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Originally posted by ireload2:

Tom' don't blame your behavior on your father.
He would be ashamed of you.
No matter what you say, at 300 yards you are head shooting a large animal with a hard head with the equivalent of a .22 WRM. That is a stupid stunt.

I keep a room and bath for him in my house and he likes me. You are just some random dickhead of a rude nature on the internet. He's actually more ashamed of the fact that I bother to reply to people like you when I could be doing something productive than he'd ever be ashamed of me.

That would take a big waiver to cover your big dumb ass.

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Originally posted by ireload2:
That would take a big waiver to cover your big dumb ass.

When you start paying my bills you might, if negotiated ahead of time, have some say as to my choices. Otherwise you're just an idiot with an opinion. Enjoy your circle jerk with montduck and cold bore. I wouldn't want to assist his suicide without proper permissions. They put Kevorkian in jail for that.

You are so slow. I was not talking about your bills. I was talking about how BIG an ass you are.
It takes a real nut case to ask someone to let some one shoot at him without being able to shoot back.
How about it?
Are you willing to let someone shoot back?

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Originally posted by ireload2:
You are so slow. I was not talking about your bills. I was talking about how BIG an ass you are.
It takes a real nut case to ask someone to let some one shoot at him without being able to shoot back.
How about it?
Are you willing to let someone shoot back?

One round each like the old fashion duels? Sure. But he'd still have to sign a legal waiver. If both miss it's a draw. But the POINT WAS: if it's so impossible to do with a .223, he would, and you and monty, have no qualms about standing on that hill because the odds of me hitting him were so tiny it'd be like no risk at all because as you've already proven, such shots are never made...

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by ireload2:
You are so slow. I was not talking about your bills. I was talking about how BIG an ass you are.
It takes a real nut case to ask someone to let some one shoot at him without being able to shoot back.
How about it?
Are you willing to let someone shoot back?

One round each like the old fashion duels? Sure. But he'd still have to sign a legal waiver. If both miss it's a draw.

I don't care how you get killed.....

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Originally posted by ireload2:

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by ireload2:
You are so slow. I was not talking about your bills. I was talking about how BIG an ass you are.
It takes a real nut case to ask someone to let some one shoot at him without being able to shoot back.
How about it?
Are you willing to let someone shoot back?

One round each like the old fashion duels? Sure. But he'd still have to sign a legal waiver. If both miss it's a draw.

I don't care how you get killed.....

Reckon we're even on that as to how I view you but I hope on some level it's by some 12 year old girl with a .222 at 500 yards. It'd just be sorta more funny than if you fell over dead at your computer desk.

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by ireload2:

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by ireload2:
You are so slow. I was not talking about your bills. I was talking about how BIG an ass you are.
It takes a real nut case to ask someone to let some one shoot at him without being able to shoot back.
How about it?
Are you willing to let someone shoot back?

One round each like the old fashion duels? Sure. But he'd still have to sign a legal waiver. If both miss it's a draw.

I don't care how you get killed.....

Reckon we're even on that as to how I view you but I hope on some level it's by some 12 year old girl with a .222 at 500 yards. It'd just be sorta more funny than if you fell over dead at your computer desk.

You are really not making any sense. You should seek help from a medical professional.

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Originally posted by ireload2:

You are really not making any sense. You should seek help from a medical professional.

We are back to you needing a mirror.
I ignored this thread and then I didn't and did and didn't and you keep blathering on about something that has nothing to do with you except for your urge to display your "e-cock" on an internet forum.

MIRROR. It'd do you some good.

It all gets back to your trying to display your meat by head shooting a zebra with the equivalent to a .22WMR. Then after doing something stupid you brag about it and then try to defend your stupidity.

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Originally posted by ireload2:
It all gets back to your trying to display your meat by head shooting a zebra with the equivalent to a .22WMR. Then after doing something stupid you brag about it and then try to defend your stupidity.

Or you trying to display your supposed "moral superiority..." Two sides to every story.

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by ireload2:
It all gets back to your trying to display your meat by head shooting a zebra with the equivalent to a .22WMR. Then after doing something stupid you brag about it and then try to defend your stupidity.

Or you trying to display your supposed "moral superiority..." Two sides to every story.

You simply cannot defend your stunt shooting as ethical behavior.

So now he is wanting to Kill "people", or I suppose it would be more correct to say "attempt to Kill" people. Not enough backbone to go into the Military, and hasn't a clue as to where his Bullets have an extremely high probability of going. Pitiful!

