quote:

on a hunt in an area in Zim that CMS leases for the next few years.

quote:

Originally posted by bcap:
Ok lets just see if all this adds up?

Andrew sells hunt and up to this point there has never been any red flags saying dont hunt with andrew.

Andrew uses landowner for quota to sell like so many others do. Landowner gets quota from govt and all seems well. Andrew does not want money to go to him wants animals paid direct which may not be normal but I myself would look as a good thing. This way I know my animals are paid for and no waiting for Ph to pay bill.

Now Govt shits the bed and quota is gone no hunt to happen. Big question why but who knows that asnwer. Now are we saying andrew wanted this as it helps him in some way. Time goes bye and we dont know how much andrew was doing to get money back but I would figure he was trying but at the same time limited on what he could do with also not making the problem worse.

Landowner tell client he will refund him as soon as he can. I hope this still happens since he got the money. andrew tells us he is trying to do all he can. Which I believe he is but very limited on what he can really do if you really think about it. As in stop thinking like a keyboard hero and think of what he can really do in africa.

After all the bs on the thread a few have decide to bury andrew now and even make it harder on him to maybe even pay back some of the amount out of his own pocket with trying to limit his business by bad press. Now the gutless few will say because it is the right things to do when a few are doing it because of some bad press cms got or because andrew made some comment on there post sometime back. Then they pretend as if andrew did this all to gain what. His master plan was ruin his business and screw one client out of 80,000.

Some of you maybe book smart but your dumb as fuck in the common sense department. cme is out alot of money and now I am sure andrew is out as much or more. Then a few think he could of controlled this some how when the govt just shut shit down.Let alone we all know the fact the man just about lost everything just a few years ago doing what we all support in saving hunting area.

Carry on with your rants but none of you are helping either party with your bs hate towards Andrew.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by bcap:
Ok lets just see if all this adds up?

Andrew sells hunt and up to this point there has never been any red flags saying dont hunt with andrew.

Andrew uses landowner for quota to sell like so many others do. Landowner gets quota from govt and all seems well. Andrew does not want money to go to him wants animals paid direct which may not be normal but I myself would look as a good thing. This way I know my animals are paid for and no waiting for Ph to pay bill.

Now Govt shits the bed and quota is gone no hunt to happen. Big question why but who knows that asnwer. Now are we saying andrew wanted this as it helps him in some way. Time goes bye and we dont know how much andrew was doing to get money back but I would figure he was trying but at the same time limited on what he could do with also not making the problem worse.

Landowner tell client he will refund him as soon as he can. I hope this still happens since he got the money. andrew tells us he is trying to do all he can. Which I believe he is but very limited on what he can really do if you really think about it. As in stop thinking like a keyboard hero and think of what he can really do in africa.

After all the bs on the thread a few have decide to bury andrew now and even make it harder on him to maybe even pay back some of the amount out of his own pocket with trying to limit his business by bad press. Now the gutless few will say because it is the right things to do when a few are doing it because of some bad press cms got or because andrew made some comment on there post sometime back. Then they pretend as if andrew did this all to gain what. His master plan was ruin his business and screw one client out of 80,000.

Some of you maybe book smart but your dumb as fuck in the common sense department. cme is out alot of money and now I am sure andrew is out as much or more. Then a few think he could of controlled this some how when the govt just shut shit down.Let alone we all know the fact the man just about lost everything just a few years ago doing what we all support in saving hunting area.

Carry on with your rants but none of you are helping either party with your bs hate towards Andrew.

At least someone is making sense of this sad story!

Those attacking Andrew are most definitely NOT helping anyone.

quote:

Originally posted by Michael Robinson:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by bcap:
Ok lets just see if all this adds up?

Andrew sells hunt and up to this point there has never been any red flags saying dont hunt with andrew.

Andrew uses landowner for quota to sell like so many others do. Landowner gets quota from govt and all seems well. Andrew does not want money to go to him wants animals paid direct which may not be normal but I myself would look as a good thing. This way I know my animals are paid for and no waiting for Ph to pay bill.

Now Govt shits the bed and quota is gone no hunt to happen. Big question why but who knows that asnwer. Now are we saying andrew wanted this as it helps him in some way. Time goes bye and we dont know how much andrew was doing to get money back but I would figure he was trying but at the same time limited on what he could do with also not making the problem worse.

Landowner tell client he will refund him as soon as he can. I hope this still happens since he got the money. andrew tells us he is trying to do all he can. Which I believe he is but very limited on what he can really do if you really think about it. As in stop thinking like a keyboard hero and think of what he can really do in africa.

