quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
Mine holds 15gr more heavy ball
powder and still loads same length as
505 . Neat I think.Ed

Hi Ed.
Interesting indeed..

How much capacity does the 585BHE case have in grains of water??

205 gr of water. Now the Trex case I
compared it to was a good one with
thick sides, IE not an Asq. Ed

OK Ed.
My Trex brass from Horneber holds 216 grs of water when new and once fired they hold 220 grs of water. For A-Square brass in this caliber I dont know / cant remember because I threw all out some years ago. A2-brass was thick walled (= lesser volume) and very soft. I just ordered a life supply of Horneber brass and never looked back.

The case I checked wasn't fired, so it will hold a little more after firing.
The Trex case here is thicker on the sides
than BMG brass.It is a thick case made by
Bertram. I sectioned it after checking
capacity, for comparison, so I could see how
it is constructed. Ed

Ed, based on your experiences with these cases and the 700 on the 50 BMg case, do you see any advantage to reaming the primer pockets for 50 BMG primers?

I'm pondering how to get the most from a big batch of 5010 I have available without going the down the duplex road.

tiggertate--In the 585BHE, large rifle mag
primers fire off real slow surplus powders
just fine . I've used- WC872&860 - H-BMG--
AA8700-- US869--RE25. Fed 215 mag primers
I like best. We have to have bmg primers
in 700/12ga sizes, to fire off slower
powders depeendably, only because of larger
diameter of powder charge. With all that
powder you doing one of each caliber.That
powder just fill cases and you have real
moderate vel loads.Ed

Thanks. That saves me a bunch of work.

Ed, your wildcats scare me! Just thinking of putting my ugly mug against the stock of one at the bench makes me chringe. My order is in for one with a Rigby bolt face and I plan to make a .404 Jeff on it. Something about that long, sexy neck just screams "cast bullet". I will also make up a pattern stock for it this winter and if anyone is interested just let me know.
Now the curious question: what about scope mounts? I'm guessing most guys will just go with Tally. I have been thinking about a G&H top mount or possibly making up a set of claw mounts. I have in stock a few G&H and some Echo side mounts that could be made to work as well. EAW's would fit the bill as would plain vanila Leupold QR's. The problem with all the top mounts is they would place the scope fairly high, possibly enough to fudge a strong cheek weld if stocked for irons. Any one have any ideas?
I agree with the seeming consencus that Pac-Nor makes excellent barrels, they made a dozen for me so far and they all have been shooters. if you sweet talk Penny into having her people contouring one of their 1.35" blanks with a .050 offset it should come out about the proper diameter for a front ring radius.
It took me nine months to get a .416 rebore out of Dan Pederson but it turned out fantastic. Personaly, I will just order an unfinished blank from him.
Discussing my order last week I was a bit disapointed that they were not coming out with a drop box. Looks like one could be made up and it would be easier to do but Montana does not sell parts for their actions so welding two magazine halves together can't work. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Someone mentioned left hands? I was told that if there was not enough demand they were planning to go strait to the manufacture of the mini actions. if anyone wants a southpaw best let Montana know.

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
tiggertate--In the 585BHE, large rifle mag
primers fire off real slow surplus powders
just fine . I've used- WC872&860 - H-BMG--
AA8700-- US869--RE25. Fed 215 mag primers
I like best. We have to have bmg primers
in 700/12ga sizes, to fire off slower
powders depeendably, only because of larger
diameter of powder charge. With all that
powder you doing one of each caliber.That
powder just fill cases and you have real
moderate vel loads.Ed

I think the 5010 will only work well with the 416/505. It needs the small bore with heavy-for-caliber bullets to generate enough pressure to cook off efficiently, like it works well in the 264 Win Mag with 140-160 gr bullets.

I'll use something much faster in the 550. Thanks again.

Some extra calls, emails from guys on other forums
about 585BHE, using reamers and free cases to get started,
has prompted me to get 4 reamers set up. One
will be for Pacnor and other shops rebarreling
for guys. Be nice to have a hundred 585BHEs around
in couple years.Ed

Here is picture of my 585H in one of my
Enfields. You can see case in the port,
cases and various bullets in front.Ed

Here is picture of 585 BHE reamers, a loaded round,
and bunch of cases. Plus one more on the way to
Pacnor...Ed

Hi Ed,
Looks great! My MRC PH SS action is on order and should be on hand in September. Once I have it I will get the rest of the project under way. How much for 200 cases? Email me if you prefer to that route.
Thanks,
Paul

Paul-- I am doing a few cases to people started. I
am talking to Jamison now and we will get everyone
together for a run of a large quantity of brass.
He is getting quote figured out now. Then I will
let everyone know.Ed

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
Paul-- I am doing a few cases to people started. I
am talking to Jamison now and we will get everyone
together for a run of a large quantity of brass.
He is getting quote figured out now. Then I will
let everyone know.Ed

That's great - looking forward to it!

I got the following email from Jeff at MRC this am. Looks like they'rea making good progress.

