I have the 20" barreled Alaskan. No problems whatsoever!! Easy to reload, get 2600 f/s easy with all 300 grs bullets tried and 2850 - 2900 f/s with 270 grs bullets.. Feel sorry for you guys having all that trouble. But I will never use a 375H&H again, the Ruger seems superior. In addition my Ruger is very accurate - under 1" with all loads tried and fact.ammo.

http://www.realguns.com/archives/144.htm

now, any questions?

Is the Ruger 375 in trouble ? It's been in trouble from the get-go...tough to compete with a cartridge like Holland's .375 which has almost 100 years of history behind it. It surprises me that anyone thinks Rooger's version will surplant the H&H...Weatherby's .375 and .378 didn't...Remington's ultra mag didn't...don't hear much about Dakota and Lazzeroni's popularity.

Remember when the greatest idea since sliced bread in the auto pistol world was the 45 GAP (Glock Auto Pistol)? How it was gonna make the 45ACP take a back seat? How's that working out in the grand scheme of things?

But, like I've always said, what Ruger's got going for it is they can make good tomato stakes whereas pistols, not so much.

http://www.ruger.com/products/...eAfrican/models.html

That test was using the Ruger african 23" bbl, 7 3/4 pound rifle. A very attractive (traditional wood) package by Ruger. And price to sell, $1000. The African is offered in some old standby ctgs and the new 375. Funny no African in either the 416 Ruger or 458Win. Odd for a gun called "African". Just as odd as not offering 338 in an Alaskan. What ever, ....

I am no big fan of the 458 win. What gives if "short" is the new holy grail for Ruger ... Or are they plotting to offer a 458Ruger!

This is getting worse than the 1890's when every gun maker had his own 44/99 45/101.1 shear lunacy....

Given similar bbl length and case capacity, similar results found for both Ruger and HH rounds is no surprise, expected in fact. As for the Ruger being better, well I belive that like all the other new is better magazine articles. Same is same, shorter yes, better no.

In my personal wanderings, I have not seen these Africans anguishing on the used gun rack. I think a gun owner might keep a gun just based on beauty, while an ugly gun (Alaskan) is expected to put out or get out.

I think the 100 year or so headstart is going to be too much of a gap for the Ruger to ever overcome. I remember growing up reading about the H&H pair. Then as now, the stories are all glowing reports of how they slew herds of game like lightning strikes. A ten year old kid, today, is growing up reading those same books. Except now we call them the classics. If he has family that nurtures his interest in shooting and hunting, he is hearing about the H&H pair. Several of the neighborhood children have been to my house and seen a few of my rifles. With their parents permission, I have taken a few out shooting. Scoped 10-22. Some have even asked to borrow a book, so I offer to read to them here. They don't know Ruger 375 from sic 'em. It takes a generation or more for anecdotal history to develop.
The real issue is: will the Ruger shorties make it that long? Will the H&H survive another generation? The legend of the Holland cartridges grows every year. Ruger bought some gunwriters a Safari to Africa and a stack of tags. They went, they enjoyed the "Freebies", then they came home and wrote ONE article apiece. Even Craig Boddington only gave it space on one TAA if memory serves me correctly.

Rich

On Australia's biggest gun forum (very active) I would say that in the last couple of years the 375 Ruger is way in front of the H&H for people getting a new 375 bore rifle.

Quite a bit going for it. Cheap like the CZ but ligher and smaller for those where that is important and has Made in the USA on the box.

I have never reloaded for the 375 Ruger but I don't have to know that it will be better with powders of the 4350 burn rate and doubly so with long spitzers.

I think if Howa/Vanguard come out with a 375 Ruger with 24" barrel it will cut into the 338 Winchester.

However, I don't think the 375 Ruger will make any inroads with the more expensive rilfes, whether factory or custom. In fact Ruger themselves have relegated it to the cheaper rifles. But the more expensive rifles are not where the big sales numbers come from.

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I think the 100 year or so headstart is going to be too much of a gap for the Ruger to ever overcome. I remember growing up reading about the H&H pair. Then as now, the stories are all glowing reports of how they slew herds of game like lightning strikes. A ten year old kid, today, is growing up reading those same books. Except now we call them the classics. If he has family that nurtures his interest in shooting and hunting, he is hearing about the H&H pair. Several of the neighborhood children have been to my house and seen a few of my rifles. With their parents permission, I have taken a few out shooting. Scoped 10-22. Some have even asked to borrow a book, so I offer to read to them here. They don't know Ruger 375 from sic 'em. It takes a generation or more for anecdotal history to develop.
The real issue is: will the Ruger shorties make it that long? Will the H&H survive another generation? The legend of the Holland cartridges grows every year. Ruger bought some gunwriters a Safari to Africa and a stack of tags. They went, they enjoyed the "Freebies", then they came home and wrote ONE article apiece. Even Craig Boddington only gave it space on one TAA if memory serves me correctly.

