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It isn’t a dead horse until Buzz comes here and apologizes for blaming all of us here for his bloody mistakes! He posted the following! Saeed- we decided after a former client lost a job due to being "exposed" with an elephant picture that he hunted with us that we would blur ALL faces on all our "public posts" as we do not ever want this to happen to anyone else again. Unfortunately for me now two incidents have occurred that will now put an end to my posting. Firstly a purely Xmas newsletter with some great news for fellow hunters has been totally hijacked. Secondly, a hunter who comes in misses a buff and calls his hunt off early - at the time happily accepts a flight paid for by myself for him and his wife to go to the falls and then comes back and publically questions my integrity and gets an audience. The fact that we have literally guided hundreds of extremely happy AR clients for 20 years odd seems to have no bearing whats so ever! Maybe I am getting old but I am at the point where I don't need the above BS. Unfortunately, it seems that many have gone the same way- Kevin Robertson, Harry Selby (unfortunately not with us anymore) Richard Harland, and Craig Boddington to name but a few. What a huge loss to the AR community their leaving was. While I certainly do not ever begin to think that I am in the same league as the above-mentioned esteemed gentlemen, I would like to have thought with 22 years of 170-day dangerous game seasons behind me that I could have and have helped a number of newbies to Africa from this site. I will follow the AR as I have many many friends on here and I love seeing the different hunts that they do but as of today, I am taking a sabbatical from posting. I wish you all a happy Christmas and new year! All the best Buzz. If anyone cannot see him being two faced, don’t blame me! | |||
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Does anyone doubt that Andrew is not doing his utmost in resolving this issue which is negatively impacting his reputation? | |||
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I guess I am floating a different boat, because all this BS has made want to book hunts with both Andrew and Buzz. | |||
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I’ve not met either operator but after silently following this thread for months…I’d pick Buzz! "The true test of a man's character is what he does when no one is watching". - John Wooden | |||
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Good choice.... | |||
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I would, and have, chosen Andrew. Another good choice! | |||
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We are talking about two very good professional hunters. One got screwed by others, due to no fault of his. One screwed himself! | |||
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One screwed a customer out of $80k. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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. . . would Corey have known anything about the concession area where the hunt was to take place, known the area was supposed to have quota for a lion to hunt, worked out all the details of the hunt (e.g., who was going, when, what was being hunted and where, etc.) with Baldry, known who Ibi even was, paid Ibi a large sum of money, but for the assurances of Baldry that all was fine, its all good, I know Ibi and the area, trust me, your hunt is with me, etc.? Then when the shit hits the fan, you tell your client, you paid Ibi, your recourse is with him, I am out of the picture, good luck? Blameless? Hardly. Mike | |||
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Saeed, What you are ignoring is that if CME had sent the money to Baldry, then Baldry would have sent it to Ibi and the same result would have happened. It does not matter that the money went directly to Ibi from CME = Baldry was the conduit. He set it up. He organized it. He sold it. He then has danced around saying "not me" the rest of the time. He is accountable and responsible.... I just booked a hunt with CMS. I made the deal with Buzz for Dean Kendall to be the PH on a hunt in an area in Zim that CMS leases for the next few years. Buzz and I agreed, and we both signed the deal. I handed Buzz a check made out to his company. So, if this goes south or the government takes the concession - who do I go after??? Buzz... because he made the deal. I cannot go after some company registered in whatever country and attempt to get my money. I go after the guy that sold, brokered and represented the hunt. Baldry was the middle man. He directed the customer to the owner - told CME to sign the contract with the owner and pay the owner.... Therefore - Baldry is complicit and is obligated to sort this out. End of story.. Never was a question about Baldry's PH skills - he has followers and fans. Same for Buzz. The issue is business practice and who stands behind what they sell. In Buzz case, he had a hunter from AR have a bad hunt in Dande East. Lots of discussion here on who misrepresented what and the communication issues. As I recall Buzz and team flew them to Vic Falls and did "something" to make it right. Has that happened in this mess???? No. Other than "I am talking to Ibi every day". No action. No result. I get it that Baldry is a PH and does not have $80,000 in his pocket. Well, take big risks with the Ibi's of the world and you better be prepared for a mess like this. As they say, this is the worst case scenario... and it happened. The reason for the risk is that a PH that books a hunt for an outfitter usually gets a fee, somewhere around 10%, like a booking agent fee when this happens. So Baldry was likely seeing that fee as well as his PH rate and a tip. Independent PH's work this way and often. If a PH that works for a specific operator gets business/books a hunt without an agent involved he usually gets a fee of some sort. So, Baldry was not just getting paid to PH, but a fee for bringing business to Ibi. As I said several pages of posts back on this thread - I have had two hunts never happen - one because the PH's wife ran off with the deposit and the other due to Botswana closing hunting. In both cases, my agent - Neal and Brownlee - stood up and repaid me. No issues or fight. I still book with them. This all goes away if CME gets his money.... Ibi does not care as he is nameless and faceless sitting in Lusaka skinning the next deal. Baldry is taking a huge hit on this. However, Baldry chose to take the risk. | |||
