells us his secret of business practices of how to rob Americans of 542,000 dollars, and get away with it!

While he is happily cheering you calling Ibi a crook!!


Amazing how bringing out the truth shuts up a lawyer!

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
I know a guy who hunted right after you in that concession.

Yes hard hunting. He got one shot and killed a great mature bull.

Good for him.

Even poachers take an occasional day off.

. . . deflect, distract and obfuscate. And y’all think that in some some way you are helping Baldry.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . deflect, distract and obfuscate. And y’all think that in some some way you are helping Baldry.

And you misguided lot, think are helping a VERY SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEUR, who makes a habit of declaring bankruptcy to further his hunting aspirations!

542,000 ROBBED of innocent Americans!

They actually should be cheering Ibi!

He managed to get 75,000 of that to enjoy himself!

There is a sum of 467,000 still unaccounted for!

Corey.

How much did you pay the crooked lawyer who helped you rob 542,000 dollars off innocent people??

Can we have his name please?

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . deflect, distract and obfuscate. And y’all think that in some some way you are helping Baldry.

This is hard to believe from some of you.

I agree with you, Mike....

When in doubt, yell louder...

No, he was bragging about coming back from bankruptcy and paying for an 80 grand safari.
If he did it after making good to everyone who got screwed over I'll say good on you.
If they, like I, just got the finger out of it, than I have no sympathy.

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
No, he was bragging about coming back from bankruptcy and paying for an 80 grand safari.
If he did it after making good to everyone who got screwed over I'll say good on you.
If they, like I, just got the finger out of it, than I have no sympathy.

Yes.

But you are not a crooked LAWYER!

You know, one of those ambulance chasers who specialize in helping crooks rob innocent people of their money!

.

Saeed, I have kept out of this whole thread so far however your repeated comments on Corey's bankruptcy and how it never happens in Dubai et cetera seem somewhat overly naive IMO.

If my memory serves me correctly, in the early years of my banking career the late 1980's and early in the 1990's, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International went into bankruptcy following a massive global scandal and fraud case, including running accounts for Saddam Hussein, Noriega, Doe and others and money laundering on an unprecedented scale. Billions and billions of dollars were lost and staff made redundant in their 400 offices around the world.

The majority owner of the bank was none other than Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, who was the founding father of the UAE and a most prominent figure in Abu Dhabi and Dubai and the leader of the trucial States. A significant amount of the money in that bank was funded out of the Dubai royal families, who were very happy to see BCCI go into bankruptcy rather than pay the fines, pick up the pieces and put more money in to resolve the problem. I am sure that this was not the only case of fraud and bankruptcy emanating out of the Emirates.

So maybe Corey did declare bankruptcy, the facts of which I know nothing about and hence refrain from any comment on it, but please don't make him and the USA out to be the bad guys in this thread and paint the UAE and in particular Dubai as a 'holier than thou' geography in all things legal and financial because Saeed, it is not.

I read this as Ibi using Corey's deposit(s) not as deposits - putting them aside until the hunt takes place - but rather to fund his day to day life and then also to repay some of the small creditors at Corey's very costly expense.

Corey got screwed over and Ibi doesn't seem to care two hoots. Tell's you what kind of person Ibi is.


.

quote:

Corey got screwed over and Ibi doesn't seem to care two hoots. Tell's you what kind of person Ibi is.

Both Ibi and Corey are two pease from the same pod!

At least Ibi screwed a crook.

I wonder who the people Corey screwed out of 542,000 dollars??


Where they crooks too?

Deserving what they got?

Or innocents??

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Corey got screwed over and Ibi doesn't seem to care two hoots. Tell's you what kind of person Ibi is.

Both Ibi and Corey are two pease from the same pod!

At least Ibi screwed a crook.

I wonder who the people Corey screwed out of 542,000 dollars??


Where they crooks too?

Deserving what they got?

Or innocents??

More great examples of how this site has been ruined basically
Countless people have been turned off and run off by this behavior
I realize you could care less but it’s honestly sad
You have degraded this to a shadow of what it was 10-15 years ago

quote:

Originally posted by Kpoynter:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Corey got screwed over and Ibi doesn't seem to care two hoots. Tell's you what kind of person Ibi is.

