same thing it does right in a DR, but a lot less $$$ involved than with rifled, regulated barrels. See references to the .410/45LC barrels in Contenders. Have somebody cut a mould for an all grease grooves (Loverin style) bullet to keep internal pressures down, and likely top 2,000fps. Accuracy might be decent if you bought a set of rifled chokes from T/C and could regulate them halfway. Winter project for somebody. Get a Baikal hammer model 410 for $300 and get to work.

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

I think RMC has made 3" long 410 brass
for guys, doing a hopping up job. But
you could use 9.3 x 74 in 3" chambered
410 gauge.Get over 2000 like Rich says,
real easy. ED

that would be a lot of fun for hogs up close

Boomie- What do you or others here think
about the big one of the trio.Ed

That is just a frign monster...

I need to post some videos of you shooting it

texas heart shots on grey whales?

tanks?

what is the projected weights an velocities?

I am a mere mortal...shooting that would scare me.

you are a pioneer for shure

That's 8GA From Hell. I figured out how to
make them from 20mm Suzy(Hispano Suiza)
brass. 4.3" long. It should, at pressures like
I use in NEF, used in a break action, be good
for 1200gr at least 2500. Chamber would
be such that regular 8 bores would fire
also The reason I don't have our 4bore in pic calling it a FH case is that it is regular 4bore length. If I could find right brass reasonable and make 4bore longer
say half inch extra long then I'd call it a FH
case. My 2bore case because of long length
probably qualifies.Got to find a moderm
steel barreled 8bore, reasonable..... to
do chamber job on..Ed

Pac Nor's 20mm match is actually .825" I believe. That's pretty close to the true dimension of .835".........

sooooooooo we now have a good source of 8 bore brass???

Mac-Thats neat deal. Maybe down the road
use falling block when I get that far.
I plan on the 2 and 4 bores on falling block
but would like the 8 on a break action,
just to have one. Maybe get heavy action
and if barrel is light use a Pacnor.
Boomie it just a good enough source for
me right now as cases are 15 bucks plus
a lot of work. There are 8ga plastic cases
out there to buy if a guy has to feed a
8ga.Ed

Bet Ed could take some 14.5mm x 114 Soviet Brass, lop the neck off and resize them to .825!! Voila! Le 8 Bore from Ed! (and Boom Stick)

There are a shit load of 14.5mm bolt actions around so that would be easy too!

(repeaters too!)

The 14.5 is too big to shape down to
a 8bore straight case.I have a brass one,
(most in the world are steel), here
necked up to 12ga, with a Bridger 12ga
banded slug in it. The 14.5 could have rim
put on for the small 4bores(.935") like Big
Al's Tula pump, but it was cheaper to have
RMC make them. Ed

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
The 14.5 is too big to shape down to
a 8bore straight case.I have a brass one,
(most in the world are steel), here
necked up to 12ga, with a Bridger 12ga
banded slug in it. The 14.5 could have rim
put on for the small 4bores(.935") like Big
Al's Tula pump, but it was cheaper to have
RMC make them. Ed

True! RMC doesn't go bigger than 4 Bore so I had some made at KFC! Kung Fu Cartridge.........in Hong Kong! My real stuff is made here in a secret mad science laboratory!

Mac is the guy making your cases the
one back east that makes the big turned
cases for blanks and starter cannons.Ed

Ed - All my stuff is made here in San Diego by two different shops that do military stuff. They are four blocks apart and I'm in between them. If you can thunk it and pay for it they will build it and they are fast and VERY high quality. Most of my parts are machined to 4 RMS before I start finishing them.

KFC? Oh, Kung Fu Cartridge! Whew! Not Kentucky Fried Cartridge. What a relief!

Is KFC the maker of the new line of Bear Head Bullets?

Mac-Do they make barrels or actions.Ed

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
Mac-Do they make barrels or actions.Ed

Ed - no they are not an arms manufacturer per se. They do contract machining and prototyping. If you had a CAD drawing of something you want made they would do it for you. Keep in mind that making one falling block action would be stoooopid expensive BUT! if you wanted 20 of them you might be in the money so to speak. If I can help let me know and I will put you in touch.

8ga, we gonna do a couple, first one a test
gun in an Enfield with rear locking lugs.
All locking is in the rear, it is not exactly like my 700HE one, lugs seats gone in the
front like a Mauser shotgun.
May have a way to get barrels 'fast'---
fast being like 2 weeks, from the time I
have money to do it. And only about
150 bucks each.......Am working on it.
In pic you see long case sticking out of
the action, a couple 8ga plastic cases, a
couple of the 8ga kiln slugs, 3 oz and
hardened. Am looking for a slug built like the
Federal 10 ga one that has rounded nose and hollow base, that will fit bores tight.
The barrels I am working deal on will be smoothbore.Ed

Finally my Long Tom.....Ed

How much does that thing weigh Ed? How long is it?

It is 15 lbs-- 35" barrel. May lighten
barrel later. This barrel is smoothbore,
as I got to test a bunch of slugs designed for
smooth with our hairy loads in plastic.Ed

Not that heavy considering it's length. Low earth orbit eese will be concerned if you load some phat shot in that thing!

