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Originally posted by Charlie64:
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I have followed this thread from day one and refrained from commenting thus far perhaps because I have hunted with Andrew a couple of times and found him to be a straight up guy in all my dealings with him.

Yet I do have a couple of comments and one - for me - key question:

1/ In my opinion it is simply dumb to transfer USD 60 k to someone you have never spoken to directly nor looked in the eye that lives in a third world country with a faltering economy, that you have never been to and have no contacts or hold points in

2/ it is then even dumber to put in another USD 20 k for 1 more trophy and 1 more hunter when you are already USD 60 k in. Anyone with more sense than money should have said - I am 60 k in already just make it happen and I will settle the balance on arrival or after the successful hunt!

But the burning question for me is whether the Zambia side - Ibi and / or Andrew - knew that the lion hunt was doomed at the time of asking for the extra 20 k for the buff deposit ? If the answer is yes well then ..... If the answer is no, then maybe there is a shred of reputation that can be saved if this somehow comes right.

I would like to think that was not the case but I believe that this question has not been asked and answered thus far in this hunting tragedy !

And ps. if I was USD 80 k out of pocket, I would have been on a plane to Lusaka by now with USD 5 k in my pocket for a lawyer to draft an acknowledgment of debt and visit three or four banks! And believe me I am not joking on this point!


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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Charlie64:
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I have followed this thread from day one and refrained from commenting thus far perhaps because I have hunted with Andrew a couple of times and found him to be a straight up guy in all my dealings with him.

Yet I do have a couple of comments and one - for me - key question:

1/ In my opinion it is simply dumb to transfer USD 60 k to someone you have never spoken to directly nor looked in the eye that lives in a third world country with a faltering economy, that you have never been to and have no contacts or hold points in

2/ it is then even dumber to put in another USD 20 k for 1 more trophy and 1 more hunter when you are already USD 60 k in. Anyone with more sense than money should have said - I am 60 k in already just make it happen and I will settle the balance on arrival or after the successful hunt!

But the burning question for me is whether the Zambia side - Ibi and / or Andrew - knew that the lion hunt was doomed at the time of asking for the extra 20 k for the buff deposit ? If the answer is yes well then ..... If the answer is no, then maybe there is a shred of reputation that can be saved if this somehow comes right.

I would like to think that was not the case but I believe that this question has not been asked and answered thus far in this hunting tragedy !

And ps. if I was USD 80 k out of pocket, I would have been on a plane to Lusaka by now with USD 5 k in my pocket for a lawyer to draft an acknowledgment of debt and visit three or four banks! And believe me I am not joking on this point!


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I am not sure of all the facts.

And like you, many here would like that question answered.

So far, my own understanding.

The government was going to cancel the licenses and new ones would need to be obtained.

The current owners didn’t care.

They thought because of their political connections everything would just carry on as before.

This did not happen.

May be the wrong politician was bribed.

I understand once this was know, an officer was made to the client to hunt a different area.

The client agreed.

Then somehow afterwards this did not get agreed upon.

He wanted his money back, which he has ever right to.

And should have been refunded immediately.

And the sad saga continues.

Again, I must stress that the above is my understanding, through getting me from different people.

No idea if these are the facts.

Facts are that I wouldn’t be considering hunting in Zambia anytime soon.

They really need to get their act together.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Charlie64:
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I have followed this thread from day one and refrained from commenting thus far perhaps because I have hunted with Andrew a couple of times and found him to be a straight up guy in all my dealings with him.

Yet I do have a couple of comments and one - for me - key question:

1/ In my opinion it is simply dumb to transfer USD 60 k to someone you have never spoken to directly nor looked in the eye that lives in a third world country with a faltering economy, that you have never been to and have no contacts or hold points in

2/ it is then even dumber to put in another USD 20 k for 1 more trophy and 1 more hunter when you are already USD 60 k in. Anyone with more sense than money should have said - I am 60 k in already just make it happen and I will settle the balance on arrival or after the successful hunt!

But the burning question for me is whether the Zambia side - Ibi and / or Andrew - knew that the lion hunt was doomed at the time of asking for the extra 20 k for the buff deposit ? If the answer is yes well then ..... If the answer is no, then maybe there is a shred of reputation that can be saved if this somehow comes right.

I would like to think that was not the case but I believe that this question has not been asked and answered thus far in this hunting tragedy !

And ps. if I was USD 80 k out of pocket, I would have been on a plane to Lusaka by now with USD 5 k in my pocket for a lawyer to draft an acknowledgment of debt and visit three or four banks! And believe me I am not joking on this point!


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I am not sure of all the facts.

And like you, many here would like that question answered.