Rich

But remember when the 338 was introduced the 375 had virtually 100% of over 30 calibre.

The 338 offered (and still does) cheaper and lighter rifles. Also much easier to convert M70 7mm Rem/300Win to 338 etc. The 375 Ruger is the same deal.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
http://www.realguns.com/archives/144.htm

now, any questions?

yes, how come a lot of 375 ruger won't perform close to that and a lot of them will?
is it cause there was a lot of bad rifles released?

quote:

Originally posted by gohip2000:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
http://www.realguns.com/archives/144.htm

now, any questions?

yes, how come a lot of 375 ruger won't perform close to that and a lot of them will?
is it cause there was a lot of bad rifles released?

Maybe brass, I don't know. Maybe 20" barrels?

But there a couple of things I do know. Firstyly, the 375 Ruger is a slightly bigger case. Secondly, in my experience with 6mm/285 and 6mm/06 I would expect the 375 Ruger to make powder appear to be quicker burning. That, plus the extra case capacity adds up to the 375 Ruger doing much better with the 4350 burn rate and especially with long spitzers.

One of the reasons the 375 Wby gets a lot more velcity than H&H, much more than the increase in case capacity would suggest, is much better use of the slower powders.

quote:

Originally posted by gohip2000:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
http://www.realguns.com/archives/144.htm

now, any questions?

yes, how come a lot of 375 ruger won't perform close to that and a lot of them will?
is it cause there was a lot of bad rifles released?

YOUR rugers didn't, not alot .. one can't prove a negative, so prove the positive. Lots of reports of rugers meeting book values.. lots more than not.

You used the wrong powders .. sorry to say it that bluntly. If you used the wrong powder in an HH case, it too would not perform, now, would it?

The ruger case is LARGER in capacity and useful capacity than the HH...

now, go back, replace "WSM" or "RUM" for Ruger, and run this back 10 years.. yes, boys, TEN YEARS ..

Its LUDITTES yammering about. the 375 ruger is an exellent cartridge .. but some folks want to blather on about how its NOT the 375 hh ...

NO, its not the 375hh ...; but those same folks blathered on that "oh, no other maker will do it" .. and now CZ and Howa are .. who wants to bet we'll see savages in 375ruger before the end of the year?

and, of course, how about weatherby, now that howa is ...

in fact, i expect EVERY major US maker to chamber the 375 ruger before another 18 months have passed .. as a STANDARD offering ...

the same can't be said for the 375HH ...

The capacity difference between 375Ruger and 375HH is insignificant. The value is the short length, cheaper to manufacture for Ruger. Easier for custom builders to find actions.

Yes indeed, CZ is great. They will chamber anything - Whatever the customer wants- Very unamerican. IF RUGER did the same, I would not complain (well not as much, complaining is my defining characteristic). What tees me off royal, is Winchester NOT offering the 458Lott or Ruger NOT offering popular choices in the Alaskan and African. AND, Ruger NOT offering any light, easy carry, magnum length guns. The ANTI AMERICAN CZ will cater to the customers every whim. Kevlar stock, short bbl - no problem call St Louis. 50 caliber, your choice of two, call St Louis. 404, no problem, just ask. Left handed, you guessed it ...

The day Winchester chambers for the 375Ruger, I will .... Whatever,....

Edit: Another advantage of the 375Ruger is a lighter gun. At 7 3/4 pounds the African is a tad too light a 375 for me. IMHO, It would benefit from a larger magazine capacity -- OH, Damn! That would increase the manufacturing costs - What was I thinking?

quote:

Originally posted by fourbore:
The capacity difference between 375Ruger and 375HH is insignificant. ...

The day Winchester chambers for the 375Ruger, I will .... Whatever,....

