lpacker - Do you have any friends that live in another Country? Do you have any friends anywhere? Seems like it might be time to make a run for the Border??

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

I think he better cough up any monies owed and quickly. It will save him a world of shit.

It would make all of our days if we could hear that this matter had been settled to SSG's satisfaction.

I'm in for $500 subject to reasonable verifications.

I am very interested how this will all pan out. I believe that it will surprise the majority here.

We booked Bill for a PAC hunts 2 years ago and he was every bit the gentleman we expected him to be. He paid the full daily rate and then paid the trophy fee on his return. I would not hesitate to hunt with him again based on OUR experience. If proved guilty then he must face the music.

We often let/ reccommend clients settle their outstanding trophy fees by wire transfer on their return and touch wood , to date we have had no issues whats so ever. I hope that, when we see the out come of this fiasco, I will not have reason to change our policy!

Maybe Mark Sullivan will pick up all legal fees 'cause we all forgot about him when this came to our attention. Ya think??

Something tells me that we have not heard the whole story from either side yet.

A friend of mine booked a whitetail hunt in Canada several years ago with an outfitter he had been using for several years and all his clients sung his praises. During the hunt they ran across an exceptional mule deer, not knowing my buddy asked the outfitter about hunting the deer and outfitter said he could take the mule deer instead of whitetail and the tag would cover either one. He ended up bagging the muley, tagged it and flew home to Mississippi waiting on his trophey. A little while later, USFWS show up at his house and start gathering evidence against him.......turns out the outfitter, his trusted friend who could do no wrong, screwed him. He couldn't have guns in his house or hunt for at least two years that I can think of.

I'm not taking sides on this debate, but just because a lot of people have had satisfactory hunts with this PH does not mean that llamapacker is lying or that there isn't more to the story than is in this thread. My biggest question is what are the supposed illegal actions that this PH committed? If I was duped into an illegal hunt, unknowingly to me, I would stiff the outfitter too! Not saying that is the case though.

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Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
I am very interested how this will all pan out. I believe that it will surprise the majority here.

Hmmmmm, the plot thickens.....

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Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
I am very interested how this will all pan out. I believe that it will surprise the majority here.

We booked Bill for a PAC hunts 2 years ago and he was every bit the gentleman we expected him to be. He paid the full daily rate and then paid the trophy fee on his return. I would not hesitate to hunt with him again based on OUR experience. If proved guilty then he must face the music.

We often let/ reccommend clients settle their outstanding trophy fees by wire transfer on their return and touch wood , to date we have had no issues whats so ever. I hope that, when we see the out come of this fiasco, I will not have reason to change our policy!

Buzz,

Thanks for posting this. You told me the same thing in Dallas on Friday, I did not want to post it because it would have been second hand information. (Thanks again for the video)

I met Bill at the AR dinner in Dallas last year and spent the evening with him and his wife along with my wife. He seemed to be a very decent guy. I also talked to him after the hunt with Nixon and he told me the good and not so good about his hunt. Nothing he said was really negative about Nixon or his operation.

If he did what he is alleged to have done, I will tie the noose myself. The only two people who know what happened is Nixon and Bill. The rest of us assume we know.

BTW, I have a client that owes me over $275,000 for more than a year. If I release his name can the wrath of AR be unleashed on him. It is hunting related as it has cut in to my play money.

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I met Bill at the AR dinner in Dallas last year and spent the evening with him and his wife along with my wife. He seemed to be a very decent guy. I also talked to him after the hunt with Nixon and he told me the good and not so good about his hunt. Nothing he said was really negative about Nixon or his operation

I've just got a couple of questions, did he bother to mention the wee little detail of $9000 worth of "stolen" traveler's checks? Did he talk about shooting the wrong elephant?

Gatogordo,

I do not recall him mentioning it.

Mike:

Thanks for the quick reply, I was editing it in the interim to ask about the "wrong" elephant? Did he mention that?

There are people that have researched where this guy could possibly work. It was insinuated his employer should know. I just do not think those things are right.

Now that we have hung Bill let us suppose this scenario.
Bill's TC's were stolen. Nixon signed them and cashed them. Will everybody agree to never hunt with Nixon again?

Not saying it happened but what if?

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Originally posted by Mike70560:
Gatogordo,

I do not recall him mentioning it.

