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You have to give Mike some slack. He is posting now as a lawyer. Not as a normal human being  | |||
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Sheesh, you are not only mischaracterizing what I said you are even mischaracterizing what you asked . . . Perhaps you need to be reminded what you asked. Your question was with regard to if "he" made threats. I answered with regard to Rich . . . the subject of your question . . . not "someone". Sorry, but if I do not know the facts I am not going to represent something as being factual . . . that's not the same as calling someone a liar. But if you are hellbent to be insulted, be insulted. No offense was intended. Mike | |||
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I've been practicing law for 30 years now. I've received plenty of death threats. Very few were serious, most were just people who were distraught in a very emotional situation. A lot of people say things they don't really mean. I'm not defending anyone. Just an observation. But when I have an active threat, I'm sure to carry. | |||
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Point being, I don't think ISS is a threat. | |||
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Mike, And your trying to rationalize your earlier responses. To me if anyone repeatedly made death threats against multiple people and had been warned repeatedly without effect the solution is pretty clear - ban them. There's no valid excuse for that behavior. I don't care what the apparent reason, veteran, bad parents, drunk, some just need an excuse to fall back on. Some things in life and this clearly one of them where there's a line that can't be crossed without paying the penalty. Time to move on. Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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There are 4 or 5 people on here I have had run ins with that I don't personally like. I have never met them, but they go out of their way to be dickheads on a regular basis. Rich is different, he can be about 40 people in the span of 20 different topics. He is the prime reason I originally left AR in 2011 or 2012. While I am not sure I consider him to be a friend, he has for the most part straightened himself out. I don't hold a lot of animosity toward anyone, and it is very sad that Rich has let his emotions run wild to the point that he has threatened anyone. Not sure if Saeed kicked out that dickhead "hunting cats" or he left on his own, but Rich at his worst could be just as bad. A lot of people have been tempered by time away from AR. Some good, some bad. I hope whatever Saeed decides to do, that Rich figures out that no one likes agressive, threatening or overly insulting behavior, and he can move past it. | |||
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What lavaca said.  Only difference is for me it's been 35 years.  | |||
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Wow, long thread. I had my issues with Rich, but like MJines says, after a while I looked at his threats as pretty meaningless, although I will be honest, I did complain about the first (and perhaps only) one. As a veteran myself, he always had my respect for that even though the most impressive guys I have met kept pretty quiet. On the other hand, I don't agree that the OP was out to dig up dirt - ISS is not the first person whose status was questioned. Bigger fish to fry today for me. See ya latter. | |||
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Admittedly, I have no dog in this fight. But it's just not acceptable to threaten others with violence via PM or otherwise. Friends, buddies, acquaintances, it doesn't matter how ISS typically treated you as this obviously isn't about you. It doesn't matter if you think ISS is a legit threat - he apparently continued to make poor decisions after warnings. If you are a proponent of personal responsibility, I don't see how you can take up for him. | |||
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What do people expect? It is an internet forum/chat room/bulletin board? Apart from banning people and increasing the level of moderation, what can the PTB's of such a site actually do? Why didn't or hasn't any of those that feel threatened contacted a law enforcement agency and reported the threats??? I have had a limited amount of dealings with Rich, not enough to pass any sort of judgement about him in any manner, but as another member I have had a few interactions with, has stated on this subject stuff like this or any other argument takes TWO PEOPLE. Anytime stuff like this takes place, all parties involved in the initial interaction played their role and should NOT feel that they are an innocent victim. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Stolen Valor..... Do you have a direct link to his information for proof? ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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That should be interesting. Those that I know who were in special forces will rarely talk about it in public, if at all. | |||
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At least 1 person of the 4 i know he threatened did contact law enforcement but i have no idea what happened. The whole mess began when Rich claimed to have killed 30 B&C elk in 34 years of meat hunting in Idaho on public land. Rich got seriously pissed when a large number of people called BS. Of course he had no pictures or antlers to back up a patently ridiculous claim and took serious exception to being labeled a bullshitter. So I guess I and many others should not have called him out and all would have been hunky dory. And what is a PTB? Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Powers that be? | |||
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I feel so computer inadequate... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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You are right about that Larry. My 1SG when I was a company cdr came from Delta Force. Best natural leader and all around stud I ever met. Modest beyond belief. I remember during a code of conduct class he explained what it was like to be a prisoner: he had been taken hostage in Beirut but escaped after ten days. We were pretty tight and had served together for a year at that time. I asked him why he never told me that before. He replied, "You never asked, and there was never a reason to talk about it." | |||
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It took me less than a minute to find him listed with the 75th Army Ranger Regiment Association as a Vietnam Veteran. Please tell us what valor did he steal? And you of course do have proof that his claims are false? | |||
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I know several. Most will not speak of it in public or even deny what they have done in public. Sometimes it is kind of funny. A former SEAL was at a range at a club I belong to. He was double tapping a turkey silouette at 75 yards with a revolver with a one inch barrel. A guy who worked there could not believe it and asked how he learned to shoot that way. He said Boy Scouts. I busted out laughing. | |||
