roger

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Originally posted by 12FVSS260:


Whats your post got to do with answering HotCores question? Did I say you were unethical? A shot in the heart/lung area doesn't relate at all to a post on spine and scapula shots. H/L shots are great and not unethical at all but why you quote my answer and than try to get ethics drawn into the answer about where a behind the scapula shot ceases to be an instant killer and still drops the game instantly but doesn't actually kill them instantly due to lack of CNS shock. Read HotCores question......and my answer......and then ask yourself what your response has to do with either. Geeeze Tom I haven't been giving you a hard time this entire thread.....do you want to debate something here?

Sorry, I have hotcore, mountdoug, and ireload on ignore so maybe I took things out of context being as I haven't been reading what they say directly. Apologies.

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Originally posted by the Chairperson (for you politically correct folks) of the Montana Head Blasters Association(MHBA):
...Hot Core and I are still getting along fine, kinda strange huh???

What do you mean by that comment - Pilgrim????????? Trying to start something??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

RL-22???? Some kind of "Rimfire Powder"?
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Well, I guess I might as well toss in my favorite shot. I like the Bullet to Enter LOW through the Shoulder area, go through the back side of the Heart and Exit a bit Lower through the off-side Shoulder area.

In Dave's flick, I really like it when the bone which runs from the bottom of the Scapula to 7 o'clock gets destroyed as the Bullet goes right on through. Right where the 5th Rib is behind that bone.

Second favorite shot includes at least one Shoulder going in or coming out, blasting the Heart and Low in the Body.

Since the Heart is involved, that always keeps one of the Bullet Holes in the lower 1/4th-1/3rd of the Body. That generally creates a Blood Trail for me "if" the Deer is somehow able to move from the Point-of-Impact.

So the goal is a heart that looks like this one?



.44 mag Mulie buck a couple years back, guess how far I had to chase him?

"Disclaimer"
No jaws were injured in the filming of this picture!!!

Oh yeah!!!

Combined with the broken leg/shoulder bones and a nice Exit, and you have an easy to locate Kill.

He moved about two feet, straight down.Actually no broken anything as he was standing plumb broadside, wrecked a little rib meat.

"Hot Core Quote"
I see some folks recommend a High Shoulder shot, which they hope will sever the Spine. Obviously that would drop the Deer, but would it result in a clean, quick Kill? If Yes, how much farther Aft is it before it just drops the Deer but does not result in a clean, quick Kill?

What do you think and Montdoug think?

Spine shots are way lethal but I'm an admitted and bona-fide meat hunter and the spines all nicely wrapped in Loin meat. What do you think I think? .

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by 12FVSS260:


Whats your post got to do with answering HotCores question? Did I say you were unethical? A shot in the heart/lung area doesn't relate at all to a post on spine and scapula shots. H/L shots are great and not unethical at all but why you quote my answer and than try to get ethics drawn into the answer about where a behind the scapula shot ceases to be an instant killer and still drops the game instantly but doesn't actually kill them instantly due to lack of CNS shock. Read HotCores question......and my answer......and then ask yourself what your response has to do with either. Geeeze Tom I haven't been giving you a hard time this entire thread.....do you want to debate something here?

Sorry, I have hotcore, mountdoug, and ireload on ignore so maybe I took things out of context being as I haven't been reading what they say directly. Apologies.

Weakling..... You still owe me a response to the shoot a deer challenge.

No problem Tom.....didn't think how fractured the thread would be with different folks on ignore. My only point is to hit that scapula and you run a good chance of dropping your deer right there. I began using that shot when a heart shot buck made it 190yds into the thick stuff and took a bit of time and effort to locate. Seems they've done some research and without the benefit of the old blood pump a deer can still run flat out for a ways at times. I rely on that CNS shock to prevent that, I'm sure some heart shot deer drop in their tracks....but many go on a death run also. I've had two deer get hit farther back from the scapula, one due to a scope problem and the other was just moving faster than I anticipated. Both were dispatched quickly and didn't run anywheres. I'm done now, too many posters don't know what others are saying due to ignore feature and the topic has drifted off the original subject anyways. We all got our favorite shot for broadside facing deer and what works for ya....stick with. Cheers.