After all the bs on the thread a few have decide to bury andrew now and even make it harder on him to maybe even pay back some of the amount out of his own pocket with trying to limit his business by bad press. Now the gutless few will say because it is the right things to do when a few are doing it because of some bad press cms got or because andrew made some comment on there post sometime back. Then they pretend as if andrew did this all to gain what. His master plan was ruin his business and screw one client out of 80,000.

Some of you maybe book smart but your dumb as fuck in the common sense department. cme is out alot of money and now I am sure andrew is out as much or more. Then a few think he could of controlled this some how when the govt just shut shit down.Let alone we all know the fact the man just about lost everything just a few years ago doing what we all support in saving hunting area.

Carry on with your rants but none of you are helping either party with your bs hate towards Andrew.

At least someone is making sense of this sad story!

Those attacking Andrew are most definitely NOT helping anyone.

+2

quote:

Originally posted by Kpoynter:

quote:

Originally posted by Michael Robinson:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by bcap:
Ok lets just see if all this adds up?

Andrew sells hunt and up to this point there has never been any red flags saying dont hunt with andrew.

Andrew uses landowner for quota to sell like so many others do. Landowner gets quota from govt and all seems well. Andrew does not want money to go to him wants animals paid direct which may not be normal but I myself would look as a good thing. This way I know my animals are paid for and no waiting for Ph to pay bill.

Now Govt shits the bed and quota is gone no hunt to happen. Big question why but who knows that asnwer. Now are we saying andrew wanted this as it helps him in some way. Time goes bye and we dont know how much andrew was doing to get money back but I would figure he was trying but at the same time limited on what he could do with also not making the problem worse.

Landowner tell client he will refund him as soon as he can. I hope this still happens since he got the money. andrew tells us he is trying to do all he can. Which I believe he is but very limited on what he can really do if you really think about it. As in stop thinking like a keyboard hero and think of what he can really do in africa.

After all the bs on the thread a few have decide to bury andrew now and even make it harder on him to maybe even pay back some of the amount out of his own pocket with trying to limit his business by bad press. Now the gutless few will say because it is the right things to do when a few are doing it because of some bad press cms got or because andrew made some comment on there post sometime back. Then they pretend as if andrew did this all to gain what. His master plan was ruin his business and screw one client out of 80,000.

Some of you maybe book smart but your dumb as fuck in the common sense department. cme is out alot of money and now I am sure andrew is out as much or more. Then a few think he could of controlled this some how when the govt just shut shit down.Let alone we all know the fact the man just about lost everything just a few years ago doing what we all support in saving hunting area.

Carry on with your rants but none of you are helping either party with your bs hate towards Andrew.

At least someone is making sense of this sad story!

Those attacking Andrew are most definitely NOT helping anyone.

+2

Like Larry said…..
Odd how some of you can be presented facts and derive a different sense of reality.
Cognitive dissonance is the term that comes to mind

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Kpoynter:

quote:

Originally posted by Michael Robinson:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by bcap:
Ok lets just see if all this adds up?

Andrew sells hunt and up to this point there has never been any red flags saying dont hunt with andrew.

Andrew uses landowner for quota to sell like so many others do. Landowner gets quota from govt and all seems well. Andrew does not want money to go to him wants animals paid direct which may not be normal but I myself would look as a good thing. This way I know my animals are paid for and no waiting for Ph to pay bill.

Now Govt shits the bed and quota is gone no hunt to happen. Big question why but who knows that asnwer. Now are we saying andrew wanted this as it helps him in some way. Time goes bye and we dont know how much andrew was doing to get money back but I would figure he was trying but at the same time limited on what he could do with also not making the problem worse.

Landowner tell client he will refund him as soon as he can. I hope this still happens since he got the money. andrew tells us he is trying to do all he can. Which I believe he is but very limited on what he can really do if you really think about it. As in stop thinking like a keyboard hero and think of what he can really do in africa.

After all the bs on the thread a few have decide to bury andrew now and even make it harder on him to maybe even pay back some of the amount out of his own pocket with trying to limit his business by bad press. Now the gutless few will say because it is the right things to do when a few are doing it because of some bad press cms got or because andrew made some comment on there post sometime back. Then they pretend as if andrew did this all to gain what. His master plan was ruin his business and screw one client out of 80,000.

Some of you maybe book smart but your dumb as fuck in the common sense department. cme is out alot of money and now I am sure andrew is out as much or more. Then a few think he could of controlled this some how when the govt just shut shit down.Let alone we all know the fact the man just about lost everything just a few years ago doing what we all support in saving hunting area.

Carry on with your rants but none of you are helping either party with your bs hate towards Andrew.