Good morning John! We are very close. Most of our parts are in house now
and right now the machine shop that is doing the finish machining on the
bolts and receivers are finalizing the tooling to get them done. They gave
us an estimate of 2 weeks. Then it is about 1-2 weeks at heat treat ( it
only takes a day but with shipping it usually is about 1-2 weeks before we
get them. And from that point it is just a matter of polishing and
assembly.
Jeff

Ed, I'm going to need some cases for the 700 DA AKA the 700 HE 3.25" Will you be selling these.

John-I have a bunch of my 700H 3.25", and for anyone doing
it the first 15 are free. I will sell some extras for 6 bucks
each. I got one quote on getting big run made, and it
was 10 bucks each for 4000 minimum. Brass is up.
700H 3.25"reamers are being made now.Ed.

Here is second 585 gun, a Ruger 77.
And working on a third one. Ed

The 585BHE reamer is at Pacnor for anyone getting
a barrel and chamber work from them.
They will chamber and headspace for my case.

The third 585 is going in a UM BBK action.
First was Enfield, second is Ruger 77..Ed

Hi, Ed. You have one 700H 3.25 here for sure. There may be a second if a friend buys my other PH action.

Hi Ed, any word on the 700 HE 3.25 reamers? My barrel should be ready in 3 to 4 weeks. Do any of the die makers have prints yet? I'd like to get my dies ordered also.

They are working on the 700H 3.25' reamers now.
He says a 10-15 days. One will be at Pacnor.
We will have specs for loading dies at
CH4D couple days after reamers are here.Ed

quote:

Originally posted by Big Earl:
My order is in for one with a Rigby bolt face and I plan to make a .404 Jeff on it.

BE, someone has probably pointed this out by now, maybe even MRC, but a Rigby bolt face is too big for a 404 Jeffery. If you haven't sussed this already it would pay to check it out. If you have, just ignore me.
Steve

Here is pic of the 3rd 585 BHE I'm
working on. It looks like 4,5,6,7 etc will be on
others guns including Enfields, and some PHs.ED

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
Here is pic of the 3rd 585 BHE I'm
working on. It looks like 4,5,6,7 etc will be on
others guns including Enfields, and some PHs.ED

Hey Ed,

Seems like the ball is really rolling now on your 585BHE. Have you run into any feeding problems with any of the actions you have tried with the round? Like everyone else, waiting on my PH action to decide on what to ahve built.

Thanks,
Paul

I going to make one of my 585s with a magazine,
the Ultra Mag BBK. Set up single stack.
The action, and magazine well in drop box
bottom metal is longer than a loaded case by
.065, so there is the room.The feed rails
are just right for feeding this case single
stack. Will have some more pics of process soon.
I can do the same with Enfield with a bit
of machine work to make extra length.Ed

Ed- Where is Montana on the actions. Any news?-Rob

Rob- Tentative delivery starting middle of
August. They had some snafu on small part and had
to have them re-machined.. The recievers turned
out ok, I understand. Small parts being finished.Ed

Thanks Ed- That helps alot. I cant wait.-Rob

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
I going to make one of my 585s with a magazine,
the Ultra Mag BBK. Set up single stack.
The action, and magazine well in drop box
bottom metal is longer than a loaded case by
.065, so there is the room.The feed rails
are just right for feeding this case single
stack. Will have some more pics of process soon.
I can do the same with Enfield with a bit
of machine work to make extra length.Ed

Hi Ed,

How's this coming along? Any new pictures to share?
Thanks

quote:

Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Thanks Ed- That helps alot. I cant wait.-Rob

Rob,
Regarding your sig and avatar - one down, many to go. Just remembered that the original passed away just a few weeks ago.

I got part of the 700H 3.25" reamers now,
more coming.Will have one at Pacnor
before PHs are out.

I got my long 700 HE case chambered barrel
finally in a bmg size action. It is barrel
I locked onto an I-beam and got all the
load developement done over the last couple
years. Max load about 23,000 ft lbs.
It weighs 27 lbs, laminated thumbhole stock,
a max size pad, weighted butt, a reinforced
wrist, recoil barrel ring on front of stock.Ed

That looks great, Ed. You need to put a "normal" rifle and round next to it for perspective

Thanks-- I thought that was normal.Ed

Here is pic of the BBK Ultra Mag action feeding my
585HE cartridge. It has a mag box 3.90" long. Cases
loaded 3.84".It is a CRF action. Extractor isn't on,
see case easier.Action rear bridge has a aperture sight
that I made and put on it.
The PH action with longer mag box will also
work with my 585 perfectly...Ed

Is the PH still on for late September delivery?

MRC website states half of them will be ready on Nov. 15. That will be about six years in the wait for me.

Here are the reamers for my 700H 3.25".
If Karl and others can get someone to
get some of my cases imported to them, down under, one reamer will be over there.
They are all waiting for the PH like
we are here. If it gets here in a few weeks
it will be a record delivery time, for things
I bought, from when bill was paid. Ed

quote:

Originally posted by Big Earl:
MRC website states half of them will be ready on Nov. 15. That will be about six years in the wait for me.

Are we still looking at Nov 15th or have we been pushed back again?

Anyone got an update???

They said they are getting last of the small
parts done now. Then will get the heatreating
done soon. They also said they will pressure
test actions with a 505 Gibbs barrels and
test cases.They are making sure it is right

Also CH4D is making reloading dies for my
585HE next week, anyone interested
contact me...Ed