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Your not, so don't feel that way. I picked up the "PTB's" from a Science Fiction book, written by Anne McCaffrey, one of my wife's favorite authors. Saeed is the head PTB of this joint, Don is No.2 I believe and the Moderators are in the next rank. Now then as to this whole mess. When the person made those claims concerning the B&C elk, once people checked into his claims and found them somewhat fictional, WHY call him out on it?????? What was accomplished by those that called him out, and by Rich. Ever watch the John Wayne movie "Big Jake"???? George Kennedy has a line in the movie that goes, "Boy, You HAVE To Allow A Man His Delusions"!!! Don't know how old you are J. Dollar, I will be 67 on September 10, if God and my wife will continue putting up with my Bull Shit, but sometimes it really is best for everyone to not purposely try to embarrass someone. Not saying a person should not contest another concerning assertions that person has made, but doing so Publicly on an internet websbite, who wins in the long run? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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The elk claims where just one of a number of dubious claims flying around at that time. My BS tolerance has decreased as I have aged. If the radiation therapy for prostate cancer I am currently undergoing doesn't lay me low, I will be 69 in May. It's all good!  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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I too know some. They all deal with things differently. Some are quiet. Some are quite vocal. Chris Kyle was an example of someone who spoke freely about his service. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I really didn't want to join this mess but +1..those are serious accusations to make against a veteran and IMO inappropriate to say the least. I am not defending his threats..I simply take issue with the stolen valor bs | |||
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I amazed on almost a daily basis during my commute to and from work how some people act while they are in their cars. The guy that is tailgating you, flashing his lights, and flipping you off when you are already traveling 10 mph over the speed limit would never do that if you were face-to-face. I think being inside a vehicle provides a degree of anonymity that makes such behavior acceptable for some people. I think the same thing applies to the internet where you really can be anonymous and there is little or no consequence for your actions. Lee | |||
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Absolutely and if Macs B can't provide real proof of stolen valor, he needs to apologize and shut up. Time to put up or shut up. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Okay, not sure why B&C Elk claims are being hashed out in the African Hunting section, but that is a whole different issue. Some may agree with the following, or No One may agree, but I am throwing it out there for everyone's consideration. When anyone mentions Boone & Crockett, they are NOT necessarily talking about Record Book Animals! What folks need to realize is that the B&C scoring method, can and IS used by hunters, Nation Wide, to describe the size of the animal(s) they have killed. The scoring system can be used for ANY sized animal Boone & Crockett has established a scoring system for. Example, in Texas it is common for hunters and landowners to want to establish the actual number of B&C points an animal measures too. It is quite common for those people to make references in such terms as: We had 4 bucks killed on this property that scored from 145 to 160 B&C. They are not claiming them to be records, they are just saying they scored those numbers via the B&C measuring system. Did at any point, Rich CLAIM to have killed actual Record Book animals? That is where the difference comes in, claiming actual Record Book animals, is all too easy to check out/verify. Again however, due to it being so easy to confirm whether such claims are real or imagined, calling a person out on such claims really may not get the desired results. To each their own, I know I have said many things in life, and on here, that in retrospect I realize did more damage to me than to the person I was arguing with. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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10,000 views!!! ISS never got so much attention. Either he is laughing his ass off or he will be out to get a few of you gents. This is great. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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I went to the "Stolen Valor" website. It has a search engine and I entered Rich's name. There were no hit's on his name whatsoever. So much for them gathering information on him. I worked for the PD, for 30 years, in the town Rich lives in. If there had been a report I would of heard of it. if it was just a phone call the officer getting the information apparently saw no violation and filed no report. That is if there was even a phone call. If it happened after I left I would of been told of it. Rich was/is close friends with many on the police force to include the Chief of Police at the time I retired. I just spoke to Rich on the phone a little while ago and told him of this 6 page tribute/roast, to him. He says he was not aware he had been banned; that he got an email saying he was suspended. I am assuming the decision to ban was made after that. Only the administration of this site and I suppose Rich no the full answer to that. Do I believe ever thing he has posted? No more than I believe half what has been posted in these 6 pages or that which is posted on a regular basis my many on here. Is he a Vietnam vet? Damn right he is. Did he write several years for various publications. Yes he did. I have read many of the articles and even acted as his photographer at SCI when he was getting information for articles he was going to write. He was given a Press pass every year we went. Do I think he is a threat to others on this forum? No. They are more of a threat to themselves. Let this topic die the death it deserves. Go back and enjoy his old posts. Laugh about them, express your disbeliefs in a PM to one of the other people with nothing better to do. You certainly have the right to dispute what he has posted or express your concerns for your "safety". But I think that should of ended when he was no longer able to respond back. It is my understanding that when you are banned they delete your posts, other than those saved forever in "quotes" by others. Saeed are you going to delete the old posts? Is that the policy or not? If they are going to delete them they have a lot of posts to delete!!
