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Wanna know the biggest bore stories? The ones about how you are the god of all hunting and anybody that doesn't make the same choices as you is unethical or a "stunter."

My you sure have some thin skin there.
Tell us some more of your big boring stories.

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Wanna know the biggest bore stories? The ones about how you are the god of all hunting and anybody that doesn't make the same choices as you is unethical or a "stunter."

My you sure have some thin skin there.
Tell us some more of your big boring stories.

You're the one that's been pissy like a little bitch all week on this thread and habitually insulting to people that don't agree with you. Try Midol.

But I really want to know, was it a stunt or undergunning to shoot a large impala with a .300H&H? I'm planning another Africa trip and I am trying to decide what guns to take.

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Originally posted by ireload2:

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Wanna know the biggest bore stories? The ones about how you are the god of all hunting and anybody that doesn't make the same choices as you is unethical or a "stunter."

My you sure have some thin skin there.
Tell us some more of your big boring stories.

You're the one that's been pissy like a little bitch all week on this thread and habitually insulting to people that don't agree with you. Try Midol.

But I really want to know, was it a stunt or undergunning to shoot a large impala with a .300H&H? I'm planning another Africa trip and I am trying to decide what guns to take.

Well you are a bit of a name caller. You have that thin skin that seems to come from being an only child or growing up with a bunch of sisters?

Did you shoot the impala in the head too?

Once you were indecisive but now you are not so sure??? Pick your own poison and be sure to justify what ever you do by using some magic scope theory.

I still get to disagree with head shooting big game especially at long range.....

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Originally posted by ireload2:

Did you shoot the impala in the head too?

If you look at the impala pic I posted you will see the spine shot. So you are against head shots because you are blind?

Keep digging. You'll near china soon enough.

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by ireload2:

Did you shoot the impala in the head too?

If you look at the impala pic I posted you will see the spine shot. So you are against head shots because you are blind?

Keep digging. You'll near china soon enough.

You don't have to go to Africa to kill impalas.
If you are into that gangster stuff there is a lot of opportunity for you in the US.



I have to admit that I never shot an impala but I doubt that you needed a 300 H&H. Out at a friends ranch I made a fatal hit on a 1950 model Pontiac Chieftain. With it's huge straight 8 a head shot would have been too easy. I hit the differential dead center from 300 yards with a 30-30. It never moved an inch....

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Originally posted by ireload2:

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by ireload2:

Did you shoot the impala in the head too?

If you look at the impala pic I posted you will see the spine shot. So you are against head shots because you are blind?

Keep digging. You'll near china soon enough.

You don't have to go to Africa to kill impalas.
If you are into that gangster stuff there is a lot of opportunity for you in the US.



I have to admit that I never shot an impala but I doubt that you needed a 300 H&H. Out at a friends ranch I made a fatal hit on a 1950 model Pontiac Chieftain. With it's huge straight 8 a head shot would have been too easy. I hit the differential dead center from 300 yards with a 30-30. It never moved an inch....

Pitiful and Pathetic.........

This is one of the most irresponsible posts I've seen on this board in 10-12 months. It displays your complete lack of knowledge about hunting and may improperly influence beginners.

I feel it is my duty to point out the use of an "INADEQUATE CALIBER". Anyone with any experience would know that only an idot would take "differential shots" with a small calber round like a 30-30. Nothing more than a stunt.

The only adequate caliber for this type of "differential shots" is a 460 Wby Mag with 500g and even then I want to go on record as opposed to "differential shots" regardless of distance. And to take such a shot at 300 yards shows your complete disrepect for the car!!! What if there had been a crosswind and the bullet go blown off course and resulted in a window hit. What we don't need is more "Impala's" running around with window shot out.

Nothing you can say or do will change the facts of taking these "differential shots".

Anything less than a .510DTC or .50BMG is abusive behavior on a vehicle that size. Solothurn would be more preferable.

I don't care where ya shoot it or what ya shoot it with it's still gonna be tough as nails and taste like crap! I do have a recipe for "fender fricassee" if ya want it though? "Basted bumper flam beau"?

