I wonder how Nixon's home compares to this????

Posted Jan 7, 11:29 AM
"It really is amazing what can be posted on the internet, and assumed to be fact, even when being reported by third-hand or even fourth-hand parties. I appreciate some good, righteous indignation as well as the next guy, but it has been shown on this forum repeatedly that you can't believe everything that is posted. (And I'm sure some will take that advice when reading my post, as well!) I am not at liberty to provide many details, and have no intention of pretending this forum will be impartial, etc.

First, my PM to Bobby Lowe:



quote:
Originally posted by llamapacker:
Bobby Lowe,

As you well know, your post of January 6th, 2010 on the Accurate Reloading forums titled "Bad Apple and a Rotten Egg" is not an accurate representation of the facts. Purposefully making libelous statements will result in civil and/or criminal action against you personally.

You and I have never had a business or personal relationship. During your phone call to me upon my return from Zimbabwe, I made clear my dissatisfaction with the services provided by Nixon Dzingai, of SSG Safaris, and the extent of his illegal actions. I further followed up with a complaint, through my attorney, to the USFWS about SSG's potential violation of CITES. I have subsequently been advised that pursuing criminal action in Zimbabwe is unlikely to be productive.

Clearly, Nixon Dzingai is trying to manipulate you with verifiably inaccurate "facts". My conflict, up until this point, has not been with you. It is most telling that Nixon Dzingai has not initiated ANY contact with me since this trip, as he alone knows full well his actions were illegal. Additionally, the extensive investigation completed by American Express confirmed Nixon's actions were illegal.

If you persist with making libelous and defamatory statements, I will post this PM, as well as forward hard copies of your posts to my attorney to initiate action. Having previously been victimized by the unscrupulous, dishonest, and illegal actions of SSG Safaris, I would like nothing more than to have a US based party from which to recover my pound of flesh.

Sincerely,

Bill Phifer "


In fact, my travelers' checks, cash, laptop computer, and digital camera were taken in camp. I realize I am not the first to suffer a loss in camp, but it does happen, as I now know. The loss of travelers' checks was reported as soon as I returned to civilization, and the checks were not properly countersigned. Clearly, the checks weren't offered in payment of trophy fees. All my payments to Nixon were made by wire transfer. Complete payment was made months ago, despite my overall unhappiness with the safari. I have NOT made payment for Dip / Pack or shipping. It is unlikely I will ever be able to take possession of these trophies, but when the investigation is complete, this issue will be revisited. I'm sorry the dip /pack company is in this position, but it is not as a result of my actions.

Likewise, Bobby's list of animals I supposedly took on this trip is inaccurate. As is evident by many prior posts on this thread, taking this number of animals on a 13 day trip is so unlikely as to almost be inconceivable. Or, of course, less than fair chase methods would have to be used. Again, for those who have trouble with the facts, the original thread does not reflect the animals I took on this hunt. Other inaccuracies are present in the original post as well.

It has also been assumed that the hypothetical post I made last year titled "PH-error...", somehow relates to this hunt. I've made clear several times in that thread, and by PM to several individuals, that this scenario does not reflect any real hunt, and definitely not my safari with SSG. Why someone would want to overlook clear statements to the contrary, and make this leap, is beyond me.

Lastly, review my PM to Bobby one more time. I have had no direct contact with Nixon since my hunt. If he has any issues, he knows how to contact me. Complaining to later clients, and getting them worked up with perceived injustice, lacks professionalism at the very least. Two different clients contacted me after their hunts with wildly different accusations. I've responded to both that they were misinformed, and being used by SSG to deflect the ongoing investigation. Bobby Lowe did not even provide me with the courtesy of an e-mail or a PM before starting this post.

I will forward this thread to my attorney for possible action. He is understandably unhappy that I am making any public statement. I am cooperating with the appropriate authorities as requested. The wheels of justice turn slowly, however, so I expect I will have nothing further to post for a long time. I'll go back to the peanut gallery now, and let the professionals do their job.

Good Hunting.

Bill

To memorialize.

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In fact, my travelers' checks, cash, laptop computer, and digital camera were taken in camp. I realize I am not the first to suffer a loss in camp, but it does happen, as I now know.