Both Ibi and Corey are two pease from the same pod!

At least Ibi screwed a crook.

I wonder who the people Corey screwed out of 542,000 dollars??


Where they crooks too?

Deserving what they got?

Or innocents??

More great examples of how this site has been ruined basically
Countless people have been turned off and run off by this behavior
I realize you could care less but it’s honestly sad
You have degraded this to a shadow of what it was 10-15 years ago

Why don’t you and dogcat start your own website and run it as you please?

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . deflect, distract and obfuscate. And y’all think that in some some way you are helping Baldry.

I do not need help. Your lot hanged me when I called Buzz out for an unfair comment on his Christmas message and in my opinion that is not professionalism. Remember you redirected the Sam Farrow thread who also claimed bankruptcy. I tried everything in my power to make this right and attach some correspondence below for your consideration and I continue to explore solutions to see the refund of Corey's money.

. . . it was your client who called you out for your role in the debacle. Your client, who had grown tired of you doing little to nothing to get him a refund. Your client, who could simply not stand your duplicity for calling out another outfitter for conduct similar to yours and Ibi's. You need to go back and re-read Kpoynter's post from a couple of days ago if you want to put this debacle into context.

Andrew.

A word of advice.

Employ an American lawyer and declare bankruptcy!

You will then join the hordes of SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEURS instead of being blamed for taking money you never did!

quote:

Originally posted by Charlie64:
.

Saeed, I have kept out of this whole thread so far however your repeated comments on Corey's bankruptcy and how it never happens in Dubai et cetera seem somewhat overly naive IMO.

If my memory serves me correctly, in the early years of my banking career the late 1980's and 1990's , the Bank of Credit and Commerce International went into bankruptcy following a massive global scandal and fraud case, including running accounts for Saddam Hussein, Noriega, Doe and others and money laundering on an unprecedented scale. Billions and billions of dollars were lost and staff made redundant in their 400 offices around the world.

The majority owner of the bank was none other than Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, who was the founding father of the UAE and a most prominent figure in Abu Dhabi and Dubai and the leader of the trucial States. A significant amount of the money in that bank was funded out of the Dubai royal families, who were very happy to see BCCI go into bankruptcy rather than pay the fines, pick up the pieces and put more money in to resolve the problem. I am sure that this was not the only case of fraud and bankruptcy emanating out of the Emirates.

So maybe Corey did declare bankruptcy, the facts of which I know nothing about and hence refrain from any comment on it, but please don't make him and the USA out to be the bad guys in this thread and paint the UAE and in particular Dubai as a 'holier than thou' geography in all things legal and financial because Saeed, it is not.

I read this as Ibi using Corey's deposit(s) not as deposits - putting them aside until the hunt takes place - but rather to fund his day to day life and then also to repay some of the small creditors at Corey's very costly expense.

Corey got screwed over and Ibi doesn't seem to care two hoots. Tell's you what kind of person Ibi is.


.

Leave facts out of this!

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . it was your client who called you out for your role in the debacle. Your client, who had grown tired of you doing little to nothing to get him a refund. Your client, who could simply not stand your duplicity for calling out another outfitter for conduct similar to yours and Ibi's. You need to go back and re-read Kpoynter's post from a couple of days ago if you want to put this debacle into context.

Who the fuck are you two to tell me what and what I have not done? These malicious threads have retarded any effort to get Corey's money back and you played a major part in that.

. . . you seem to be incapable of grasping, it was your lack of any effort to get Corey's money back that played a major part in starting these threads. Please continue . . . deflect, distract and obfuscate.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . you apparently conveniently forgot, it was your lack of any effort to get Corey's money back that played a major part in starting these threads. Please continue . . . deflect, distract and obfuscate.

in africa they are using a very strong phrase you should think about:

les chiens aboient la caravane passe
this is the english translation:
the dogs bark the caravan passes by.

think about it and what your noise did ....

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . you seem to be incapable of grasping, it was your lack of any effort to get Corey's money back that played a major part in starting these threads. Please continue . . . deflect, distract and obfuscate.

