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Originally posted by dukxdog:
I don't know ISS other that reading his posts. He seems like a harmless curmudgeon. I've never heard anyone who has had dealings with him say he was dishonest.

I see guys here being rude to some members such as Shootaway. He is picked on constantly yet always takes the high road. I see no reason to be rude but some guys think they are funny by doing so and following a crowd. Some guys just feel really bold on the internet.

In the US we are very fortunate to have freedom of speech. Threats other than to our President do not land us in detention.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

Sadly, society today is full of people screaming their heads for freedoms of one sort or another.

But no one seem to want to take responsibility for their actions.

I am all for freedoms, but I would also like to see people being held responsible for their actions.

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Originally posted by Ghubert:
I took all of that stuff with a pinch of salt Dogcat, admittedly not having as much contact with him as some here.

I couldn't believe that someone who actually intended to harm people would put into writing etc.

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I see guys here being rude to some members such as Shootaway. He is picked on constantly yet always takes the high road

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Threatening to kill someone is a crime as well due to intent and potential outcome of the threatened action.

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I see guys here being rude to some members such as Shootaway. He is picked on constantly yet always takes the high road

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Originally posted by cal pappas:

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I see guys here being rude to some members such as Shootaway. He is picked on constantly yet always takes the high road

Cough, choke, gasp.
Then, fall off my chair.
Cal

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by cal pappas:

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I see guys here being rude to some members such as Shootaway. He is picked on constantly yet always takes the high road

Cough, choke, gasp.
Then, fall off my chair.
Cal

. . . only thing I can figure is that the roads are not very high in his part of country.

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by cal pappas:

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I see guys here being rude to some members such as Shootaway. He is picked on constantly yet always takes the high road

Cough, choke, gasp.
Then, fall off my chair.
Cal

. . . only thing I can figure is that the roads are not very high in his part of country.

It's taken nearly seven years, but someone finally bested Congressman Hank Johnson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q

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Originally posted by dukxdog:
I see guys here being rude to some members such as Shootaway. He is picked on constantly yet always takes the high road.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by cal pappas:

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I see guys here being rude to some members such as Shootaway. He is picked on constantly yet always takes the high road

Cough, choke, gasp.
Then, fall off my chair.
Cal

. . . only thing I can figure is that the roads are not very high in his part of country.

It's taken nearly seven years, but someone finally bested Congressman Hank Johnson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q

I crack up every time I see that . . . how that Admiral maintained his composure is a mystery to me.

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Originally posted by dukxdog:

In the US we are very fortunate to have freedom of speech. Threats other than to our President do not land us in detention.

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(1) A person is guilty of harassment if:
. (a) Without lawful authority, the person knowingly threatens:
. . (i) To cause bodily injury immediately or in the future to the person threatened or to any other person; or
. . (ii) To cause physical damage to the property of a person other than the actor; or
. . (iii) To subject the person threatened or any other person to physical confinement or restraint; or
. . (iv) Maliciously to do any other act which is intended to substantially harm the person threatened or another with respect to his or her physical or mental health or safety; and
. (b) The person by words or conduct places the person threatened in reasonable fear that the threat will be carried out. "Words or conduct" includes, in addition to any other form of communication or conduct, the sending of an electronic communication.

(2)(a) Except as provided in (b) of this subsection, a person who harasses another is guilty of a gross misdemeanor.

. . [subsection (b) goes on to describe threats by repeat offenders, domestic violence, and other situations where it rises to a felony]

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Every person convicted of a gross misdemeanor for which no punishment is prescribed in any statute in force at the time of conviction and sentence, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a maximum term fixed by the court of up to three hundred sixty-four days, or by a fine in an amount fixed by the court of not more than five thousand dollars, or by both such imprisonment and fine.

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In the US we are very fortunate to have freedom of speech. Threats other than to our President do not land us in detention.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

Sadly, society today is full of people screaming their heads for freedoms of one sort or another.

But no one seem to want to take responsibility for their actions.

I am all for freedoms, but I would also like to see people being held responsible for their actions.

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Sure, we do have quite heated arguments, nothing wrong with that.

But when it degenerates to threats of physical violence, repeatedly, against several members, we like to put a stop to it.

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Originally posted by Venture South:

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Sure, we do have quite heated arguments, nothing wrong with that.

But when it degenerates to threats of physical violence, repeatedly, against several members, we like to put a stop to it.

I support the actions taken in this regard.
No need for any of that nonsense, especially when it comes out ever time someone catches him lying.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I have a really simple question for those defending ISS. If he had made a violent graphic death threat to you, would you still be singing the same song???

