Those greedy crooks are cutting their noses to spite the faces!

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Originally posted by FMC:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
How come several people here are having problems with hunting in Zambia?

I know Andrew never had anyone hunting with him complaining.

In fact every who hunts with comes back with nothing but praise!

Saeed...Zambia's Prime blocks have been closed now for 2 seasons due to the Governments inability to manage/allocate hunting areas. This I believe is indirectly responsible for all of this.

I still don't believe what I am hearing about the block allocation in 24' until I see it in print.

This seems to be a recurring issue going back many years in Zambia.

To date, no operator in Zambia has a quota

Not a good situation with DSC starting tomorrow.

"All signed in lusaka today, we back and our areas are signed and we are hunting!!!"

Was forwarded to me Thursday.

All GMA's ?

So now is everyone comfortable going to DSC and putting down tens of thousands while bypassing other opportunities based on what you read on a forum somewhere?

Valid point .

Did he get his refund yet?

No

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
So now is everyone comfortable going to DSC and putting down tens of thousands while bypassing other opportunities based on what you read on a forum somewhere?

Big question!

But, if my understanding is correct, as long as concessions are approved, and quota is issued, there should be no problems.

Ami right?

Problems arose because concession agreements ended.

And no new ones were forthcoming, but outfitters sold hunts hoping for the best?

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Originally posted by FMC:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
How come several people here are having problems with hunting in Zambia?

I know Andrew never had anyone hunting with him complaining.

In fact every who hunts with comes back with nothing but praise!

Saeed...Zambia's Prime blocks have been closed now for 2 seasons due to the Governments inability to manage/allocate hunting areas. This I believe is indirectly responsible for all of this.

I still don't believe what I am hearing about the block allocation in 24' until I see it in print.

This seems to be a recurring issue going back many years in Zambia.

To date, no operator in Zambia has a quota

Not a good situation with DSC starting tomorrow.

"All signed in lusaka today, we back and our areas are signed and we are hunting!!!"

Was forwarded to me Thursday.

I heard four had signed reverting back to the original tender.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by FMC:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
How come several people here are having problems with hunting in Zambia?

I know Andrew never had anyone hunting with him complaining.

In fact every who hunts with comes back with nothing but praise!

Saeed...Zambia's Prime blocks have been closed now for 2 seasons due to the Governments inability to manage/allocate hunting areas. This I believe is indirectly responsible for all of this.

I still don't believe what I am hearing about the block allocation in 24' until I see it in print.

This seems to be a recurring issue going back many years in Zambia.

To date, no operator in Zambia has a quota

Not a good situation with DSC starting tomorrow.

"All signed in lusaka today, we back and our areas are signed and we are hunting!!!"

Was forwarded to me Thursday.

I heard four had signed reverting back to the original tender.

Did the crook who refuses to pay back the money get a concession too?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by FMC:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
How come several people here are having problems with hunting in Zambia?

I know Andrew never had anyone hunting with him complaining.

In fact every who hunts with comes back with nothing but praise!

Saeed...Zambia's Prime blocks have been closed now for 2 seasons due to the Governments inability to manage/allocate hunting areas. This I believe is indirectly responsible for all of this.

I still don't believe what I am hearing about the block allocation in 24' until I see it in print.

This seems to be a recurring issue going back many years in Zambia.

To date, no operator in Zambia has a quota

Not a good situation with DSC starting tomorrow.

"All signed in lusaka today, we back and our areas are signed and we are hunting!!!"

Was forwarded to me Thursday.

I heard four had signed reverting back to the original tender.

Did the crook who refuses to pay back the money get a concession too?

Not sure as details are a little sketchy but we will soon find out

I hope no one books with him before he pays up!

I REALLY dislike crooks!

I personally hope that someone books with him so that he can actually pay up. Obviously he cannot pay up with the way things are currently.

Brutal, but I understand from someone wearing “Paul’s boots”

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by dogcat:
What??? You recommend legal action??? Against yourself????

This is an alternate universe.....

Make this right and do it now.

Did not you get screwed by a Zambian operator and had to pay out? You had little option to make it right I believe?

Yes I did. Fico Vidale.
My agent -Jeff Neal made me whole.

And the Rashid fiasco?

Was
He paid
Today ???

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by FMC:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
How come several people here are having problems with hunting in Zambia?

I know Andrew never had anyone hunting with him complaining.

In fact every who hunts with comes back with nothing but praise!

Saeed...Zambia's Prime blocks have been closed now for 2 seasons due to the Governments inability to manage/allocate hunting areas. This I believe is indirectly responsible for all of this.

I still don't believe what I am hearing about the block allocation in 24' until I see it in print.

This seems to be a recurring issue going back many years in Zambia.

To date, no operator in Zambia has a quota

Not a good situation with DSC starting tomorrow.

"All signed in lusaka today, we back and our areas are signed and we are hunting!!!"

Was forwarded to me Thursday.

I heard four had signed reverting back to the original tender.

Did the crook who refuses to pay back the money get a concession too?

Not sure as details are a little sketchy but we will soon find out

That’s the problem with Zambia, details are always sketchy! I have not heard any GMA’s and/or specific awards listed as yet. I remember back in the 90’s Zambia outfitters were at the conventions with no areas and/or quotas.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by dogcat:
What??? You recommend legal action??? Against yourself????

This is an alternate universe.....

Make this right and do it now.

Did not you get screwed by a Zambian operator and had to pay out? You had little option to make it right I believe?

Yes I did. Fico Vidale.
My agent -Jeff Neal made me whole.

And the Rashid fiasco?

That was a $7500 bad lesson for the outfitter. He got hosed by Rashid Rancine. I did not lose any money. Rasheed took his money, not mine.