So you know what andrew try to do to get a refund for cme or your just guessing like everyone else who knows nothing on what he did or not.

What options did he not use or try to get refund. You are one of those who just thinks they know all when you have no clue just like the rest of us. Let me guesss cme told you because he was in zambia watching andrew and saw first hand he did nothing.

I do believe by your logic since the guy who got the money may have filed for bankruptcy he is ok now to since that is the legal way out of paying back a debt

quote:

Originally posted by Bull Sprig:

quote:

Originally posted by Charlie64:
.

Saeed, I have kept out of this whole thread so far however your repeated comments on Corey's bankruptcy and how it never happens in Dubai et cetera seem somewhat overly naive IMO.

If my memory serves me correctly, in the early years of my banking career the late 1980's and 1990's , the Bank of Credit and Commerce International went into bankruptcy following a massive global scandal and fraud case, including running accounts for Saddam Hussein, Noriega, Doe and others and money laundering on an unprecedented scale. Billions and billions of dollars were lost and staff made redundant in their 400 offices around the world.

The majority owner of the bank was none other than Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, who was the founding father of the UAE and a most prominent figure in Abu Dhabi and Dubai and the leader of the trucial States. A significant amount of the money in that bank was funded out of the Dubai royal families, who were very happy to see BCCI go into bankruptcy rather than pay the fines, pick up the pieces and put more money in to resolve the problem. I am sure that this was not the only case of fraud and bankruptcy emanating out of the Emirates.

So maybe Corey did declare bankruptcy, the facts of which I know nothing about and hence refrain from any comment on it, but please don't make him and the USA out to be the bad guys in this thread and paint the UAE and in particular Dubai as a 'holier than thou' geography in all things legal and financial because Saeed, it is not.

I read this as Ibi using Corey's deposit(s) not as deposits - putting them aside until the hunt takes place - but rather to fund his day to day life and then also to repay some of the small creditors at Corey's very costly expense.

Corey got screwed over and Ibi doesn't seem to care two hoots. Tell's you what kind of person Ibi is.


.

Leave facts out of this!

quote:

Originally posted by Charlie64:
.

Saeed, I have kept out of this whole thread so far however your repeated comments on Corey's bankruptcy and how it never happens in Dubai et cetera seem somewhat overly naive IMO.

If my memory serves me correctly, in the early years of my banking career the late 1980's and 1990's , the Bank of Credit and Commerce International went into bankruptcy following a massive global scandal and fraud case, including running accounts for Saddam Hussein, Noriega, Doe and others and money laundering on an unprecedented scale. Billions and billions of dollars were lost and staff made redundant in their 400 offices around the world.

The majority owner of the bank was none other than Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, who was the founding father of the UAE and a most prominent figure in Abu Dhabi and Dubai and the leader of the trucial States. A significant amount of the money in that bank was funded out of the Dubai royal families, who were very happy to see BCCI go into bankruptcy rather than pay the fines, pick up the pieces and put more money in to resolve the problem. I am sure that this was not the only case of fraud and bankruptcy emanating out of the Emirates.

So maybe Corey did declare bankruptcy, the facts of which I know nothing about and hence refrain from any comment on it, but please don't make him and the USA out to be the bad guys in this thread and paint the UAE and in particular Dubai as a 'holier than thou' geography in all things legal and financial because Saeed, it is not.

I read this as Ibi using Corey's deposit(s) not as deposits - putting them aside until the hunt takes place - but rather to fund his day to day life and then also to repay some of the small creditors at Corey's very costly expense.

Corey got screwed over and Ibi doesn't seem to care two hoots. Tell's you what kind of person Ibi is.


.

Don’t interrupt Saeed’s nonsensical rant with inconvenient facts. It’s embarrassing- for him…

Charlie, with all due respect, that was a business bankruptcy.

Not a personal, human being, FTF bankruptcy.

In business, investors make moves and take risks. Sometimes smart ones; sometimes not.

Upsides can be huge.

Total failures are not uncommon.

Today’s chief of state can be tomorrow’s overthrown refugee.

Or even end up dead.

That is business and even worse business polluted with politics.

Personal, human to human, dealings are different, at least to me.

If I shake your hand, even digitally, and promise to pay you a sum of money, I will pay you.