So far, my own understanding.

The government was going to cancel the licenses and new ones would need to be obtained.

The current owners didn’t care.

They thought because of their political connections everything would just carry on as before.

This did not happen.

May be the wrong politician was bribed.

I understand once this was know, an officer was made to the client to hunt a different area.

The client agreed.

Then somehow afterwards this did not get agreed upon.

He wanted his money back, which he has ever right to.

And should have been refunded immediately.

And the sad saga continues.

Again, I must stress that the above is my understanding, through getting me from different people.

No idea if these are the facts.

Facts are that I wouldn’t be considering hunting in Zambia anytime soon.

They really need to get their act together.

Saeed

The tender under the last Government was scrapped by the new Government and 19 prime areas were put on hold. The subsequent tender saw Ibi get Chanjuzi and much later an injunction was slapped on this concession by a disgruntled third party.

Chanjuzi was not one of the original 19 closed.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Charlie64:
And ps. if I was USD 80 k out of pocket, I would have been on a plane to Lusaka by now with USD 5 k in my pocket for a lawyer to draft an acknowledgment of debt and visit three or four banks! And believe me I am not joking on this point!

. . . good point. Andrew says he has been in court the last month litigating other issues. Has he suggested to or worked with Corey to get legal help in Zambia to help secure the refund of the $80,000? I doubt it. Sounds to me like he doesn’t want to do anything to burn any bridges with Ibi, even if that means leaving Corey hanging.

Mike, you need to check your statements with Cme. Litigation is the last resort and will further delay payments. The only deposit I encouraged was the initial payment to secure the hunt. As a freelance hunter, I recommend a variety of concessions best suited to the client's needs. Chanjuzi was chosen as 19 concessions had been previously closed including those surrounding this concession. I believe all client deposits had been paid by April and I was notified of the Chanjuzi injunction in early June when I was hunting. There was then the process of reshuffling and repayments with Cme being the last. I suggested to Cme that we had ample time to sit it out and hunt later in the season.

Yes if I had the money I would buy the hunt and I can only presume the Operator is experiencing financial difficulties or possibly waiting for the Government to re-award his concession as the injunction has now been lifted.

The Operator informed me that he had reached an agreement with Cme but my interference at this stage would most likely exacerbate proceedings.

I do not work on commissions or inflated trophy fees and rely purely on daily rates and Tips.

Considering the amount of money repaid and Ibi's response to facilitate the transfers to other operators I have no doubt this last debt will be repaid albeit at a later date.

Ibi chose me as his preferred hunter as he had previously had problems with others who had purchased hunts.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Charlie64:
And ps. if I was USD 80 k out of pocket, I would have been on a plane to Lusaka by now with USD 5 k in my pocket for a lawyer to draft an acknowledgment of debt and visit three or four banks! And believe me I am not joking on this point!

. . . good point. Andrew says he has been in court the last month litigating other issues. Has he suggested to or worked with Corey to get legal help in Zambia to help secure the refund of the $80,000? I doubt it. Sounds to me like he doesn’t want to do anything to burn any bridges with Ibi, even if that means leaving Corey hanging.

Mike, you need to check your statements with Cme. Litigation is the last resort and will further delay payments. The only deposit I encouraged was the initial payment to secure the hunt. As a freelance hunter, I recommend a variety of concessions best suited to the client's needs. Chanjuzi was chosen as 19 concessions had been previously closed including those surrounding this concession. I believe all client deposits had been paid by April and I was notified of the Chanjuzi injunction in early June when I was hunting. There was then the process of reshuffling and repayments with Cme being the last. I suggested to Cme that we had ample time to sit it out and hunt later in the season.

Yes if I had the money I would buy the hunt and I can only presume the Operator is experiencing financial difficulties or possibly waiting for the Government to re-award his concession as the injunction has now been lifted.

The Operator informed me that he had reached an agreement with Cme but my interference at this stage would most likely exacerbate proceedings.

I do not work on commissions or inflated trophy fees and rely purely on daily rates and Tips.

Considering the amount of money repaid and Ibi's response to facilitate the transfers to other operators I have no doubt this last debt will be repaid albeit at a later date.

Ibi chose me as his preferred hunter as he had previously had problems with others who had purchased hunts.