You know, that is what really is remarkable about this story: he has 9K in TCs stolen in a PH's camp, and we don't hear a word of it until someone speaks up on behalf of Nixon.

So two things have to have occurred:

1. TCs are stolen and Bill doesn't report it.
2. Nixon gets paid his full trophy fees but instead risks his entire business by lying about it.

It sure looks funny to me. Does anyone have a plausible explanation for this? Does Bill? Was he at DSC? If so, what did he say?

The only real possible explanation here is that DaleW (I think that is who is acting as a surrogate for Nixon) hates Bill P and is lying. I suppose since we haven't heard from Nixon that might be possible. But he has so much "insider" information about this (namely, the TCs) that he has to be talking to Nixon.

I have been wrong before, but normally my gut is right.

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Now that we have hung Bill let us suppose this scenario.
Bill's TC's were stolen. Nixon signed them and cashed them. Will everybody agree to never hunt with Nixon again?

Not saying it happened but what if?

Absolutely, but I'll bet serious and I do mean serious money that that is not what happened. Amazing, Bill talks to everyone, posts in here, for months after the hunt, and NOT ONE F...ING WORD about stolen travler's checks until now. Absolutely unbelievable, and, according to Judge Judy, if it is not believable, it didn't happen.

If I had $9,000 worth of TCs ripped off on a hunt, you'd bet I'd mention it even if only for the "BE CAREFUL OUT THERE" factor. What's more, I think at least 99.99% of the people who post in here would mention it too.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I have been wrong before, but normally my gut is right.

I understand that feeling.

I do not know him well, but my gut told me he is a decent guy. I thought since we were having an internet trial I could be a character witness.

I will try not to post any more on this thread as I feel I can not add anymore than the little that I have.

AAW- I did not see Bill at the show this year, but there was a lot of talk about this.

IMO it is amazing the impact AR has in the Africa hunting community. Everybody that I spoke to is aware of the forum.

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Originally posted by Mike70560:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I have been wrong before, but normally my gut is right.

I understand that feeling.

I do not know him well, but my gut told me he is a decent guy. I thought since we were having an internet trial I could be a character witness.

I will try not to post any more on this thread as I feel I can not add anymore than the little that I have.

AAW- I did not see Bill at the show this year, but there was a lot of talk about this.

IMO it is amazing the impact AR has in the Africa hunting community. Everybody that I spoke to is aware of the forum.

Mike:

I think it is totally fair for you to be a character witness. If you think he is a great guy and don't speak up, what does that say about you? For the most part, we speak our peace (pun intended) here and I think everyone respects the right of each of us to have an opinion.

I am just going off the facts as I see them.

And yes, if Nixon is lying, let's face it: his business is over. But I bet he isn't.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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Now that we have hung Bill let us suppose this scenario.
Bill's TC's were stolen. Nixon signed them and cashed them. Will everybody agree to never hunt with Nixon again?

Not saying it happened but what if?

Absolutely, but I'll bet serious and I do mean serious money that that is not what happened. Amazing, Bill talks to everyone, posts in here, for months after the hunt, and NOT ONE F...ING WORD about stolen travler's checks until now. Absolutely unbelievable, and, according to Judge Judy, if it is not believable, it didn't happen.

If I had $9,000 worth of TCs ripped off on a hunt, you'd bet I'd mention it even if only for the "BE CAREFUL OUT THERE" factor. What's more, I think at least 99.99% of the people who post in here would mention it too.

That was probably a poor choice for a scenario. Better would have been "What if Nixon is at fault", Then do we apologize to Bill and quit hunting with Nixon. And to quit hunting with Nixon would not be right, we all screw up, some of us worse than others. Screw ups and fraud should also not be confused.

Mike:

You are correct. There are only 2 people that know. Bill doesn't owe anyone here an explanation.

I am suspicious for the same reasons AAW is. Further, if there were so many illegal acts that he felt compelled to report them, why did he continue? Isn't he basically admitting to violating the Lacey Act? That really makes no sense to me.

If Nixon is lying, he is pretty much out of business I would bet. This will ruin him as it should.

It will be interesting to see the final outcome.

Hmmm! It sure would be interesting if we could see copies of those travelers checks! Again we are still waiting for our first piece of varafiable evidence!

Brett

I have been Chukar hunting for the past several days.