You can take that to your bank or any other!

In this case, the outfitter signed a contract, took the client’s money and promised to provide a service.

He did not provide the service.

So, he, and no one else, including Andrew, owes the client a refund.

Pretty clear to me.

But I am just a humble country lawyer and have a hard time keeping up with big city types.

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . it was your client who called you out for your role in the debacle. Your client, who had grown tired of you doing little to nothing to get him a refund. Your client, who could simply not stand your duplicity for calling out another outfitter for conduct similar to yours and Ibi's. You need to go back and re-read Kpoynter's post from a couple of days ago if you want to put this debacle into context.

Who the fuck are you two to tell me what and what I have not done? These malicious threads have retarded any effort to get Corey's money back and you played a major part in that.

So none of your actions caused this? The posters on AR are the ones to blame?

Lee, Lee, Lee, it is simple. This was Zambia’s fault. Wait, no maybe it was Ibi’s fault. Er, I mean it was really Corey’s own fault. Whoops, I slipped, it was the fault of folks on AR that posted about it. Truth is, it was the fault of the US and vermin lawyers. Seriously, it was anyone’s fault but the man that marketed and sold the hunt. He’s a victim. Surely you can understand that.

quote:

Originally posted by bcap:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . you seem to be incapable of grasping, it was your lack of any effort to get Corey's money back that played a major part in starting these threads. Please continue . . . deflect, distract and obfuscate.

So you know what andrew try to do to get a refund for cme or your just guessing like everyone else who knows nothing on what he did or not.

What options did he not use or try to get refund. You are one of those who just thinks they know all when you have no clue just like the rest of us. Let me guesss cme told you because he was in zambia watching andrew and saw first hand he did nothing.

I do believe by your logic since the guy who got the money may have filed for bankruptcy he is ok now to since that is the legal way out of paying back a debt

FACTS!

Andrew never received a PENNY from Corey.

Ibi did get 80,000 dollars.


He paid back 5,000 dollars.

Then he was taken to task.

Threatened by all sorts of stupid actions against him and his family.

He decided if that is the way you want it, come here and get it.

Of course, suddenly, wimps found out they can bloody well do fuck all to anyone in Zambia while blubbering non stop in America!

Lawyers or no lawyers!

They only have a say in America!

Not in Zambia.

Then something came out of the woodwork.

Turns out our “victim”, Corey, has a bit of an unsavory past.

He has robbed other Americans of 542,000 dollars.

And got away with it.


And VERY PROUDLY, told us him and his VERY SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEURS, do this as normal to get rich in America!

Helped, of course, by a normal, shady crook of a LAWYER!

Suddenly no one wants to know WHO are the innocent individuals Corey has taken the money from!

Apparently you are a bloody crook to take money out of an American if your from Zambia.

But, to take money from Americans, you are a SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEUR!

I see that we have several individuals are logging in from Zambia on a regular basis!


I wonder who they are!

Saeed,
I understand your perspective but it is not accurate. Even Michael Robinson understands business bankruptcy laws and it is not theft or stealing. It is a legal and fair protection for businesses and people.

The bigger is your distortion of USA laws and your lack of understanding of what it means to live in a free and civil society that is ruled by law and not by quirks of royalty. You have attacked the USA, our system, our way of life, our laws and all of that to what end???

You claim to be a friend of Baldry and many others. Why not help figure out how to help sort this rather than throw bombs at anyone that disagrees with you?

You try to shame CME for having a bankruptcy in his past. It was business and it failed. It happens in a free society where entrepenuarship is encouraged. He is not proud of the bankruptcy. No one ever is. You misinterpret his words. It is a dark stain on a person that is overcome by hard work and digging out of the hole you are in. He has done that.

He should be commended for being back on his feet and yet you persist in calling him a thief. By no definition of law or action is CME a thief. His lenders (a bank and credit card entity) understand risk and take those chances on every loan they make. There was no criminal or civil suit in this action. It was a court managed process and all agreed to the settlement at the conclusion. Done, dusted, time to start over.