Is it? really? (in grains h20)
89 HH 95 for the Ruger ..(per ammoguide)
6/89= 6.75%
(they post the 375 weatherby at 97 gr)

Insignifigant? Hardly .. However, that's an "excuss" to disregard the obvious advantages of the ruger .. about 1.75% greater velocity, at the same speed, per the rule of thumb for velocity to capacity increases, at the same pressure

When winchester does chamber the 375 ruger, you will do WHAT, exactly? Like when they chambered their flagship guns in 416 remington rather than 416 winchester express? (yes, really .. winchester was going to ligitmize the 416 howell)

Or how about when WINCHESTER, with their own WSM line, chambers guns for the RUM? Or that they still chamber for the 7 REM mag, as well as 7 WSM?

Good lord.. weatherby sells MORE rifles in 300 WIN than 300 Weatherby ...

This is just crying in your beer talk, guys .. the 375 ruger is
1: larger
2: Beltless
3: shorter
4: AT LEAST as powerful
5: fits in a less expensive gun
as/than the 375HH ..

Its only "in trouble" of being slandered

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Good lord.. weatherby sells MORE rifles in 300 WIN than 300 Weatherby ...

This is just crying in your beer talk, guys .. the 375 ruger is
1: larger
2: Beltless
3: shorter
4: AT LEAST as powerful
5: fits in a less expensive gun
as/than the 375HH ..

Its only "in trouble" of being slandered

All true. Although the 300 Win sales are heavily Vanguard orientated.

But Wby also illustrates (I think?) that 375 H&H will retain the upper end. In their plastic DGR and the Safari as well as custom shop upgrades on them, Krieger cut rifle barrel, wood etc, the 375 H&H is a big seller. I would be willing to bet you will never see a 375 Ruger in a higher end Wby.

But of course a 375 Ruger if in the Vanguard would sell 100s while one 375 H&H was going out in a custom shop Mark V.

It beats me why so many people get into such a dither about a new cartridge. If you have a 375 H&H you will not forced to replace it with a 375 Ruger.

Heck, I didn't even know they were still making the .375 Ruger

quote:

It beats me why so many people get into such a dither about a new cartridge.

The most popular ctg are the ones that factory ammo and components will be available for in the future. And at the lowest most competitive pricing. And, more important, the new gun designs will be offered in the most popular ctgs. So; its like politics - support your favorite ctg. The prospect of the 375HH being relegated to a rich mans gun, does not give me much comfort.

I like the 577. but the 600 won (or is winning)the war. I loose. No guns, no components. Not politics, war. The war of the cartridges.

You see the 416Rem and 458Win owners cheering Winchester on. Understandable, support you local ctg.

quote:

Originally posted by fourbore:

quote:

It beats me why so many people get into such a dither about a new cartridge.

The most popular ctg are the ones that factory ammo and components will be available for in the future. And at the lowest most competitive pricing. And, more important, the new gun designs will be offered in the most popular ctgs. So; its like politics - support your favorite ctg. The prospect of the 375HH being relegated to a rich mans gun, does not give me much comfort.

I like the 577. but the 600 won (or is winning)the war. I loose. No guns, no components. Not politics, war. The war of the cartridges.

You see the 416Rem and 458Win owners cheering Winchester on. Understandable, support you local ctg.

I would have say if I could have the rifle of my choice it would be in 375 H&H and a twin sister in 300 H&H. And a blank cheque to Wby for a 30/378 and 378, keeps things in balance

I am not a Ruger "anything" fan. Their rifles with the goofly lego set recoil lug in the big rifle or the tiny recoil lug and angled screw and the goofy mounts etc.

I expect I will never own a 375 Ruger. HOWEVER, my wants, desires and likes to do not change the facts.

And the facts are that for someone who does not suffer from pre conceptions the 375 Ruger in the Ruger rifle is about the best 375 bore option. The other fact is the 375 Ruger can become available in other rifles thar are currently limited to 338 Winchester.

Another fact is a lot of 375 H&H are and have been sold to people who just buy the ballistics. They are not on forums, could not give a fuck about CRF etc and will buy Rem 700s. The Ruger in 375 Ruger offers a rifle at a similar price and weight plus has the open sights. To do that with Rem 700/H&H you will be into the African Big Game rifle and a heap more dollars.

M70 will require the Safari. Wby at a minimum wll be their pre packaged "plastic" DGR. Sako will be.....I forget the name of it....but lots more money than the Ruger.

The bottom line is the 375 Ruger will end up owning the lower dollar end of the 375 bore market. And when they add a 300 and 338 Ruger to the same rifles (they already have 300 and 338 Win) the Ruger will be a top package.

No 458 Ruger?

quote:

Originally posted by fourbore:
No 458 Ruger?