Bill, are you claiming Nixon Dzingai stole these items from you? Did he hold you at gun point, take these items and them dropped you off at the airport?

Why did he not take your guns, ammo and underwear as well?

Likewise, Bobby's list of animals I supposedly took on this trip is inaccurate. As is evident by many prior posts on this thread, taking this number of animals on a 13 day trip is so unlikely as to almost be inconceivable. Or, of course, less than fair chase methods would have to be used. Again, for those who have trouble with the facts, the original thread does not reflect the animals I took on this hunt. Other inaccuracies are present in the original post as well.


Bill, exactly which animals did you kill? You need to explain this one?

I am not at liberty to provide many details, and have no intention of pretending this forum will be impartial, etc.


Bill, you statements have guilt all over them. If you are innocent...tell the truth.

Anyone with truth is never "not at iberty to provide details"


dale

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Originally posted by G L Krause:
Am I being naive here, but how many outfitters allow a client to shoot upwards of $30,000 worth of game without some form of deposit or proof of payment? I have only been twice and I used broker escrow accounts both times so I have no personal experience with this, but I didn't think for the most part an outfitter would get himself in this position unless it was a well known repeat client. Couldn't everyone then potentially withold trophy fee payment until the trophies arrive if they wanted?

Honest men don't think like crooks; they project that others are as honest as themselves.

This thread have it all.....

If its ok I have some questions, how many elephants can Nixon take @ Malapati ? It seems that many people that hunt with him takes at least two elephants ? Ive seen this a couple of years now and it seems a bit strange, for me anyway.

DukxDog: Are you a agent now ? From "We had some problems" thread you say and i quote:

quote:

Second night there I had $3100+ of my equipment(Leica 1200 scan rangefinder, Leica binos, Sony digital camcorder, 1/2 my ammo, camera memory/batteries, redd oxx bag, etc) stolen from my tent even though a guard was posted to watch over the tent. This was reported to the Game Scout, Galapa, who went to his headquarters to report the theft with serial numbers of my items from my customs forms. After many calls and letters when I returned Adam gave finally gave me $2000 six months later and said that is all he and Steve Kauffman would do. My feeling is that when something like this happens you stand up and make it right with the customer which was not the policy of these guys so I lost out on over $1100.

How do you stand when Bill says he have had all his things stolen ?

quote:

Originally posted by daleW:
http://forums.accuratereloadin.../1821043/m/856100969


Check out Bill Phife's (llamapacker) new home and trophy room he posted on AR March 2009.


Can you believe this guy shafted Nixon Dzingai out of 25K?

dale

No pics there now fellas.....

Good call SBT, it may be a chronic problem.

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Originally posted by Sevenxbjt:

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Originally posted by daleW:
http://forums.accuratereloadin.../1821043/m/856100969


Check out Bill Phife's (llamapacker) new home and trophy room he posted on AR March 2009.


Can you believe this guy shafted Nixon Dzingai out of 25K?

dale

No pics there now fellas.....

Good call SBT, it may be a chronic problem.

What a shame because it was a beautiful house. I just looked the pictures this morning!

llamapacker's post seems straight-forward. Only he and Nixon have first-hand knowledge of what actually happened. If theft occurred in camp, and if game laws were violated, and if llamapacker was filing reports of the violations, then he had good reason not to disclose the occurrences to this forum. I understand Dukxdog's taking up for a friend, but the first post is just hearsay for the rest of us, and many of us may owe an apology to llamapacker when this is all said and done. We'll have to wait and see.

quote:

Originally posted by dukxdog:
I am sorry to have to report that one of the members of this forum who posts fairly frequently has turned out to be a very dishonest person.

With the global financial situation and Nixon trying to fill his hunts, this person cut him to the quick for the cost of this safari. When he contacted me I told him I did not see any way he could go hunting for the animals he wanted and the prices he wanted to pay. I had him contact Nixon directly to finalize the costs. When I say he wanted cheap, I mean CHEAP! It was as bad as when the packers were offering farmers a few years ago $25 for a hog. I have also kept all of our e-mails.

