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Imagine the life of an individual who devotes so much of his time having a go at someone he does not know from Adam! At the same time defending a crook who admitted, himself, of cheating others out of their money, and considers it part of being successful??? The mind truly boggles! | |||
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Saeed and Andrew, Again, I am having a go at no one. I have not resorted to name calling. I have no issues other than the refund due CME. I will stay on the facts as have been stated. Our sole disagreement is the culpability of Baldry. No question he marketed, sold and organized payment for a hunt that could never take place. When refunds were handed out, CME did not get what was due to him. I am not defending a crook. CME is not a crook, committed no crime. He cheated no one out of their money - your understanding of bankruptcy and USA law is evident. There was no "cheating or stealing" involved. If it were a crime, he would be in jail. He is not in jail and committed no crime. Michael Robinson stated as much in his post on bankruptcy. No crime was committed. No guilty verdict. Nothing but a court settlement on debt. My statements and posts are not conjecture. They are based on what Baldry has shared here as well as CME. I have no hostility toward Saeed or Baldry. Baldry - as stated by others, you set this in motion and when it went sideways, all sorts of smoke arose and the blame has now been diverted to the true victim - CME. You lost hunting days and are embroiled in a mess partly of your own making. Had you handled this as laid out by Kpoynter, you likely would have had support from everyone here. You made this issue worse by your responses and lack of visible action. Saeed and others cite your skills as a PH. Great, I would expect you to be an excellent PH. I have no idea of your track record as that really is not the issue here. The current mess is the issue. I cannot think of anything else that has not been said many times.... | |||
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Just curious, Saeed. Are there no bankruptcy laws in UAE? Businesses never go belly up??  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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it has been answered few posts above. cannot be for individuals ... | |||
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So we know his bankruptcy was as an individual and not a business? Guess I missed that. Of course individual bankruptcy is legal in the west but I guess not in the ME. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Fact! Corey declared bankrupt. Getting away from paying 542,000 owed to others. Not long after, he somehow manages to find 80,000 to go on a hunt. He pays Ibi the money. Ibi, in good faith, accepts to provide Corey with a hunt at a sedate. The Zambian government screws Ibi. Corey demands his money back from Ibi, rightly so. Ibi was in the process of paying others. Corey, and all his cheerleaders, start threatening Ibi, and his son and his wife, with all sorts of legal actions. Ibi became one of the MOST WANTED for those cheerleaders! By this time Ibi paid back 5,000. Then he decided enough is enough. You want the money, come here and try getting it. Corey hits the roof now his little secret is out. Taking money from others, and because he lives in a society with no morals, run by crooked lawyers, he gets away with it. In celebration, he books himself a safari! The real facts are all out. His cheerleaders, hit the roof. Corey did come up with a great idea. How to cheat others, LEGALLY. Now all we want is HOW does he, and all his SUCCESSFUL, friends do it. Might be all the new rage! Honest hunters save for years to be able to go on a hunt. Corey, and his SUCCESSFUL friends, do it the easy way. According to the American legal system. To others. It is plain and simple ROBBERY! | |||
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Fact! You don’t give a damn about the facts. Never have.  Mike | |||
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FACTS! According to normal society and common sense! Certain NOT according to a most corrupt legal system where it is designed to reward criminals and make crooked lawyers richer! He said in himself! With the help of a lawyer like yourself, he robbed 542,000 dollars of others money and got away with it. Soon after he books an 80,000 dollar with Ibi. Poetic justice comes to mind!  | |||
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Good news is that the FACTS are all here for anyone to see . . . despite your continuous efforts to ignore and obfuscate them. Anyone doing their due diligence in the future regarding Ibi and/or Baldry will be forewarned. Be careful booking with individuals that do not control the concession being hunted. Be careful allowing someone you (mis)trusted to introduce you to someone else in the deal. Be careful not getting the person marketing and selling the hunt signed on to the written contract for the hunt. Be careful paying a large sum of money up front to someone other than the seller of the hunt. Be careful trusting the reputation of someone you are dealing with when they attempt to pawn you off on someone else to finalize the deal. Lots of lessons to be learned here. And the real blessing is that I think most folks are smart enough to take the lessons taught in this instance by Ibi and Baldry to heart. That’s the value in this and the related threads. Mike | |||