So I think what you are really saying is that when push comes to shove, your interest in preserving your relationship with Ibi is far more important than making sure that Corey is repaid in full in a timely manner. You have had ample opportunity to publicly condemn Ibi for not refunding Corey's money or worse, using his money to refund others. Saeed noted a while back that you should refuse to book any more clients in areas controlled by Ibi. You let that comment slide. Why not just publicly state that you find Ibi's actions are dishonorable and unacceptable, that it is inexcusable for him to refuse to refund Corey's money, that you do not intend to book future clients into areas controlled or operated by Ibi given how poorly this has been handled, etc.? Let's be honest, Corey's interests are clearly subservient to the desire to preserve the relationship with Ibi prospectively.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Charlie64:
And ps. if I was USD 80 k out of pocket, I would have been on a plane to Lusaka by now with USD 5 k in my pocket for a lawyer to draft an acknowledgment of debt and visit three or four banks! And believe me I am not joking on this point!

. . . good point. Andrew says he has been in court the last month litigating other issues. Has he suggested to or worked with Corey to get legal help in Zambia to help secure the refund of the $80,000? I doubt it. Sounds to me like he doesn’t want to do anything to burn any bridges with Ibi, even if that means leaving Corey hanging.

Mike, you need to check your statements with Cme. Litigation is the last resort and will further delay payments. The only deposit I encouraged was the initial payment to secure the hunt. As a freelance hunter, I recommend a variety of concessions best suited to the client's needs. Chanjuzi was chosen as 19 concessions had been previously closed including those surrounding this concession. I believe all client deposits had been paid by April and I was notified of the Chanjuzi injunction in early June when I was hunting. There was then the process of reshuffling and repayments with Cme being the last. I suggested to Cme that we had ample time to sit it out and hunt later in the season.

Yes if I had the money I would buy the hunt and I can only presume the Operator is experiencing financial difficulties or possibly waiting for the Government to re-award his concession as the injunction has now been lifted.

The Operator informed me that he had reached an agreement with Cme but my interference at this stage would most likely exacerbate proceedings.

I do not work on commissions or inflated trophy fees and rely purely on daily rates and Tips.

Considering the amount of money repaid and Ibi's response to facilitate the transfers to other operators I have no doubt this last debt will be repaid albeit at a later date.

Ibi chose me as his preferred hunter as he had previously had problems with others who had purchased hunts.

So I think what you are really saying is that when push comes to shove, your interest in preserving your relationship with Ibi is far more important than making sure that Corey is repaid in full in a timely manner. You have had ample opportunity to publicly condemn Ibi for not refunding Corey's money or worse, using his money to refund others. Saeed noted a while back that you should refuse to book any more clients in areas controlled by Ibi. You let that comment slide. Why not just publicly state that you find Ibi's actions are dishonorable and unacceptable, that it is inexcusable for him to refuse to refund Corey's money, that you do not intend to book future clients into areas controlled or operated by Ibi given how poorly this has been handled, etc.? Let's be honest, Corey's interests are clearly subservient to the desire to preserve the relationship with Ibi prospectively.

Mike you do not know this country and it is not wise to make enemies in any sector of this environment

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Originally posted by fairgame:
The tender under the last Government was scrapped by the new Government and 19 prime areas were put on hold. The subsequent tender saw Ibi get Chanjuzi and much later an injunction was slapped on this concession by a disgruntled third party.

Chanjuzi was not one of the original 19 closed.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Charlie64:
And ps. if I was USD 80 k out of pocket, I would have been on a plane to Lusaka by now with USD 5 k in my pocket for a lawyer to draft an acknowledgment of debt and visit three or four banks! And believe me I am not joking on this point!

. . . good point. Andrew says he has been in court the last month litigating other issues. Has he suggested to or worked with Corey to get legal help in Zambia to help secure the refund of the $80,000? I doubt it. Sounds to me like he doesn’t want to do anything to burn any bridges with Ibi, even if that means leaving Corey hanging.

Mike, you need to check your statements with Cme. Litigation is the last resort and will further delay payments. The only deposit I encouraged was the initial payment to secure the hunt. As a freelance hunter, I recommend a variety of concessions best suited to the client's needs. Chanjuzi was chosen as 19 concessions had been previously closed including those surrounding this concession. I believe all client deposits had been paid by April and I was notified of the Chanjuzi injunction in early June when I was hunting. There was then the process of reshuffling and repayments with Cme being the last. I suggested to Cme that we had ample time to sit it out and hunt later in the season.

Yes if I had the money I would buy the hunt and I can only presume the Operator is experiencing financial difficulties or possibly waiting for the Government to re-award his concession as the injunction has now been lifted.

The Operator informed me that he had reached an agreement with Cme but my interference at this stage would most likely exacerbate proceedings.

I do not work on commissions or inflated trophy fees and rely purely on daily rates and Tips.

Considering the amount of money repaid and Ibi's response to facilitate the transfers to other operators I have no doubt this last debt will be repaid albeit at a later date.