This guy hunted with SSG Safaris/Nixon Dzingai in summer 2009. He hunted 13 days killing 2 Buffalo,2 Elephants,1 Leopard,2 Klipspringers, 1 Croc and 1 Giraffe. He did pay a deposit for the hunt before he arrived. When he left Zimbabwe he paid Nixon $9,000 in American Express Travelers Cheques. He promised to send Nixon the balance of the trophy fees for the animals he killed when he got back to the states. Not only has he not paid for the animals, but he reported the AmeX TC's "STOLEN"



This matter has caused big problems for SSG Safaris because they have had to pay the government for the animal's trophy fees this guy killed. This is a lot of money they have had to cover out of their own pockets! The total he owes is $26,490. I have held back posting this information in hopes that his concience would get the best of him and he would make good on his debt.

I will post his name when the time is appropriate.

I would like to know what you guys think of this situation. What should be done about this cheat and liar.

If the document is accurate, it indicates that the checks were returned to the party that attempted to cash them. That document is not hearsay, nor would be the actual checks... which, incidently would show signatures and presumably are still in the hands of the (attempted) depositor.

As to shooting quotas, there is a heck of lot of difference in what you can shoot legally in Zimbabwe (according to Zim laws) and what you can bring back... i.e., P.A.C. elephants.

I hope the disposition of this controversy is, one way or the other, crystal clear... and I'm glad I'm not either the PH or the client. Neither is going to be a winner.

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Originally posted by dukxdog:
I am sorry to have to report that one of the members of this forum who posts fairly frequently has turned out to be a very dishonest person.

With the global financial situation and Nixon trying to fill his hunts, this person cut him to the quick for the cost of this safari. When he contacted me I told him I did not see any way he could go hunting for the animals he wanted and the prices he wanted to pay. I had him contact Nixon directly to finalize the costs. When I say he wanted cheap, I mean CHEAP! It was as bad as when the packers were offering farmers a few years ago $25 for a hog. I have also kept all of our e-mails.

This guy hunted with SSG Safaris/Nixon Dzingai in summer 2009. He hunted 13 days killing 2 Buffalo,2 Elephants,1 Leopard,2 Klipspringers, 1 Croc and 1 Giraffe. He did pay a deposit for the hunt before he arrived. When he left Zimbabwe he paid Nixon $9,000 in American Express Travelers Cheques. He promised to send Nixon the balance of the trophy fees for the animals he killed when he got back to the states. Not only has he not paid for the animals, but he reported the AmeX TC's "STOLEN"



This matter has caused big problems for SSG Safaris because they have had to pay the government for the animal's trophy fees this guy killed. This is a lot of money they have had to cover out of their own pockets! The total he owes is $26,490. I have held back posting this information in hopes that his concience would get the best of him and he would make good on his debt.

I will post his name when the time is appropriate.

I would like to know what you guys think of this situation. What should be done about this cheat and liar.

What is apparent is that somebody tried to cash $9K of traveler's checks that were reported stolen. Seems there are two possibilities. Either, the PH was given the checks for payment and he attempted to deposit them and someone in the meantime reported them as stolen or the PH broke into the tent and stole them and then tried to cash them. Possibility #2 seems to me to be very unlikely.

I did not owe a apologized to nobody, but I want to know the true..., this will the best for all of Us, included "the bad" guy if He exist, any know the end? or will remain as mistery crossed hearsays. Guille

Llamapacker,

I am glad you made a statement with a brief explanation. You are right not to discuss this futher and to let the legal process work. I thought this story was a little bit too one sided to be completely accurate. I don't know the truth and think we should all wait before we judge who the bad apple or rotten egg really is. Trials by blog can be nasty affairs.

The traveler's checks are the key to this story. If they have a valid signature (if they were countersigned), then the outfitter is telling the truth. If they have no valid counter signature, then llamapacker is right.

Without a sample signature and the checks, it's he-said/she-said.

One thing is clear: there is no simple misunderstanding here. It's fraud one way or the other.

Amazing, he gets completely ripped off on this hunt, apparently has a bad hunt, and gets back and doesn't bother to mention it in either posts or a hunt report, indeed, he says I'll give someone a report on SSG both the good and the bad. According to his current position there is no good. Finally, if he really wants to prove his innocence, he can show proof of wiring the monies due.........we'll see.....

Think he will be offered a discounted hunt????