Would not have the diameter. In fact for a factory round even the RUM case would be marginal and I think that is the reason the 450 Dakota is based on the Rigby and not the 404 case.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by gohip2000:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
http://www.realguns.com/archives/144.htm

now, any questions?

yes, how come a lot of 375 ruger won't perform close to that and a lot of them will?
is it cause there was a lot of bad rifles released?

YOUR rugers didn't, not alot .. one can't prove a negative, so prove the positive. Lots of reports of rugers meeting book values.. lots more than not.

You used the wrong powders .. sorry to say it that bluntly. If you used the wrong powder in an HH case, it too would not perform, now, would it?

The ruger case is LARGER in capacity and useful capacity than the HH...

now, go back, replace "WSM" or "RUM" for Ruger, and run this back 10 years.. yes, boys, TEN YEARS ..

Its LUDITTES yammering about. the 375 ruger is an exellent cartridge .. but some folks want to blather on about how its NOT the 375 hh ...

NO, its not the 375hh ...; but those same folks blathered on that "oh, no other maker will do it" .. and now CZ and Howa are .. who wants to bet we'll see savages in 375ruger before the end of the year?

and, of course, how about weatherby, now that howa is ...

in fact, i expect EVERY major US maker to chamber the 375 ruger before another 18 months have passed .. as a STANDARD offering ...

the same can't be said for the 375HH ...

So what is the right powder for the 375 ruger, because I used the powders shown in manuals, gunblast, realguns and every other 375 ruger article out there. even factory rounds were causing problems. two different rifles sent back to ruger and both returned not fixed. I assure you I had a bad rifle. 2 bad rifles actually. even using minimum loads I was getting sticky bolt, severely sticky. I didn't hear any bad reports at first and that's why I decided to give it a try and give it a second try and spend a year trying to figure out what the problem was. It's only recently that I've been hearing more bad reports and it isn't as much off the interent as it is of gun stores with their customer reports.
Your right though, I'm sure there is more good 375 ruger ruger rifles out there than not, but 2 in a row bad for me and more and more reports of sticking bolts/ low velocity ect... lead me to believe there is a lot of lemons out there in this caliber in the ruger rifles. This is what was so frustrating, because My previous ruger rifles in other calibers were great.

I realize that the powders used in the h&h won't probably be peak performers because of the burn rate, but they should at least be able to use the published minimum to medium loads without the bolt sticking. The only thing anyone that helped me to figure out the problem could deduce after lots of "tryed that" is the bolt lugs not being square and causing the bolt to have to resize the case slightly to get it open all the way or the bore being undersized.

sorry, but I really believe there is a good amount of ruger lemons out there in this cartridge.

quote:

Originally posted by gohip2000:
Your right though, I'm sure there is more good 375 ruger ruger rifles out there than not, but 2 in a row bad for me and more and more reports of sticking bolts/ low velocity ect... lead me to believe there is a lot of lemons out there in this caliber in the ruger rifles. This is what was so frustrating, because My previous ruger rifles in other calibers were great.

I realize that the powders used in the h&h won't probably be peak performers because of the burn rate, but they should at least be able to use the published minimum to medium loads without the bolt sticking. The only thing anyone that helped me to figure out the problem could deduce after lots of "tryed that" is the bolt lugs not being square and causing the bolt to have to resize the case slightly to get it open all the way or the bore being undersized.

sorry, but I really believe there is a good amount of ruger lemons out there in this cartridge.

Ok so your complaint is that you purchased two Ruger rifles having issues that may or may not have been corrected by the factory under warranty. Hopefully if you didn’t return the rifles to the vendor for replacement or send them to Ruger for warranty repair work or replacement that you at least took them to a competent gunsmith for evaluation before you disposed of them.

Now regarding the inability to identify a gun powder that will provide good performance without excessive pressure, I’ve listed commercial .375 H&H factory ammunition performance QL with a 23” barrel .375 Ruger. As you’ll note all reloading is below the SAAMI Pmax for the Ruger and the loadings equal or exceeds the H&H factory ballistics – with the single exception of the 2900fps 260gr AccuBond DoubleTap ammunition.