So, if you are without sin or issue in your wonderful life, keep throwing false accusations at him. You are acting foolish. You are badly mistaken in this. You live in an eye for an eye culture with a type of Sharia law. Once guilty, always guilty and never forgiveness or reconciliation. I assume if this happened to you, you would do CME is doing - pursue legal means in the country the theft occurred in, hire competent legal advisor/lawyer to help, go as far as you legally can go to get restitution. That is what CME is doing. He is not pursuing Baldry at all. Reason - Baldry has no money and did not get any money out of this deal - even though he acted as agent for Ibi. Pursuing Baldry is a waste of effort even if you have a case.

Back to the issue - Ibi is the problem. Baldry was part of it. CME is the victim. His past is not relevant and is settled. We know what was sold and how it was handled. We know of most issues in this mess.

I would think you would see this and stay on the issue instead of these rabbit trails....

What choice did the ones shafted by bankruptcy have? None to speak of in my case. If cme can bounce back that quick to drop 80 grand on a safari, why hasnt he paid off the ones who had loss first?
Or is it, as long as a lawyer gets paid in between it doesnt count. Saeed is not all wrong.
Just because it's legal, does not make it fair.

Here you go again dogcat!

Giving us a lecture on your knowledge of law and order and free society and all the bullshit it employs.

Answer the following!

Where do the innocent people Corey robbed money of get it back!??

No more bullshit lectures.

Plain and simple.

Stupid laws supported by crooked lawyers don’t make any sense to the people loosing their money to would be SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEURS!

Get the blinds off your eyes and call a spade a spade!

A robber is a robber!

Whether he is from Zambia or America!

Corey, who did you rob?

Names and contact numbers please so we can ask how they feel about you taking their money and happily using it to go African safaris??!!

If they tell us they have no objection to you robbing them of their hard earned, cash, I will personally apologize to you for calling you a bloody CROOK!



FACTS!

Andrew never received a PENNY from Corey.

Ibi did get 80,000 dollars.


He paid back 5,000 dollars.

Then he was taken to task.

Threatened by all sorts of stupid actions against him and his family.

He decided if that is the way you want it, come here and get it.

Of course, suddenly, wimps found out they can bloody well do fuck all to anyone in Zambia while blubbering non stop in America!

Lawyers or no lawyers!

They only have a say in America!

Not in Zambia.

Then something came out of the woodwork.

Turns out our “victim”, Corey, has a bit of an unsavory past.

He has robbed other Americans of 542,000 dollars.

And got away with it.


And VERY PROUDLY, told us him and his VERY SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEURS, do this as normal to get rich in America!

Helped, of course, by a normal, shady crook of a LAWYER!

Suddenly no one wants to know WHO are the innocent individuals Corey has taken the money from!

Apparently you are a bloody crook to take money out of an American if your from Zambia.

But, to take money from Americans, you are a SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEUR!

I see that we have several individuals are logging in from Zambia on a regular basis!


I wonder who they are![/quote]

If it was a bank and credit union, it is all the people who have to pay higher fees to cover for the losses. There is no, "victimless crime" in bankruptcy. That or all those who say it about Trump for doing it are lying.

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
If it was a bank and credit union, it is all the people who have to pay higher fees to cover for the losses. There is no, "victimless crime" in bankruptcy. That or all those who say it about Trump for doing it are lying.

Exactly!

Of course, to others, you are supporting future SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEURS!

Who proudly announce it on a public forum!

And happy pay 80,000 dollars of that money to go on safari!

But don’t bother asking questions.

It is the way they do it in free countries!

Bloody hell!

What next??

Dogcat is going to tell us Kamala is a genius beauty queen!

. . . Saeed, you need to familiarize yourself with and take to heart the first rule of holes.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . Saeed, you need to familiarize yourself with and take to heart the first rule of holes.

Which one?

Come on you too.

Give us a lecture on HOLES!

American HOLES or Zambian HOLES!

Is one LEGAL and the other ILLEGAL!

Is one acceptable to you an American lawyer, and the other unacceptable?

This is becoming almost as funny as the last election!

worth read and the whole ...

https://archive.org/details/gov.uscourts.txeb.186165

do not have access to this but worth to dig into it as well

https://trellis.law/case/48113...th-benefits-lp-et-al