I will tell you all that the 2 elephants, Leopard and Croc ALL have Zim Trophy Export Tags in place and the Elephant ivory has been stamped by Zim including the Certificate of Ownership for Ivory and Rhinoceros Horn. Nixon had to pay the trophy fees to the govt himself for the game killed.

I do not want to give any info which might compromise the situation.

A couple of thoughts on the side issues raised in this thread:
On 3 of my 4 hunts I have left Botswana with trophy fees owing and wired the money as soon as I got home. I suspect that this prectice is more common than you are led to believe.
Be cautious in assuming that the indivitual working for the University and LLamapacker are one and the same. I had to have fingerprints taken in connection with a government regulation. The detective left me alone in the roon for an extended time than came in laughing. He said "you almost had a very interesting day. There is an outstanding felony warrant on someone with the same name as you, 5 policemen were about to burst in here and tackle you, but than they checked the SSNs and birthdays and realized that it wasn't you". If this guy is not LLamapacker than some people owe him an apology for linking him to this debacle.
Finally, I would urge caution here. We are talking about more than slander, the various allegations constitute theft. I'm not a lawyer, but some serious charges are being bandied about here.

Just back from Dallas, wow! FYI, Bill Phifer's e-mail address is to a university in Utah. I have copies of the travellers checks andwill be forwarding to Boddy. I also have an attorney here in Jackson, WY who is from a nationally recognized firm whom I will be contacting in the next week. He is licensed in UT and also a past WY Game and Fish Commissioner, so he knows the ropes. I'll coordinate with Bobby and see what happens. I too will donate to the SSG legal fund.

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Originally posted by SBT:
Just back from Dallas, wow! FYI, Bill Phifer's e-mail address is to a university in Utah. I have copies of the travellers checks andwill be forwarding to Boddy. I also have an attorney here in Jackson, WY who is from a nationally recognized firm whom I will be contacting in the next week. He is licensed in UT and also a past WY Game and Fish Commissioner, so he knows the ropes. I'll coordinate with Bobby and see what happens. I too will donate to the SSG legal fund.

We need to get someone to administer this legal fund who is trustworthy. Maybe their contribution could be as a accountant. I know one world famous hunter/accountant (actually runs an accounting firm I think) in Florida who I would trust with the job...

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Originally posted by dukxdog:
I have been Chukar hunting for the past several days.

How did you do chukar hunting?

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Originally posted by TerryR:
...... I had to have fingerprints taken in connection with a government regulation. The detective left me alone in the room for an extended time than came in laughing. He said "you almost had a very interesting day. There is an outstanding felony warrant on someone with the same name as you, 5 policemen were about to burst in here and tackle you, but than they checked the SSNs and birthdays and realized that it wasn't you". ....

My very good friends - a couple - celebrated their 25th wedding anniversary 2 or 3 years ago. John & Elaine were surprised when the received a greeting card from none less than Queen Elizabeth II!! But the card wished them for their 50th anniversary!! It turns out that (in our town) there is another couple John & Elaine with the same surname and married on the same date but 25 years earlier! Internal Affairs had got the wrong couple & wrong address and arranged for the Royal recognition!!

Someone had forgotten to check the year!

Wow, now we've got the Spence, Moriarty law firm involved! Big guns who get big results. This should be very interesting.

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I have copies of the travellers checks andwill be forwarding to Boddy.

SBT,

Would it be possible to post those???

Brett

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:

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I have copies of the travellers checks andwill be forwarding to Boddy.

SBT,

Would it be possible to post those???

Brett

No that won't happen.

American Money says it all...

"In God we trust"...all others pay cash or transfer up front

Totally unrelated to this case or either gentleman involved...but still two fairly recent zim cases...

1) Client has a fantastic lion hunt in a parks area. Shoots a great lion (SCI no 5 I think) Later that morning while the lion is being skined he notices a truck with a cage on the back having a broken spring fixed in camp...falls in with sharing a smoke with the driver ...who tells him that he dropped a lion off at the point by the blind at 4am that morning..."yus boss, it was a bit scary, the lion was coming round and starting to lift his head..." Client got into the blind at 4:30 and the lion was lying near the bait with it's head up at 5:10 when he shot it...