Dave

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Originally posted by ireload2:
...Weakling..... You still owe me a response to the shoot a deer challenge. ...

That is "why" your close and personal buddy "claims" he has you on ignore. You called him on his ignorance and now he has whimped and woosied out. I would have expected no less from the blowhard.Push them into Reality and it is always difficult on them.

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Originally posted by montdoug:
...Spine shots are way lethal but I'm an admitted and bona-fide meat hunter and the spines all nicely wrapped in Loin meat. What do you think I think? .

Huuuumm, I'd imagine you think, that I think, you probably think, I'd say you would prefer one of those Stunt Head Shots.

Come to think of it, I've not given "Dave" a hard time about "wasting" all that fine Neck Meat. The Deer I've Killed ALWAYS had more Neck Meat than Shoulder Meat. So, how `bout it Dave, are you ruining a lot of excellent Neck Meat???
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All this talk about Loins is going to force me into the freezer.

Nah no problem with too much neck meat loss I always try to shoot an extra big deer just to make up for any potential loss of any of those prime shoulder or neck steaks Just had some very tender loin diamonds the other night....Hmmmmmm....

Dave

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Originally posted by Hot Core:

quote:

Originally posted by ireload2:
...Weakling..... You still owe me a response to the shoot a deer challenge. ...

That is "why" your close and personal buddy "claims" he has you on ignore. You called him on his ignorance and now he has whimped and woosied out. I would have expected no less from the blowhard.Push them into Reality and it is always difficult on them.

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Originally posted by montdoug:
...Spine shots are way lethal but I'm an admitted and bona-fide meat hunter and the spines all nicely wrapped in Loin meat. What do you think I think? .

Huuuumm, I'd imagine you think, that I think, you probably think, I'd say you would prefer one of those Stunt Head Shots.

Come to think of it, I've not given "Dave" a hard time about "wasting" all that fine Neck Meat. The Deer I've Killed ALWAYS had more Neck Meat than Shoulder Meat. So, how `bout it Dave, are you ruining a lot of excellent Neck Meat???
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All this talk about Loins is going to force me into the freezer.

Hot Core
I hear you but I knew he was a greased weasel when he started that thread. I suspect that he will conveniently forget to come back to AR. He can see that the thread he started has been bumped to the top by my answer.

Hmmmm??? All this talk about wasted meat is making an old meathunter think I better start figuring a way to choke em to death, maybe I could use a hammer on em??? .
Don't get me wrong Hot Core my friend neck shots are a shot of last resort and only then under extremely favorable conditions. That in spite of being president of the "Montana Head Shooters Association" or what ever we are . I really much prefer wasting rib meat truthfully but I'm still not done thinking about the best strangle hold on a big bull for next year??? Don't think I'll have it figured by Friday when my elk hunting buddy who hurt his shoulder asked me to back him up on getting his elk. Last hunt of the year before going back to small caliber coyote hunting. (I don't shoot them in the head either you'll be happy to know ).

Hey Montdoug, Best of luck on the Elk Hunt!
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You'd have to have HUGE hands to Strangle Hold a Deer, but a K-Bar still works.

I'd guess it was a bit over 30 years ago that I began Hunting with my young buddy John. His wife had just had their second little girl and we were filling the freezers. Hard to believe the girls are that old.

It was a cold, miserable day(probably way down in the upper 40degs) and we decided to Man Drive a small set of Woods. We flipped to see who would do the Pushing and who would do the Waiting. John started Pushing and I got across a road at the edge of another set of Woods.

Eventually I spotted a large Doe and had her in the sights after she crossed the road. I knew John had not left the Woods yet, but I wanted to be absolutely positive so I waited. Once the Doe crossed the Road, she had to jump a drainage ditch and then there was about a 10yd wide bush-hogged stip before she would disappear into the Woods where I was.

