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50 B&M Super Short............. Test Subjects.............  http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Michael, You should have the ATV dipped in snow/camo just in case. ________________________________________________ 50 B&M Super Short............. Test Subjects............. ________________________________________________ I would need to cross-breed them with a eland to stop a 500 335 #13 NoNCon from a 50 B&M S-S | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by coyote wacker: Michael, You should have the ATV dipped in snow/camo just in case. we can make that happen as well, shoot let's do the pick up as well! | |||
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Now we Talking! This is getting better all the time! I only have a little problem now, all the snow is gone???? Oh, well, I will be ready for the next big snow that comes!!!!!!  Coyote, I think Brent is going to tell us how a .500 335 #13 NoNCon does from a 500 MDM sometime this week?? That should be interesting as well! Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Start hunting thur, pretty much on a whatever we see hunt with sable main goal, maybe tuskless, giraffe, eland who knows. Will report late next week. | |||
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My Kind of hunting, shoot whatever gets in the way of the rifle! LOL................. http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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How about some "Wood Porn" ????????? OK, I received the second WSSM Stock, built for our B&M Super Shorts last week. Its a hi grade Turkish, by none other than Accurate Innovations.................  I am no artist, and have no artistic abilities, and sometimes my imagination comes up short as well. Most of the time, almost always, on a new stock, I leave it up to Wes at Accurate Innovations to pick a nice blank, he can do so better than I can. When asked about checkering, I wanted some classy work on this stock, since it was the first Hi Grade for the Super Shorts, so once again, I left it up to Wes to decide. And, ONCE AGAIN, I am not disappointed in the least, in fact, I am very happy with the results. I put the stock on my newest 50 B&M Super Short. Take a look, let me know what you think as well............................       If you have need or desire a stock, do give Wes a call. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Michael: I was wondering, when the B&M series of cartridges where being developed, did you give any consideration to simply using the WSM cases as the parent case and simply necking it up? Would that work? Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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I'm kind of surprised there isn't a factory 375 or 416 WSM cartridge-- seems like a natural to me. A simple 325 WSM neck up should get you within 100 fps of the B&M of the same caliber, but you would lose some neck length. | |||
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Hi Dave I did, nixed that, necking up is not always that easy, and I wanted that extra length and case capacity of the cut down RUM case. It made a difference on several fronts. Yes, a WSM case would work and several have been done over the years. Whelenite, you are pretty close on the estimate of 100 fps less than the B&Ms, it runs 100-150 fps less. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Michael That is a very nice rifle, it would be even nicer if the action was a CZ. Pyzda | |||
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PyzdaAway............ http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Couple of little things to report of late..... Most are not going to believe this, and I can't even believe that I am reporting this, but right now I have been playing with a 375 B&M! Yes, I know, it's shocking.  But, make no mistake, it's NOT MINE!!!!!! This is the one Kevin, our Kevin here on AR, requested to be built for him. I have it, and have been working some loads for him, setting up a Nikon scope for him and such as that..... The only bullets I have are 300 BBW#13 Solids and matching 275 NonCons... I have ordered some 230 ESP Raptors from Dan, should have them this week. And While I appreciate it, before you ask, no I don't want any other bullets to test, thanks.... Only gonna work with some 230 ESPs and then get it ready to go to Kevin.... Turned out to be a pretty good rifle overall, running 300 BBW#13 Solids at 2615 fps with IMR 4320 and 2625 fps with RL 15. The 275 NonCon a bit better at 2674 fps with IMR 4320 and 2726 fps with RL 15.... Not bad with a 20 inch barrel. Not sure how that compares with other 375s, not something I am schooled in.....  http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Also, we had John From North Fork here this past weekend, and we had a hell of a good time I tell you. Sam came by on Saturday, and we shot most of the day, both the sh*t and rifles too! LOL..... John did some serious 50 B&M Lever gun work, which he really likes, I think his favorite B&M! Unfortunately I did not think to get photos of some very expert shooting he was doing.... But, when we sat down at the bench to shoot some 500 MDM and 50 B&M, I caught him trying to replace the CEB BBW#13 loads with some North Fork loads.......... But I think I caught him taking a closer look at some BBW#13s as well.....     We also set up and took some rifle photos, and I busted John big time trying to replace the ammo shots, and put North Forks in the front!!!!!!!!!  Oh man, did we have a blast the whole weekend..... I will leave you with one last photo to ponder..............  http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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I believe I recognize that jar!!! | |||