2) Client books an ele/buff hunt in Zim. Room in the lodge in Harare uis gone through while he is at dinner and a few minor things including his GPS stolen. He is greatful he is carrying TC's not cash. Hunt goes very well and he gets a 80lb ele. While sitting watching the recovery he finds his old GPS in his fanny pack and switches on...funny it shows they are in Mozambique...he wakes up and pays attention...sure enough he can understand the game scout and some of the workers ...they seem to be speaking some form of spanish...(client spoke good spanish) He soon falls into to chatting with them..African Portuguese vs Spanish but they get along ok...yup they are hunting 25km inside moz. Client works out that PH intends either to never send him the tusks or else to fudge the paperwork and declare the ele as shot in Zim (turned out it was the latter - tusks were recovered by Zim Parks).

In the first case, the client paid and complained later. In the second, the client's second signature on the TC's was sufficiently different for the bank to refuse them...

Having been stung for 20k on a Zambezi Valley auction hunt that took 9 years to be resolved I am watching this case with interest!!!

That first example proves just how accurate Andrew McLaren's article is here: http://www.shakariconnection.c...-and-wild-lions.html

I reckon that nowadays, anyone contemplating a Lion hunt anywhere in southern Africa needs to read the article beforehand and take Andrew's advice on post mortem blood samples etc.

Most people have no idea whatsoever how easy it is to have the wool pulled over their eyes on this matter.

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Originally posted by dukxdog:

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:

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I have copies of the travellers checks andwill be forwarding to Boddy.

SBT,

Would it be possible to post those???

Brett

No that won't happen.

Thank you. So what's the status on legal action?

Brett

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Originally posted by Bryan27:
Something tells me that we have not heard the whole story from either side yet.

A friend of mine booked a whitetail hunt in Canada several years ago with an outfitter he had been using for several years and all his clients sung his praises. During the hunt they ran across an exceptional mule deer, not knowing my buddy asked the outfitter about hunting the deer and outfitter said he could take the mule deer instead of whitetail and the tag would cover either one. He ended up bagging the muley, tagged it and flew home to Mississippi waiting on his trophey. A little while later, USFWS show up at his house and start gathering evidence against him.......turns out the outfitter, his trusted friend who could do no wrong, screwed him. He couldn't have guns in his house or hunt for at least two years that I can think of.

I'm not taking sides on this debate, but just because a lot of people have had satisfactory hunts with this PH does not mean that llamapacker is lying or that there isn't more to the story than is in this thread. My biggest question is what are the supposed illegal actions that this PH committed? If I was duped into an illegal hunt, unknowingly to me, I would stiff the outfitter too! Not saying that is the case though.

+1

Something similar happened to me several years ago when I was hunting elk in CO with an outfitter whom it turns out hadn't paid his license fees to the state and was therefore unlicensed. Fish and Wildlife showed up in camp and the hunt was over. Outfitter told us to lie to them and say he wasn't outfitting us, Fish and Wildlife told us we were guilty of a crime for hiring an unlicenced outfitter, etc., etc.

There are a lot of shady operators out there.

Brett I just posted this issue on 1/6/10. It has been up 5 days. I have started the process with what I feel is the best entity to proceed with. That will not require any financial assistance. If the guys who have generously offered to help Nixon with money to retain legal counsel create a financial pool that would be great when it is needed.

I do not want to be the one to hold any money since I have some involvement in the procedure.
I can assure you there is solid evidence. This is not a bogus ordeal. I wish all cards could be laid but I know everyone understands that can't be done. Be patient and I assure you will be advised of the outcome when the time is right.

I have been considering booking a hunt with SSG and am very interested in the outcome of this situation.

I don't know who is lying or missremembering in this situation. I do know that reporting TC's stolen when no theft occurred is a felony. I also know that no one wants the Fish and wildlife service knocking on the door about a Lacey act violation.

Seems to me, these two guys need to get together and seek some sort of amicable resolution. 25k is a lot of money but settling up beats the hell out of going to JAIL!!

One of these guys needs to do THE RIGHT THING, before it's too late.

Adrian

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Originally posted by Adrian Parham:
I have been considering booking a hunt with SSG and am very interested in the outcome of this situation.

I don't know who is lying or missremembering in this situation. I do know that reporting TC's stolen when no theft occurred is a felony. I also know that no one wants the Fish and wildlife service knocking on the door about a Lacey act violation.