Yes indeed, a true non-experienced blowhard who must be a direct reflection of his parentage.
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Hey Robert, We used to use Animal Crackers, and I had no problem with attempting Head Shots on them. Ants and varmints cleaned up the cookie guts quickly. But that was many years ago.
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I really expected some of the Stunt Head Shooters to come up with the Extreme Dispersion, but of course it only proves a complete and utter moron, with zero firearms knowledge, would even consider a 325yd Head Shot is something to blowhard about - let alone claim he took. While never considering that people who actually do understand External Ballistics would refute his ignorance. A pitiful pathetic blowhard fool.

Hey Robert, Yes indeed, getting that much info to align on this Board is a real task. I've done it with 3-4 variables and found it helps to put ( .... ) between the values. Then when I see how hosed up it is, I do a Edit a couple of times to adjust how many (dots) are in the line to get it somewhat aligned.
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That is a good start, but you forgot the 1% variance in the Range Finder. That gives you two separate distances the Target may be located, one closer than 325 and one farther away.

Then you have to figure a Worst Case situation on the Extreme Point-of-Impact for the normal Random Group Dispersion - meaning the Bullet might hit at the Upper Limit and/or the Lower Limit at each of the distances.

After doing all that, you will then know if the rifle/cartridge is even capable of making a clean Kill. And I didn't toss in Wind at all.

Plus, all this needs to be done before the 2" x 4" Target strolls away.

Best of luck to you.

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Originally posted by Robert_in_mt:
I once shot a coyote in head at 500 yds, I aimed for his heart, but missed judged wind by about 2 mph and hit him in head. Does this count as a 500 yd head shot coyote or just luck?

There is a bit of luck in EVERY shot ever taken on game as none of us are omniscient as to what the circumstances will be when the trigger breaks and what might happen atmospherically and with animal movement between when that occurs and when the bullet (hopefully) reaches it's target. Some shots just have a higher probability of success than others.

I think this should be blindingly apparent to anyone with half a brain. Are we going to end up with 8 pages on this now?

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Sorry, I have hotcore, mountdoug, and ireload on ignore so maybe I took things out of context being as I haven't been reading what they say directly. Apologies.

Sorta kinda don't really look that way.If I may ask kindly can you put me on your ignorance list as well? thanks in advance for your efforts

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Originally posted by ireload2:

You simply cannot defend your stunt shooting as ethical behavior.

Call PETA on me?

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Originally posted by Hipster:
I may ask kindly can you put me on your ignorance list as well? thanks in advance for your efforts

You put yourself on the ignorance list if not your parentage, has nothing to do with me. Of course there is a chance you had a stroke or head injury...You are welcome...and if you thought I wouldn't swing at a softball like what you just tried to toss and knock it out of the park, well then we are back to parentage or head injury on your part, aren't we?

Cheers,
tom

"Stunt Shooter" with .223 BRNO + Swaro who even shows his own face:



Misc. wankers on AR:



End of the never ending story, one hopes.



AS for the smart alecks, there was no offer of murder, I was just pointing out that they can look and act as much like that red balloon as they want but I bet they wouldn't risk standing by the target stands and wagering on their own life the shot couldn't be made.

Well this use to be entertaining but now it's swinging to less than adult. roger

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Originally posted by bartsche:
Well this use to be entertaining but now it's swinging to less than adult. roger

We all get out entertainment where we do...

In the story of doubter Sedgwick:

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As the bullets whistled by, some of the men dodged. The general said laughingly, " What! what! men, dodging this way for single bullets! What will you do when they open fire along the whole line? I am ashamed of you. They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." A few seconds after, a man who had been separated from his regiment passed directly in front of the general, and at the same moment a sharp-shooter's bullet passed with a long shrill whistle very close, and the soldier, who was then just in front of the general, dodged to the ground. The general touched him gently with his foot, and said, " Why, my man, I am ashamed of you, dodging that way," and repeated the remark, " They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." The man rose and saluted and said good-naturedly, " General, I dodged a shell once, and if I hadn't, it would have taken my head off. I believe in dodging." The general laughed and replied, "All right, my man; go to your place."
For a third time the same shrill whistle, closing with a dull, heavy stroke, interrupted our talk; when, as I was about to resume, the general's face turned slowly to me, the blood spurting from his left cheek under the eye im a steady stream. He fell in my direction ; I was so close to him that my effort to support him failed, and I fell with him.

I tried more than once to piss on this fire but the poofter bigots wouldn't let me so I'm gonna have fun with it as long as it lasts.

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Hipster
one of us


Posted Mon Dec 10 2007 6:39 PM

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I dig your Avatar, too cool.

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Originally posted by montdoug:
Hot Core we took a guy out yesterday and now we're down to one to go.
Try as ya will ya can't tell guys that cows taste better and a brush head will be a nice bull in a couple years. They see horns and it all goes out the window.

I can see shooting ONE bull in a lifetime
so you have a pair of wallhanger antlers

but frankly I'm 46years old and still don't see the point and doubt I ever will.
Yes, indeed, does do taste better....

