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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Hasher:
Almost 2 more weeks have passed with no additional signs of recompense from ibi the thieving jackal.

Anyone notice that Andy ballsack has stopped posting in this thread? I’m guessing he found it tiring having to go back and re-edit all those posts to ensure his stories stay straight.

Is ibi the thieving swine still
Making threats against the OP???

Please post some before and after evidence of me editing posts to look good? If not wind your neck in

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Originally posted by Hasher:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Hasher:
Almost 2 more weeks have passed with no additional signs of recompense from ibi the thieving jackal.

Anyone notice that Andy ballsack has stopped posting in this thread? I’m guessing he found it tiring having to go back and re-edit all those posts to ensure his stories stay straight.

Is ibi the thieving swine still
Making threats against the OP???

Please post some before and after evidence of me editing posts to look good? If not wind your neck in

No need.

Please scroll back to where others have already posted it.

Why not pull your own neck in and help the OP get his money back instead of running your cock holster on here.

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

Andrew bears as much responsibility as anyone of us who recommends someone and that turns out to be wrong.

. . . in a word, bullshit. He marketed and sold the hunt, he interfaced between Corey and Ibi, he secured the quota from Ibi, he intended to be the PH on the hunt, etc. Your disingenuous efforts to paint Baldry as some innocent bystander only serve to make him look worse in the eyes of most.

Correct and that is how it works. All my hunts have seen the Hunter introduced to the Outfitter who provides the contract and deposit details of which I have little influence. As I do not add commissions or finders fees, all financial agreements are between the Hunter and Operator. Nor do I get involved in Charter bookings, dip & pack etc. Last year was a disaster and Cme and I both got fucked I sincerely hope Cme is making headway as my efforts were in vain.

What efforts????????

If that is what you call “effort”, do you even get out of the truck to hunt????

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

Andrew bears as much responsibility as anyone of us who recommends someone and that turns out to be wrong.

. . . in a word, bullshit. He marketed and sold the hunt, he interfaced between Corey and Ibi, he secured the quota from Ibi, he intended to be the PH on the hunt, etc. Your disingenuous efforts to paint Baldry as some innocent bystander only serve to make him look worse in the eyes of most.

Correct and that is how it works. All my hunts have seen the Hunter introduced to the Outfitter who provides the contract and deposit details of which I have little influence. As I do not add commissions or finders fees, all financial agreements are between the Hunter and Operator. Nor do I get involved in Charter bookings, dip & pack etc. Last year was a disaster and Cme and I both got fucked I sincerely hope Cme is making headway as my efforts were in vain.

What efforts????????

If that is what you call “effort”, do you even get out of the truck to hunt????

I remember you got shafted in Zambia and were forced to pay up by the Operator and PH which you chose to do instead of taking action. What financial or legal recourse did you pursue?

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Originally posted by Ongwe:
Baldry trying to distract from his culpability. Again.

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Originally posted by the Pom:
I remember seeing a bunch of Hyaenas squabbling around a wounded old lion. Don't know why I'm reminded of this?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

Andrew bears as much responsibility as anyone of us who recommends someone and that turns out to be wrong.

. . . in a word, bullshit. He marketed and sold the hunt, he interfaced between Corey and Ibi, he secured the quota from Ibi, he intended to be the PH on the hunt, etc. Your disingenuous efforts to paint Baldry as some innocent bystander only serve to make him look worse in the eyes of most.

Correct and that is how it works. All my hunts have seen the Hunter introduced to the Outfitter who provides the contract and deposit details of which I have little influence. As I do not add commissions or finders fees, all financial agreements are between the Hunter and Operator. Nor do I get involved in Charter bookings, dip & pack etc. Last year was a disaster and Cme and I both got fucked I sincerely hope Cme is making headway as my efforts were in vain.

What efforts????????

If that is what you call “effort”, do you even get out of the truck to hunt????

I remember you got shafted in Zambia and were forced to pay up by the Operator and PH which you chose to do instead of taking action. What financial or legal recourse did you pursue?

Interesting!

What is the story?

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Originally posted by dogcat:
Another month goes by and no resolution or money from Baldry or his operator....

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Originally posted by dogcat:
Another month goes by and no resolution or money from Baldry or his operator....

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Originally posted by Saeed:

If YOU had recommended sold a hunt, and a client paid money, and it never happened, would YOU pay back the money??

Honest question, answer it!

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

If YOU had recommended sold a hunt, and a client paid money, and it never happened, would YOU pay back the money??

Honest question, answer it!

Fixed it for you.

Yes, I would feel morally obligated to make good on a hunt I sold a client when the payment arrangements were the arrangements I specified and the client just did as I suggested since I was the seller of the hunt.

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Originally posted by Hasher:

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Originally posted by dogcat:
Another month goes by and no resolution or money from Baldry or his operator....

Be careful or some meany pants will call you names and use big words they don’t understand.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

If YOU had recommended sold a hunt, and a client paid money, and it never happened, would YOU pay back the money??