.375 H&H Belted Magnum, Pmax= 62366 psi, Std Test Barrel= 24.0” length
DoubleTap Ammunition:
300gr Nosler Partition: 2650fps & 4680ft-lbs
260gr Nosler AccuBond: 2900fps & 4857ft-lbs
Federal Vital-Shok Ammunition:
300gr Barnes BND SLD: 2500fps & 4163ft-lbs – (Cape-Shok)
300gr Swift A-Frame: 2450fps & 3998ft-lbs – (Cape-Shok)
300gr Nosler Partition: 2530fps & 4263ft-lbs – (Cape Shok)
260gr Nosler AccuBond: 2700fps & 4208ft-lbs – (Vital-Shok)
Remington Premier Ammunition :[i/]
300gr Swift A-Frame: 2522fps & 4238ft-lbs
[i]Winchester Safari Supreme Ammunition:
300gr Nosler Solid: 2605fps & 4520ft-lbs
300gr Nosler Partition: 2605fps & 4520ft-lbs

.375 Ruger, Pmax= 63004 psi, Std Test Barrel= 24.0” length
QuickLOAD - .375 Ruger w/23” barrel
300gr Barnes BND SLD: 2529fps & 4260ft-lbs @ 62829 psi (70.7grs of H4895)
300gr Nosler Solid: 2621fps & 4233ft-lbs @ 62944 psi (69.9grs of H4895)
300gr Swift A-Frame: 2527fps & 4254ft-lbs @ 62862 psi (71.5grs of H4895)
300gr Nosler Partition: 2530fps & 4264ft-lbs @ 62882 psi (71.2grs of H4895)
260gr Nosler AccuBond: 2710fps & 4241ft-lbs @ 62854 psi (73.2grs of H4895)

I used H4895 for the Ruger loadings due to its indicated good performance, 100% powder burn, and a filling/load ratio of less than 100% while staying below Pmax. Some other powders matched the performance but others gave less performance at higher pressure levels.

Some guys are getting a little defensive around the 375Ruger. I appreciate gohip2000 sharing his experience. A part of the hype around the Ruger ctgs was the rifle&ctg as a package. And, now we have fair warning to think twice about buying a trade in Alaskan to save a few bucks. Rifle and ammo being two separate subjects and yet both are new.

The blue steel African may not have the issues of the stainless Alaskan. Maybe, ??

Reloading the 375Ruger is starting to sound a lot like the 458winnie. Protesting too hard me think. It holds the same powder volume as an H&H, so clearly it must be capable, give or take 1.75%

Keep in mind gohip was battling one or two screwed up guns with possible chamber problems and a 20 inch bbl, while working on reloading.

quote:

Originally posted by fourbore:
Trouble with the new Ruger big bores already!

quote:

Originally posted by fourbore:
Some guys are getting a little defensive around the 375Ruger.!

Really? you asked, got answered, the discussion got FACTUAL and you whine?

Nice.. have fun ..

I only drink wine, never whine.

Facts are fine, but I dont see 1.75% faster as significant.

Maybe I stir the pot too much sometimes (as in how I title the thread), but it does seem like a high number of 375 Alaskans on the used rack. And now I think about it, I dont see any Africans on those racks. Maybe not the ammo, but the gun? Which is too bad because I like the gun idea and not the ammo idea.

(pardon the editing)

quote:

Originally posted by fourbore:
Some guys are getting a little defensive around the 375Ruger. I appreciate gohip2000 sharing his experience. A part of the hype around the Ruger ctgs was the rifle&ctg as a package. And, now we have fair warning to think twice about buying a trade in Alaskan to save a few bucks. Rifle and ammo being two separate subjects and yet both are new.

The blue steel African may not have the issues of the stainless Alaskan. Maybe, ??

Reloading the 375Ruger is starting to sound a lot like the 458winnie. Protesting too hard me think. It holds the same powder volume as an H&H, so clearly it must be capable, give or take 1.75%

Keep in mind gohip was battling one or two screwed up guns with possible chamber problems and a 20 inch bbl, while working on reloading.

I understand that gohip2000 is having issues with two rifles but it will be impossible to work out credible reloading and to blame the cartridge when the rifle issues have not been corrected. Perhaps I missed it but I don't recollect him commenting about sticking bolt issues with factory ammunition only his reloads...but perhaps I overlooked the inclusion.

If gohip2000 has chamber issues with factory loaded ammunition then I question why he has not sent them to Ruger for warranty work or at least to have taken them back to the vendor for replacement. However if he purchased them second hand I can understand why he hasn’t taken either of these two steps but still wonder why they have not been taken to a competent gunsmith for evaluation and repair. If however he had no sticking issues with factory ammunition until after firing reloaded ammunition them perhaps the fault lies somewhere within his reloading process. Just my two cents.

