I was at Cabela in Hartford CT and saw a NEW Ruger Alaskan 375 on the discount rack. With black rubber stock. Price $699 - closeout sale tag. This is the same rack as the grungy old H&R and Savage shotguns. Not behind the counter with the other NEW Rugers.

Trouble with the new Ruger big bores already! I have yet to see a single 416 Ruger. But the 375's are all over over the placed on the used rack, now even NEW guns are showing up on the used rack.

I think it has more to do with the economy.

It's a niche market, and it just doesn't have enough extra giddy-up to compete with a well established 375 Holland. The economy didn't help.
Most people look at one and their first question is "Why?".

Rich

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
It's a niche market, and it just doesn't have enough extra giddy-up to compete with a well established 375 Holland. The economy didn't help.
Most people look at one and their first question is "Why?".

Rich

+1

Some people, especially those not really going to Alaska, don't see the need for a 375 with a 20" barrel. Many don't care for the Hogue overmolded stock. The price is very nice but I couldn't handle the muzzle blast.

I'm becoming a Hornady fan due to all the big bore cases and ammo they're bringing forth and wish them well.

The rush is over for the must haves. I picked one up lightly used for 750CAD. They go for 1100-1200 new up here. Used is usually 900. Someone wanted it for 850 and its gone. Real nice gun, but hard to find ammo and brass. My H&H will be cheaper and easier to feed in these parts.

In danger of becoming one of my favorite guns!

Unbelted, made to fit in 3.4" magazine, a little more case capacity, .532" case head makes it ideal for a rebarrel.

However I do believe it will languish a few years until others besides Ruger or CZ build acceptable rifles and then it will start to take off.

IOW, if the 375 H&H were almost exclusively offered in a short barreled rubber stocked abomination kicking SOB then the old round would have a problem also. Offer the 375 Ruger in a beautiful rifle like a Sako or Kimber and it might be a different story.

JMHO

Cabelas didn't even want to buy mine. they said they might buy it for under $500, but still didn't really want to. they said that they are having complaints about not being able to get the velocity of the h&h. which was very true for mine. they have quite a few (mostly used) and said they can't sell them. I'm seeing a lot more used than new in the stores lately. I went to scheels and they said they are selling them discounted at about $700-$750 new and they told me the same thing about velocity.
I've heard good things from some people about the 375 ruger and the cartridge performing awsomely, but mine was not, my second one was not, and it seems a lot of other people are having problems with theirs too. They must have released a lot of lemons along with the good ones, which definitely doesn't help a new cartridge succeed.
I'm sure part of it is there isn't a lot of market for 375 caliber right now, but I think it's more than just that.

I thought the recoil was fine on the guns, accuracy was superb, and the feel of both guns in my hands was great, but it just was poor on velocity in both of them I had and one wouldn't feed. Couldn't get the h&h velocity out of the 23" barrel without a sticky bolt. Too bad, because I loved the idea of it, but after actual experience, I almost hate it now. 2 different 375 Ruger guns, both sent back to ruger and came back not fixed. That's the reason I'm done with it.

Easy solution
Pick one up for $600 and rebore to 416

Guys, I don't know about the USA, but what is killing the Ruger here is the lack of brass.

If Hornady don't address this over here, it will become very unpopular.

What has also helped the 375 Ruger is that HOWA also made some rilfes, thi smakes it a very affordable and accurate big bore rifle.

regards
S&F

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Guys, I don't know about the USA, but what is killing the Ruger here is the lack of brass.

If Hornady don't address this over here, it will become very unpopular.

Perennial problem with Hornady brass. Whomever is making it for them should get off their duffs and go make some brass.

Ruger, CZ, and Howa ...
Wanna bet there's m70s, savages, and brownings on them by year's end?

http://www.legacysports.com/pr...a/howa_375ruger.html

7.75 # .. sights and stocked .. shesh .. what's not to love?

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Originally posted by lawndart:
Perennial problem with Hornady brass. Whomever is making it for them should get off their duffs and go make some brass.

While Hornady sold ammo in cases made by Winchester and stamped "Frontier", they make the .375 Ruger with the Hornady head stamp themselves.

Hornady does not make primers or gumpowder.....other than that they make the cases and the bullets and assemble them right here in Nebraska.

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Originally posted by Sevenxbjt:

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
It's a niche market, and it just doesn't have enough extra giddy-up to compete with a well established 375 Holland. The economy didn't help.
Most people look at one and their first question is "Why?".

Rich

+1

+2

I hunt the used racks around denver all the time and I have only seen 1 new alaskam and 1 african, 2 used alaskans. My friend who works at bass pro said they usually sell them very quickly and they got the used ones back due to the shooters recoil tolerance

I am just curious. How much velocity difference are they turning out to be as compared to the .375 Holland.