Seems to me, these two guys need to get together and seek some sort of amicable resolution. 25k is a lot of money but settling up beats the hell out of going to JAIL!!

ONE of these guys needs to do THE RIGHT THING, before it's too late.

Adrian

Emphasis is mine above, BTW. The stories are so different, I doubt that there is a middle ground of truth, but I've seen stranger things. In any event, having been a lawyer and a judge for a bunch of years I've found the results to almost always be better if the parties could settle differences before the judicial system "forced" a result.

Someone buy me a ticket to Harare and I'll sit down with Llama and Nixon and arbitrate... and use Gato's $5K for a kudu or something while I'm there.

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Originally posted by dukxdog:
Brett I just posted this issue on 1/6/10. It has been up 5 days. I have started the process with what I feel is the best entity to proceed with. That will not require any financial assistance. If the guys who have generously offered to help Nixon with money to retain legal counsel create a financial pool that would be great when it is needed.

I do not want to be the one to hold any money since I have some involvement in the procedure.
I can assure you there is solid evidence. This is not a bogus ordeal. I wish all cards could be laid but I know everyone understands that can't be done. Be patient and I assure you will be advised of the outcome when the time is right.

Sounds reasonable. Thank you.

Brett

Comment on the side issue of how payment is made - on my hunt in Moz 2 years ago I paid a $1,500 deposit before I left. Then after the hunt, I paid with a personal check in camp. I couldn't believe it - but that's what the outfitter actually preferred. I confirmed it in three different emails before I left just to make sure I was reading what he wanted right.

I'm guessing that doesn't happen very often.

I do the same thing on my annual Argentina dove/duck hunt. I was just in Spain hunting ibex. They took my personal check. I have had the same thing in Tanzania once.

Of course, these guys know me but I think they do this routinely. For some reason, which I never understood, they prefer it. I offered to get on my cell and wire the money. It would have been there in minutes. They preferred the check.

Dukxdog,

If William Phifer refuses to settle his debt honorably and you are forced to seek the legal system for justice, I volunteer to set up the legal fund. In addition, I will contribute monies to the fund.

I think that there should be some conditions set: For example,

1. All records of contributions will be available to any AR members to insure that is true and accurate. If anyone wishes to remain anonymous with their donation it will be so noted.

2. If the debt is settled and there are any remaining funds, they must be returned to each contributor via equal percentage.

3. Set the foundation in such a fashion that it can be a tax deduction.

If anyone has any additional ideas regarding the fund, please add your thoughts and ideas.


dale

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Originally posted by daleW:
Dukxdog,

If William Phifer refuses to settle his debt honorably and you are forced to seek the legal system for justice, I volunteer to set up the legal fund. In addition, I will contribute monies to the fund.

I think that there should be some conditions set: For example,

1. All records of contributions will be available to any AR members to insure that is true and accurate. If anyone wishes to remain anonymous with their donation it will be so noted.

2. If the debt is settled and there are any remaining funds, they must be returned to each contributor via equal percentage.

3. Set the foundation in such a fashion that it can be a tax deduction.

If anyone has any additional ideas regarding the fund, please add your thoughts and ideas.


dale

Costs mate.

What happens when at the end of suit a party has an exposure to the cost of the other side ordered?

I don't know the minutiae of US law on costs but would the donors receive any money back if costs were to be awarded from the other side?

I'm a commercial litigator in the UK and would echo judgeG's advice above.

It's always cheaper and better to mediate than litigate, particularly if the issues are, shall we say "muddied" by the circumstances.

How about lpacker? He seems to fit the criteria Sorry, just couldn't pass on the opportunity.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by SBT:
Just back from Dallas, wow! FYI, Bill Phifer's e-mail address is to a university in Utah. I have copies of the travellers checks andwill be forwarding to Boddy. I also have an attorney here in Jackson, WY who is from a nationally recognized firm whom I will be contacting in the next week. He is licensed in UT and also a past WY Game and Fish Commissioner, so he knows the ropes. I'll coordinate with Bobby and see what happens. I too will donate to the SSG legal fund.

We need to get someone to administer this legal fund who is trustworthy. Maybe their contribution could be as a accountant. I know one world famous hunter/accountant (actually runs an accounting firm I think) in Florida who I would trust with the job...