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It really is pointless trying to argue with some of you. Yiu have made up your minds to blame Andrew. Carry on making fools of yourselves! HE NEVER RECEIVED ANY MONEY!! Even a bloody DODO can see he is not responsible! | |||
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No he doesn’t don’t. However he facilitated the hunt and directed where the payment was to go. But let’s set that aside for a second. Where is the promised “help” in getting his money back from this mythical “Ibi”?? Why haven’t we seen anything posted from this person? If Andy had anything from this “Ibi” why has the posted that? He sure likes to post a lot of other things (and edit them)??? DRSS Kreighoff 470 NE Valmet 412 30/06 & 9.3x74R | |||
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For the poster who was harmed by all of this has even a Nickle appeared from this “Ibi” yet? DRSS Kreighoff 470 NE Valmet 412 30/06 & 9.3x74R | |||
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Saeed, No offence intended to you. This is a view different from the culture you are in vs the culture I am in. I see this as black and white to me as you do from your perspective. I am no DODO, or at least my wife doesn't think so. I have not made up my mind about Baldry - I reached a conclusion based on the facts. Baldry is caught in a situation not of his making but he is still in it and has accountability. | |||
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Ibi has not sent any money back. I was promised a small amount Jan 25-30, but he still hasn’t sent anything. Andrew has recently started working behind the scenes to help. I’ve never once asked him to personally refund me, nor would I ever do that. What I have always expected is active help to recover the money. He is doing that now and I’d like to recognize that, because it is appreciated. I don’t think Andrew is a bad guy, but due to the ongoings in Zambia he put me in a bad position. I am a man of my word and if the refunds take place I’ll let everyone know. The hunting community as a whole has been very supportive, and I appreciate the new friendships that I’ve made. | |||
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I am not suprosed that Ibi has not followed through. All the best in trying to recover your stolen money. DRSS Kreighoff 470 NE Valmet 412 30/06 & 9.3x74R | |||
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Are you implying that CME sent 80K to a "mythical" name and that he (CME) has had no further dialogue with this "mythical" IBI once his hunt went South and 80k gone West? If he has, (I am pretty sure he has) how come he hasn't shed transparency on the dialogue that has transpired between him and IBI? Surely the "genie in the lamp" must have spun him some story in an attempt at pacifying CME. The diatribe on this post is only directed at Andrew who genuinely tried to put a hunt together in an excellent area which he hunts though owned/run by someone who has turned out to be a scoundrel (to put it mildly). Had CME paid the money to Andrew to pay IBI, I would concur that Andrew would be wholly liable but that is the opinion of a layman and not a lawyer or a person who has let his emotions run wild and is vindicating his friend. | |||
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Andrew has been trying to get Ibi to give the money back right from the beginning when the client asked for a refund. I am not sure how much weight does he have over him. | |||
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If that were the case this thread wouldn’t have been started. Like I said earlier he has recently begun working behind the scenes to help the situation. | |||
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I have followed this thread with some interest. Wondering what the stance is (if any) from the "gods" of DSC and SCI. My best friend and I got screwed over by an outfitter on a South American hunt several years ago. We filed formal complaints with both organizations (and paid their fees to do so up front). When "interviewed" by both organizations they hemmed and hawed and basically washed their hands of the situation. I will never forget - when I asked both organizations "knowing what happened to us, would you book a hunt with this person/outfitter?". All I got for a response was "crickets". BTW This outfitter continues to exhibit at both organizations' shows. Tells me that both DSC and SCI are more concerned with exhibitor revenue than the members that book hunts at their shows. FWIW I was involved in a professional organization's annual show for several years, and if a vendor ever tried something like this they had a short period of time to make it right or get banned from exhibiting at future shows. I just assumed with the "stellar" reputation that DSC and SCI supposedly had at the time, that they would stand behind the customer. Boy, was I wrong. "Never, ever, book a hunt with Jeri Booth or Detail Company Adventures" | |||
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You didn’t start this thread. Is there something we haven’t heard about yet that you know?? Are we forming opinions on half truths?? What we have been told is you paid Ibi. The shit hit the fan when the government jumped in. You wanted your money back. Ibi hasn’t paid you. Lots of other details are missing? | |||
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If Andrew had been diligently working on getting my money back then I wouldn’t have posted on the other thread. Therefore, this thread wouldnt have been started. Like I said, he is now working on it behind the scenes and I appreciate that. | |||
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I imagine at some point, when you are repaid, you will return here to explain in detail the hoops through which Andrew had to jump to effect the repayment so we can know - or will those details be hidden and only the slings and arrows remain on this thread? In the end I am glad you seem to be satisfied with Andrew's current efforts and hope repayment is soon. On the other hand I will wonder if, at the end of the day, the damage done to an otherwise seemingly decent man's reputation is recoverable? After all, I never got the sense Andrew was acting with malice - as many of the posts here seem to infer. | |||
