They are starting to make the run of PH actions
at MRC, so any of you wantigng a big thread
on th eaction for my 700H or other big cases
let them know, if you are on the list.
They plan on making big threaded ones along
with regular threaded ones.Ask for a
1.2 inch x 16 thread. Ed

Ed,

What's the bolt face diameter, bolt body diameter, port length, magazine box length?

Thanks

Tentative planned sizes - Mag box 4.05"
Port about 4.25" - Bolt diameter .805"
and maybe bigger. Bolt face recess that
they will supply up to Nyati, 600OK(.660)
Front action ring dia 1.505" Ed

Just confirmed my order with for the 1.2" - 16 thread. Jeff said they should be shipping late April to early May.

Now I've got lots of gun building to get to. Not sure what they are going to be. One will be the 700 DA (700 Hubel Short). Now what to do with the other 8 actions. I bet I get lots of ideas in Houston on Sunday.

Cost??

quote:

Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
Cost??

That's what I'm wondering. They left a message on my vmail to call them but I haven't called them back.

Cheers,
Andy

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
They are starting to make the run of PH actions
at MRC, so any of you wantigng a big thread
on th eaction for my 700H or other big cases
let them know, if you are on the list.
They plan on making big threaded ones along
with regular threaded ones.Ask for a
1.2 inch x 16 thread. Ed

Ed,

Getting ready to send a new P.O. to MRC confirming the changes to my original order...

Any idea as to barrels for the 700H on the PH action?

Pacnor?

Matt V.

Pacnor does good work. Two of mine
are from them. And Pacnor has a 1.35"
blank size, and a 1.5" blank size,
and they will profile also. With these
sizes you can match bore and PH action size.
If any of you aren't on the PH order
list, call MRC, see if they would put you on
to get in on the initial run. ED

What cartriges will require the larger thread? Or better stated, at what point will the larger size become necessary?

My 700HE long and short, 600 Nitro,
the properly called "685AHR", Macs wildcat,
The short version of Rob's 700, 50 cal
spotter, other 50 cal shortened target cases.
Other cases would benefit recoilwise, from
the ability to put in a barrel bigger than
1.2" at breech, like those you might want
a 13 lb gun instead of a 9 lb one.Like doing
a 600 OK in a 1.35" barrel. They are copying
both Mauser and Win, and they scaled up action
to 1.505 dia, but reduced barrel thread size
to smaller than Nauser by 1/16 inch. So
there are the reasons we asked for thread
size to be scaled up for some of them.Ed

Quote form jeff at MRC today: "505 Gibbs bolt faces but that is the largest bolt face we will do. ALL of them are going to come with the 1.2 X 16 threads.
Jeff"

So I guess that is good news for us nutso big bore guys.

Hi guys, been a while since I have been able to get on here. We are about 90% finished with the molds and should have first article soon. So yes April/May is still the goal. But just remember that is what we are pushing for and sometimes production on a new project can get sidestepped on something. I am praying that everything is perfect first time around but anyone who was around when we first did the short and long actions will remember different. I think we learned a lot from that so hopefully those delays will be minimized but just keep that in mind. We are going to go with the larger threads because Ed harrased me some much and the restraining order did no good.....hahaha just kidding Ed. In reallity it makes sense to go with the larger threads to keep more wall thickness over the chamber. I appreciate all of you calling in because it's things like this that help us out too. We want to bring you the best product we can and if there are ideas out there that can help we will always take them under consideration. But please don't take that as an invitation to call up and start telling us how to run everthing. ....haha We look forward to bringing the PH to you.
Jeff

I thank you Jeff for the great effort you, Devin,
and company are making toward getting actions produced
that will take my 700s and other big cases. I know
just from my wildcatting hobby work how hard it is
to get new actions,cartridges,ideas, etc, designed
let alone getting production. Thanks much.Ed

Great news...