You don't find many 375 Rugers on the shelves here. Still seems to be lots of demand.

As mentioned above, the biggest problem is the lack of loaded ammo and brass.

That will be the bane of the 416 Ruger and the two RCMs too.

Funny you mention the RCM's.....I've yet to lay hand nor eye on ANY rcm rifle or ammo, period! And wsm's are so common in stores around here you'd think it was 30-06.

Funny you mention that, Natchez Shooters Supplies has 375 and 416 Ruger ammo on closeout this month!

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Originally posted by fourbore:
Trouble with the new Ruger big bores already! I have yet to see a single 416 Ruger. But the 375's are all over over the placed on the used rack, now even NEW guns are showing up on the used rack.

They were in trouble the day they were released. The 375 H&H is popular with ammo available all over the world
Of course the Obama ecomomy hasn't helped

I've seen 3 used in the one MN cabelas, a couple used in another MN cabelas, one was the first one I bought that wouldn't feed and they gave me my money back and threw it in the gun library.

I saw them in scheels in Fargo, scheels and cabelas in rapid city, sd, a couple of different Gander Mountains, and pretty much every gunstore I've gone to. I haven't heard any of them say the recoil was the reason, but have heard because of problems and because there isn't many animals around those parts that people would need this caliber for.

All big bores stay in trouble....that's why we have them.

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They were in trouble the day they were released. The 375 H&H is popular with ammo available all over the world

Pretty much sums up my opinion. I dont expect you will see the new M70's accumulate on the used gun racks like this. Now, then will they sell?

I got all I need in 375 to 458 classic bolts. Unless Winchester starts thinking outside the box, I just dont need anything. I give Ruger credit for a good idea (a different product), but exclusively new calibers, that I dont get. Not even a 338 win or 458win. A 458Win Alaskan, that would be something on the wild side. Seems a natural for a 338.

Gentlemen

I think it's only fair you ask about other calibres as well

If you checking how many 375 Rugers are on the shelf, also ask how many 375 H&H's are on the shelf

Ask them what other ammo they have on "closeout" and while your at it check how many CZ's and 798's they have on the shelf

Numbers might all be pretty consistant

regardsS&F

I see very few used 375H&H or they dont sit there for very long.

I still remember about 2 months ago, I examined a Ruger No1 in 375H&H. The price was very attractive. I put it down and figured I did not have money or need. Walked around and went back to take another look. Another guy had picked it up and taken it to the desk for purchase. Then I got a little regret, but no big deal. Point is the 375 Rugers are sitting on the shelf. This same place had large numbers of 798s, all gone cheep-cheep. Last year they got a deal on CZ in 458win - cheep. Those all sold fast. Never seen one again. There sure been a lot of complaints about the CZ's. My gut feeling is a lot of CZ's get traded in, but they resell fast and new owner is prepared to deal with some issues.

Time will tell, .....

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.......... Last year they got a deal on CZ in 458win - cheep. Those all sold fast. Never seen one again. There sure been a lot of complaints about the CZ's. My gut feeling is a lot of CZ's get traded in, but they resell fast and new owner is prepared to deal with some issues.

Time will tell, .....

I bought my new CZ .458 Lott at Cabela's two weeks ago -- it was on sale for $799.

James

No kidding, thats a deal and half. New gun, double cross bolted, in 458 Lott for $799? wow! Which Cabelas? Any 416's....not too serious, just asking...Well maybe...

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Originally posted by fourbore:
No kidding, thats a deal and half. New gun, double cross bolted, in 458 Lott for $799? wow! Which Cabelas? Any 416's....not too serious, just asking...Well maybe...

why is it a good deal when a cz is marked down a greater percentage?

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Originally posted by fourbore:

.......... Which Cabelas? ..........

Phoenix (Glendale), Arizona.

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.......... Any 416's ..........

No.

Several years ago when I was shopping for a 458 Lott, I called a bunch of gun stores and the one with the best price for a CZ 550 was Cabela's for $825. Cabela's seems high on most stuff but sometimes there are good deals there.

As for the 375 Ruger; it should have been stillborn but with all the infusion of money and hype from Ruger and Hornady I suspect it will live. I had considered having an Encore barrel chambered for that cartridge but decided to go with the 375 H&H Magnum after looking at price and availability of 375 Ruger brass.

By the way, I think we could have done just fine without all the RCMs, WSMs, etc.

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why is it a good deal when a cz is marked down a greater percentage?

I dont want an Alaskan in 375ruger, but might just make an impulse buy on a 416Rigby. Same way, I might consider an alaskan in 458win, even though I dont need that either. Dont ask me what need means.

