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Originally posted by graybird:
Boy, you've got it worse than I thought. Good luck, Lane!

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I seriously doubt that there has been anyone bashed more than I have been than when I was attacked by Echoanne12. It was pretty brutal. She was way wrong. I was pissed off. Yet, I never threatened her life.

It boggles my mind that anyone defends anyone who threatens another persons life.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I seriously doubt that there has been anyone bashed more than I have been than when I was attacked by Echoanne12. It was pretty brutal. She was way wrong. I was pissed off. Yet, I never threatened her life.

It boggles my mind that anyone defends anyone who threatens another persons life.

Larry,

You are a normal person, and reacted like anyone of us would have.

Others have been making excuses for ISS whichever way they like.

It is actually the norm in our sad society today - anyone who does something totally ridiculous, it is never his fault.

It is always something else that caused it.

Or someone in his past that caused it.

Personal responsibility no longer counts.

Saeed sir,
I am all about personal responsibility. Rich did what he did...you did what you had to. I said that in an earlier post. What I object to...is someone starting a thread to ridicule a good man that can't respond...even though he shouldn't have done what he did.

Lane,

You can carry on as long as you like.

I will only ask you to stop when you start sending PMs to other members telling them in great details how you are going to disassemble them while you are listing to their cries for mercy.

You can bet your bottom dollar that I won't do that. But Rich is not the only person I know that has said that to a few people. They all had one thing in common too...like Mac said...they were vets. I could tell a story about a very prominent man in my life that was in the Lost Batallion...but I will just let it be.

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
ledvm,

I really couldn't care less if this thread goes on forever or ends tomorrow

As a matter of fact Saeed should make it a sticky.

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Originally posted by Grenadier:
Just proof that Ukraine is no more important to AR than an ordinary Idaho sharpshooter is.

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
As to why?

It is you he is trying to help......not me.

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Originally posted by jdollar

I guess if you live in TX, you just blow it off.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by jdollar

I guess if you live in TX, you just blow it off.

Might be on to something there . . . we do seem to be able to maintain a little better perspective on these matters than others.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

Oh, that's right, I should have realized he was just kidding and not "tattled".

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

Oh, that's right, I should have realized he was just kidding and not "tattled".

. . . took a while but you are catching on.

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
LEDVM--It's admirable for you to stick up to this degree for a friend and overlook the mistakes that have been said he made. I don't ask this to be a smart ass, just curious, do you think OJ is innocent? Let me rephrase that, a court of law said he was innocent. Do you think he did it?

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I see the busy bodies - and lawyers! - are at it!

A problem was caused by one member against other members.

Those members brought it to our attention.

Action take, and problem was solved.

The perpetrator, the victims and the people running this site, are really the only people who should have been concerned with it.

But, the Internet being what it is, every Tom, Dick and Harry likes to stick his nose in1

That McDonald advert comes to mind.

ARE YOU LOVING IT?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Rockdoc:
Hopefully in time Rich could come back without PM priveledges?

I agree, personal threats are not to be taken lightly.

It is not going to happen.

We don't have the time to start micro manage members, picking what they can do on the forums and what they cannot do.

You play by the rules, and you have every privilege everyone has.

You don't, and then you can find another play ground to play in.

Very simple really, and for the life of me, I cannot see how some fail to see this very simple fact.

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Originally posted by John Chalmers:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by carpetman1:
LEDVM (quote)

Then I ask you...what would you do if Rich was your friend? Just hide and watch?

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Lane, What would you do if someone came on AR and insulted your wife in public?

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
LEDVM--I don't know what you think about OJ is reason I asked. From your response, I do think I know now.
I don't know what Ted knew or didn't know nor his intent. His explanation was he came to the realization he hadn't seen him on here and asked.
I didn't know--had I asked would I be guilty of stirring the pot?
Had it been someone that was not your friend that did the same, would you feel differently? Perhaps feel it was Toyota---you asked for it you got it.

No, you never said ISS was innocent but you minimized it and rationalized it and blamed it on others and justified it that ISS had been exposed to stress and the victims were tattle tales. Friend or not, that's going overboard in view of what he did,

Suffice it to say...I disagree.

regardless of his real frame of mind, which only he would know.
Older, wiser, kinder, patriot, good people, all reasons he should have known better. Should never needed previous warnings. He claimed to be a member of Mensa, you'd think he'd have grasp of the obvious.

I don't disagree. Just pointing out that "it takes 2 to tango"...more than one side to this story.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by John Chalmers:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by carpetman1:
LEDVM (quote)

Then I ask you...what would you do if Rich was your friend? Just hide and watch?

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Lane, What would you do if someone came on AR and insulted your wife in public?

John,
You have watched my posts over the years...you know well that I would have pushed back. That said...there is good reason that after 11 yrs and several thousand posts and exchanges on AR...that I have never had an altercation like that.

But garanteed I would not have complained to Saeed or Don about them.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by John Chalmers:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by carpetman1:
LEDVM (quote)

Then I ask you...what would you do if Rich was your friend? Just hide and watch?

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Lane, What would you do if someone came on AR and insulted your wife in public?

John,
You have watched my posts over the years...you know well that I would have pushed back. That said...there is good reason that after 11 yrs and several thousand posts and exchanges on AR...that I have never had an altercation like that.

But garanteed I would not have complained to Saeed or Don about them.

But would you have taken the threat seriously?

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Folks,

I figured my first post on the is thread was sufficient but against my better judgement I'm going to make a couple of additional comments. First when Rich threatened me it was quite few years ago and I didn't even know his first name. I don't even know what set him off exactly but I do know I disagreed with him on some comments he made following his first safari. The threat and I didn't know this was his MO at the time was quite graphic. It said something about plunging a knife, watching the light go out in the eyes as the shit ran down the leg. I freely admit I was concerned. I contacted Saeed to see if he could somehow figure out who this guy really was but he said he could not. I wanted to share Rich's info with the sheriff before I contacted him. The Sheriff when I did contact him said unless Rich actually showed up there was not much he could do and of course Rich never followed through. I guess following those channels makes me a pussy but I would handle it the same if it happened again. Challenging Rich to a High Noon shoot out seemed a little silly in today's world.

My second point is I read Ted's initial post like everyone else and I must be naive as I interpreted it as nothing more than Ted wondering what happened to Rich. I think the notion that Ted had some additional agenda designed to start some huge bashing of Rich sounds ridiculous to me.

Mark

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
LEDVM--Certainly not trying to flame with you. Just sharing a different point of view. If two kids get into an argument on the playground and one tells on the other, that would be tattle tell. If same argument one of the kids pulls a knife or a gun, this would be reporting a crime--big difference. Death threats were made and thus a crime--it goes beyond being a tattler.

That is an "apples vs. oranges" straw-man type argument and I believe you even know there is little relevance there...the context is totally different.

This bring up a question this thread has created for me. As a DVM, if someone brought you a horse that obviously was mistreated, abused and otherwise deplorable conditions, do you have an obligation to report this? That is not tattling and not reporting it should be a crime.
In this situation where death threats were made, I can't see not reporting it.

To my knowledge...there is no law to report. I have never been presented with that type of scenario and doubt I ever will. I am an equine orthopedic surgeon. A cheap horse for me to look at is a $25K animal. The average worth of my patients is $100K...with multi-million dollar patients not unheard of. I am unlikely to ever be presented with such a scenario. If I am, I will decide the proper course of action at that time.