The Gibbs bolt face (.640") is perfect for the 577 Belted Magnum Express

Glad Ed's wisdom prevailed

I wanted to thank Jeff for touching base here as many of us are very interested in the "PH" and his comments here most likely relieve some phone calls. I'll be waiting quietly. Rodney.

quote:

Originally posted by ROSCOE:
What cartriges will require the larger thread? Or better stated, at what point will the larger size become necessary?

take the diameter of the minor, subtract the case diameter, and in a .700 based case, a 1.2 (less 1/16 inch) makes far better sense than a 1.1-1/12 of an inch .. 1.1375 vs 1.01667 ... I'll take an 1/8 of an inch more steel, thanks .... to put it another way, I suggested the 1.2x16 as a 16 pitch has alot of surface area, basically double that of a 1/12, to hold the action together, and a 1.2 is a large, but not "stupidly" large, shank...

it was the best i could suggest,

And the other important item in getting more
strength between action and barrel, with that thread guys will use 1.35 inch barrels instead
of 1.2 inch barrels. Adds more strength to
resist expansion in big cases thus keeping
in sync with bigger dia action in resisting
stresses. They will be much stronger, than
doing big cases in regular actions. Ed

Haven't been around in awhile, is this a different deal then the the original "list" we had going for several years to get enough to start production?

I was on it and waiting on fruition to forward FFL and Payment.

Thanks,


Mike

Mike- If you were on original list and didn't tell them
to take you off you should call them and make sure you are
still on and interested. They had all of us interested call
them again last year, after a few posts on here last year..Ed

phone # ???

phone---406-755-4867...Ed

Thanks, will give them a call tomorrow.

I'll call my FFL to fax one over as well.

Now What to build?

Mike

Got my order in...

now what caliber to choose... : )))))

550 Gibbs!!!

Most likely it will be a 550 Gibbs for me and convenient at that with the Gibbs boltface and already having it's little brother in 505 to complimate it. Rodney.

I got my call today!

they called yesterday and told me they would charge my card this week to pay for triggers, etc. They also have stocks available thru Accurate Innovations (synthetic) and Lone Wolf (wood) I think I have them right. I expect to be able to pick mine up about June 4th on the way to the Helena shoot and tour the factory. $625 is a great price.

Rich
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I paid for mine two days ago. I am going chrome moly with their stainless barrel. I had one of there barrels on my 375 H&H, It was 1/2 moa all the way to 300 yards and did not foul at all. I am thinking 505, What would be a easy to do 550.?

JD

depends, I am prejudiced of course, but Hornady makes 550 Gibbs dies, the brass is available form RNS, and Macifej makes great solids. Bullet moulds are reasonably priced. My reamers are available to AR members.

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Either way you'll have a serious rifle. I have four boxes (50 count) 550's here for someone who is going to build one.

I checked midway and some other sources no 505 Gibbs to be had. Rich what is the parent case for your round and what do you call it. There is a 550 Gibbs and 550 mag, and 550 express?


JD

Seeing as how the PH magazine takes cases
up to 4.05 inches overal length my 700H
case will work, with loaded length of 3.9
to 3.95"(3.25"case) ...But if you don't want
quite that big there is the 585 belted
with overall loaded length of 3.85" with
a 750 gr Woodleigh crimped in groove..It
will outdo trex easy, and revamped reamer
will be ready in few weeks.Two nice
straight simple cases, reloadable many times.
That's the best two uses I see
of PH action ,the 700H or 585 Belted. Ed

Ed is the man!!

Tell us a little more about your 700HE; what the parent case is, and how much fun they are to form.
And about dies.

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The 700 Hubel Short, AKA (as requested) 700 DA, is the case that John and I came up with as the reason for the PH action, and Ed was happy to work with us on.

take a BMG case, belt it, rebate the rim, cut off the case to 3.25"

You'll know why its a DA when you pull the trigger

I would have named it the 700HBE. Hubel Belted Express, AKA Hydrogen Bomb Explosion...I expect that is the sensation felt. Back to the part about the reloading dies. Hmmmm?

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I've got the 700 barrel just waiting for the actions to get here. A 700 DA will not be far off. Rich believe me the DA is approperate.

I will have the specs for dies for the
700H 3.25 and 585BHE at CH4D next week, and
Manson for reamers.The 2 official names.
Now that good price PH actions are coming ,
and guys are using other longer actions, the
585 Belted won't be cut off case, and new
reamer is being done by me. I screwed up by
agreeing to cut case back and taking my
initials off, as I already had one here
and tested for a while. First reamer
wasn't quite right. It is my problem
and I'm fixing it. With actions available
there is no reason to shorten case.
And we will definately outdo Art... Ed

ok Ed, you have my undivided attention. Will CH4D have a shell holder for your50BMG/700HE 3.25", and what is the rebated rim diameter going to be? Should I get with Steve Brooks and design a cast bullet for it, or just use yours? Can you post a big photo of your bullet array, please?

Rich
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