She jumped the ditch and for some reason stopped to look back. Still I waited to hear John. I finally heard him and shot the Doe just as she turned to go into the Woods. We met at the Doe and it was quickly approaching the time to be out of the Woods - with firearms. I took his shotgun and my rifle, left John a flashlight and headed for the truck.

As I'm coming back down the road, I notice the flashlight beam moving all over the place in a rapid manner. When I get to John, the Doe was trying to crawl away. I'd hit her just a bit too high, just above the Spine at the Withers and it had just stunned her. John had nothing except the flashlight and was "trying" to get her once again unconscious with it.

Once I got there, a knife to the throat stopped everything quickly. The destroyed flashlight stayed on John's mantle for a very long time to remind us why we went to Mag-Lites.

It wasn't my old K-Bar(which I still have), but a good fixed blade knife worked swiftly to resolve the issue. That Doe is one reason why I prefer a bit lower shot.
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You might change your opinion of Venison Rib Meat if you try this. Saw the Ribs off the Spine and then saw them so they are "Short Enough" to fit inside a Crock Pot. Cut them apart so 3 bones are still connected together. Spray the Crock Pot with one of the release oils like Pam and stick the Ribs in. Add just a small amount of water, maybe a cup and cook on High until the Bones will "slip" out of the meat.

Put a bit of BBQ Sauce on the meat and serve with Field Peas, candied yams, collard greens, corn and hot biscuits. Has my mouth watering just thinking about it.

i have changed my mind...
I am now FOR headshots.

No, wait.
I was always for headshots.
Ok, im still for headshots.

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:
i have changed my mind...
I am now FOR headshots.

No, wait.
I was always for headshots.
Ok, im still for headshots.

on your license or daddy's?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:
i have changed my mind...
I am now FOR headshots.

No, wait.
I was always for headshots.
Ok, im still for headshots.

on your license or daddy's?

either way the deer wont be tied to a tree w/ an ear tag.

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Robert_in_mt
new member

Posted Fri Dec 07 2007 12:28 AM Hide Post
I've read through all of this and here's my thoughts.
A deer's brain is about the size of a small apple, a deer's heart and lung area is about the size of a cantalope. Go set up some apples and cantalopes at 300yds to 600yds and shoot them. If you can hit the apples every time and feel they are easier to hit than the cantalopes, then always use head shots.

By the way I shot deer to kill them, sometimes in head, sometimes in neck, sometimes in heart. I always know where shot is going to hit before I take a shot, I pass up more shots than I take.

Nicely put and a good analogy. I agree whole heartedly.

Hot Core we took a guy out yesterday and now we're down to one to go.
Try as ya will ya can't tell guys that cows taste better and a brush head will be a nice bull in a couple years. They see horns and it all goes out the window.At any rate this one got dinged to far to the rear and I sure didn't want him reaching the "tall" timber so I helped get him in the truck so to speak . Note the blood running down the side of his head below his ear? "Cursed head shots" , I used that unsporting .300 Win Mag again.(for such an unsporting round it sure seems to thump em like Gods own hammer!)
He should be tasty what with still having milk on his lips and all, so would any a the cows running with him as well. Darn shame really couple years he'd a made somebody a dandy trophy.
Oh well. One more hunt today than back to the fun stuff without all the work attached .



Good hunt anyway

I myself don't use head shots. Too many variables. I am going on 47 years of age now, but I do remember about 20 years ago I tried a neck shot on a whitetail in Wisconsin. At the time, I wanted to see what a 140 grn. bullet would do out of my 7MM Rem Magnum. The range was about 150 yards. At the shot, the deer's head kind of snapped to the side and I knew I hit it in the neck. The animal took off like a scalded cat, but fortunately it ran angling back toward me. I rechambered and fired again, missing the animal. The only time I have ever missed using this rifle. I am extremely careful about picking my shot. I rechambered another round and waited, knowing I hit it hard on the first shot by the way the head whipped. The animal ran about 100 yards and tipped over, trying to get it's feet back under it. I squeezed off another round, this time going for the heart area. That one put it down for keeps.
I was amazed that this animal ran at all as I had never had that happen before, either. Upon examination, there was a large hole in the neck that would have been fatal, but nobody told the deer. I dragged it to my truck and when I went to lift it, the neck snapped right where the bullet had entered and the head just flopped around. Strange things happen when hunting, at least to me. The reason I wanted to try a neck shot was to see how my 140 grn. handloads would perform with that particular shot. I am always trying something a little different. My Ruger has never driven tacks and I have been handloading for it since I bought it when I was 15. I used to shoot every day, 7 days a week on my property. I will not try a head shot on deer with my rifle which groups 1-3/8 inches @ 100 yards. But, that is just me. Thanks for reading this.