And for the record I don't own a Ruger rifle or have a rifle chambered for the .375 Ruger so there’s nothing to be defensive about. I am however personally am very happy that Hornady manufactures the cartridges and relating basic brass…they’re very useful in resurrecting a line of cartridges equally as old as the 375 H&H.

Trax,

IMHO, the cartridges are a result of Ruger Marketing deciding they weren't really a Big Boy Company without having their own line of cartridges. Of course, we know that they aren't a true BBC because they don't manufacture their own ammunition,brass, bullets, etc. If there ever occurs a parting of the ways with Steve Hornady the Ruger boutique offerings will disappear.
You will note, with some sadness I opine; that Federal, Remington, and Winchester have not rushed production of rifles chambered for or brass or loaded ammunition to market to get in on the enormous profits to be made on guns and ammunition in the Ruger chamberings.
Bad timing with the economy in the tank. Anyone who felt that the H&H was underpowered likely went to an improved version, or stepped up to the real magnum 375 caliber cartridges. The 375 RUM and 378 Wbee are a much better choice if increased velocity is the goal.
The claimed advantages are mostly in the minds of the adspeak guys.

In terms of any real world advantages hunting Dangerous Game, there aren't any. The three of you (Ruger fans) here aren't going to convert the other one hundred posters with the Holland chambered rifles in the gun vault.

Life is a beach, and then you drown...

Rich

sorry accidently deleted my first post, but here it is again;

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Most people look at one and their first question is "Why?".

By what means did you come to the conclusion that "most" people think that?

an factory available std length .375cal cartridge of equal+ power of the H&H, makes pure practical sense now, as it would have in 1912...
Unfortunately H&H was behind the leading German load technology of the time....

While all you are bashing a great American firearms manufacturer that KEEPS JOBS HERE, drive around in you rice burners and kraut cans...and look down your nose at an Affordable and well conceived domestic product.

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Anyone who felt that the H&H was underpowered likely went to an improved version, or stepped up to the real magnum 375 caliber cartridges. The 375 RUM and 378 Wbee are a much better choice if increased velocity is the goal.

The 375 Ruger is not about that. In the main it is about H&H ballistics but in different rifles.

It just happens that a rimless case with a head diameter equal to the .532 belt and 30/06 length gives slightly more case capacity than the H&H. If it had been slightly less it would still have been done. Doubt that?? Well look at the 416 Ruger, slightly smaller than the 416 Remington.

I like the .375 Ruger case design and with appropriate loads it would be a fantastic african round. As a theoreticl matter, I dislike belted rounds.

However...until reliable rifles start appearing in Africa in some numbers it is unlikely to make its mark as an African Cartridge. You very seldom see Ruger rifles on dale in Africa, a few No 1's but that is about it. There was a crase for their .416's a few years ago...but that has worn off and it has been at least a decade since I heard a PH trying to get a client to bring hhim a Ruger .458 lott or .416 Rigby...

Then there is the ammo issue. CZ are not selling rifles in .375 Ruger to Africa because there is no distribution network for Hornady ammo.

You will see .375 and 416 Blaser magnums in regular African use before you see the Ruger offerings (despite the Ruger rounds being more practical IMHO)simply because of ammo availability and with a selection of appropriate bullets.

Trax,

because about 90% of the people I have mentioned it to say that. And all of the gunstore people, even at Cabela's and about all of the gunsmiths I have talked to about it. Of course they said the same thing about the 376 Steyr, and the WSMs, and WSSMs, and SAUMs, and 260 Rem, and 327 and 338 Federal, and 30 TC and 308 Marlin, and...

So I explain all of the significant advantages of a 3/8ths inch shorter action and bolt throw, and they yawn. I explain the advantages of a cartridge that reloaders can't match with any safe loads of their own. It's much safer just buying factory ammunition. And then I explain the advantages of a lighter, rifle and they tell me that they are taking a 375H&H to Africa or Alaska in six weeks and that they can drop more weight by having one less Big Mac with cheese a week. And then I explain to them the advantages of shorter rifle; and then they tell me that they aren't any shorter, and who really cares...
I keep trying to explain all this stuff to the shooters I know, and none of the uneducated, ungrateful SOB's care. They just don't care!!

Heck, one of them even asked me the same thing about my 22-378Wbee AI. The "Why" thing, although they did take a step back and say "Wow!" when 5200 +/-fps flashed across the screen with 52gr Speer HP's.

