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Originally posted by MacD37:
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Even nice guys have their limit! It wouldn't have taken me half that long to tell him to shove it!

Lets look at it this way and see what you think, putting yourself in the maker's shoes!

The guy buys a double rifle from a client hunter, which has worked fine on the safari. Then because he has no ammo left uses what seems is overloaded, and IMO damages the rifle causing an "OFF FACE" condition and does some damage that the rifle starts doubling. NOW, he contacts the maker who offers to fix the rifle, a service he is not required to offer because of owner caused damage plus the owner is not the original owner, if only the guy sends the rifle to the maker. Since it is a pain in the "A" to ship a rifle out of the country from Africa and get it back, the guy has the gall to expect the maker to come to African to fix the used second hand rifle that "HE" damaged.

In the real world folks, the buyer of a second hand double rifle cannot expect the maker of the rifle to fix damage he himself caused. Also when you buy a used double rifle and it breaks you have someone fix it at your own expense, and you certainly do not trash the maker's reputation because he couldn't come to Africa to fix a rifle you damaged for free, and on your schedule!

You name me one maker of double rifles that would fix a rifle known to have been damaged by a second owner, and do it by flying all the way to Africa to do it free of charge! That's right there isn't one that would do anything other than tell the guy to get it to them for the fix and he would be responsible for freight both ways, and the cost of the repairs! Then if he set out in public to defame the maker, how long do you think it would be if this were Purdey or H&H before they filed suit on him for defamation of character?

I say, at this point, if you want the damage you caused fixed have it done on your own, and cease the defamation or suffer the consequences of that action!

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
About 30 years ago & before that, the NZ rugby team & the South African rugby team used to be the biggest rivals. The skull duggary on the field is legendary. No video replays those days. If the ref did not see you, you gouged eyes, bit ears, squeezed nuts, any thing goes....knee on the face was a famous trick for any new front rower not initiated into real hard rugby. Broken jaws & concussions were a regular affair.

Off the field, the Kiwis are known to be quite reserved and do not get into public arguments. The south African psyche is quite different - they enjoy a public spat. See the history of the various sports teams & administrations - they call each other names in the press, make ridiculous accusation etc. Graeme's namesake the legendary cricketer was in a big tiff with his nephew Shaun Pollock after the 2003 world cup. I was amazed that members of the same family had such a public row. The strange thing is the South Africans always seem to kiss and make up. The team gets together & starts to perform again. I find that absolutely amazing. No other sports team manages to get back to performing well after a big public spat like the South Africans do.

The point I am making is....The internet does not differentiate between cultural etiquette, traditions etc. That is the issue here. You cannot behave like you normally do at your own local rugby club. I respect Ganyana's views on most matters but not on this one....

Graeme, my genuine suggestion is to make up with Butch some how and get your rifle fixed....that is ...if it is more important to you than your ego etc.....It looks like Butch has again offered to fix your rifle if you make peace some how.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MacD37:
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Even nice guys have their limit! It wouldn't have taken me half that long to tell him to shove it!

Lets look at it this way and see what you think, putting yourself in the maker's shoes!

The guy buys a double rifle from a client hunter, which has worked fine on the safari. Then because he has no ammo left uses what seems is overloaded, and IMO damages the rifle causing an "OFF FACE" condition and does some damage that the rifle starts doubling. NOW, he contacts the maker who offers to fix the rifle, a service he is not required to offer because of owner caused damage plus the owner is not the original owner, if only the guy sends the rifle to the maker. Since it is a pain in the "A" to ship a rifle out of the country from Africa and get it back, the guy has the gall to expect the maker to come to African to fix the used second hand rifle that "HE" damaged.

In the real world folks, the buyer of a second hand double rifle cannot expect the maker of the rifle to fix damage he himself caused. Also when you buy a used double rifle and it breaks you have someone fix it at your own expense, and you certainly do not trash the maker's reputation because he couldn't come to Africa to fix a rifle you damaged for free, and on your schedule!

You name me one maker of double rifles that would fix a rifle known to have been damaged by a second owner, and do it by flying all the way to Africa to do it free of charge! That's right there isn't one that would do anything other than tell the guy to get it to them for the fix and he would be responsible for freight both ways, and the cost of the repairs! Then if he set out in public to defame the maker, how long do you think it would be if this were Purdey or H&H before they filed suit on him for defamation of character?

I say, at this point, if you want the damage you caused fixed have it done on your own, and cease the defamation or suffer the consequences of that action!

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amen ..

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Originally posted by Butch Searcy:
The reason that my forman is going is due to a back problem I'm experiencing.
And Peter, if you think you can fix it fine but I know exactly what the problem is and it will require welding up the bites on the barrels and refitting. I also have arranged to due this at a welding shop in maun. And with a new gunshop there as well.
My forman is still going to be there to provide maintance on a couple of rifles belonging to PH's there.
I've gone to great expense and effort to take care of Graeme.
I will continue to take care of all my customers and even second hand customers but I will not help anyone with the same charactor as Graeme. And to all you that think I'm wrong on this subject believe me I don't want your business ever.
If Graeme wants his Rifle fixed he had better get on here and kiss up to my satisfaction. And we all know that won't happen.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Funny thing about the nigh on to impossible phone call Ganyana (aka the dung swirler) discusses.

I just called my PH in SA to discuss coming to hunt next year. With my iPhone it cost about seven dollars for ten minutes or so on the phone.

It's $5.99 a month for the International Plan, and you can do it by the month.