I had a chance to take a nice buck when I was in Tx(Military) This buck though he was just a nice six point on public land was a smart one to be sure never saw his vitals as he would stop with them covered with a big tree every time only shot if I took it was head or neck-then again his head was always moving so taking a shot was out of the question! That's my point I hardly ever see a deer with a stationary head-real small target -so no I wouldn't and I consider my self a pretty good shot I just have more respect for the game I guess!

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By Montdoug:
...this one got dinged to far to the rear

I see what you mean about the "potential" to be a nice Trophy.

Wind caused the poor shot, rag M70, Mouser or nerves?

On a relevant note that doesn't involve any mudslinging of any kind because I'm bored with those people:

Princeton University psychologist Daniel Kahneman, PhD, was awarded the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences for his groundbreaking work in applying psychological insights to economic theory, particularly in the areas of judgment and decision-making under uncertainty.

Kahneman is recognized for the pioneering research and theoretical work he conducted with colleague Amos Tversky, PhD, who died in 1996.

The team's findings have countered some assumptions of traditional economic theory--that people make rational choices based on their self-interest--by showing that people frequently fail to fully analyze situations where they must make complex judgments. Instead, people often make decisions using rules of thumb rather than rational analysis, and they base those decisions on factors economists traditionally don't consider, such as fairness, past events and aversion to loss.

People statistically tend to only correctly judge risk at the extremes (very, very high or very, very low). In between the extremes, they tend to overestimate low risks and underestimate high risks.

I reckon that's where this "endless" debate comes from.

Cheers,
Tom

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:
i have changed my mind...
I am now FOR headshots.

No, wait.
I was always for headshots.
Ok, im still for headshots.

on your license or daddy's?

either way the deer wont be tied to a tree w/ an ear tag.

yep, i figured you wouldn't have much compuction against poaching


Of course you wouldn't have an ear tag, as you wouldn't be willing to pay someone for a deer, and if you poached it, you would be in jail, as they would call the wildlife officer FOR you.

Thank You Tom,
I don't get much opportunity to log on, but today is different. My brother owns a .204 and I have shot it. It is accurate. I do hope you noticed in my previous note that I mentioned what my rifle is capable of in terms of group. I feel this is important. What the rifle is capable of grouping. I do not believe we are on opposite sides here. In my type of hunting, I am not afforded a rest to shoot off. Heavy clothes, running game, cold conditions, etc. all add up when it comes to shot placement. Doing what I do, the way I do it would not lend itself to a headshot. I intend no offense to you or anyone. Thanks for reading.

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Originally posted by Paul R. Pinkall:
Thank You Tom,
I don't get much opportunity to log on, but today is different. My brother owns a .204 and I have shot it. It is accurate. I do hope you noticed in my previous note that I mentioned what my rifle is capable of in terms of group. I feel this is important. What the rifle is capable of grouping. I do not believe we are on opposite sides here. In my type of hunting, I am not afforded a rest to shoot off. Heavy clothes, running game, cold conditions, etc. all add up when it comes to shot placement. Doing what I do, the way I do it would not lend itself to a headshot. I intend no offense to you or anyone. Thanks for reading.

Thanks, that was my point. There's a big difference between spending 15-20 minutes lining up a shot prone on a stationary animal from shooting at a running game animal. Apples and oranges.