Stories like this are both funny and disturbing. Funny for obvious reasons and disturbing that mature individuals would act like a class of kindergarten kids. I head shoot when I am confident of the shot (I have lost confidence with the accuracy of my rifle due to changing the load and not having enough range time to get it back.) I would not recommend head shots for inexperienced hunters, but I guided a young guy this fall who hasn't shot a lot of deer, but is confident in his abilities and in the rifle. We leaned over a round bale, and he shot two mule deer does in the head within 20 seconds. Both were standing still, about 90 yards away, and the rest was solid. The first one fell so fast I couldn't catch it in my Binos. The second ran a few yards, and turned around and took a couple steps back. She dropped in her tracks. Two shots, two deer, .270 Wincester Standard. I tend to think that it is great if you are capable of doing it, but not everyone is that capable or confident. I have talked to people that I wouldn't want to hunt close to (in the same management unit), no matter where they shot.
Tom, Great shooting! It surprises me a bit that all you had was a .375 and a .223, but obviously you had the tools you needed, and it was sufficient. Way to go! When are you heading back to Africa?
Regards,
Graham

Oh yeah, I forgot to put in my response to the poll. I didn't vote. None of the response choices were accurate for anyone, unless they were included for humor. The whole poll was skewed to divide opinions sharply, and in that way only was it successful. This type of discussion comes up every so often when the pot is not agitated enough on the board.
Regards,
Graham

As one who has spoken to several of you over the phone lately on a hunting matter, I can give my two cents here.
First, Tom has a sense of humor that appears to have been missed in the beginning. He was making light of the fact that the opinion poll was a bit biased from the beginning.
Sort of like: If the election were held today, who would you vote for, Satan or candidate John Doe?...
As a hunter, guide and one who also has to shoot a lot of does to help manage a ranch, I have made a lot of head shot. Usually with a .223 or a .243. They are quick and to the point kill shots.
Are they all perfect? No. Are all 7mm Mag shots behind the shoulder perfect? No.
Is it something a rookie should attempt? No. Should someone who disagrees with my method of shooting cull does lump me in the same catagory as a rank amateur? No.
I have to go with Tom and Gatogordo on this one.

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Tom, Great shooting! It surprises me a bit that all you had was a .375 and a .223, but obviously you had the tools you needed, and it was sufficient. Way to go! When are you heading back to Africa?
Regards,
Graham

Had a .375 H&H, .45-70, a loaner .300 WinMag, Loaner .416, and the .223 was borrowed from a friend from gunsmith college that came along. Wasn't undergunned. He brought a precharged muffled .177 that was a treat on monkeys and guineas too. Next time around I'm taking the Lott too.

Got to have some gut surgery coming up but if all goes well I'll be back over in March or early April. Off season is harder hunting but it's also nice to be out by yourself mostly. Once you go once you keep going back. Stepping into the plains is like the sound of a girl saying "yes". Never forget either one and you will always try to repeat the scenario.

Not too many places look like this:



Also self-catering if you do it properly, My Impala and gun school buddy's francolins:



Worst thing is, you have to get up again the next day and go hunting again unless you choose to fish some too.

This thread is kinda like the Everready Bunny...

It keeps going and going and going....

and why both staying on topic!

in fact, what was the topic again???

awwwww. who cares....

off topic also... All you boys and your families have a Happy Thanksgiving!

cheers
seafire

May your turkeys be yummy, your pies be yummy, your whisky be peaty, and all your family and friends have a wonderful day. Screw it, have a good year too.

Boys, I think its time to piss on this fire and call in the dogs on this topic. I and my 13 yr old son are going deer hunting in Oklahoma for the next few days if our visas to visit underdeveloped 3rd world nations are in order.......


Happy Thanksgiving to all!

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Boys, I think its time to piss on this fire and call in the dogs on this topic. I and my 13 yr old son are going deer hunting in Oklahoma for the next few days if our visas to visit underdeveloped 3rd world nations are in order....... Wink

Good luck in your hunt and a happy Thanksgiving to you as well.
Not much better than hunting with your kids and grandkids...heck, "any" kid. It's the future of our sport. Hope he gets a big one!

Is this what everyone is so fired up about

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Is this what everyone is so fired up about

Yep, that's it, but not everybody is fired up about it.

Terry

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Originally posted by M70classic:
......shot two mule deer does in the head ....... The second ran a few yards, and turned around and took a couple steps back. She dropped in her tracks........Regards,
Graham

M70classic, if I may indulge, out of interest, the mule deer that ran a bit with a hed shot - I have never heard of that before - would you mind elaborating please? (My only head shot that ran off was a failed shot to the jaw! ) It is obvious to me that I will be taking a head shot again sooner or later.

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May your turkeys be yummy, your pies be yummy, your whisky be peaty, and all your family and friends have a wonderful day. Screw it, have a good year too.