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Originally posted by 35whelenman:
As for Edmond, he's holed up in the political forum. Not doing any harm in 99% of the forums. ISS was all over the place.

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Originally posted by graybird:
He once sent me a PM. Within it he stated how he was going to run a sharp blade through my guts and watch the life leave my eyes while the blood dripped off his elbow.

Heck, I don't even remember what set him off, but I do recall it was something minor.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Seems like folks would have borne in mind that he has been on AR for a long damn time and many members have met the man, he had a reputation for some time of making these idle threats, nothing had ever happened in connection with any of the threats, it is a damn online blog for goodness sake where folks sit around behind pseudonyms all day long being uncivil to one another, he was a Vietnam vet, that puts him in his mid to late 60's at best by my math . . . lots of reasons to just take the comments with grain of salt and move on in my opinion. If folks were so alarmed and unnerved by the threats, wonder how many picked up the phone and called the police or the FBI to report the threats? Believe me I am neither his defender nor a detractor but this thread is just another example in my mind of the sort of mob mentality that seems to be prevalent on AR more and more frequently these days.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Seems like folks would have borne in mind that he has been on AR for a long damn time and many members have met the man, he had a reputation for some time of making these idle threats, nothing had ever happened in connection with any of the threats, it is a damn online blog for goodness sake where folks sit around behind pseudonyms all day long being uncivil to one another, he was a Vietnam vet, that puts him in his mid to late 60's at best by my math . . . lots of reasons to just take the comments with grain of salt and move on in my opinion. If folks were so alarmed and unnerved by the threats, wonder how many picked up the phone and called the police or the FBI to report the threats? Believe me I am neither his defender nor a detractor but this thread is just another example in my mind of the sort of mob mentality that seems to be prevalent on AR more and more frequently these days.

The threats were made 5-6 years ago well BEFORE he developed a reputation for such behavior. In fact it was the first time he engaged in such things. In one of his early PM's he flat out stated he had serious psychological issues per a VA psychiatrist and refused to take his prescribed meds or seek further help. He was threatening at least 4 people simultaneously that I know of(we compared threats) and at least one of those people reported him to his local police and the FBI. The Feds, IIRC, didn't seem too interested in checking it out. I suppose Islamic terrorists had priority, and rightly so. If someone tells you he has serious mental problems and wants to kill you, I suppose you would just blow it off as a harmless online blog?? I guess I am just not the man some of you are( although I did send him a Google map link of my property and invite him to stop by for a visit).

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Seems like folks would have borne in mind that he has been on AR for a long damn time and many members have met the man, he had a reputation for some time of making these idle threats, nothing had ever happened in connection with any of the threats, it is a damn online blog for goodness sake where folks sit around behind pseudonyms all day long being uncivil to one another, he was a Vietnam vet, that puts him in his mid to late 60's at best by my math . . . lots of reasons to just take the comments with grain of salt and move on in my opinion. If folks were so alarmed and unnerved by the threats, wonder how many picked up the phone and called the police or the FBI to report the threats? Believe me I am neither his defender nor a detractor but this thread is just another example in my mind of the sort of mob mentality that seems to be prevalent on AR more and more frequently these days.

The threats were made 5-6 years ago well BEFORE he developed a reputation for such behavior. In fact it was the first time he engaged in such things. In one of his early PM's he flat out stated he had serious psychological issues per a VA psychiatrist and refused to take his prescribed meds or seek further help. He was threatening at least 4 people simultaneously that I know of(we compared threats) and at least one of those people reported him to his local police and the FBI. The Feds, IIRC, didn't seem too interested in checking it out. I suppose Islamic terrorists had priority, and rightly so. If someone tells you he has serious mental problems and wants to kill you, I suppose you would just blow it off as a harmless online blog?? I guess I am just not the man some of you are( although I did send him a Google map link of my property and invite him to stop by for a visit).

So after 5-6 years of nothing happening folks still feel threatened? Look I am not defending him making threats if he did so, that's uncalled for, but for folks to act like the threats were extremely unnerving to them when they never in fact perceived the threats as serious enough to call law enforcement . . . suggests to me they never found the threats to be all that serious from the beginning.

You asked the question, if I had viewed the threats as being serious, I would have reported them. If not, I would have moved on.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
The only question I asked is what if someone tells you he is mentally ill and threatens to kill you, would you blow it off? Apparently in your case the answer is yes. Good for you counselor...And frankly I find you qualifier "if he did so" insulting. I suppose I and the others who have stated here that he threatened them are lying but Rich isn't.