Rich

Mike,

different doesn't sell many of anything these days, different and really much better does. Different just to repackage the product and make rifles you can sell cheaper than the RSM's is just that. Different. NO real world improvement and one round less magazine capacity. I have a CZ in 375 H&H, full magazine and one in the chamber it's a six shot rifle. Ditto in 416 Remington if I wanted one.

If Ruger ever even remotely depended on me or those few (maybe none) like me to buy it, then yes, it's in BIG trouble.

But it does have a place.

It's a cheap and short rifle, capable of H&H type effectiveness.

Not for everyone, including ME, but definitely for some.

I'm trying not to bash the 375 ruger, but state only my experience and what I've encountered from what I've been told. I was experiencing a sticky bolt with factory loads too. not quite as much, but it was still sticking at the last part of the bolt lift where I had to force it open. I owned an Alaskan the first time and an African the second time.
I wasn't expecting to out performance the h&h, but just to be able to equal it in either a 20" or 23" barrel. couldn't do it. Like I said I've had great luck with the Ruger mrkII and hawkeye in the 300 win mag and 338 win mag. in fact, they are the most reliable and accurate rifles I owned, but when i took on the 375 ruger in the Ruger rifle I had nothing but problems. I don't know if when they built them, the workers that week were off their ball and those rifles got shipped to where I happened to buy them, or they were trying to pump them out too fast to meet the marketing and release date.
Capoward, you're absolutely right about about not trusting my reloading techniques. no one but me is there to watch me reload. I will say that I have a very good understanding of how reloading works and how pressure is affected by different aspects of reloading. I don't know everything though.

I was very excited about the 375 ruger because it offered h&h power in your normal magnum actions which would allow many rifle makers to chamber it in actions they already make.

Now, I haven't tryed other manufacturers of this cartridge such as CZ or Howa.
I'm not a rifle, reloading or cartridge snob. I'm mostly practical. I will say I was and still am excited abut he 375 ruger even though My experiences were bad. I won't buy another one right now because I've just had too much bad luck personally and money thrown into it to continue with this cartridge right now. I hope many rifle manufacturers chamber this round and I hope ruger figures out why some of their rifles were sent out unacceptable, because it opens up a new (commercial) class of power in the standard magnum action.
If you are really curious about my problems, you can go to http://forums.accuratereloadin...043/m/2981045621/p/1 to read through t if you want.

Like I said, a lot of people are having excellent results, but a lot of people are having problems too.

I can't comment on Howa or CZ in this caliber, but if you are looking at a used 375 Ruger in the Ruger rifle, I would ask to be able to cycle rounds through it first in the store and then ask for a 100% return guaranty if the rifle shows problem shooting 300 gr ammo at 2,450 fps with a 300 gr bullet and 2600fps with a 270 gr bullet.

Like I said earlier, a lot of the rifles in this caliber are performing exactly as they should or are exceeding the expectations, but there seems to be some type of trend showing there is issues.

The best advice I can give is to skip the used rugers in this caliber and go for new, because there is a real good chance the used one was sold back because of problems. I wish good luck to all and if you spend over 3 months trying to correct the problem, get rid of it and move on.

Hell I love my Ruger 375 Alaskan.. I also love my Sako Safari 375H&H

Reloader15 seems to work the best for me and my Ruger 300gr Swift @ 2500fps. Plenty good enough for me. Local Boar population hates it though, fun gun to handle & swings like a shotgun. I put mine in an African stock and it shoots just as well as the Hogue, not as easy to shoot well but if I do my part right, everything is under 1"

Love em both, don't understand why there are such venomous Ruger haters, opinions are great. But some act as though your questing their mothers virtue, when in fact whether a Cape Buffalo or an Alaskan Brownie or even a lowly feral hog, they won't know let alone care the difference if it was a H&H or a Ruger.. They get hammered just the same..

I bought one. I did it.

I already owned an H&H and went and bought the Ruger. I told myself and others the Ruger was great. I said it would be an outstanding big game rifle. I sighted it in. I bedded the action. I developed loads with the 270 and 300g bullets.

I told Neil Duckworth of Mokore Safari I wanted to bring the Ruger on my hunt with his brother this last August. As he turned away and dismissed me generally and specific to the subject he said, "Bring the H&H."

I did. It still works. It works quite well.

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Originally posted by Ganyana:
I like the .375 Ruger case design and with appropriate loads it would be a fantastic african round. As a theoreticl matter, I dislike belted rounds.