At least someone is making sense of this sad story!

Those attacking Andrew are most definitely NOT helping anyone.

+2

Like Larry said…..
Odd how some of you can be presented facts and derive a different sense of reality.
Cognitive dissonance is the term that comes to mind

Yeah, isn't it funny how the apologists have a better grasp on the inner workings of the situation than the victim...

quote:

Originally posted by ilitshe_zim:
really....

For your info regarding the man that sold,marketed, instructed CME

Definitions of complicit. adjective. culpably involved. synonyms: concerned, implicated involved. connected by participation or association or use

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Where are going to be if we did not recommend others who have given us good services??

There was a thread earlier which was relevant to this subject.

Starting this one was specifically to put the blame on Andrew.

Uncalled for, and based on totally baseless accusations!

quote:

Originally posted by dogcat:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Where are going to be if we did not recommend others who have given us good services??

There was a thread earlier which was relevant to this subject.

Starting this one was specifically to put the blame on Andrew.

Uncalled for, and based on totally baseless accusations!

And CMS was targeted as well in a totally different situation, even though no one lost a dime.... I struggle to rationalize most of this.

quote:

Originally posted by ilitshe_zim:
really....

For your info regarding the man that sold,marketed, instructed CME

Definitions of complicit. adjective. culpably involved. synonyms: concerned, implicated involved. connected by participation or association or use

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Kpoynter:

quote:

Originally posted by Michael Robinson:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by bcap:
Ok lets just see if all this adds up?

Andrew sells hunt and up to this point there has never been any red flags saying dont hunt with andrew.

Andrew uses landowner for quota to sell like so many others do. Landowner gets quota from govt and all seems well. Andrew does not want money to go to him wants animals paid direct which may not be normal but I myself would look as a good thing. This way I know my animals are paid for and no waiting for Ph to pay bill.

Now Govt shits the bed and quota is gone no hunt to happen. Big question why but who knows that asnwer. Now are we saying andrew wanted this as it helps him in some way. Time goes bye and we dont know how much andrew was doing to get money back but I would figure he was trying but at the same time limited on what he could do with also not making the problem worse.

Landowner tell client he will refund him as soon as he can. I hope this still happens since he got the money. andrew tells us he is trying to do all he can. Which I believe he is but very limited on what he can really do if you really think about it. As in stop thinking like a keyboard hero and think of what he can really do in africa.

After all the bs on the thread a few have decide to bury andrew now and even make it harder on him to maybe even pay back some of the amount out of his own pocket with trying to limit his business by bad press. Now the gutless few will say because it is the right things to do when a few are doing it because of some bad press cms got or because andrew made some comment on there post sometime back. Then they pretend as if andrew did this all to gain what. His master plan was ruin his business and screw one client out of 80,000.

Some of you maybe book smart but your dumb as fuck in the common sense department. cme is out alot of money and now I am sure andrew is out as much or more. Then a few think he could of controlled this some how when the govt just shut shit down.Let alone we all know the fact the man just about lost everything just a few years ago doing what we all support in saving hunting area.

Carry on with your rants but none of you are helping either party with your bs hate towards Andrew.

At least someone is making sense of this sad story!

Those attacking Andrew are most definitely NOT helping anyone.

+2

Like Larry said…..
Odd how some of you can be presented facts and derive a different sense of reality.
Cognitive dissonance is the term that comes to mind

Yeah, isn't it funny how the apologists have a better grasp on the inner workings of the situation than the victim...

Regardless who the victim is originally, what some of you have been doing have made another victim.

The client IS the victim right from the beginning, as soon as he parted with his money given to IBI.

Andrew IS the second victim.

Right from the beginning too.

As soon as the government threw a monkey wrench in the works.

Some of you have just added to his misery.

Totally uncalled for!

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Kpoynter:

quote:

Originally posted by Michael Robinson:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by bcap:
Ok lets just see if all this adds up?

Andrew sells hunt and up to this point there has never been any red flags saying dont hunt with andrew.

Andrew uses landowner for quota to sell like so many others do. Landowner gets quota from govt and all seems well. Andrew does not want money to go to him wants animals paid direct which may not be normal but I myself would look as a good thing. This way I know my animals are paid for and no waiting for Ph to pay bill.

Now Govt shits the bed and quota is gone no hunt to happen. Big question why but who knows that asnwer. Now are we saying andrew wanted this as it helps him in some way. Time goes bye and we dont know how much andrew was doing to get money back but I would figure he was trying but at the same time limited on what he could do with also not making the problem worse.