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You HAPPILY rob people of 542,000. Don’t complain when someone robs you of 75,000! Did someone mention that Ibi’s wife is a lawyer? May be you can hop on a plane and go head to head with her in Zambia? Let us see how do!  | |||
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__________________________________________________ M Jines, you have hit the nail on the head. No matter which side of this argument one sits on, the value of this thread is what you have outlined above. It gives cause for reflection on the commercial transaction. 505 Gibbs makes the point that try stopping the flow of cash and see how many PH "friends" you have. Friendly? Absolutely! Professional? Of course! Friend? Hmmmmmm. This whole thing is a wake up call to treat a hunting transaction like any other commercial exercise. Caveat Emptor. JCHB | |||
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So sad! I have hunted with many professional hunters. Some a once or twice. Others many times. Every single one is my friend. They have visited my home. Some have become part of our family! We do live in a society so far removed from yours apparently. I have friends from America. Some we do business with. Others we share certain activities. According to your judgment, they come to NOTHING?? As I mentioned earlier to dogcat. Some of us do have enjoyable lives. Lives we do share with FRIENDS! Andrew is my friend! Never hunted with him. And when I see that he is being made a scapegoat, I won’t keep quiet. WOW! How the hell has your society got to this stage? I suppose anything ruled by how much money one makes, in helping other crooks cheat innocent people out of their money, is ok to some! | |||
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I had hoped we could all draw this sorry saga to a close but as dogcat will never release his bone and Ibi will never pay Corey it will soon reach 100 pages. Bankruptcy law is an unusual mix of pregmatism and morality with little regard for justice. It's not very nice but it's not against the law (which sounds like something you whisper to your wife on Christmas morning!) Obviously lawyers are in favour of it as a lucrative source of funds. Failed businessmen think it is great, especially if they have squirreled away most of their dough in other family members accounts. The victims are less enthusiastic! American law seems to be much more lenient to the bankrupt than in other Western countries. If someone booked an expensive hunt so soon after becoming bankrupt anywhere else they would find themselves back in court. My own view of bankrupcy law is coloured by the experience of a friend many years ago who had just bought his first small farm after many years as a farm worker. He sent all his fat cattle to a local abbotoir in the autumn. The very wealthy overseas owner of the abbotoir declared bankrupcy and the farmer got nothing. The wealthy businessman's kids carried on playing polo while the bank forclosed on the farmer's mortgage. He hung himself. | |||
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What if the farmer had to declare bankruptcy and could not pay his feed bill? | |||
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. . . once again the ship is adrift. Saeed’s rantings notwithstanding, Corey’s bankruptcy has f—all to do with Baldry and Ibi fleecing him on his hunt. Mike | |||
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If the farmer declared bankruptcy and could not pay his feed bill the court would have taken his farm. He would have been allowed to keep one car and basic furniture but would not have been allowed to run a business or serve as a director until the bankruptcy was discharged. | |||
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According to some here, if a Zambian robs an American of 75,000 dollars. He is a bloody wanted CRIMINAL. If an American robs other Americans of 542,000 dollars, he is a VERY SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEUR! I haven’t made this up. It came straight from the mouth of the SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEUR! Of course, supported by a crooked legal system. Made to order for the hated human vermin. Aka - LAWYERS! Win or loose. THEY get PAID! Isn’t it funny how the VERY SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEUR seems to have vanished?? He was happily cheering his totally IGNORANT supporters of real life in other countries! By the way, when all this started. Some took it upon themselves to find every little detail about Ibi and his family. And posted here. Could we ask those same individuals to give us a bit more details about Corey and his family? His business practices? Some pointers on how those who he has robbed of 542,000 can proceed to get their money back? Fair is fair. | |||
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^^ Ignorant. Mike | |||
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Yes. I KNOW when I hit the nail right on the head! | |||