Ibi chose me as his preferred hunter as he had previously had problems with others who had purchased hunts.

So I think what you are really saying is that when push comes to shove, your interest in preserving your relationship with Ibi is far more important than making sure that Corey is repaid in full in a timely manner. You have had ample opportunity to publicly condemn Ibi for not refunding Corey's money or worse, using his money to refund others. Saeed noted a while back that you should refuse to book any more clients in areas controlled by Ibi. You let that comment slide. Why not just publicly state that you find Ibi's actions are dishonorable and unacceptable, that it is inexcusable for him to refuse to refund Corey's money, that you do not intend to book future clients into areas controlled or operated by Ibi given how poorly this has been handled, etc.? Let's be honest, Corey's interests are clearly subservient to the desire to preserve the relationship with Ibi prospectively.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Charlie64:
And ps. if I was USD 80 k out of pocket, I would have been on a plane to Lusaka by now with USD 5 k in my pocket for a lawyer to draft an acknowledgment of debt and visit three or four banks! And believe me I am not joking on this point!

. . . good point. Andrew says he has been in court the last month litigating other issues. Has he suggested to or worked with Corey to get legal help in Zambia to help secure the refund of the $80,000? I doubt it. Sounds to me like he doesn’t want to do anything to burn any bridges with Ibi, even if that means leaving Corey hanging.

Mike, you need to check your statements with Cme. Litigation is the last resort and will further delay payments. The only deposit I encouraged was the initial payment to secure the hunt. As a freelance hunter, I recommend a variety of concessions best suited to the client's needs. Chanjuzi was chosen as 19 concessions had been previously closed including those surrounding this concession. I believe all client deposits had been paid by April and I was notified of the Chanjuzi injunction in early June when I was hunting. There was then the process of reshuffling and repayments with Cme being the last. I suggested to Cme that we had ample time to sit it out and hunt later in the season.

Yes if I had the money I would buy the hunt and I can only presume the Operator is experiencing financial difficulties or possibly waiting for the Government to re-award his concession as the injunction has now been lifted.

The Operator informed me that he had reached an agreement with Cme but my interference at this stage would most likely exacerbate proceedings.

I do not work on commissions or inflated trophy fees and rely purely on daily rates and Tips.

Considering the amount of money repaid and Ibi's response to facilitate the transfers to other operators I have no doubt this last debt will be repaid albeit at a later date.

Ibi chose me as his preferred hunter as he had previously had problems with others who had purchased hunts.

So I think what you are really saying is that when push comes to shove, your interest in preserving your relationship with Ibi is far more important than making sure that Corey is repaid in full in a timely manner. You have had ample opportunity to publicly condemn Ibi for not refunding Corey's money or worse, using his money to refund others. Saeed noted a while back that you should refuse to book any more clients in areas controlled by Ibi. You let that comment slide. Why not just publicly state that you find Ibi's actions are dishonorable and unacceptable, that it is inexcusable for him to refuse to refund Corey's money, that you do not intend to book future clients into areas controlled or operated by Ibi given how poorly this has been handled, etc.? Let's be honest, Corey's interests are clearly subservient to the desire to preserve the relationship with Ibi prospectively.

Mike you do not know this country and it is not wise to make enemies in any sector of this environment

Just going to preserve that last statement against future editing.

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Originally posted by Cardinal:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
The tender under the last Government was scrapped by the new Government and 19 prime areas were put on hold. The subsequent tender saw Ibi get Chanjuzi and much later an injunction was slapped on this concession by a disgruntled third party.

Chanjuzi was not one of the original 19 closed.

Could you please clarify something:

1: At what date were you for first time informed of a potential problem about the concession
2: At what date were you informed of the concession was closed and the hunt was off?
3: At what date were the client informed of the problems?
4: When was he informed that the concession was officially closed and hun was off?

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Originally posted by fairgame:
New member catch up with the thread

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Originally posted by Cardinal:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
New member catch up with the thread

I will take that as you dont want to post the exact dates as you know it will not be favourably for you. If they had lined up, it could/would have improved the perception of your handeling of the situation.
But you refuse to answer as expected.


And I have read the threads. And I joined the forum before you did. Just dont post much.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Because they have not posted enough .

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Charlie64:
And ps. if I was USD 80 k out of pocket, I would have been on a plane to Lusaka by now with USD 5 k in my pocket for a lawyer to draft an acknowledgment of debt and visit three or four banks! And believe me I am not joking on this point!

. . . good point. Andrew says he has been in court the last month litigating other issues. Has he suggested to or worked with Corey to get legal help in Zambia to help secure the refund of the $80,000? I doubt it. Sounds to me like he doesn’t want to do anything to burn any bridges with Ibi, even if that means leaving Corey hanging.