I just can't see the point of choosing which animal you are going to shoot by antler size.
I was hunting with a friend and deliberatly shot a 4-point (eastern count) whitetail
even though there was an 8-point in view at the same time.
The other guy had used his buck tag already but had an unused doe tag, so he couldn't shoot the 8ghter. he asked simply "why?"

I said the 4 looked like a bigger buck and that 8 is probably as chewy as an old truck tire.

"but the rack!"

Write this down:
"You can't make chili from antlers!"
(or tenderloin medallion in butter with shallots either

AD

I'm with you Allan, I'm a bona-fide, certified meat hunter these days (except for that big 6x6 mulie buck I shot with my .44 handgun this fall, some old habits die hard and he looked so good standing there broadside with the wind in my face ).
The dry cow I shot this year weighed 220ish lbs of boned wrapped meat in the freezer. Throw a few grouse, pheasants, rabbits and a fish or two in there and our protein is basically free. You can throw a plain ole "round steak" on the grill and eat it with a fork. The other night I made a swiss steak to kill for.
This year as last I took a dry cow out of a herd that had at least 1 or 2 six point bulls in it (albeit kinda spindly but 6X6's any way). Both years my son thought I was nuts and my wife thinks maybe it is possible there is a functioning brain in there after all.
Having said all that when I was a younger fella like my 35 year old son (and younger) it was all about the big racks. And your buddys right, they make crappy soup.
That old article about the 5 stages of hunting has sure proven true in my life. Trailing on in to the end of it and kinda alright with it actually, I just dig being out there and getting hero points for stopping the fleeing wounded for friends. 4 or 5 thousand rounds a year on varmints out to 500 yards+ sure makes minute of elk a piece of cake.

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Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:

Write this down:
"You can't make chili from antlers!"

"If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day!"

You make a good point and yes, you have provoked me into thinking!

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Originally posted by montdoug:
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.....Good hunting to ya.

Thank you for your kind words. Good hunting to you too!

".....we might well adopt a Sweden like proficiency test to obtain a hunting license...."
I agree. Some 25 years ago I put myself through a 'hunters proficiency' test, run by the Natal Hunters Association. It was a theoretical exam. I would be willing to do a practical test. It would be good to have a qualified assessor tell me where my weaknesses lie. In fact, I might just look for someone to test me.

I have done it a few times.
With the proper shooter and the proper rifle/ammo, and when done correctly it works very well.

However, in the mainstream, I am against it.

I consider it a stunt.

Most shooters and most hunting rifles are not up to the task.

I do not like neck shots for the same reason.

It is just too easy for things to go wrong.

So, another discussion/poll turns into a pissing contest, contestants get wet and soon will smell....
Methinks if you don't like head/neck shots, then don't take them. Simple, eh? Someone early on stated: "I think most who do it are poachers with a 22 at night.. and don't want to cause attention to themselves..." Well, I didn't use a 22 RF and I didn't shoot at night but a lot of deer fell dead from a little 222 Rem Mag when I was a kid and my home state did not yet have a deer season although we had a ton of deer in our end. We ate a lot of "dark red beef" over the years and I don't recall ever blowing the jaw off one and I didn't shoot big deer. I do recall passing up a lot of shots but I did that with groundhogs and crows.
Since then I've shot deer with headshots and body shots, still take the headshot when the conditions are right. I have to know the weapon I'm using very well and the conditions have to be absolutely right. So, that's how I see it. Would I/ Will I take a headshot? Certainly I will. Will I pass up a shot or body shoot a deer? OF course, do it virtually every time I go out, and for a variety of reasons. Sometimes I'm offered a perfect setup and still do not take the shot, especially if I am out alone. I prefer to shoot one and then 'allow' my son or son-in-law to fetch it in. Certain benefits one acquires with advances in both age and wisdom!

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So, another discussion/poll turns into a pissing contest, contestants get wet and soon will smell....
Methinks if you don't like head/neck shots, then don't take them. Simple, eh? Someone early on stated: "I think most who do it are poachers with a 22 at night.. and don't want to cause attention to themselves..." Well, I didn't use a 22 RF and I didn't shoot at night but a lot of deer fell dead from a little 222 Rem Mag when I was a kid and my home state did not yet have a deer season although we had a ton of deer in our end. We ate a lot of "dark red beef" over the years and I don't recall ever blowing the jaw off one and I didn't shoot big deer. I do recall passing up a lot of shots but I did that with groundhogs and crows.
Since then I've shot deer with headshots and body shots, still take the headshot when the conditions are right. I have to know the weapon I'm using very well and the conditions have to be absolutely right. So, that's how I see it. Would I/ Will I take a headshot? Certainly I will. Will I pass up a shot or body shoot a deer? OF course, do it virtually every time I go out, and for a variety of reasons. Sometimes I'm offered a perfect setup and still do not take the shot, especially if I am out alone. I prefer to shoot one and then 'allow' my son or son-in-law to fetch it in. Certain benefits one acquires with advances in both age and wisdom! Wink

Another well thought out and wise post, I like your thoughts trapper. Shame the rest don't have the insight you seem too. Good Hunting.....see we both like swamps too....