So, calling Butch is a non-issue. You will need to substitute "too lazy" or "too stupid" to in place of "can't."

I do have questions for SBB though. I have offered to buy the DR and have it fixed here. You have stated, several times that it is nearly impossible to export a rifle.

So:

1. How did you manage to (legally) acquire said rifle from a client from another country?
2. I have always heard, and seen on two trips to Africa (Zimbabwe and RSA); that the Customs people check firearms very carefully. And,
that, should your firearms and the customs form not match you run the risk of going to jail until the issue is sorted out. How did the
client get out of the country without the rifle?

Because, if that client did manage to leave the country without the rifle, there is a simple way for the rifle to leave as well.

This gets curiouser and curiouser...

regards,

Rich
DRSS

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I have just put meeting you at the top of my "Things To Do" list for Reno.

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Originally posted by Safaris Botswana Bound:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MacD37:
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Even nice guys have their limit! It wouldn't have taken me half that long to tell him to shove it!

Lets look at it this way and see what you think, putting yourself in the maker's shoes!

The guy buys a double rifle from a client hunter, which has worked fine on the safari. Then because he has no ammo left uses what seems is overloaded, and IMO damages the rifle causing an "OFF FACE" condition and does some damage that the rifle starts doubling. NOW, he contacts the maker who offers to fix the rifle, a service he is not required to offer because of owner caused damage plus the owner is not the original owner, if only the guy sends the rifle to the maker. Since it is a pain in the "A" to ship a rifle out of the country from Africa and get it back, the guy has the gall to expect the maker to come to African to fix the used second hand rifle that "HE" damaged.

In the real world folks, the buyer of a second hand double rifle cannot expect the maker of the rifle to fix damage he himself caused. Also when you buy a used double rifle and it breaks you have someone fix it at your own expense, and you certainly do not trash the maker's reputation because he couldn't come to Africa to fix a rifle you damaged for free, and on your schedule!

You name me one maker of double rifles that would fix a rifle known to have been damaged by a second owner, and do it by flying all the way to Africa to do it free of charge! That's right there isn't one that would do anything other than tell the guy to get it to them for the fix and he would be responsible for freight both ways, and the cost of the repairs! Then if he set out in public to defame the maker, how long do you think it would be if this were Purdey or H&H before they filed suit on him for defamation of character?

I say, at this point, if you want the damage you caused fixed have it done on your own, and cease the defamation or suffer the consequences of that action!

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amen ..

I AM SORRY BUT YOU HAVE NOT READ BACK TO THE BEGINING OF THIS - THE DAMAGE WAS NOT DONE BY THE HAND LOADS - SEARCY IS THROWING YOU OFF THE SCENT AS TO SAY , FURTHER IN THE ORIGINAL THREAD SOMEONE WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF GETTINGS GUNS FROM BOTSWANA TO THE USA SPELLS IT OUT - ITS NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SO LEGALLY - WHY DO YOU THINK SEARCY HAD AN AFRICAN AGENT TO FIX THE PLEHTORA OF PROBLEMS
ALSO I HAD PUT THIS TO BED UNTIL SEARCY REFERED TO ME IN A BAD LIGHT IN ONE OF HIS POSTS - I THEN BROUGHT THIS WHOLE THING UP AGAIN .
FURTHER MANY OF THE PPOSTS SAY I HANDELED THIS BADLY - IF YOU GO BACK YOU WILL SEE I AGREE TO THAT , BUT LETS JUST SAY SEARCY AND HIS ARROGANCE ( AS DISPLAYED WITH OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM ) JUST GOT THE BOILO METER GOING AGAIN.
SIMPLY PUT HE OFFERED TO FIX IT AS A DECOY

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Originally posted by goshoot:
Here is the link to the beginning of this dispute.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=260104625#260104625

I found it quite enlightening to go back and actually read both parties first few statements about this issue. Pay close attention to the statements regarding the ammo used since this seems to be in dispute.

Graeme, Why don't you post a link to cell phone video of you firing the rifle and the problem with opening the action when the gun is hot. Also post a close up photo of the bites (which Butch stated were likely rounded off) and the firing pins you believe are causing the problem? Then all of us would have a better idea of the problem and condition of the gun.

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:As the second owner of a rifle with a warranty limited to the lifetime of the original owner, Butch would be under no legal obligation to repair the rifle at no charge. However, based on the attestations of his other customers, it sounds like he would try to assist you as much as he could.

As an aside, I consider it unreasonable in the extreme to think that Butch would have to navigate the Botswana bureaucracy to arrange transport of the rifle from Bots to the States and back.

George

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Graeme,

posts of "Private Support" are like peeing your pants whilst wearing black jeans. You get a nice, warm, comfortable sense of relief; but no one else knows.

People bashing you and supporting Butch, right down the the wire; those are here in public.

Thank you Butch...

Rich

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Originally posted by Safaris Botswana Bound:
George -
Thank you for the invite and if I could reciprocate - I have a game ranch in Botswana next to the concession and if you are ever in this part of the world with a day or 2 and a space on your wall for a Kudu head - please give me a call - and would enjoy your company ( mandatory beer and kudu fillets ) .

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Originally posted by Safaris Botswana Bound:
Butch - we recieved over 15 000 reads - not bad for a kindergarden squabble - for which I again apologize for looking like the kid who's icecream fell on the playfield.

I will contact Johan's office on the 8th with a view to dropping off my lamp shade ... and will be the first to report back on the return of this DR to its full glory.