Mike, you need to check your statements with Cme. Litigation is the last resort and will further delay payments. The only deposit I encouraged was the initial payment to secure the hunt. As a freelance hunter, I recommend a variety of concessions best suited to the client's needs. Chanjuzi was chosen as 19 concessions had been previously closed including those surrounding this concession. I believe all client deposits had been paid by April and I was notified of the Chanjuzi injunction in early June when I was hunting. There was then the process of reshuffling and repayments with Cme being the last. I suggested to Cme that we had ample time to sit it out and hunt later in the season.

Yes if I had the money I would buy the hunt and I can only presume the Operator is experiencing financial difficulties or possibly waiting for the Government to re-award his concession as the injunction has now been lifted.

The Operator informed me that he had reached an agreement with Cme but my interference at this stage would most likely exacerbate proceedings.

I do not work on commissions or inflated trophy fees and rely purely on daily rates and Tips.

Considering the amount of money repaid and Ibi's response to facilitate the transfers to other operators I have no doubt this last debt will be repaid albeit at a later date.

Ibi chose me as his preferred hunter as he had previously had problems with others who had purchased hunts.

So I think what you are really saying is that when push comes to shove, your interest in preserving your relationship with Ibi is far more important than making sure that Corey is repaid in full in a timely manner. You have had ample opportunity to publicly condemn Ibi for not refunding Corey's money or worse, using his money to refund others. Saeed noted a while back that you should refuse to book any more clients in areas controlled by Ibi. You let that comment slide. Why not just publicly state that you find Ibi's actions are dishonorable and unacceptable, that it is inexcusable for him to refuse to refund Corey's money, that you do not intend to book future clients into areas controlled or operated by Ibi given how poorly this has been handled, etc.? Let's be honest, Corey's interests are clearly subservient to the desire to preserve the relationship with Ibi prospectively.

Mike you do not know this country and it is not wise to make enemies in any sector of this environment

Just going to preserve that last statement against future editing.

You do that Todd and what did I edit? and will edit this further to say Hartebeest are red and Wildebeest are blue you go fuck yourself and I will to

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Because they have not posted enough .

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Originally posted by Hasher:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Charlie64:
And ps. if I was USD 80 k out of pocket, I would have been on a plane to Lusaka by now with USD 5 k in my pocket for a lawyer to draft an acknowledgment of debt and visit three or four banks! And believe me I am not joking on this point!

. . . good point. Andrew says he has been in court the last month litigating other issues. Has he suggested to or worked with Corey to get legal help in Zambia to help secure the refund of the $80,000? I doubt it. Sounds to me like he doesn’t want to do anything to burn any bridges with Ibi, even if that means leaving Corey hanging.

Mike, you need to check your statements with Cme. Litigation is the last resort and will further delay payments. The only deposit I encouraged was the initial payment to secure the hunt. As a freelance hunter, I recommend a variety of concessions best suited to the client's needs. Chanjuzi was chosen as 19 concessions had been previously closed including those surrounding this concession. I believe all client deposits had been paid by April and I was notified of the Chanjuzi injunction in early June when I was hunting. There was then the process of reshuffling and repayments with Cme being the last. I suggested to Cme that we had ample time to sit it out and hunt later in the season.

Yes if I had the money I would buy the hunt and I can only presume the Operator is experiencing financial difficulties or possibly waiting for the Government to re-award his concession as the injunction has now been lifted.

The Operator informed me that he had reached an agreement with Cme but my interference at this stage would most likely exacerbate proceedings.

I do not work on commissions or inflated trophy fees and rely purely on daily rates and Tips.

Considering the amount of money repaid and Ibi's response to facilitate the transfers to other operators I have no doubt this last debt will be repaid albeit at a later date.

Ibi chose me as his preferred hunter as he had previously had problems with others who had purchased hunts.

So I think what you are really saying is that when push comes to shove, your interest in preserving your relationship with Ibi is far more important than making sure that Corey is repaid in full in a timely manner. You have had ample opportunity to publicly condemn Ibi for not refunding Corey's money or worse, using his money to refund others. Saeed noted a while back that you should refuse to book any more clients in areas controlled by Ibi. You let that comment slide. Why not just publicly state that you find Ibi's actions are dishonorable and unacceptable, that it is inexcusable for him to refuse to refund Corey's money, that you do not intend to book future clients into areas controlled or operated by Ibi given how poorly this has been handled, etc.? Let's be honest, Corey's interests are clearly subservient to the desire to preserve the relationship with Ibi prospectively.

Mike you do not know this country and it is not wise to make enemies in any sector of this environment

Just going to preserve that last statement against future editing.