Honest question, answer it!

Fixed it for you.

Yes, I would feel morally obligated to make good on a hunt I sold a client when the payment arrangements were the arrangements I specified and the client just did as I suggested since I was the seller of the hunt.

Now lawyers have involved, pointless trying to bring any sense in it!

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Originally posted by bcap:

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Originally posted by Hasher:

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Originally posted by dogcat:
Another month goes by and no resolution or money from Baldry or his operator....

Be careful or some meany pants will call you names and use big words they don’t understand.

No need to use big words for you dick is the word that comes to mine that fits you perfect and a few others.

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Originally posted by squeezenhope:
How about this, everyone lets this lie until there are NEW developments.

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Originally posted by dogcat:
Yep. Ibi and Baldry want this to just go away.

Guess what? Unless Saeed locks this thread, it won't.

To answer Saeed's question, again....

1. Baldry marketed and sold the hunt. He is an agent for Ibi/operator. He was acting on behalf of Ibi, not CME.

2. He directed where the money was to be sent.

3. He was supposed to know all details of the concession and status. He did not or chose not to.

4. He acted as if he was setting up a hunt. He started the process, found that Ibi did not have a concession, then participated in seeing that some clients were reimbursed.

5. He did not act in CME's best interest in getting anying other than a belated $5000 reimbursement. He claims he worked "tirelessly" to get this sorted. Those claims were refuted by CME and others..

6. Baldry likely has not made any money on this theft. He likely did not get any of the promised commissions. I believe this and see no evidence he profited in this venture.

7. However, he is complicit. He teed this up and his client was robbed. He owes his client a satisfactory settlement.

I will not hold my breath on that nor on Saeed accepting this explanation that he has read dozens of time on this thread.

In simpler terms - if you (Saeed), said, "Hey, Ross, I want to buy a movie camera". I then say, "you bet, my friend sells those, he is a good guy and has many". You then ask, "where do I send my money to get this?". I tell you, "send it to him".

You do and the camera never arrives. How are you going after to get your money, help or your camera??? Me as I was the broker in the deal and I stood solid for the seller.

Is there a contract? No. Is there something prosecutable? In the USA, maybe. In Zambia, I doubt it. So, what do you do???

Raise a ruckus everywhere and anywhere that may get the broker or seller to do what was promised.

It seems simple to me, but I am not in the Middle East and privy to how this type of behavour is tolerated there.

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Originally posted by dogcat:
Saeed,
Not exactly.

I don't get a tip for recommending a restaurant or car repair place....

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Originally posted by dogcat:
Yep. Ibi and Baldry want this to just go away.

Guess what? Unless Saeed locks this thread, it won't.

To answer Saeed's question, again....

1. Baldry marketed and sold the hunt. He is an agent for Ibi/operator. He was acting on behalf of Ibi, not CME.

2. He directed where the money was to be sent.

3. He was supposed to know all details of the concession and status. He did not or chose not to.

4. He acted as if he was setting up a hunt. He started the process, found that Ibi did not have a concession, then participated in seeing that some clients were reimbursed.

5. He did not act in CME's best interest in getting anying other than a belated $5000 reimbursement. He claims he worked "tirelessly" to get this sorted. Those claims were refuted by CME and others..

6. Baldry likely has not made any money on this theft. He likely did not get any of the promised commissions. I believe this and see no evidence he profited in this venture.

7. However, he is complicit. He teed this up and his client was robbed. He owes his client a satisfactory settlement.

I will not hold my breath on that nor on Saeed accepting this explanation that he has read dozens of time on this thread.

In simpler terms - if you (Saeed), said, "Hey, Ross, I want to buy a movie camera". I then say, "you bet, my friend sells those, he is a good guy and has many". You then ask, "where do I send my money to get this?". I tell you, "send it to him".

You do and the camera never arrives. How are you going after to get your money, help or your camera??? Me as I was the broker in the deal and I stood solid for the seller.

Is there a contract? No. Is there something prosecutable? In the USA, maybe. In Zambia, I doubt it. So, what do you do???

Raise a ruckus everywhere and anywhere that may get the broker or seller to do what was promised.

It seems simple to me, but I am not in the Middle East and privy to how this type of behavour is tolerated there.

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Originally posted by surefire7:
I’ve hunted Africa only (12) times, six with Andrew. They have been the (6) best safaris of the twelve. I’m looking forward to #7 with him.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by surefire7:
I’ve hunted Africa only (12) times, six with Andrew. They have been the (6) best safaris of the twelve. I’m looking forward to #7 with him.

Cme did NOT hunt with Andrew!

Cme did NOT pay Andrew a penny.

But some here believe all this tragedy was caused by Andrew???

The mind truly boggles at this logic!

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by dogcat:
Yep. Ibi and Baldry want this to just go away.

Guess what? Unless Saeed locks this thread, it won't.