I have been in contact directly with Nixon Dzingai regarding this post. He requested that I post several emails between him and Bill Phife.

Nixon's english is not the best, but you will be able to understand exactly what took place. The emails speak for themselves.



Dale for you to see and judge by your self and tells you how bad he is, why is he not telling the truth.
----- Original Message -----
From: Nixon Dzingai
To: Bill Phifer
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:20 AM
Subject: Trophy Fees Due Payment


Dear Mr B.Phifer
Hope this e-mail will finds you well and the family.I would like to remind you on the outstanding $26490 that is due for
payment to us.$9000 Travellers Cheques that you made to us as part of payment from $26490 were reported by AMEX
as stollen.Pls could you assist on to this issue as we are now in the bad situation with the National Parks.

Nixon is out hunting,i will mail you the copies of the chqs and your understanding will be highly appreciated.

Hope to hear from you asap

Kindly Regards
Naison (Operation Manager)

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Phifer
To: Nixon Dzingai
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: Hunting


Nixon,



Excellent news that the lion has hit the bait. Please keep him well fed. Do you know if it is a male or a female? It is great to hear there are elephants in the vicinity as well.



I will send another wire transfer before I leave. I will also bring as much cash as possible. I have received the SIM cards from Butch, and will bring them along with the camera, computer and other items. By this time next week I should be in camp!



Cheers!



Bill Phifer



From: Nixon Dzingai [mailto:sengwesafaris@zol.co.zw]
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:51 AM
To: Bill Phifer
Subject: Re: Hunting



Thanks my friend everything is okay with me.my home address is 29 Impala Drive Chiredzi Zimbabwe Africa.hope you have seen my other e-mail.

Thanks

Nixon

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Phifer

To: Nixon Dzingai

Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 6:32 PM

Subject: FW: Hunting



Nixon,



I realize you are often in the bush so I decided to take some initiative and purchase what I think you probably need for a camera and laptop. Let me know if this is a problem as I can always return them to the store.



I bought a very nice pocket-size digital camera for about $190. This is small, lightweight, waterproof and shock resistant and should take excellent photos of camp, trophies, and general hunting area. I also found an excellent used laptop computer for $175 dollars. There is no software on the computer other than the Windows XP operating system. This should work very well for e-mail and file storage.



I do still need your address to put on my firearms license.



Bill Phifer

SIM CARDS was bought by George Ray not bill Pfifer.George Ray gave to Bill to pass them to me.26k was for the trophy fees only he shot two elephant,one leopard, two Buffalo's one Giraffe one crocodile and the baits for lion and leopard.how can i trade a hunt with one digital camera and a second hand laptop.he gave the items at the middle of the hunt if you can see his e-mails written to me by him you can tell by your self.all the payment he did through wire transfer was for one Elephant plus daily rate.if you can check the e-mail written on 15th June tells you everything Digital camera was boughtfor $190 and the second hand computer for $175 he brought and give to me as my gift he gave three watches to the three girls for the camp and he also gave some hates to the trackers.i hope you did see his e-mails and mine as well.why is he not telling the truth ?
Nixon
----- Original Message -----
From: dawdmd@aol.com
To: sengwesafaris@zol.co.zw
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Hunting


Nixon,

Did Bill Phife bring the camera, laptop, sim cards and other items as trade for hunt? He gave these items at the beginning of the hunt?

Did Bill prepay the daily rate prior to the hunt via wiretransfer?

The 26k outstanding was that only trophy fees?

What animals did Bill kill?



dale

DaleW,
Thanks, that adds clarity having the dated e-mails from Nixon. Llamapacker removing pix of his new trophy room is also interesting. Wonder if the owner of the company he writes checks for lives in nearly as nice a house?

Yeah, someone is a lying SOB, and I don't think he lives in Africa.......

2010 didn't start off too good for someone!!! I don't know what to say about the last set of emails other than OUCH!!!

Looks like a second mortgage needs to be addressed!!!

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Originally posted by daleW:
I have been in contact directly with Nixon Dzingai regarding this post. He requested that I post several emails between him and Bill Phife.

I bought a very nice pocket-size digital camera for about $190. This is small, lightweight, waterproof and shock resistant and should take excellent photos of camp, trophies, and general hunting area. I also found an excellent used laptop computer for $175 dollars. There is no software on the computer other than the Windows XP operating system. This should work very well for e-mail and file storage.