I going to test smoothbore slugs in 87
like these Brenneke KOs. Many guys are
getting accuracy with these in smooth and
rifled barrels, and I going to see if they
will stay stable with some speed added.Ed

Got an 8ga barrel blank being made now,
will be here end of the week.Found this
info on plastic 8ga kiln gun loads, they
load a frangible 710gr slug at 2300-
for 8300ft lbs, load 1275gr hard slug to
1700, 8100 ft lbs. We will outdo those easy
with our non-shotgun powder loads.Ed

Ed- Whats the max load you've fired through the 87? I still can't get over that action. Never thought it would be strong enough.-Rob

Rob- With 2 & 3/4" plastic in original
short light barrel, 75gr 0f 4227,
giving 600gr slug 1550 fps. Present heavy
long barrel chambered 3" and will be testing
soon. The 3" case holds 90+ gr of 4227.
In guns I'm testing where cases are limited
to 3" that will feed from mag,I'm only going to test with 3"plastic. I fired a couple of
our long cases cut off to 2.40" with 130gr
of H335 and got 600gr to 1700. Had extra
spring on hammer for bmg primers.
But I was leary of that load 335 load in
skinny barrel. I hate skinny barrels....
Although importer had them tested to
over 40k with shotgun powders, plastic
cases, cases pushed out with a rod.

The big comp that took over REM is supposed to
get Marlin/H&R/NEF.
A joking idea, Could you twist their
arm to put 30" barrel on 12ga NEF Ultra Slug
Gun, to go along with the heft.Ed

Hey Ed, is there any chance you could post some closeup pics of your rear locking lugged Enfield?

For inexpensive smooth bore barrels, have you considered 4130 or 4140 DOM tube?
There is quite a wide variety of sizes. I called one place about a 3' section and they wanted to charge me for a whole stick. Said they would have to toss the rest of it in the scrap bin after cutting off my 3' section.
Somebody mentioned a place that specialized in small pieces of steel for hobbyists and only charged for the small pieces. I just don't remember the name. (d*mn CRS)

If I can build a rifling machine those are
the kind of blanks to buy. I also have checked
on seamless 4130 and 4140....Can be gotten
RC 30 hardness, good for barrel strength.
Use smooth or rifle them. Thinking of getting
4bore smooth as I can get slugs for smooth.
1500 gr hollowbase Then all I need is action.
On the Enfield its hard to see, but the bolt
handle base is one by adding a little on back,
and it goes into its notch in action rear,
the other lugs like on the one for 8bore, one is inline with left lug, back to where it turns and locks in front of rear bridge, the other
in line with rt lug turns down and locks in front of casting at rear of mag opening.Ed

Tested 35" smooth barrel in 1887. Got couple
1 oz foster slugs over 2400, with 110gr
of 4227. 3" plastic case, regular primers.
The 28GA FH cases on the way.Chambering
bolt gun for it now..Ed

In the 87 long smooth barrel got
1 oz Brenneke to 2400 with 110gr
of 4227, You could use 4759 and
VV110 also at lesser amounts.
Barrel is cylinder bore size.
Brenneke slugs need no wads as the
locked on wad works good.Ed

In the 87 with long barrel, got 600 gr
Dixie over 2000, got a Buckhammer slug
I took out of factory load over 1900.
Buckhammer and locked on wad is 630
gr. Tested in 3" plastic cases.

The firing pin on the 87 didn't protude out
like I like them to as it comes from factory,
so I removed .015 from the hammer stop.
It fires big and small primers perfect.Ed

Hey Ed, getting ready to do a more practical 12gaFH off of a Savage 210, basically at 28" barrel tapered from 1.25 down to 1", problem is finding someone who could make a barrel like this. Got any suggestions?

Pac-Nor

McGowen

Kreiger

Bartlein

Obermeyer

anyone else who makes barrels

How big is the barrel shank on a Savage 210?

Are you sure you want to be stuffing big high pressure cases into a low pressure shotgun set-up?

Mac- My Savage 210 bolt I run up to 35K psi.
Even though shotgun ,it has 3 front locking
lugs, so it is quite strong. I would be strong enough for 700NE,600NE--And it's long enough
as it handles our 3.87" 12GA fH case.
I'm putting my 700H short case in one
Barrel thread size is 1 & 1/8" and longer
than threads in our Enfields.
Metalsmith--Pacnor can get you barrels and
as part of the price they profile them.
I recommend their 1.35" diameter barrels
that they make and taper it to 1.1" at
the muzzle. That size matches the Savage
action perfect. Don't skimp on the barrel
as you will need weight when she is
touched off as they say.My barrel is 1.5" tapered to 1.3" on 12GA FH and now that
load s are developed the 1.35" size will
do fine....Ed

Have you clued in savage to what you are doing? I am sure they would be impressed...

10GA FH..a NEF 10ga, medium to heavy wt smooth barrel.
28" long, gun weighted to 14lbs. factory FED 765gr loads
are 1300 fps. 200 gr of first powder tested is 7383 surplus
and the regular shotgun primers got 765 gr to 1600,
for 4300 ft lbs. Case won't hold anymore 7383.
We will test 4227 with the same slug , and saboted slug
of some design. The 765 gr Fed slug is hollowbase for
smooth bores. Roll crimped with crimper in drill press.
Case expansion with 7383 very little(.006") like
the factory loads.Ed

Ed,

How big is the mag box on the 210?

Will the bolt face take a 700 NE rim?

The Mag box is only for 3" plastic cases, which are
2.70" when crimped. It could be worked over and
a new box made and bottom opened up, for a
700NE case. 700 Ne rim fits bolt perfect, and the
strength is there for 700NE pressures.Ed

Could just pattern a longer action for 4" COAL 700/577?