The more I read of this idiocy, the less I’m inclined to hunt Zambia. Makes TZ look like a first world country!

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Originally posted by jdollar:
The more I read of this idiocy, the less I’m inclined to hunt Zambia. Makes TZ look like a first world country!

True.

But, there are crooks in Tanzania too.

Careful who you hunt with.

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Originally posted by Cme:
I personally hope that someone books with him so that he can actually pay up. Obviously he cannot pay up with the way things are currently.

That is how it works, unfortunately.

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Originally posted by Bwanamich:

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Originally posted by Cme:
I personally hope that someone books with him so that he can actually pay up. Obviously he cannot pay up with the way things are currently.

That is how it works, unfortunately.

BM -

I get it that is how it works.

However....I ran an industrial supply business for 30 years before selling it. With that business, I was able to hunt just about every species in Africa, many, numerous times.

I've fished all over the planet, been a very VERY fortunate man.

But not one single time did I ever tell a supplier "I will pay you when I get paid for XYZ." I always came last.

But as I said, I get it. It just doesn't fly with me. (or probably ANY other businessman here)

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But as I said, I get it. It just doesn't fly with me. (or probably ANY other businessman here

I agree 100%! In the twenty years I was in the electrical contracting business I ALWAYS paid before I got paid. Matter of fact I paid my suppliers early for the 2% discount and it also got me better pricing.

Employees were paid before I got paid and suppliers got paid before o got paid.

Has there been any African country that hasn't screwed over their hunters? Last minute changes in fees, quota, concessions or canceling hunting seasons altogether?

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Originally posted by Ongwe:
Has there been any African country that hasn't screwed over their hunters? Last minute changes in fees, quota, concessions or canceling hunting seasons altogether?

No.

It is called Africa always wins!

Anyone seen a listing of the awarded GMA’s yet?

Didn’t think so!

My understanding is those involved in the lawsuit received and signed their contracts (at least 4 of 5 known, the last one should have signed last week) 7 year leases. Now the big issue is what will happen next as the Supreme Court invalidated the previous contentious contract(s). Will those concessions now be reopened for tender as the should, now being illegal???? Again, the 5 who sued and won are signed and good to go.

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Originally posted by FMC:
My understanding is those involved in the lawsuit received and signed their contracts (at least 4 of 5 known, the last one should have signed last week) 7 year leases. Now the big issue is what will happen next as the Supreme Court invalidated the previous contentious contract(s). Will those concessions now be reopened for tender as the should, now being illegal???? Again, the 5 who sued and won are signed and good to go.

Kasonso Busanga back to the Cuturi’s hopefully?

Does Ibi have his area?

Zambia sounds like a goat f&@k.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Does Ibi have his area?

Zambia sounds like a goat f&@k.

He did not

Peter Chipman got his 3 areas back
Ntengu (Cuturi) got Kasonso back
I believe there is one more area but not Ibi’s

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Does Ibi have his area?

Zambia sounds like a goat f&@k.

He did not

Peter Chipman got his 3 areas back
Ntengu (Cuturi) got Kasonso back
I believe there is one more area but not Ibi’s

Then I guess Cme is SOL on his refund….

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Does Ibi have his area?

Zambia sounds like a goat f&@k.

He did not

Peter Chipman got his 3 areas back
Ntengu (Cuturi) got Kasonso back
I believe there is one more area but not Ibi’s

Then I guess Cme is SOL on his refund….

This round anyway.

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Does Ibi have his area?

Zambia sounds like a goat f&@k.

He did not

Peter Chipman got his 3 areas back
Ntengu (Cuturi) got Kasonso back
I believe there is one more area but not Ibi’s

Then I guess Cme is SOL on his refund….

This round anyway.

Does anyone know the 5th GMA?

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Does Ibi have his area?

Zambia sounds like a goat f&@k.

He did not

Peter Chipman got his 3 areas back
Ntengu (Cuturi) got Kasonso back
I believe there is one more area but not Ibi’s

These are part of the initial closures and do not include Chanjuzi like I have told everyone 100 times

The 4 GMA’s contracted are as follow:

Lower Lupande
Mwanya
Chikwa
Kasonso Busanga

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Does Ibi have his area?

Zambia sounds like a goat f&@k.

He did not

Peter Chipman got his 3 areas back
Ntengu (Cuturi) got Kasonso back
I believe there is one more area but not Ibi’s

Then I guess Cme is SOL on his refund….

But fair game is still working......

And yet another day passes with no refund in sight and not a dime out of the person who put it all together.

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Originally posted by Hasher:
And yet another day passes with no refund in sight and not a dime out of the person who put it all together.

This is how it works - I find the right opportunity and the hunter books with my recommended Operator and I have been doing that for 20 years. Just this booking went tits up and besides I never received a dime.

There is a bunch of noted free lancers out there who work on exactly the same structure.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Does Ibi have his area?

Zambia sounds like a goat f&@k.

He did not

Peter Chipman got his 3 areas back
Ntengu (Cuturi) got Kasonso back
I believe there is one more area but not Ibi’s

Then I guess Cme is SOL on his refund….

But fair game is still working......

Yeah and still got to pay off my Royal Kafue debts. Selling off a couple of cars and fixing cars for a living so yes keeping pretty busy

Andrew,

Have you booked hunts on Ibi’s concession before?

Did you have any problems?

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Originally posted by fairgame:
There is a bunch of noted free lancers out there who work on exactly the same structure.

I have booked with a number of free lance PH's that did not control their own areas. I have never been asked to pay the operator or concession holder directly. I have always paid the outfitter booking the hunt.