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He obviously took that picture just as he brought it out. Michael and I made quick work of it. Watch out for the blueberries in the bottom, WOW. I had a great time, and we just talked and shot the entire 2.5 days I was there. His whole family took me in like one of their own - even a Yankee. I have two good bruises on my arm/bicep tring to shoot the 500s as a target rifle. Started to hurt. In fact, I had to hand back Sam's 500NE after about 10 shots late in the day as my arm had nothing more to give. Luckily, Michael has some subguns to play with, and that always brings a smile. John North Fork Technologies | |||
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First off Thanks Michael458,for everything he has done for me, he has put on the scope, got me brass and dies,got loads worked up for me just need him to shoot my game clean it put it in the ice box and its a deal.I will be send ing check, have invoice will be sending it out.The rifle looks great I am very happy with this rifle.One more thing the Nikon 2x8 Monarch,I never really looked at them thought them to be cheap,but as I looked at it the more I like it,like the fact it has marks for hold over it need,I am very happy with this rifle,Kev  | |||
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HEH.... Yes, its empty now, before we left the building (can't say Range)...HEH HEH..... YIPPIE! We were shooting great, thank you! No buddy, you don't qualify for a yankee!  http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Hey Kev Yeah man, showing off your rifle a bit. No thanks needed at all. I am always extremely happy to do ANY SHOOTING you might require, but ain't much for the cleaning part........... Pretty good on the eat'in part however. LOL......... So far I am pretty well sold on the Nikons. Mechanics are great. Actually they are clearer for me than the leupolds, but could be my eyes???? They have some very nice features that I really like, rear easy and quick focus is one. Love that reticle, and it works! Just can't find any real downside to the Nikons.... And on the big bores I still have not broken one yet! Thats unheard of here. I am very happy that you like it. Wait until you get your hands on it, then you are really going to like it A LOT.... The way this rifle is set up, regardless of its "Small Bore Size" (HEH), its about as perfect as you can get for an Alaskan Rifle......... Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Kev, That is a really nice rifle and Michael told me never to tell I saw it in his gun room but the cats out now. That gun handles really good and smoking velocity for a 20 inch barrel. Sam | |||
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Sam's blueberry wine! I still remember that!  "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I will leave you with one last photo to ponder.............. [/QUOTE]Michael, By chance are those 500 B&M cartridges, next to the blueberry "preserves" ? | |||
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Hi Coyote No, that is not a 500 B&M.... Merely a 50 B&M, 450 Solid, but Sam and I tried to glue a cut, and flat Talon Tip to the meplat of it for testing. Our thought was to get some extra impact velocity from the solid, but wanted to make damn sure the tip went all to hell on impact, and did not effect the terminal stability of the solid. Well all good idea, except that the super glue was not enough to keep the tip in place and found it spinning like a top in the floor just in front of the muzzle, the tip never even made it to the chronograph..... So that is a 50 B&M 450 Solid, tip glued to the meplat! LOL.............. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Michaelyou are a Bad influence-- I was just at my local purveyor of liquids and they had BLUEBERREY SHINE for sale----never thought I would see the day. Hey--at least I can resupply you when you come down.  | |||
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Yep, all my friends wives say the same thing, and they threaten they are not going to let them come play with me anymore too.  I am a very bad man! http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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You know, for some freaking unknown reason my wife likes you, WTF. So any way I can come and play we just cant tell her wbout the cost of things  ! | |||