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I wouldn’t go that far regarding jumping through hoops but he did make an introduction to someone that may be able to help. That’s the extent of the help and it’s 1000% more than anything else done up until this point. How many months did it ultimately take for him to get involved? How many phone calls and text messages have been made asking for my money? Did he or did he not hunt with someone else over the dates that I had paid to hunt? Why was I not offered a hunt in a different concession (without having to pay more money out of pocket)? Other members of this forum that have been on here longer than I, still hunted in other areas. Greed and self preservation were the most likely reasons why I wasn’t refunded when everyone else was. Both the outfitter and PH tried to delay the hunt until later in 2023, but it was communicated that it was not possible on my end. Let me be crystal clear, just because he is doing what should have done long ago doesn’t change the fact that it took the issue being brought to light on this forum before anything was done. I wouldn’t ever booked another hunt with Andrew after this ordeal. If you are selling hunts and acting as the PH then it imperative to know who you are doing business with at the end of the day. We are 8.5 months shy of the first time that I asked both Ibi and Andrew for the refund. I’d be curious to know where the money went since there wasn’t a hunting season and technically no one has the concession so there couldn’t have been any expenses. | |||
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Saeed, I asked earlier in this thread if you were able to show the original posts Andrew made versus his edited versions which now exist. Are you able to do that? ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Saeed, There are the facts. Straight from the victim. How is Baldry not complicit and accountable in this mess? | |||
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Simple. Saeed doesn't want him to be be considered complicit.... . | |||
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Exactly. You were not a member here, you didn't post here....it could be construed that this is a place where fair game got a lot of free advertising ....he made sure those here got taken care of first....most likely with your additional $20,000.00 | |||
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Yep, that sums up Baldry’s business skills… | |||
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Frankly, I am not at all sure that we do actually have all the facts from one of the victims. Can we have, from the client, everything that has transpired between him and Andrew and Ibi? I mean the whole story. What we know is he booked a hunt and paid Ibi. What happened after that? Lots of details are still missing from this thread between that and him not getting the money and Andrew being thro9wn under the bus. Can we have all those details? And no, we cannot resurrect a post that has been edited. | |||
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. . . denial, it’s not just a river in Egypt. Mike | |||
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Anytime a lawyer gets involved, there is no winner. Except the lawyer! | |||
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This was discussed ad nauseam in the original thread including dates No offense, but oddly much was chosen to be ignored as to many details of how this all transpired. | |||
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Why would anyone bother to provide details when Baldry already provided them then edited them to reflect his most current version of events? The mere fact that he has edited his posts is now the most damning evidence of his involvement in the scam. (I mean, other than soliciting clients from a commercial site without paying and lying about texts to and from his client. Both of these can still be verified). He certainly didn’t edit them in order to make himself look worse. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Unlike buzz, who had lots of business from AR. As soon as he started being stupid, and got called on it, he got his knickers in the twist and left!  | |||
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A tale of two threads… I’ve pretty much avoided this thread for weeks, as it seems to have just descended into a circular argument and bitch fest. It certainly is not the best of AR. In contrast, about six weeks ago Larry Shores posted a thread that he called the best part of AR. It was simply a positive toned thread about a wonderful evening we shared with Karl & Rebecca Evans as well as Roy & Rene Vincent. I agree with Larry, what Saeed has created that has brought so many of us together is a wonderful benefit of AR. But the shitshow this thread has become sure as hell is the exact opposite. I do hope that some of you take a moment to think about what makes this community great and endeavor to get back to that. Find your own great AR moments but jeez, quit arguing just for the sake of argument. Better yet, go hunt something and share positive details with the rest of us. | |||
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It is interesting how different conclusions have been reached off the same set of facts. | |||
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Dogcat I repeat myself and this has nothing to do with CMS so it does not warrant a comparison I have conducted many many safaris as a freelance hunter and the norm is to introduce the client to the operator to decide on a contract and then details such as dates and deposits. The amounts involved would equal many hundreds of thousands of dollars. I do not make demands to pay deposits nor do I demand commissions which can be testified by many Zambian operators and some here. I have done my best to sort this out without causing ripples that may adversely impact on the refund. There was no demand to pay back favored clients and my instruction was to reimburse all my clients and they dealt directly with the operator. Some moved concessions and others did not. Did you book your CMS hunt through Neal & Brownee? Now it boils down to me editing posts. Really? And considering the quick to jump on my every word there then would be a copied response to the original post which has not been brought to my attention? If Cme is a DSC or Sci member he could pursue this claim through these or other channels ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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