You do that Todd and what did I edit? and will edit this further to say Hartebeest are red and Wildebeest are blue you go fuck yourself and I will to

Good to see you are keeping it classy.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Hasher:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Charlie64:
And ps. if I was USD 80 k out of pocket, I would have been on a plane to Lusaka by now with USD 5 k in my pocket for a lawyer to draft an acknowledgment of debt and visit three or four banks! And believe me I am not joking on this point!

. . . good point. Andrew says he has been in court the last month litigating other issues. Has he suggested to or worked with Corey to get legal help in Zambia to help secure the refund of the $80,000? I doubt it. Sounds to me like he doesn’t want to do anything to burn any bridges with Ibi, even if that means leaving Corey hanging.

Mike, you need to check your statements with Cme. Litigation is the last resort and will further delay payments. The only deposit I encouraged was the initial payment to secure the hunt. As a freelance hunter, I recommend a variety of concessions best suited to the client's needs. Chanjuzi was chosen as 19 concessions had been previously closed including those surrounding this concession. I believe all client deposits had been paid by April and I was notified of the Chanjuzi injunction in early June when I was hunting. There was then the process of reshuffling and repayments with Cme being the last. I suggested to Cme that we had ample time to sit it out and hunt later in the season.

Yes if I had the money I would buy the hunt and I can only presume the Operator is experiencing financial difficulties or possibly waiting for the Government to re-award his concession as the injunction has now been lifted.

The Operator informed me that he had reached an agreement with Cme but my interference at this stage would most likely exacerbate proceedings.

I do not work on commissions or inflated trophy fees and rely purely on daily rates and Tips.

Considering the amount of money repaid and Ibi's response to facilitate the transfers to other operators I have no doubt this last debt will be repaid albeit at a later date.

Ibi chose me as his preferred hunter as he had previously had problems with others who had purchased hunts.

So I think what you are really saying is that when push comes to shove, your interest in preserving your relationship with Ibi is far more important than making sure that Corey is repaid in full in a timely manner. You have had ample opportunity to publicly condemn Ibi for not refunding Corey's money or worse, using his money to refund others. Saeed noted a while back that you should refuse to book any more clients in areas controlled by Ibi. You let that comment slide. Why not just publicly state that you find Ibi's actions are dishonorable and unacceptable, that it is inexcusable for him to refuse to refund Corey's money, that you do not intend to book future clients into areas controlled or operated by Ibi given how poorly this has been handled, etc.? Let's be honest, Corey's interests are clearly subservient to the desire to preserve the relationship with Ibi prospectively.

Mike you do not know this country and it is not wise to make enemies in any sector of this environment

Just going to preserve that last statement against future editing.

You do that Todd and what did I edit? and will edit this further to say Hartebeest are red and Wildebeest are blue you go fuck yourself and I will to

Good to see you are keeping it classy.

Poetic.

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Originally posted by bcap:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Charlie64:
And ps. if I was USD 80 k out of pocket, I would have been on a plane to Lusaka by now with USD 5 k in my pocket for a lawyer to draft an acknowledgment of debt and visit three or four banks! And believe me I am not joking on this point!

. . . good point. Andrew says he has been in court the last month litigating other issues. Has he suggested to or worked with Corey to get legal help in Zambia to help secure the refund of the $80,000? I doubt it. Sounds to me like he doesn’t want to do anything to burn any bridges with Ibi, even if that means leaving Corey hanging.

Mike, you need to check your statements with Cme. Litigation is the last resort and will further delay payments. The only deposit I encouraged was the initial payment to secure the hunt. As a freelance hunter, I recommend a variety of concessions best suited to the client's needs. Chanjuzi was chosen as 19 concessions had been previously closed including those surrounding this concession. I believe all client deposits had been paid by April and I was notified of the Chanjuzi injunction in early June when I was hunting. There was then the process of reshuffling and repayments with Cme being the last. I suggested to Cme that we had ample time to sit it out and hunt later in the season.

Yes if I had the money I would buy the hunt and I can only presume the Operator is experiencing financial difficulties or possibly waiting for the Government to re-award his concession as the injunction has now been lifted.

The Operator informed me that he had reached an agreement with Cme but my interference at this stage would most likely exacerbate proceedings.

I do not work on commissions or inflated trophy fees and rely purely on daily rates and Tips.

Considering the amount of money repaid and Ibi's response to facilitate the transfers to other operators I have no doubt this last debt will be repaid albeit at a later date.

Ibi chose me as his preferred hunter as he had previously had problems with others who had purchased hunts.