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Very well said Sir. Many who live insignificant lives by comparison will relish the opportunity to piss on those that have tried to make a difference. This site will be the poorer for the loss of ISS and his contributions. Can we not just "man up" and ignore his tantrum threats ? | |||
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Saeed , ban the guy once and for all , surely more than one complaint signifies habitual problem. As to being a Vet , its unlikely not one single South African member is not a Vet. Its great that anyone is a Vet but not all Vets are great otherwise the MP would not exist , to my mind his behavourr is unbecoming a true Vet anyway . How much tolerance is allowed ? until something happens ? thats why is called preventative measures, Saeed just ban him and close this thread. | |||
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I don't think that is accurate. Zombie killers posts still exist and he is definitely banned. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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+1 DRSS | |||
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Why should he get any special treatment than others? In every society on this earth there are rules. And if you do not wish to follow them, you should find another place to spend your time. He has been warned numerous times, and he decided to ignore these warnings. So his banning is really self inflicted, and he has only himself to blame. | |||
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I agree 100% and cannot comprehend why it is hard for others to understand this concept. | |||
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+1 The guy is banned. Gone. Let's move along. Jeff | |||
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. . . fixed it for you. AR at its absolute worse, although that seems to be the new normal . . . taking someone and driving them into the ground like a fence post. Mike | |||
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Mike: Why do you post so much on threads you don't like? If one does not like something, it would be natural to stay away--maybe making one's thoughts known and then drop it. The only reason any thread continues is it holds some interst for those posting. And, comments or questions add to the replies thereby making the thread continue. I wonder how quickly my thread on Mark Young's contracts would have died if your (approximately) 50 posts AND replies to those posts were deleted. I dont like smoke so I stay away from smokers. I don't like liberals so I stay away from them, too. Just curious. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Looking back on the B&C elk posts, it was outrageous. I think this helped cast doubt on his military claims. With so many Army veterans here, I'm certain that many of you knew individuals who served with a combat unit in a support role, but claimed that they were gunfighters themselves. Even if Rich was part of a Ranger regiment, was he in fact a Ranger, or the supply clerk for the regiment? I've personally worked with a Marine tanker who for health reasons couldn't be on a tank. He spent his four years as the company clerk working for the 1stSgt. I doubt he ever did it because he was a good guy, but he could have told people he deployed to Iraq as a tanker with a tank company. True statements, even though he never fought a tank. Call it crying wolf, or more crudely, violating the 'Bridge builder/dick sucker' principle. The result is the same. Also hard to feel bad for somebody who repeatedly ignores warnings from a website owner who is known to be very liberal in allowing people to run wild online. (This principle simply stating that one must build 100 bridges before people will call them a bridge builder. But one need only suck a single dick to be known as a dick sucker. I think I got this from the Army. Ironic.) | |||
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Why . . . perhaps a low threshold for duplicity? Mike | |||
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The RIGHT of freedom of speech on this forum? Ridiculous. We are guests of Saeed and have whatever privileges he extends to us. No different than going to his house and if he doesn't allow smoking and you light up anyway. Let's say he allows you to come back and you light up again. Sooner or later you are no longer welcome. It is Saeed's decision and he weighed all the facts and made the decision--end of story. It would be unfair of me to say anything derogatory about ISS when he no longer has the ability to respond so I have no comment. | |||
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Cal: Have you ever thought that maybe it's because Mike has a daily goal that he strives to worthily reach in his number of AR posts? Geez, lighten up and give the man some credit!  | |||
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