Landowner tell client he will refund him as soon as he can. I hope this still happens since he got the money. andrew tells us he is trying to do all he can. Which I believe he is but very limited on what he can really do if you really think about it. As in stop thinking like a keyboard hero and think of what he can really do in africa.

After all the bs on the thread a few have decide to bury andrew now and even make it harder on him to maybe even pay back some of the amount out of his own pocket with trying to limit his business by bad press. Now the gutless few will say because it is the right things to do when a few are doing it because of some bad press cms got or because andrew made some comment on there post sometime back. Then they pretend as if andrew did this all to gain what. His master plan was ruin his business and screw one client out of 80,000.

Some of you maybe book smart but your dumb as fuck in the common sense department. cme is out alot of money and now I am sure andrew is out as much or more. Then a few think he could of controlled this some how when the govt just shut shit down.Let alone we all know the fact the man just about lost everything just a few years ago doing what we all support in saving hunting area.

Carry on with your rants but none of you are helping either party with your bs hate towards Andrew.

At least someone is making sense of this sad story!

Those attacking Andrew are most definitely NOT helping anyone.

+2

Like Larry said…..
Odd how some of you can be presented facts and derive a different sense of reality.
Cognitive dissonance is the term that comes to mind

Yeah, isn't it funny how the apologists have a better grasp on the inner workings of the situation than the victim...

Regardless who the victim is originally, what some of you have been doing have made another victim.

The client IS the victim right from the beginning, as soon as he parted with his money given to IBI.

Andrew IS the second victim.

Right from the beginning too.

As soon as the government threw a monkey wrench in the works.

Some of you have just added to his misery.

Totally uncalled for!

Totally uncalled for? For months Andrew let Corey twist in the wind doing nothing to help him and just blaming Ibi. That is what prompted Corey to post here to begin with (ironically in response to a post by Baldry calling another outfitter out for a deal gone bad). Now that Andrew has had a blowtorch turned in his direction at least he has gotten off his ass and is apparently trying to help Corey. About time.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Kpoynter:

quote:

Originally posted by Michael Robinson:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by bcap:
Ok lets just see if all this adds up?

Andrew sells hunt and up to this point there has never been any red flags saying dont hunt with andrew.

Andrew uses landowner for quota to sell like so many others do. Landowner gets quota from govt and all seems well. Andrew does not want money to go to him wants animals paid direct which may not be normal but I myself would look as a good thing. This way I know my animals are paid for and no waiting for Ph to pay bill.

Now Govt shits the bed and quota is gone no hunt to happen. Big question why but who knows that asnwer. Now are we saying andrew wanted this as it helps him in some way. Time goes bye and we dont know how much andrew was doing to get money back but I would figure he was trying but at the same time limited on what he could do with also not making the problem worse.

Landowner tell client he will refund him as soon as he can. I hope this still happens since he got the money. andrew tells us he is trying to do all he can. Which I believe he is but very limited on what he can really do if you really think about it. As in stop thinking like a keyboard hero and think of what he can really do in africa.

After all the bs on the thread a few have decide to bury andrew now and even make it harder on him to maybe even pay back some of the amount out of his own pocket with trying to limit his business by bad press. Now the gutless few will say because it is the right things to do when a few are doing it because of some bad press cms got or because andrew made some comment on there post sometime back. Then they pretend as if andrew did this all to gain what. His master plan was ruin his business and screw one client out of 80,000.

Some of you maybe book smart but your dumb as fuck in the common sense department. cme is out alot of money and now I am sure andrew is out as much or more. Then a few think he could of controlled this some how when the govt just shut shit down.Let alone we all know the fact the man just about lost everything just a few years ago doing what we all support in saving hunting area.

Carry on with your rants but none of you are helping either party with your bs hate towards Andrew.

At least someone is making sense of this sad story!

Those attacking Andrew are most definitely NOT helping anyone.

+2

Like Larry said…..
Odd how some of you can be presented facts and derive a different sense of reality.
Cognitive dissonance is the term that comes to mind

Yeah, isn't it funny how the apologists have a better grasp on the inner workings of the situation than the victim...

Regardless who the victim is originally, what some of you have been doing have made another victim.

The client IS the victim right from the beginning, as soon as he parted with his money given to IBI.

Andrew IS the second victim.

Right from the beginning too.

As soon as the government threw a monkey wrench in the works.

Some of you have just added to his misery.

Totally uncalled for!