So I think what you are really saying is that when push comes to shove, your interest in preserving your relationship with Ibi is far more important than making sure that Corey is repaid in full in a timely manner. You have had ample opportunity to publicly condemn Ibi for not refunding Corey's money or worse, using his money to refund others. Saeed noted a while back that you should refuse to book any more clients in areas controlled by Ibi. You let that comment slide. Why not just publicly state that you find Ibi's actions are dishonorable and unacceptable, that it is inexcusable for him to refuse to refund Corey's money, that you do not intend to book future clients into areas controlled or operated by Ibi given how poorly this has been handled, etc.? Let's be honest, Corey's interests are clearly subservient to the desire to preserve the relationship with Ibi prospectively.

Yes talking shit about place owing refund will for sure get the hunters money back just like starting a lawsuit would. For some of you who think you know africa so well you sure stay stupid stuff.

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And ps. if I was USD 80 k out of pocket, I would have been on a plane to Lusaka by now with USD 5 k in my pocket for a lawyer to draft an acknowledgment of debt and visit three or four banks! And believe me I am not joking on this point!

. . . good point. Andrew says he has been in court the last month litigating other issues. Has he suggested to or worked with Corey to get legal help in Zambia to help secure the refund of the $80,000? I doubt it. Sounds to me like he doesn’t want to do anything to burn any bridges with Ibi, even if that means leaving Corey hanging.

Mike, you need to check your statements with Cme. Litigation is the last resort and will further delay payments. The only deposit I encouraged was the initial payment to secure the hunt. As a freelance hunter, I recommend a variety of concessions best suited to the client's needs. Chanjuzi was chosen as 19 concessions had been previously closed including those surrounding this concession. I believe all client deposits had been paid by April and I was notified of the Chanjuzi injunction in early June when I was hunting. There was then the process of reshuffling and repayments with Cme being the last. I suggested to Cme that we had ample time to sit it out and hunt later in the season.

Yes if I had the money I would buy the hunt and I can only presume the Operator is experiencing financial difficulties or possibly waiting for the Government to re-award his concession as the injunction has now been lifted.

The Operator informed me that he had reached an agreement with Cme but my interference at this stage would most likely exacerbate proceedings.

I do not work on commissions or inflated trophy fees and rely purely on daily rates and Tips.

Considering the amount of money repaid and Ibi's response to facilitate the transfers to other operators I have no doubt this last debt will be repaid albeit at a later date.

Ibi chose me as his preferred hunter as he had previously had problems with others who had purchased hunts.

So I think what you are really saying is that when push comes to shove, your interest in preserving your relationship with Ibi is far more important than making sure that Corey is repaid in full in a timely manner. You have had ample opportunity to publicly condemn Ibi for not refunding Corey's money or worse, using his money to refund others. Saeed noted a while back that you should refuse to book any more clients in areas controlled by Ibi. You let that comment slide. Why not just publicly state that you find Ibi's actions are dishonorable and unacceptable, that it is inexcusable for him to refuse to refund Corey's money, that you do not intend to book future clients into areas controlled or operated by Ibi given how poorly this has been handled, etc.? Let's be honest, Corey's interests are clearly subservient to the desire to preserve the relationship with Ibi prospectively.

Mike you do not know this country and it is not wise to make enemies in any sector of this environment

Just going to preserve that last statement against future editing.

You do that Todd and what did I edit? and will edit this further to say Hartebeest are red and Wildebeest are blue you go fuck yourself and I will to

Good to see you are keeping it classy.

Poetic.

Here is what's poetic.

You ask "what did I edit?", then in the very next sentence say "and will edit this further to say ...". Fucking laughable Andrew.

And the reason I captured the comment in the first place, guarding against further editing, is I wanted to prevent you editing your post once you realized you just admitted that maintaining business relationships with a crook are more important to you than preserving your character and reputation by disavowing future business with him. Again, fucking laughable. I can only assume the ad hoc GFY comments are a result of you realizing what you said in this regard and having it preserved for posterity.

I would ordinarily tell you to GFY as well, but you've already done that with this entire fiasco. You really should stop while you're ahead.

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It’s been about three weeks since I last asked, has Andrew’s client received his $80,000 refund?

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It’s been about three weeks since I last asked, has Andrew’s client received his $80,000 refund?

Can you contact Cme directly and ask him and maybe enquire about the agreement they have agreed upon?

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It’s been about three weeks since I last asked, has Andrew’s client received his $80,000 refund?

Can you contact Cme directly and ask him and maybe enquire about the agreement they have agreed upon?

No, I cannot, as Saeed stated earlier in this discussion, anything relevant should be posted in the public forum.