Bill Phifer

This the same equipment stolen the same time as the travelers checks?! Uh yeah, yeah, that's it!

Man, Nixon just cannot make something like that up.

Let me be the first on the internet jury to find Bill Phish, or whatever, guilty.

What a dirtbag.

Take a look at this:

" It is most telling that Nixon Dzingai has not initiated ANY contact with me since this trip, as he alone knows full well his actions were illegal."

(PM after the original post made it to the board)

And this

"----- Original Message -----
From: Nixon Dzingai
To: Bill Phifer
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:20 AM
Subject: Trophy Fees Due Payment"

I give him the benefit of the doubt that the e-mail is signed by the PH's manager and not by him but for business purposes, the communication is clearly coming from the other party and to claim that there has been no communication between them since the hunt was a half truth to say the least and dishonest in my opinion.

This is becoming quite interesting....I cant wait to the end of the story....

Outstanding work Dale. It is crystal clear to me who ripped off who in this case after reading your posts. I find it particularly interesting that Bill is threatening to sue for defamation of character.

Why is everyone hanging out here in the hunt reports forum?

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Originally posted by David Hulme:
Why is everyone hanging out here in the hunt reports forum?

'cause my plane doesn't leave for Dallas until 7:00 a.m. in the morning... and that's a darn good reason!

If people tried to use pictures of my house to prove something about a hunt I was on, I might delete them too.

I bet more than one person here has had a bad hunt and not posted a report -- heck most of the time someone posts a negative report they get attacked.

If you are involved in litigation your lawyer might well advise you not to comment.

Lots of people drawing conclusions on insufficient information. We may never know the actual details. Unless Doug Chester shows up...

I'm not taking any sides myself.

Oh no!!!
Not Doug Chester. Not THE Honorable Doug Chester of Ray Atkinson fame.
Run for the hills!!!

quote:

Originally posted by David Hulme:
Why is everyone hanging out here in the hunt reports forum?

Drink and popcorn in hand!!!!!!! Let the show commence!!!! Jerry Springer what????

Brett

Gentlemen,

I hope everyone is aware that the libel, slander and defamation laws here can beheld to apply to all parties communicating the libelous, slanderous or defamatory communication, particularly when one drifts from expressing an opinion into the realm of stating unfounded accusations as fact. Please be careful.

In the grand scheme of things, all that is known with any certainty is that there is a dispute between two parties. The purported copies of documents posted here would not be considered as evidence in any court. Evidence is subject to authentication as true and correct, then to cross examination to establish its truthfulness and credibility. This is not to say that the documents posted are not truthful and authentic; just to point out that they cannot be taken at face value without resolving issues like:

-The Barclays document, is it an authentic communication from Barclays without alteration?

-The Barclays document, if authentic only establishes that there was a denial of payment based on the conclusion that $9000 of checks deposited were stolen. It does not say who the remitter (payor) was, who signed the checks, when they were deposited, or whether the payment relates to payment for the particular safari in question.

-Why did Amex conclude the checks were stolen? As the issuer of a draft that has many of the characteristics of a cashier’s check, Amex is on the hook for paying the bank accepting the checks for deposit. To invalidate a legitimate deposit, Amex had to prove to the depository bank that the checks were in fact stolen. The rules governing issues between banks is pretty clearly spelled out in federal and international banking regulations. The depository bank, upon receiving items claimed to be forged or stolen, has the opportunity to dispute that conclusion through their own investigation and forensic analysis of signatures.

Amex does in fact have a rigid process in investigating stolen check claims. While the only information as to the date of the deposit can be deduced by the description of the safari occurring “in the summer” note that the Barclays letter was dated late October. Even if the safari and deposit occurred in August, the correspondence reflects a two month delay in resolution.

Again, this is not to say that the reports are not as represented, just to say that there are issues that, without resolution, impact the reliability and credibility of the claims.

-Emails copied can be altered from their original form, if they even existed in the first place. Emails are very easy to fabricate, alter and change, and are thus subject to a fairly high degree of scrutiny. In addition, the context of even legitimate emails can change the entire meaning when the entire context is revealed. Was there more than one computer ad camera taken on the trip? Were the computer and camera discussed in the email the ones reported as stolen?