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I am not a lawyer. I have learned a lot about bankruptcy as a result of once being engaged to a woman who was a high powered bankruptcy lawyer . Let me put it this way . She did some work on the Madoff bankruptcy . She is now a bankruptcy judge . In the US, a bankruptcy can take many forms . There are voluntary and involuntary bankruptcies . An involuntary bankruptcy is where a group of creditors together to force a bankruptcy. There is a form of bankruptcy where debts are reorganized . For example, if one owed a debt of $5000 a month, the reorganization might make change it to $3,000 a month for a longer period of time . There is a form that is basically liquidation . Eligible assets are identified and sold . The proceeds are distributed to the creditors . The eligible debts are extinguished. Certain assets are exempt in the right set of circumstances. A bankruptcy filing does not necessarily involve people behaving irresponsibly. Massive medical bills for example. In some cases , irresponsible behavior is the cause of the bankruptcy. Generally speaking, there are a few hundred thousand personal bankruptcies annually for the last few years. Compared to a population of approximately 330 million, it is a relatively small percentage. I don’t pretend to know the reasons behind CME’s filing . I am not commenting on that other than to say it is at least possible that the filing was NOT due to irresponsible behaviors . | |||
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Lawyers.....can't live with them, can't live without them. PS....the number one cause of personal bankruptcy in the US is medical bills. It's a disgrace and obongocare made things far worse. _________________________ Liberalism is a mental disorder. | |||
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Number two must be falsely declaring bankruptcy to go on safari! | |||
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How rich is it that someone from the ME is so critical of the US. I wonder if his slaves.....er, servants agree with him. _________________________ Liberalism is a mental disorder. | |||
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I just asked them. They are very happy, thank you. By the way, how are YOUR slaves faring? Might wish to ask someone in the BLM to get a proper answer! | |||
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I had a go at your golden boy Buzz and you could not let that go; your posts are simply vindictive. I did not fleece anyone and never have. I took many deposits on Royal Kafue and still owe some but I will pay them back. On my last hunt, I paid back one of us. Two to go. Now should I have declared bankruptcy? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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You can’t. You aren’t American and you don’t live in America. You also don’t have a lawyer on retainer. And I bet you have absolutely no clue of how to be a modern American entrepreneur! You know, those SUCCESSFUL ones. Who go bankrupt once or twice. Making sure they rob others of their hard earned cash, to be successful in life! Honestly. How the hell they do it?? It looks like their government has just avoided being BANKRUPT! By BORROWING more money! Corey is in good company!  | |||
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. . . I actually thought Kpoynter did a great job of outlining what you should have done just a few posts back.
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Question to the lawyers. Where does the money, which the bankrupt entrepreneurs, pretend not to have, end up? Give you a clue? Pay for African safaris! By do this, they are declared SUCCESSFUL! Corey, Corey, PLEASE give us more details! | |||
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Really? You have not answered any of my questions on this thread What's the difference between a Catfish and a lawyer? One is a bottom feeder and the other is a fish ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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may i ask for the Christmas time like a truce and the haters (hidden lovers) of Andrew holding off and coming back full throttle in 2025 after they celebrate the new year and all the american bankrupters supporting the safari industry ... | |||
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That’s some childish deflection right there Andrew… Doubling down (quintupling +++ or more at this point) will never work… Owning the situation is the only way…lying will not | |||
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I followed this thread off and on with limited interest. I only shook my head at one thing. when Corey, cme or whoever, said he knows lots of great people who went bankrupt, himself included. I was on the loss end of a maple syrup distributer who went bankrupt. I never even recovered my expensive stainless drums. Anyone who brags about going bankrupt, can kiss my ass. | |||
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Yep, could have prevented most of this had Baldry just handled this properly and with a level of professionalism. | |||
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Buzz runs his outfit at a very high level of intergrity and honesty. My experience with him as demonstrated that to me. I suggest you may want to think through things before you start another word war. | |||
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He didn’t brag…this is false He simply stated he knew several very successful people who recovered from one Risk takers (entrepreneurs) are far more likely to suffer a serious setback in their journey | |||
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. . . like maybe, Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses Grant, Mark Twain, William McKinley, Henry Ford, Henry Heinz, William Hershey, Dave Ramsey . . . but I digress. Why and whether Corey filed bankruptcy has f’all to do with getting f’ed by Ibi and Baldry. Mike | |||
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