As a friend recently said:

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You could have a video showing someone, maybe even a girl, load a 204 rifle, shoot a deer, dress it and retrieve the bullet, mic the diameter, and those 3 God's of the Cyber Kill would reply with the same generic bullshit answer they have for anyone that dares blaspheme their views on hunting.........

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Hot Core
one of us

Posted Fri Dec 07 2007 3:29 PM

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By Montdoug:
...this one got dinged to far to the rear

I see what you mean about the "potential" to be a nice Trophy.

Wind caused the poor shot, rag M70, Mouser or nerves?

Just a guess but I'd say in no particular order: lack of practice, the aforementioned nerves, lack of patience, and on and on.
A herd of about a hundred and twenty of em moving up a draw in no particular hurry, we had em dead bang! Fella hasn't taken a lot of elk and instead of taking the time to wait for a bigger one (big bulls like to let the riff-raff go first). There were actually a number of nice bulls bringing up the rear. He couldn't stand the stress, jerked his rifle up and yinged one off off-hand at about 120 yards. I heard the "thwack" of a solid hit, saw this one hump-up gut hit and as the fella (friend of my buddies) started to shoot into the herd again I stopped him. As the herd took off in high gear this guy fell to the rear gimping.I pointed out he was hit and after my buddies friend kicked up dirt about 15 yards from him with another off-hander I went prone and put one in the side of his head. He went straight forward on his nose, and Dann'l Boone didn't have to kiester whack any more innocent victims .
At the risk of pissing off everyone on the site I gotta say that if I was in charge of everything we might well adopt a Sweden like proficiency test to obtain a hunting license. It's amazing how many "hunters" couldn't hit a bull in the butt with a banjo! Pitiful.

Look at my avatar ,, nuf said ...... Head shots on deer Body shots on brown bear ...DRT 416 Rem mag ..

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Originally posted by montdoug:
...At the risk of pissing off everyone on the site ...

I sure don't understand you folks that just go around getting everyone all upset.

A Proficiency Test would pretty much end the attempted Stunt Head Shots - due to laughter.

When I was a kid, a fella in our neighborhood stuck a .45 in his mouth and pulled the trigger. He lived the next twenty some years as a vegetable.

As far as hot cores getting people upset remark- - - - WHAAAAAAA.Pot kettle thing???? but entertaining roger

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Originally posted by bartsche:
When I was a kid, a fella in our neighborhood stuck a .45 in his mouth and pulled the trigger. He lived the next twenty some years as a vegetable.

Ex-neighbor lady became a paraplegic and put a .380 in her mouth wrong because of depression over loss of use of her legs. Didn't lose much cognitive ability but managed to make herself a quadraplegic now and has intimated the worst thing is that now she can't even try again and she's just more crippled and bored. If you're going to suicide you need to make sure you do it right or modern medicine will add you to their veggie garden.

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Posted Sat Dec 08 2007 10:33 AM Hide Post
When I was a kid, a fella in our neighborhood stuck a .45 in his mouth and pulled the trigger. He lived the next twenty some years as a vegetable.

Proves my point, a good percent of the folks out there can't shoot for sour owl squat!! (Sorry, sick attempt at humor)

As far as hot cores getting people upset remark- - - - WHAAAAAAA.Pot kettle thing???? but entertaining roger

Bartsche I believe that remark was made with a large degree of self aware facetiousness on the part of brother Hot Core. I know I laughed.

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Originally posted by ireload2:

Weakling..... You still owe me a response to the shoot a deer challenge.

I've got feelers out on some day hunts, ranches are my choice, and you just might get your wish especially if it involves culling a doe, I'm not buying you a Boone and Crockett, you gotta do that on your own, I just want to see your superior fieldcraft. I never put any weasel words in what I said and I'm not a weasel.

Owed response answered. Some of these places it would be short notice as to availability, how far ahead do you need to plan to try to teach me a lesson? Centerfire season only?

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Originally posted by montdoug:
...Bartsche I believe that remark was made with a large degree of self aware facetiousness on the part of brother Hot Core. I know I laughed.