To answer Saeed's question, again....

1. Baldry marketed and sold the hunt. He is an agent for Ibi/operator. He was acting on behalf of Ibi, not CME.

2. He directed where the money was to be sent.

3. He was supposed to know all details of the concession and status. He did not or chose not to.

4. He acted as if he was setting up a hunt. He started the process, found that Ibi did not have a concession, then participated in seeing that some clients were reimbursed.

5. He did not act in CME's best interest in getting anying other than a belated $5000 reimbursement. He claims he worked "tirelessly" to get this sorted. Those claims were refuted by CME and others..

6. Baldry likely has not made any money on this theft. He likely did not get any of the promised commissions. I believe this and see no evidence he profited in this venture.

7. However, he is complicit. He teed this up and his client was robbed. He owes his client a satisfactory settlement.

I will not hold my breath on that nor on Saeed accepting this explanation that he has read dozens of time on this thread.

In simpler terms - if you (Saeed), said, "Hey, Ross, I want to buy a movie camera". I then say, "you bet, my friend sells those, he is a good guy and has many". You then ask, "where do I send my money to get this?". I tell you, "send it to him".

You do and the camera never arrives. How are you going after to get your money, help or your camera??? Me as I was the broker in the deal and I stood solid for the seller.

Is there a contract? No. Is there something prosecutable? In the USA, maybe. In Zambia, I doubt it. So, what do you do???

Raise a ruckus everywhere and anywhere that may get the broker or seller to do what was promised.

It seems simple to me, but I am not in the Middle East and privy to how this type of behavour is tolerated there.

Ibi has not communicated with me for months now nor has CME.

1. I am not a bonafide agent for anyone and only the legitimate operator can conclude a contractual agreement with a client
2. Never did I direct finances or interfere with the deposit arrangements
3. Ibi sits on the executive committee that represents all Zambian operators
4. I instructed that ALL clients be reimbursed or offered alternate safaris
5. I did as much as I could until this became a shit show
6. I do not work on a commission basis
7. I am not the recipient of any CME money and Ibi cost me 70 days of hunting

Your ruckus has not proven fruitful and I agree this thread should be kept alive until CME is fully reimbursed.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Amazing. Andrew’s story:

I just marketed and sold the hunt. Sure I picked the concession area, negotiated the deal with the concession holder, set the terms and conditions on which the hunt was sold, and stood to benefit directly as the PH on the hunt . . . otherwise why would I have sold and marketed the hunt in the first place. Of course, my client did not know Ibi from Adam, but I hooked them up and vouched, directly or indirectly, for Ibi so the client would pay Ibi. But other than that, I really had nothing to do with the hunt, hold no moral responsibility to the client . . . but I wish him the best in getting his money back from my buddy Ibi. Seriously I question why any sane person would book with you on similar terms after you left Corey high and dry.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by surefire7:
I’ve hunted Africa only (12) times, six with Andrew. They have been the (6) best safaris of the twelve. I’m looking forward to #7 with him.

Cme did NOT hunt with Andrew!

Cme did NOT pay Andrew a penny.

But some here believe all this tragedy was caused by Andrew???

The mind truly boggles at this logic!

If you want to form an opinion on logic, the political forum is a good starting place.

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Originally posted by Kpoynter:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Amazing. Andrew’s story:

I just marketed and sold the hunt. Sure I picked the concession area, negotiated the deal with the concession holder, set the terms and conditions on which the hunt was sold, and stood to benefit directly as the PH on the hunt . . . otherwise why would I have sold and marketed the hunt in the first place. Of course, my client did not know Ibi from Adam, but I hooked them up and vouched, directly or indirectly, for Ibi so the client would pay Ibi. But other than that, I really had nothing to do with the hunt, hold no moral responsibility to the client . . . but I wish him the best in getting his money back from my buddy Ibi. Seriously I question why any sane person would book with you on similar terms after you left Corey high and dry.

And let’s not forget on top of the above….
When did he become aware of the serious nature of the issue and never communicated it until approximately 30 days prior to departure (actually HE never communicated any of it)
And also… he magically never has or had ANY knowledge of the funds and and refunds going to ALL HIS other clients from Ibi but CME
Why, how could he as the organizer of ALL OF THEM? He is 1000000% innocent and knew nothing about anything at any time negative.
And did virtually nothing to help resolve other than pass back channel WhatsApp messages with Ibi that shit hit the fan.
He is as pure as the driven snows of Kilimanjaro

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Originally posted by Hasher:
2 more weeks have passed and it looks like “ibi” hasn’t paid back any mor money and old dirty Andy has done nothing additional to help.

I hope our OP is using every means at his disposal to sort them.

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Hasher:
2 more weeks have passed and it looks like “ibi” hasn’t paid back any mor money and old dirty Andy has done nothing additional to help.

I hope our OP is using every means at his disposal to sort them.

As the stomach turns....

This thread is not going away until Baldry gets this sorted.