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 as it happens I no longer have a wife--so I am safe. | |||
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Shine? I liked the apple shine that we had at the DSC! Now, I haven't had a wife since 1998. Could that be why my gun safe is full? .395 Family Member DRSS, po' boy member Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship | |||
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I think I found another use for the B&M logo. Moonshine slinging. "Moo-n-shine" 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Prof they are selling apple also---come on down | |||
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Brent Hey thats good.... Yes, we will keep costs to a minimum LOL......... Speaking of such, Spoke with Brian Friday or so, and your rifle and Paul's are scheduled to leave SSK this week, destination here! So maybe my stocks and Apple will not be held hostage too much longer....... LOL... Also, we have two Pressure Trace units up and running again...... Good news this side. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Michael When loading the tipped NCs do you put the tip on first , or after you load them? | |||
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After loaded. Most big bore seater plugs are flat or round, not spitzer. Putting the tip in first on those will crush the tip, or flatten it. M http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Michael: I have been mostly housebound since October 30th and I find myself looking for a new project if I ever get back on my feet (or should I say foot) again. As you know, I am a big 9,3 fan. I was thinking about maybe putting together a 9,3 B&M. I have also thought some of necking up the RCM or WSM brass up to 9,3 but I am thinking that the B&M case would have greater case capacity than either. Correct me if I am wrong but I take it the simplest was to do this is to simply buy a Winchester stainless Ultimate Shadow in 300 or 325 WSM and send it to SSK for a re-barrel and sights, right? What is the situation re properly headstamped brass? The B&M web site says is available from Quality Cartridge but I can't find it on their web site. I want to avoid the hassle of cutting down 375 RUM brass if I can. 20 inch barrel with a 1/12 twist right? Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Dave Yep, that would be dandy... You are correct. In fact, can use any WSM, 270/7mm, all the same. Make a nice rifle those stainless ultimates. Light and easy to handle... I like 9.3 as well, for medium things. First time last year I took one out and used it on things from impala to zebra, and it hammered. It did that work better than anything I had used in the past on the same, with the exception of bigger bore size.. I had used 338s, but I really had an affection for a M70 stainless 358 STA from the custom shop for years. Used that a long time as my medium and shot 30 some odd critters with it. The 9.3 B&M did a better job, and was much handier, shorter, and lighter. I was pleased with it. I consider it the best medium caliber I have worked with. Going to Australia I took it as well... I was not so pleased with it on buffalo. Just does not effect buffalo like it does medium thinner critters. Right now, don't put much faith in head stamped brass just yet. Maybe later, but for anyone that is going to travel outside the country I have them marked accordingly on the barrel, for instance 9.3 B&M/300RUM.... That solves those issues should anyone ever check for it. Quality has never made 9.3.. Only 50, 458, 416 B&M and 500 MDM... Right now Pete does not have any brass to work with that I know about to make any of them. As for cutting brass, you don't have to do that. I keep on hand for everyone already cut and trimmed basic brass, made from 300 RUM or whatever I can find that will work. Whatever it costs I buy 500 at a time, then I have a local friend that cuts and trims to length, I pay him $0.75 each to cut and trim. What it costs me, it costs you, nothing more. And I try to always keep it on hand. I have a couple of 1000 right now. I don't have time for that either. Yes, 20 inches, 1:12 has been fine. Also I have dies here as well. Need any help or advice or anything, I am glad to help. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Here is a new 458 B&M.... Belongs to Brent's hunting buddy Paul. This rifle is on its way to Africa later this year for Pauls very first trip, and I think buffalo is on the menu.......    http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Two tone metal with laminate stock. Now that is sharp ! | |||
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Is that a CM receiver or a melonited SS action. I have a SS 300 RUM classic and would be interested in the finish of that rifle. "A long life, and the good sense to live it." ...Quintis Arrius 375H&H,404J,416DAK,458AFR,416RIG,450RIG,505GIB Avatar: Gregory Peck & Susan Hayward in Africa NRA member | |||
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