Dave

Personally I am against it. I am not saying other people shouldn't do it. I am just saying that I won't do it. My grandfather keeps trying to talk me into doing it because it "doesn't waste any meat" as he says. My only reply is that I refuse to take a head shot and will continue to take heart/lung shots because that is what I am confident taking. I would be ill to my stomach if I tried a head shot and ended up just blowing a jaw off. That is a risk I am not willing to take.

P.S. My grandfather learned to hunt from my Great Grandfather who lived on the FT. Belknap Reservation, was a Sea-Bee in the Aleutians in WWII, and after the war made a living outside of Drummond, MT by supplying power poles to Montana Power Company. While in Drummond wild game was the only source of meat for the family and by all accounts my great grandfather always took head shots. Also by all accounts he never missed. Then again by all accounts he seemed like he didn't need to aim. He made it look like it was by instinct and natural.

Wish I could be that good.

Correction to above: I have never taken a head shot by I did take a neck shot on an antelope buck this year. The bullet ricocheted off his spine and took out the doe to the right of him. Luckily I had two tags. Both animals dropped so fast I thought I had missed. Probably won't try again since next time I might just wound the doe.

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TrapperP

Wisely and well put TrapperP!

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Originally posted by tom`:

We all get out entertainment where we do...

Tom, you are wicked!

(Maybe we should reserve our head shots for those bloody Refs in France!!!! )

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
Hey 303guy, We obviously think a good bit alike on this subject.......
I see some folks recommend a High Shoulder shot, which they hope will sever the Spine.......

What do you think and Montdoug think?

Hi there, Hot Core. I have been thinking about this and in all honesty, I cannot offer any opinions. An experienced hunter once told me that a 'too high' a spine shot could strike a vertebra protrusion which will knock the animal down but that it will recover. I had an experience, which would fit that description - my host stopped me from firing a finishing shot (having seen how the animal went down like a ton of bricks) but when we got close, the animal got up and ran away. I just hope it survived OK.

This is what someone else has to say; "A spine shot will flop 'em, but it's a low percentage shot. "

Will today be Page 8 day?? roger

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Originally posted by bartsche:
Will today be Page 8 day?? roger

Maybe! By the way, I appreciate your input about what happened in that flick of the Buck I sent you. I've seen a bunch of Gut Shot Deer, but I never saw what you told me about before.
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Anyone reading this that has the January 2008 NRA American Hunter I want you to take a look at page 80 - Member's Hunt.

In the Bear story, the fellow mentions the Bear was initially spotted at 420yds and is getting closer and closer. Down to 100yds.

In the next to the last paragraph the fellow mentions, "I had the crosshairs right between the big boar's eyes. (I like the brain shot on big animals with my tack-driving T/C 25-06.)"

Now, looking at the Bear, I have two questions:
1. Do you all consider that a big Boar?
2. Does anyone notice anything "missing"?

Maybe my eyes are as bad as a Head Shooter's Ethics!!!

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Originally posted by bartsche:
Six pages headed for seven???

What's the record? roger

Isn't that one still the 'MatchKing is not a hunting bullet' thread?

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Originally posted by 303Guy:

(Maybe we should reserve our head shots for those bloody Refs in France!!!! )

I was wearing my fern leaf black hat that day but I think the Boks still would have beat them in the final. At least that's where I had my money. Would have been an interesting matchup. Maybe 2008?

P.S. Got a new 2.5x-10 scope ordered for the .223AI Contender. Plains game and deer beware!

If you are against it maybe I could start a charity, "Kevlar head covers for ruminants and such." We could do infomercials late at night like Sally Struthers and the poor African children. "Save this poor animal from tom` with a .223! It's the least you can do! For only a dollar a day you could put part of a kevlar helmet on the head of something tasty tom` wants to shoot with an undersized cartridge. That's less than I bet you spend at Starbucks. Just do it, for the good of the saving the food animals!"

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Originally posted by Sambar 9.3:

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Originally posted by bartsche:
Six pages headed for seven???

What's the record? roger

Isn't that one still the 'MatchKing is not a hunting bullet' thread?

Is it wrong to hope for a "page 8" just out of spite?

This post would bring it to 40 posts on this page, does that get us a page 8 or do I have to tease people some more?