Totally uncalled for? For months Andrew let Corey twist in the wind doing nothing to help him and just blaming Ibi. That is what prompted Corey to post here to begin with (ironically in response to a post by Baldry calling another outfitter out for a deal gone bad). Now that Andrew has had a blowtorch turned in his direction at least he has gotten off his ass and is apparently trying to help Corey. About time.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . just a suggestion for you, go back and reread Cme’s posts.

quote:

Originally posted by Cme:

I wouldn’t go that far regarding jumping through hoops but he did make an introduction to someone that may be able to help. That’s the extent of the help and it’s 1000% more than anything else done up until this point.

How many months did it ultimately take for him to get involved? How many phone calls and text messages have been made asking for my money? Did he or did he not hunt with someone else over the dates that I had paid to hunt?

Why was I not offered a hunt in a different concession (without having to pay more money out of pocket)?

Other members of this forum that have been on here longer than I, still hunted in other areas. Greed and self preservation were the most likely reasons why I wasn’t refunded when everyone else was. Both the outfitter and PH tried to delay the hunt until later in 2023, but it was communicated that it was not possible on my end. Let me be crystal clear, just because he is doing what should have done long ago doesn’t change the fact that it took the issue being brought to light on this forum before anything was done.

I wouldn’t ever booked another hunt with Andrew after this ordeal. If you are selling hunts and acting as the PH then it imperative to know who you are doing business with at the end of the day. We are 8.5 months shy of the first time that I asked both Ibi and Andrew for the refund. I’d be curious to know where the money went since there wasn’t a hunting season and technically no one has the concession so there couldn’t have been any expenses.

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . just a suggestion for you, go back and reread Cme’s posts.

I am more concentrated in my direct communication with Cme

quote:

Originally posted by dogcat:

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . just a suggestion for you, go back and reread Cme’s posts.

I am more concentrated in my direct communication with Cme

As you should be. As well as Ibi.

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Andrew brought a lot of this on himself.

He could not stop himself from continuing to comment . He should have just shut the f@&k up at some point . He couldn’t. His continuing dialog has made my view of him far worse than if he had just let things die.

quote:

Originally posted by K Evans:

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Andrew brought a lot of this on himself.

He could not stop himself from continuing to comment . He should have just shut the f@&k up at some point . He couldn’t. His continuing dialog has made my view of him far worse than if he had just let things die.

Yep…others suggested just this, 9 or 10 pages ago. Too bad for all concerned.

quote:

He could not stop himself from continuing to comment . He should have just shut the f@&k up at some point . He couldn’t

quote:

Let’s not forget that all of this got started because of Andrew hammering another operator .

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
How can he keep quiet when the thread was all about him??

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:

quote:

Let’s not forget that all of this got started because of Andrew hammering another operator .

I think the word hammering may be slightly overstating my defense of a good character whom I have hunted with and whom I simply stood by in his predicament with Buzz. Not that Buzz gives a fuck.

Do you suggest I keep quiet after all the malicious accusations you lot have thrown at me?

If you want this to end then you and others stop your absurd presumptions.

quote:

Saeed - I am not calling Ibi. What in the world would I say??? "Hey Ibi, you are acting like Joe Biden. Taking people's money and not giving them what they were expecting. Pay them back..."
With all of your connections in the hunting world, maybe you should call Ibi....

quote:

Originally posted by fulvio:

quote:

He could not stop himself from continuing to comment . He should have just shut the f@&k up at some point . He couldn’t

Had he kept quiet (as in taking the 5th) he would still be called out and any which way you look at it, Andrew has been turned into the scapegoat as Ibi (the one who pocketed the money) seldom gets mentioned.

Would Andrew be in the same spot had he not "attacked" CMS?

quote:

Originally posted by fulvio:

quote:

Saeed - I am not calling Ibi. What in the world would I say??? "Hey Ibi, you are acting like Joe Biden. Taking people's money and not giving them what they were expecting. Pay them back..."
With all of your connections in the hunting world, maybe you should call Ibi....

The injured party who has waited 8+ months for his refund should have long considered contacting the Embassy in Lusaka to lodge a formal complaint against this rogue operator (Ibi).

Diplomatic missions are operating in foreign countries also to safeguard the interests of their nationals and CME is one of them even if he is not a resident of Zambia.

Believe me when I say Embassy involvement through a strongly worded Note Verbale to the host Min. of Foreign Affairs will produce results.

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:

quote:

Originally posted by ilitshe_zim:
really....

For your info regarding the man that sold,marketed, instructed CME

Definitions of complicit. adjective. culpably involved. synonyms: concerned, implicated involved. connected by participation or association or use

AR member quote - With 29 posts since 2009, me thinks Mr. I. Zim is an anti-hunting plant on AR. One should review prior posts such as OXpecker. Believe me they monitor websites such as ours...

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
And Ibi might reply that he souvenir in this situation if the government didn’t screw things up!