I think my "face" is just fine.
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Hey Montdoug, I thought your close and personal buddy had all of us on Ignore? Maybe I misread a previous post.
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Question for anyone that has gotten this far. With the following assumptions:
1. You have a 223Rem rifle shooting a 55gr SP.
2. The Velocity is 3300fps(which is about MAX in a 26" Barrel), "to make it easy".
3. The Trigger Yanker is able to get consistent 0.5" 2-shot groups at 100yds, "to make it easy".
4. Your Target is 325yds away measured with a device that can have a 1.5% variance in accuracy.measured with a device that can have a 1.0% variance in accuracy, "to make it easier".
5. The actual target is 1.75"H x 4.25"W is 2.0"H x 4.0"W, "to make it easier".
6. Scope is 8x.

What is the Maximum and Minimum Point-of-Impact the Bullet could make "Above and Below" Dead Center, if there is Zero Wind and the Trigger Yanker is able to have the Sear Release when he is perfectly aligned with the Center of the Target?

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Originally posted by Hot Core:

quote:

Originally posted by montdoug:
...Bartsche I believe that remark was made with a large degree of self aware facetiousness on the part of brother Hot Core. I know I laughed.

I think my "face" is just fine.
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Hey Montdoug, I thought your close and personal buddy had all of us on Ignore? Maybe I misread a previous post.
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Question for anyone that has gotten this far. With the following assumptions:
1. You have a 223Rem rifle shooting a 55gr SP.
2. The Velocity is 3300fps(which is about MAX in a 26" Barrel), "to make it easy".
3. The Trigger Yanker is able to get consistent 0.5" 2-shot groups at 100yds, "to make it easy".
4. Your Target is 325yds away measured with a device that can have a 1.5% variance in accuracy.measured with a device that can have a 1.0% variance in accuracy, "to make it easier".
5. The actual target is 1.75"H x 4.25"W is 2.0"H x 4.0"W, "to make it easier".
6. Scope is 8x.

What is the Maximum and Minimum Point-of-Impact the Bullet could make "Above and Below" Dead Center, if there is Zero Wind and the Trigger Yanker is able to have the Sear Release when he is perfectly aligned with the Center of the Target?

I've got the trophy and photographic evidence along with witnesses and you still have hot air not a hot core. I ran back through the "ignored post" people for grins because I got a PM that people had said things that would make me laugh even more.

It's a boring argument. You think I'm unethical, I think you're a pompous pretentious twat. None of this will change. Yet you still keep going...even when ignored for many days...And the stability of WHO is in question here? Check your mirror buddy.

I'll tell you what warm bore... my neighbor has a 400 yard range. I have my .223 with an 8X scope. You sign a release and go stand by the target stands and I get to see if I can put one in your eye to shut you up? No ranging shots, just the one.

Go ahead, exercise your "e-cock" some more. We are all so impressed.

---My daddy said talk is cheap and it takes a good shot to shoot large plains game with small bore rifles. He also said it took almost nothing for somebody who wasn't even on a hunt to blather about what he does and doesn't believe. Wrestle with a pig and you both get dirty but the pig likes it. The holy bore seems to be a pig type spirit.

Be a big baby if ya like and play Kim du twat (moffie) and try to have me banned for calling spades spades. This discussion is so far beyond dead horses that you'd need a freight train to take them all to the rendering plant.

Especially interesting that the person claiming the Zebra Head Shot doesn't have a clue about "where" the Bullet could actually have gone!

Doesn't surprise me at all. Once a blowhard braggart is exposed, he doesn't have a chance with reality.
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Anyone besides me know the answers? How `bout the rest of you Head Shooters???

Of course, once you know the real answers to that "easy" Extreme Group Dispersion question, then that explains why taking such a moronic shot, is only bragged on by a blowhard fool.

Six pages headed for seven???

