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Originally posted by 22WRF:
Many businesses finance new purchases with curent sales advances.

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
However, one thing is for sure. If you hang the guy now, he isn't going to finish his orders.

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Originally posted by jimmyd264:

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Posted 22 May 2008 20:30 Hide Post
MHC TX

Thank you for your well thought out opinion.

But what if I am correct in my theory? If I am correct that Mr. Hein was undercapitalized and was relying on later orders to finance previous orders, then this thread basically cut some throats. Why/ Because this thread caused future customers to stop ordering, thereby causing Mr. Hein's financing to go down the tubes. And now there is no financing to finish previous orders. Again, I don't know if that is the case or not, but it certainly could be a possibility.

WRF, do you ever read what you type before you post here? What part of "THIEF" do you have trouble understanding. You are just the type of bleedin heart mother fucker that would try to defend the actions of some POS like Greg Hein, lets call a spade a spade,Greg Hein is a lier,cheat and a theif

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Originally posted by 22WRF:

I have clients every month who don't pay me. Last year I had one file for bankruptcy that owed me $8000. This year I have had 2 that each owed me more than $3000.

I have learned to just let it go because my doctor advised me that in type A presonalities there is a definite effect on increasing blood pressure, which over time can contribute to heart disease. My health is worth far more to me than money, and I don't have that much money.

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You misinterpreted the meaning of my words.

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Originally posted by brad may:

If you came into my shop with an action and asked me to copy it only using manual machines, after I stopped laughing you would get a rough quote (very rough) of ten grand. I wouldn't ask for money up front but it would damn sure be COD.

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Originally posted by 500grains:
When the thread was started he had already lost his CNC. How he hopes to build actions on a hand mill is beyond me, unless he plans to work for $2 per hour.

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Yes there should be a severe penalty for non-delivery. I agree with that.
However, one thing is for sure. If you hang the guy now, he isn't going to finish his orders.

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Originally posted by jorge:
No word. There are other good folks from here that hein has deposits and blanks as well. If/when something breaks in the way of news, I'll let you guys know. I'll remain optimistic. jorge

Men of Harlech

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Originally posted by 500grains:
When the thread was started he had already lost his CNC. How he hopes to build actions on a hand mill is beyond me, unless he plans to work for $2 per hour.

That is not true. When I visited his shop in April he still had it. In fact it seems as if his time was being spent on attempting to program it rather then working on his customers orders.

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Originally posted by Pete E:

If he fails to reply to your lawyers letters, what happens next?

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Originally posted by 500grains:

If the complaint is not answered in the statutory time period, then a default judgment is entered. The default judgment is served, and then the attorney can begin to enforce against assets. That can include loading equipment into a moving truck and hauling it off for auction.

Attorneys fees and out of pocket expenses are charged to the debtor during this process, often resulting in him paying 2x. 3x or 4x the original debt due to his recalcitrance.

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Originally posted by 500grains:
Expect to hear on the very last day. If at all.

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I'm a fourth generation California native. Which means my ancestors crossed the Plains in '49. When my grandmother taught me to catch trout in those gin clear Sierra streams, she let me know that there was more to fishing than catching fish.

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Originally posted by flaco:
Yikes!

It's a tragedy.

jorge's on his way to Africa to kill animals, and his new rifle won't be here on time.

Is he gonna have to shoot some generic rifle?

Okay, it's true, it's true.

Mainly, jorge has a couple of safes full of rifles, but, well, it was his dream, his dream, TThat is exactly right. You should have stopped there. IT IS HIS DREAM, what's wrong with having a dream and taking steps to have it fulfilled? to shoot these brand new custom rifles that nobody has ABSOLUTELY WRONG or can afford WRONGER on his dream safari to Africa.

He wants to stand in Hemmingway's shoes.That's your opinion and even if it were true, what's wrong with that? You whole post is shot through with a degrading tone, why is that?

I've been avoiding this thread You should have gone with your first instinct.--I know nothing about Hein--but I am here to tell you jorge doesn't really want his Hein action for a Safari, what he wants is to be a novelist.Again, assuming it's true, so what?

Most recently, we've been blessed with some rich prose about shooting his Ruger.

Delightful!

I'm sorry. You should be sorry you posted this drivel.

I'm not at all certain about the need to go to Africa and kill animals. So why are you pontificating on that of which you have little knowledge and apparently no experience?

I can understand the desire.

But I am here to tell you that if you're bent on Safari, any gun will do. Well....doh....just as any car will do for basic transportation....some can afford a larger, faster, better car......you seem to have a problem with other's choices which are none of your business.

I'm a fourth generation California native. Which means my ancestors crossed the Plains in '49. When my grandmother taught me to catch trout in those gin clear Sierra streams, she let me know that there was more to fishing than catching fish.Now who's the novelist?

It certainly wasn't about gear.

And it wasn't about catching.

In contemporary terms, it was about process.

Sneakin' up on those trout.

In fly fishing terms, the delicacy of presentation.

Just being there, being able to identify the species around, and an appreciation of natural beauty. Pray tell, how does having a custom rifle in your hands interfere with any of the above?

In my world, a hunter will take whatever rifle comes to hand. It doesn't have to be a Griffin and Howe. "In my world".....you should realize that "your" world is not "the" world and others may have differing and equally valid ways of accomplishing their goals, hunting or otherwise. What a self-centered post!

He hunts for the pure pleasure of it. Again, having good or expensive equipment does not distract and may well enhance the pleasures of the hunt. Why take an expensive down bag on a mountain sheep hunt, when you could probably survive with a couple of blankets? Geesh. With an appreciation for nature and whatever limited time he's able to spend in natural surroundings. So, in "your" world, having a custom rifle in your hands inhibits a hunter's ability to appreciate nature?

A trophy is nice, but..., well, important mainly for rich Americans. This has class envy written all over it, how many people in "your" world hunt for subsistence? A trophy is a memento of a hunt and is found in almost all societies and damn sure is found in all of them who pay for an African hunt.

I am an absolute sycophant of Duane Wiebe and his rifles, but have to think that way too many of our contributors want to make a made for TV movie out of their Safaris.

In my view, killing an animal is best kept between you and your guide and the animal. That's your view, so......

Keep it to yourself, like religion. Good advice, you should follow it yourself.

If you feel the need to make a novel--or a non-fiction story of your safari--it's not about hunting, it's about you.So......

I love beautiful rifles, and have spent way too much time trying learn to make them.

I'd like to see more of this on our Gunsmithing forum.

I am way too tired of hearing from clients who don't want to wait for a custom rifle. Well, the obvious solution is not to read this and other related threads.

Because, as I've suggested, a real hunter will take whatever rifle comes to hand. There you go again, so a hunter using a custom rifle is less "real" than one using a factory rifle? Perhaps in "your" world?

Because it's about hunting. Not about whichever rifle you're hunting with. As you yourself said, "In contemporary terms, it was about process." and planning and obtaining a custom rifle tailored for you and the game you hunt is part of the process. You should do it your way and not attempt to degrade those who have another process.

flaco

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I've been avoiding this thread