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Originally posted by ShortandFat:
Gentlemen

I think it's only fair you ask about other calibres as well

If you checking how many 375 Rugers are on the shelf, also ask how many 375 H&H's are on the shelf

Ask them what other ammo they have on "closeout" and while your at it check how many CZ's and 798's they have on the shelf

Numbers might all be pretty consistant

regardsS&F

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to pick on the 375 ruger. I'm just stating what I'm seeing, what I've personally experienced with the caliber, and what has been told to me. Trust me when ever I go in a gun store, I look at all the 375 calibers and up because they are interesting to me. (yes, I even look at the 375 ruger even though I won't buy one anymore) I look through all the used guns and a most of the new ones. I rarely see used 375 h&h except for the premium collector models that sell for $4000+ and even these dissapear in not too much time. Every once in a while I see a sako, cz, or winchester, but they are usually gone by the next time I stop by. I haven't seen much of the new remingtons at all, but have seen the XCR new sit on the rack for over a year. because it's not CRF i guess? don't know.
I've seen used CZ's go on the used rack and sell faster than new ones too.?

I generally don't ask too much about the guns because I do a lot of research and usually know more about them than a lot of the gun clerks as most people do when they research what they are interested in. I didn't ask the people what they thought about the 375 ruger, they told me when I tryed to sell my 375 ruger to them. nothing but negative from the store clerks. i didn't experience that when I sold my 375 cal cz, they were happy to take it.

Wow I have been gone from here for awhile. I dint know 375 ruger had so many problems. What was the ballistics that you guys were getting and was it from alaska model or african? Thanks

Just saw some complaints on AR recently that the .416 Remington Magnum ammunition is very scarce on vendor shelves and that Remington no longer chambers their M700 for the cartridge. So is the .416 Remington Magnum cartridge dead? I doubt it’ll die anytime soon, though it likely is on Remington’s alternate year manufacturing cycle.

I think the .375 Ruger and .416 Ruger cartridges and rifles have declared dead and buried more than a few times already on AR. Of course since it was first buried it was picked up by Howa as a chambering. AR pundits said of no consequence until CZ and others pick up the chambering. Now we have both cartridges offered by Ruger, Howa, and CZ. AR pundits…it’s still dead although its what - 2 years into its manufacturing life.

Personally, I doubt Ruger will stop manufacturing rifles or Hornady will stop manufacturing cartridges in these two chambering anytime soon. And I believe over the next 5 years that other manufacturers will offer both cartridges in their rifle lines also.

Jeffe,

no offense man, but I asked my PH about ammunition in SA, like at the Powder Keg since I will be hunting in SA in April. We were talking rifles and cartridges and I said 375 and 416 Ruger. He said, "you mean the RSMs?". I said no, the cartridges. His response, "what are those?".

Rich

In this case what is the term trouble mean.
With many complaints that short fat 375 Ruger in a
super short gun, won't outrun the the 375 H&H in
guns that on average have a third longer barrel,
it is a people problem. It is because people listen to the
shortfat cartridge, short barrel, short pants, writers;
a see too many movies with uzis with 2" barrels
blowing up tanks, or cars, or demolishing houses......ED

All I asked was that it do h&h velocity out of my 23" barrel and I couldn't get past 2400 with a 300gr bullet at max pressure. RL15, IMR 4350, H4350, W760 ect...
I know some of the ruger rifles are very slow and others are very fast. huge range

Ed,

the issue is that Ruger says they will exceed H&H velocities with that stubby little barrel and apparently too many of them don't.

IMHO Ruger got with Hornady and created a cartridge that reloaders, who do not have access to that magic pixie dust Hornady sprinkles in the cases; cannot match. They want you to buy factory ammunition, and that just ain't gonna happen. Not this decade, anyway. They came up with numbers nobody seems to match, whereas the old H&H generates numbers everybody can match or exceed.
What the kids today say: "it ain't user friendly...".

Rich

I have powders(not the IMR shelf), that can
make the Ruger match the H&H in same length barrels,
but awful hard to do in a barrel 6" shorter.
That is comparing to regular H&H loads.

BUT using my no IMR stuff in the H&H in a 24-26"
barreled old timey gun, I can outrun the
short fat ruger, at equal peak pressures, easy.
even in same length barrels..Ed

My bitch is a short cushy hogue stocked ss rifle does fill a nitch market and that idea could be offered in a 375HH, 20 or better 22 inch bbl in a 8 or 8.5 lb gun.

If I do get to Alaska probably bring a open site Marlin for bad weather and scoped M70 for good days. Two guns both in 375HH would make sense too me, if one was built around the Alaskan theme.