If my IRISH whiskey were peaty I'd be more than a little bit ticked off.

And BTW, using a 223 for headshots like those pictured?

EXACTLY the intended result, NO meat wasted.

AD

well ok some people dont like the head shot on deer thing cause their head is mounted on a gimble and might move. fair enough not my personal exp. but hey whatever. what about pigsthey have a real short neck and their head does not move around much

What about .45-70s and squirrel head shots?

Dunno boys.......these might be stunt shots and could leave many pigs and squirrels running around with jaws blown off Actually anyone with an accurate rifle that takes the time to practice is more than capable of taking headshots. Its an individual decision that each hunter must make, has nothing to do with recoil or caliber......just ability.

Dave

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Dunno boys.......these might be stunt shots and could leave many pigs and squirrels running around with jaws blown off

Dave

Squirrel's jaw was blown off on the exit wound side of the head but he wasn't running around as far as I could notice.

on closer inspection I think it did blow his jaw off did not notice that untill you brought it up. still he did not run far from where he landed.

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by 12FVSS260:
Dunno boys.......these might be stunt shots and could leave many pigs and squirrels running around with jaws blown off

Dave

Squirrel's jaw was blown off on the exit wound side of the head but he wasn't running around as far as I could notice.

Tom,you need to visit NC before your next hunt. Every New Year there is a small town that has an annual Cannon shoot. Were talking bread box size cannons & larger,way larger. Those guys hit the local store and clean him out of blackpowder & fuses every year. We could probably set you up with on old blunder buss that tosses out a tennis ball size chunk of lead.

Just think what you could do to a tree full of monkees! maybe a nice load of chains & nails?

This year my friend killed a doe which had earlier in the day had its nose blown off.

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This year my friend killed a doe which had earlier in the day had its nose blown off.

That's what happens when you use that "Deer Cokaine" for bait.

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Tom,you need to visit NC before your next hunt. Every New Year there is a small town that has an annual Cannon shoot. Were talking bread box size cannons & larger,way larger. Those guys hit the local store and clean him out of blackpowder & fuses every year. We could probably set you up with on old blunder buss that tosses out a tennis ball size chunk of lead.

Just think what you could do to a tree full of monkees! maybe a nice load of chains & nails?

Sorta like The Whitetail Hunt With A Mountain Howitzer? http://www.buckstix.com/howitzer.htm

The Feral cats and mortar story is pretty good too.

http://www.buckstix.com/CoehornMortarHunt.htm

I have shot 3 legged deer more than once that some flinchie blew one leg off and it got away. have skinned a few that were carrying buck shot under their hide. shot a fallow buck that had had his throat cut by a near miss shoulder shot. he was festerd up but makin healthy tracks through the woods none the less.

it aint voodoo if you hit em wrong head or body its a.f.u. if you hit em right it ends rather quickly.

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This year my friend killed a doe which had earlier in the day had its nose blown off.

Yeah, someone is ALWAYS having to clean-up after stunt shooting.
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I was watching a game last night and happened to think of this thread. I really CAN NOT imagine a Professional Hunter allowing anyone to "attempt" to Kill a Zebra with a 223Rem. Then toss in - with a Head Shot at over 300yds and it is obviously time for the old:

I'm not saying the guy is a Lier, just totally wrong. Pitiful!

CRUSHER

After seeing that deer, I can understand using a head shot. I've shot deer that had one quarter weighed more that that whole deer does. If you shot it with a shoulder shot, half the meat would be gone. I would head shoot one of those and stuff it in my game bag made for pheasants!

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Hot Core
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Posted Sun Nov 25 2007 7:14 AM

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This year my friend killed a doe which had earlier in the day had its nose blown off.

Yeah, someone is ALWAYS having to clean-up after stunt shooting.
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I was watching a game last night and happened to think of this thread. I really CAN NOT imagine a Professional Hunter allowing anyone to "attempt" to Kill a Zebra with a 223Rem. Then toss in - with a Head Shot at over 300yds and it is obviously time for the old:
I'm not saying the guy is a Lier, just totally wrong. Pitiful!

Had the exact same thought amigo, unless it was a fenced hunt in Texas. My experience is P.H's are "real" particular about such things cause if there's a drop of blood you own it and they have to find it!
Before everybody flies off the handle remember I'm the guy that took a cow elk a couple weeks ago with a neck shot. She's in the freezer now, and the steak I had last night was delicious. Are Zebra tasty? I guess we all hunt for our own reasons and that's as it should be but how we do it does indeed effect us all whether we like it and want to admit it or not.