However...until reliable rifles start appearing in Africa in some numbers it is unlikely to make its mark as an African Cartridge. You very seldom see Ruger rifles on dale in Africa, a few No 1's but that is about it. There was a crase for their .416's a few years ago...but that has worn off and it has been at least a decade since I heard a PH trying to get a client to bring hhim a Ruger .458 lott or .416 Rigby...

Then there is the ammo issue. CZ are not selling rifles in .375 Ruger to Africa because there is no distribution network for Hornady ammo.

You will see .375 and 416 Blaser magnums in regular African use before you see the Ruger offerings (despite the Ruger rounds being more practical IMHO)simply because of ammo availability and with a selection of appropriate bullets.

If America is anything like Australia then the percentage of over 338 bore rifles going to Africa or Australia's Northern Territory will be very small. Visit the import agent for hornady after a shipment arrives and there are countless boxes of 220 grain flatnose and 225 grain Spire points. Th number of 375 Big Bore lever guns out here is very very few. in other words those 220 grainers are going in H&Hs and also 378s.

On the other hand I think there is no doubt that 375 H&H and Africa adds greatly to the calibre and also resale of the rifles. But I believe the 375 Ruger will be mainly a replacement for the 338.

Is the 375 Ruger cheaper? I dont think so. The ammo is more expensive than the 375 H&H Magnum and you can get a Remington (if you are so inclined) 375 H&H Magnum brand new for 5 or 6 hundred bucks.

You can't tell me that adding a little bit to the length of the action really adds that much to manufacturing costs.

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While all you are bashing a great American firearms manufacturer that KEEPS JOBS HERE, drive around in you rice burners and kraut cans...and look down your nose at an Affordable and well conceived domestic product. patriot

We drive a Ford pickup and two Jeeps - In spite of Jeeps horrible reliability. No imports at this time. But, I am open minded. I am also a registered independent. No one owns me. You want my business or my vote, you have to earn it.

I have been a life long fan of Ruger, Bill and the company. I think 3/4 of the product line is right on. His great contributions far out weight the snafus.

Just a few great ideas: M77, RSM, SingleSix, Blackhawk, Redhawk, 416Rigby, 458Lott last but not least the No1 rifle.

But here are omissions I dont get:
No1 in 45/70 with a 26 in bbl.
Bearcat in 22wrm.
SingleSix in 32Federal.
RSM line in a light weigh option
Alaskan or African in 458Win

And this whole 375,416 idea is a big waste of effort. Adds nothing to the sport that cannot be done "better" with a lighter version of the RSM. Now we got lemons and shortages. Ruger better look in the mirror, I see CZ heading for dominance in the big bore rifle market.

It will be interesting to see what Browning does with the Winchester brand.

published, factory data, from
http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp
commerical, btw ruger data is posted in PSI, HH data in CUP ... call it 7500 psi difference to get back to cup, at these pressure levels.

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Originally posted by Grumulkin:
Is the 375 Ruger cheaper?

yes .. 4b showed us a 699 new ruger.. there aint a CRF new HH that can be had for that

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Originally posted by Grumulkin: I dont think so. The ammo is more expensive than the 375 H&H Magnum

you are making that up .. ONLY prvi HH is cheaper than ALL other HH costs more, up to 50% more

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Originally posted by Grumulkin:
and you can get a Remington (if you are so inclined) 375 H&H Magnum brand new for 5 or 6 hundred bucks.

close out 798.. perhaps, but, according to THIS thread, being on close out sale means the CARTIDGE is in trouble ... who would now be foolish enough to say the HH is in trouble, due to remington unwinding their 798 deal? NO ONE

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Originally posted by fourbore:
RSM line in a light weigh option

because the RSM is 50% larger than a m77 action .. its HUGE .. they tried it in smaller calibers, lost millions, as to provide an RSM in 30-06 resulted in an overweight gun. If you meant a scaled down RSM on a MarkII, with quarterribs, it would STILL be over weight ..

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Originally posted by fourbore:

Alaskan or African in 458Win

no market .. they made the 458 in the standard 77 .. it sold like moldy bread

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Originally posted by fourbore:
It will be interesting to see what Browning does with the Winchester brand.

do WHAT? DO you know that FN owns the winchester and browning names licenses.. have for what, 6 years? What they did with it was close a plant and make a new one, with NEW machines ..

"browning" will not be doing "anything" with the winchester name .. they are also a brand name, licenses to FN...

Dang, that explains alot

Guys, they invented the .375 Ruger many, many years ago. Back then it was call the 9.3X64 Brenneke. We just keep reinventing the wheel.