What's the record? roger

Robert in Mt, That looks like a fun game to try! (the fruits and stuff at varying ranges!) I may try that one to keep the young shooters interest up by different reactive targets! (Limes, Lemons or Grapefruit will definitly have good splatter effects!) Their splattering will probably mimic the explosion eminating from a deer's head when smacked with about any of the VMAX family of bullets from the 6mm's on up!!! GHD

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Originally posted by Robert_in_mt:
If you have a 1/2 MOA rifle shooting from bench, at 325, the best group average you will have is 1 5/8", double that for field conditions off bipod or shooting sticks.
By the way you would also have to know temp, elevation and pressure, as these can change your POA by inches. By the way you would need 12" to 18" of hold over (100yd zero)on shot depending on BC of bullet, temp, elevation and other weather conditions where you sighted in vs where you take shot at. Wind gets real ugly on .22s also just ask the 1000yd guys.

I truthfully hit within 6" of where I wanted to as to POA. My money, my ethics, my hunt. If people don't like it they don't have to. Rifle was 200 yard zero for what it was worth so your holdover is a bit off. Was also significantly down hill, as far as shots go, so factor that into how impossible it was, and yet it was done. Prone, no bipod, no sticks, decent fallen log for a rest.

game sounds fun though. Kinda like when we used to shoot trap after hours at the range and whoever could hold out longest and still blast the clay one that round.

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by Hot Core:

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Originally posted by montdoug:
...Bartsche I believe that remark was made with a large degree of self aware facetiousness on the part of brother Hot Core. I know I laughed.

I think my "face" is just fine.
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Hey Montdoug, I thought your close and personal buddy had all of us on Ignore? Maybe I misread a previous post.
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Question for anyone that has gotten this far. With the following assumptions:
1. You have a 223Rem rifle shooting a 55gr SP.
2. The Velocity is 3300fps(which is about MAX in a 26" Barrel), "to make it easy".
3. The Trigger Yanker is able to get consistent 0.5" 2-shot groups at 100yds, "to make it easy".
4. Your Target is 325yds away measured with a device that can have a 1.5% variance in accuracy.measured with a device that can have a 1.0% variance in accuracy, "to make it easier".
5. The actual target is 1.75"H x 4.25"W is 2.0"H x 4.0"W, "to make it easier".
6. Scope is 8x.

What is the Maximum and Minimum Point-of-Impact the Bullet could make "Above and Below" Dead Center, if there is Zero Wind and the Trigger Yanker is able to have the Sear Release when he is perfectly aligned with the Center of the Target?

I've got the trophy and photographic evidence along with witnesses and you still have hot air not a hot core. I ran back through the "ignored post" people for grins because I got a PM that people had said things that would make me laugh even more.

It's a boring argument. You think I'm unethical, I think you're a pompous pretentious twat. None of this will change. Yet you still keep going...even when ignored for many days...And the stability of WHO is in question here? Check your mirror buddy.

I'll tell you what warm bore... my neighbor has a 400 yard range. I have my .223 with an 8X scope. You sign a release and go stand by the target stands and I get to see if I can put one in your eye to shut you up? No ranging shots, just the one.

Go ahead, exercise your "e-cock" some more. We are all so impressed.

---My daddy said talk is cheap and it takes a good shot to shoot large plains game with small bore rifles. He also said it took almost nothing for somebody who wasn't even on a hunt to blather about what he does and doesn't believe. Wrestle with a pig and you both get dirty but the pig likes it. The holy bore seems to be a pig type spirit.

Be a big baby if ya like and play Kim du twat (moffie) and try to have me banned for calling spades spades. This discussion is so far beyond dead horses that you'd need a freight train to take them all to the rendering plant.

Tom' don't blame your behavior on your father.
He would be ashamed of you.
No matter what you say, at 300 yards you are head shooting a large animal with a hard head with the equivalent of a .22 WRM. That is a stupid stunt.

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Originally posted by bartsche:
Six pages headed for seven???

What's the record? roger

Record is now seven and I bet blowhard hot air won't stand on the hill at 400. I'll type him up a waiver so as to cover my ass in his assisted suicide.