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jstevens
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Posted Sun Nov 25 2007 7:38 AM Hide Post
CRUSHER

After seeing that deer, I can understand using a head shot. I've shot deer that had one quarter weighed more that that whole deer does. If you shot it with a shoulder shot, half the meat would be gone. I would head shoot one of those and stuff it in my game bag made for pheasants!

I agree in this case I'm sure a .223 capable of shooting ground squirrels at 300 yards would be just the ticket on small deer like that one. From a rest, the deer standing still, reasonable distance= "duck soup"! Looks real tasty
I'm a meat hunter, what can I say?

guys that pig was so small you only had head shots to chose from but the deer is a full size axis doe not particularly small.

When monty and hot head pay for my Africa hunts then they are welcome to order me around.

I can't imagine PHs letting some people hunt at all and these ones knew me and weren't worried about my ability. My friend along with the monkey rifle was my best friend from gunsmithing college in Trinidad and we were co-range officers back then. He saw no problem with me taking the shot either and he's also a PH and a South African not some Texas friend I dragged along. None were concerned with my shooting ability and I was paying for the animal whether I lost it, which wasn't going to happen, or not. I wouldn't have been offered the loan of the BRNO with the statement of "if you're going to try you best go with this as there's no way you'll make a decent shot on it with express sights, it's up to you, if you pass on it that's ok too." As I said, it was a tough call whether to make the shot such that I deliberated for quite some time. It was going to be a couple thousand dollar shot either as a kill or a lost animal. I realized this as it was my USD paying.

You hunt your way, I'll do whatever the hell I want unless you're paying the bills.

It was on 80,000 hectares on the Limpopo about 3 miles in from the border fences with Zim near Messina, not some Texas hunting zoo.

Shot was taken prone from downwind on top of a large hill with a good rest and I had all the time in the world to line up the shot. Mare had no idea I was there and was slowly grazing. I probably glassed her 15-20 minutes thinking about it and spent ten lining up the shot.

The BRNO with Swarovski was set up to be dead on for minute of monkey brain at 300 so why wouldn't it be able to hit minute of zebra brain or deer brain for that matter? The answer is, there is no reason it couldn't and it did the job.

The day before, my Durban friend from school that was along for a few days took an impala female for biltong purposes with about a 275m head shot, shooting sticks rather than prone because of the angles involved. Same "monkey rifle." Two days in a row, same rifle, same long range head shots, both one shot kills by two different shooters familiar with the rifle and the particular loading.

It was likely more responsible hunting than the myriad of people, many that post here, that would think nothing of taking a 500+ yard shot of any kind on a deer, goat, sheep, or elk with a .270 or .30-06 across a windy mountain valley. People do that all the time. Why don't you start a thread about that? I imagine it leads to many more lost animals because when it takes you 3 hours or more to get to where the animal you shot was when you wounded it on a different mountainside it often is quite hard to find.

And yes, zebra are quite tasty.

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CRUSHER

Posted Sun Nov 25 2007 12:50 PM
guys that pig was so small you only had head shots to chose from but the deer is a full size axis doe not particularly small.


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Must be the photo angle, looked like a small whitetail doe. I just looked up Axis deer which I know nothing about and from what they say the does are about the size of good size Northern whitetail does. Do the does keep the spots and red color? The bucks are sure attractive animals with their color and spots. What's the meat like compared to whitetail?
As I said, looks tasty . So's the pigs by the way, those little ones would make some dandy Chile Verde! Or pork Carnitas Yum-Yum!

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[I just looked up Axis deer which I know nothing about and from what they say the does are about the size of good size Northern whitetail does. Do the does keep the spots and red color? The bucks are sure attractive animals with their color and spots. What's the meat like compared to whitetail?

Tastes better than whitetail. The does and bucks have the same coloring and spots. Axis deer in my book are the best tasting of deer to be found.

Fallow and Sika are trophy animals. Axis doe are probably the best tasting deer huntable in America (not counting Red deer/Stags, which are actually in the Elk family).

There are a couple exotic game ranches around Texas that offer $300 "cull a doe" Axis specials once in a while and it's well worth it for the meat. Just be careful you don't accidentally shoot a little spike. Axis shed and regrow their antlers based more on their birthday than season so it's easy to make a $300 hunt into a "I shot a $1500-2000 buck when I thought it was a doe" experience if you aren't careful.

I am a proud member of PETA or People who Eat Tastey Anamils