Again, not saying the accusations are not true, just saying the evidence cannot be relied upon without substantiation.

Likewise, we have no idea whether any reports or complaints were filed in Zim or with USFG. Not saying they were not filed, just that we don’t really know that as a fact.

Both sides claim to have contacted the authorities, and both have stated or implied they are pursuing civil legal action. Anything they say here can and will be used by the other side. Which is why at least one party has been advised to avoid discussing the issues in a public forum. People are allowed to avoid making any statements that may incriminate them, and frankly in an issue like this anything they say can be used against them.

We do have a rigorous judicial process where both parties get their say, and an opportunity to cross examine each other and the evidence. That process is subject to stringent rules to ensure that the process is fair. The internet bears no resemblance to justice.

Someone’s reputation, and possibly their lives, are going to be irreversibly harmed by the final outcome of the allegations made here. Good to keep in mind in our discussions.

While we, as hunters and industry professional, all have an interest in seeing that justice is served here to protect the integrity of our reputations and passion, we are not going to achieve that goal by an unregulated and unrestrained trial by internet. And whomever the innocent party eventually turns out to be here, their interests, and reputation, are certainly not being advanced by the discussion here.

Sorry for the long post, but it was my hope to inject some perspective into this post. It is my fervent desire for the injured party to obtain what is due them and the full measure of justice due, and for the villain in this matter to be punished without mercy. The identity of those two parties actors is not going to be revealed here.

For the record, I do not know Doug Chester and did not sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.

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Originally posted by Jim Manion:



...For the record, I do not know Doug Chester...

Well, that pushed a bit of Diet Coke up my nose.

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Originally posted by Duckear:

quote:

Originally posted by Jim Manion:



...For the record, I do not know Doug Chester...

Well, that pushed a bit of Diet Coke up my nose.

I am getting really tired of guys screwing PHs out of their TF's. It is great to be able to wire the money after you get home. Thanks to that dirtbag guy in AZ, member of the PHX SCI club board and now this guy, it might be back to the days of cash.

Maybe I should start a hunting TF escrow business...

Have been reading this thread with great interest. I hunted with Nixon in 06&07 and have been an evangelist for him ever since. I gave guys like Duxdog and Dale W the good word on him. I sent him a note, sort of condolences for his loss, he fired right back with emails between him and the client in question and asked me to post them, I don't know how and Dale W has already done that. I sure didn't come away from Nixon's hunt with the attitude this guy has but of course I paid him.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:

quote:

Originally posted by David Hulme:
Why is everyone hanging out here in the hunt reports forum?

'cause my plane doesn't leave for Dallas until 7:00 a.m. in the morning... and that's a darn good reason!

Are you flying via ATL?

The plot thickens. Wow.

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Originally posted by mrfudd:

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:

quote:

Originally posted by David Hulme:
Why is everyone hanging out here in the hunt reports forum?

'cause my plane doesn't leave for Dallas until 7:00 a.m. in the morning... and that's a darn good reason!

Are you flying via ATL?

Nope. Direct from JAX.

This has already been mentioned in another thread but the weather in Dallas is near record lows and windy, lows tonight in mid teens with 20 mph winds, tomorrow and Sat lows will be in low teens. Bring warm, both clothing and liquid.

Don't come to Winnipeg, Canada....it's 40 below here now.

What a train-wreck this whole deal has become.

Been my experience that the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.

But then I'm not swayed one way or the other as I've never shared a campfire with either of the principals.

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Originally posted by llamapacker:
I will forward this thread to my attorney for possible action. He is understandably unhappy that I am making any public statement. I am cooperating with the appropriate authorities as requested. The wheels of justice turn slowly, however, so I expect I will have nothing further to post for a long time. I'll go back to the peanut gallery now, and let the professionals do their job.

Forgive me, but I, too, am a professional (and not an appropriate authority) stranded in the peanut gallery and contemplating possible action while trying to do my job.

But wait, I have made a public statement! Can one do that in this day and age?!

This is Ray Atkinson hiding behind Doug Chester all and bloody well over again.

Maybe I'm missing something, but if I am, it ain't much.