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It’s been about three weeks since I last asked, has Andrew’s client received his $80,000 refund?

Can you contact Cme directly and ask him and maybe enquire about the agreement they have agreed upon?

No, I cannot, as Saeed stated earlier in this discussion, anything relevant should be posted in the public forum.

Wow you asked and did not get an answer. Hope the world does not stop now. Some of you really do think alot of yourselves.

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It’s been about three weeks since I last asked, has Andrew’s client received his $80,000 refund?

Can you contact Cme directly and ask him and maybe enquire about the agreement they have agreed upon?

No, I cannot, as Saeed stated earlier in this discussion, anything relevant should be posted in the public forum.

Wow you asked and did not get an answer. Hope the world does not stop now. Some of you really do think alot of yourselves.

That is a weird post. I don’t remember stating any of the things you are listing. All I am asking is if Andrew’s client got the $80,000 he was screwed out of when he bought a nonexistent hunt.

I’m not sure why that bothers you unless you were one of the people who was refunded with those funds.

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It’s been about three weeks since I last asked, has Andrew’s client received his $80,000 refund?

Can you contact Cme directly and ask him and maybe enquire about the agreement they have agreed upon?

No, I cannot, as Saeed stated earlier in this discussion, anything relevant should be posted in the public forum.

Wow you asked and did not get an answer. Hope the world does not stop now. Some of you really do think alot of yourselves.

That is a weird post. I don’t remember stating any of the things you are listing. All I am asking is if Andrew’s client got the $80,000 he was screwed out of when he bought a nonexistent hunt.

I’m not sure why that bothers you unless you were one of the people who was refunded with those funds.

What proof do you have that the hunt was sold when it was known it would never happen?

I think we are getting way out of the truth here.

The hunt was sold in an area that was not under any questions.

The problems occurred after all was agreed.

Or have I misunderstood this?

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And, from what I understand, the client agreed to a change of place??!!

All these questions were raised before, and I cannot recall reading any answers to them.


BUT, BUT, BUT, where is the refund??

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Hi CME, did you question Ibrahim Nkonde as to why you needed to pay $60K upfront?

Seems the 60k was the entire hunt price. Most clients will only pay a % of the hunt upfront to secure it. Did you question this?

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Hi CME, did you question Ibrahim Nkonde as to why you needed to pay $60K upfront?

Seems the 60k was the entire hunt price. Most clients will only pay a % of the hunt upfront to secure it. Did you question this?

Well in my limited experience and based on what others on here have experienced it seems as though paying 100% of day rates prior to the hunt is commonplace.

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Hi CME, did you question Ibrahim Nkonde as to why you needed to pay $60K upfront?

Seems the 60k was the entire hunt price. Most clients will only pay a % of the hunt upfront to secure it. Did you question this?

Well in my limited experience and based on what others on here have experienced it seems as though paying 100% of day rates prior to the hunt is commonplace.

It is.

And it works most of the times.

Until some unfortunate person deals with a crook.

I am very sorry for what is happening to you, you certainly don’t deserve it.

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And, from what I understand, the client agreed to a change of place??!!

All these questions were raised before, and I cannot recall reading any answers to them.


BUT, BUT, BUT, where is the refund??

That is incorrect, I didn’t agree to move to a different area. I was offered a change in venue run by a new outfitter. (Only after I had questioned why other clients were offered replacement hunts and I had not been offered one.). Another deposit was needed so I quickly said no. Instead of throwing shit against a wall and hoping it sticks you can just ask me what happened?

Fairgame, please stop acting like there is an agreement with the outfitter. If you were really working to resolve this you wouldn’t be asking me for updates on the matter.

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I think he tells you what you want to hear. The only agreement we have is a whats app message stating he will pay me back. I have only heard that since June.

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It’s been about three weeks since I last asked, has Andrew’s client received his $80,000 refund?

Can you contact Cme directly and ask him and maybe enquire about the agreement they have agreed upon?

No, I cannot, as Saeed stated earlier in this discussion, anything relevant should be posted in the public forum.

Wow you asked and did not get an answer. Hope the world does not stop now. Some of you really do think alot of yourselves.

That is a weird post. I don’t remember stating any of the things you are listing. All I am asking is if Andrew’s client got the $80,000 he was screwed out of when he bought a nonexistent hunt.

I’m not sure why that bothers you unless you were one of the people who was refunded with those funds.

What proof do you have that the hunt was sold when it was known it would never happen?

I think we are getting way out of the truth here.

The hunt was sold in an area that was not under any questions.

The problems occurred after all was agreed.

Or have I misunderstood this?

As I recall, at bare minimum, the upgrade to add the father was after it was clear there were issues with the area.