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The context...ie: proximity and likelihood of imminent danger makes your scenario an apples vs. oranges scenario with this example. No..."I" did not report being shot.  (apology for being a smart @$$) But there again...there is no comparison in the situations...in my case the act 'was' committed. I only state it to establish credibility that I fully understand, with first-hand experience, that "real" attacks do occur and what it is like to suffer from one. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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LEDVM I don't know the details, nor am I asking,but getting shot and not reporting it seems pretty serious to me. If you have that much resolve to not "tattle" I guess I understand a little your stance in the situation of this thread. Were you shot on two occasions or twice on one? If two occasions, sounds like you should have reported it. | |||
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Carpetman1, Of course my shooting was reported...just not by me. I was in ICU at Harris Methodist for weeks. I put quotation marks around I and admitted to being a smart-@$$ to let you know that it was not me that did the reporting (a feeble attempt at humor...again my apologies...again). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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My mom has told me she has wanted to kill someone because of something the person said or did. By the standards of many here that is a credible threat. I call bullshit on all of this. An angry PM does not rise to the level of a credible threat and only a snowflake would take it that way. The PC culture has so affected some here that they can no longer recognize hyperbole. Others do recognize hyperbole but choose to take the most extreme meaning (the logical fallacy of argument in extremis), which is dishonest. The correct responses to ISS so called "death threats" would have been either "F--k Off" or "I am sorry you feel that way." Anything more is bullshit...... | |||
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Course I guess all the folks nationwide that have been killed by people they had interactions with on the internet, is simply more of the bias of the MSM. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Suppporting page 13.. | |||
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Do we have a Psychiatrist on call? To this nonprofessional it looks like a bunch of people wasting their finite amount of time, arguing over the merits of a particular turd on their lawn. | |||
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This thread is a good example of what happens between the end of most North American hunting seasons and the start of Safari season.  | |||
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What does "one of us", public figure( I guess he is a legend-in his own mind) and AR personality have to do with a graphic death threat? Knife in the guts and watching the light go out in your eyes and feeling no remorse coming from a guy that tells you his VA psychiatrist tried to get him to take his meds and seek more therapy- but he refused the recommendation? Ask him to dial it down? REALLY? I didn't bother to report it but did invite him to drop by. As far as driving to your home- ever heard of planes? And CA is a lot closer to ID than TX. Rich finally got what he richly deserved. The theory that combat veterans deserve a free pass for serious antisocial ( and illegal) behavior is bullshit! Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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In the spirit of the Trump/Russian fiasco going on right now in the news cycle, I have it on good authority that Rich and Mark Sullivan had a meeting awhile back at one of the SCI shows.  That ought to get us to 13!!  | |||
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Jerry, You must have grown up in a different world than I did. You are certainly entitled to your opinion though. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The world I grew up in takes death threats from a self admitted psych patient seriously. I guess your world was different. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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"If you can't go all out, don't go..." | |||
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Yessir...it was and while I started to elborate...I erased it and will leave it at that. I have always counted you as a friend as well. Just as Rich has helped me out with stuff so have you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Just to clarify your question and thoughts, OJ was not found "innocent", he was found "not guilty", which doesn't mean he was innocent, it means that he could not be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The defense and the somewhat botched prosecution introduced reasonable doubt to the jurors at the trial. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Saeed, I would appreciate an answer to my question. I feel it is a valid question considering that since I posted it at least one of the victims has said the threats were quite some time ago. shane
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Gato--You are correct--either way he walked. | |||
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Before you were shot in the back, running away, Dr, did you think you had gotten in the last word then as well? We are one snowstorm in the NE US away from 20 pages. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Give me the simple life; an AK-47, a good guard dog and a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store. | |||
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You might want to clarify what you are asking...if you want me to answer. You make no sense. But for starters...was not shot in the back. Shot through the left side of my face from about 3 ft away looking at the end of the pistol barrel. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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jjbull, You are a less than a piece of shit for what you just posted to Lane.  | |||
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The only valid point in this whole sorry thread is ISS lost his marbles and started threatening members, and despite being warned as to his behavior, he persisted and got banned. And making excuses for his behavior defies all comprehension. This is not a court of law. This a privately owned website. And we set the rules. He broke them, numerous times, and got banned. Anyone who disagrees with this, is very welcome to set up his own website, and set his own rules. I guarantee you I will not argue with him.
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Totally uncalled for and absolute bullshit. You, sir, are a jackass. Lane and I can disagree but your comment is reprehensible. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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INTJ, Fuck off. Or, I am sorry you feel that way. Take your pick. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Give me the simple life; an AK-47, a good guard dog and a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store. | |||
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you too Jerry. If it ends this thread, I will own it happily ___________________________________________________________________________________ Give me the simple life; an AK-47, a good guard dog and a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store. | |||
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What the hell difference does it make to you when the thread ends...somebody twisting your arm to make you read it? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I have "19 pages" in the pool. My initial comment generated 6 more posts. $$ on the line ___________________________________________________________________________________ Give me the simple life; an AK-47, a good guard dog and a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store. | |||
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Did your nymphomaniac run out of liquor or did you become impotent? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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BOTH.... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Did Rich approach anyone in "prima persona" with gun or knife in hand?....the answer is NO! The above comparison is BS in Rich's case. | |||
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Ted was not threatened by ISS, was he? Didn't ISS only insult his old lady? IMHO, I think 15 pages will be the limit here. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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That's precisely the point; when a person "loses their marbles" they are practically unable to reason properly and in Rich's case, would be of the opinion that he went through moments of this nature which were triggered by a sequence of events, one among which would be "goading" by a 3rd party (2 to Tango comes to mind). | |||
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Fantastic! Rich is apparently sending Mark Sullivan to murder, gut and dismember all his enemies. Mark Sullivan is wll known at doing his clients jobs  | |||
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I am a pretty useless person and have only read Saeed's last post which includes Todd's but I can at least help get this to 13. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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And another Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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And another one, got it done Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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As far as I'm concerned (and I know that matters not) this entire thread should be shut down and deleted. The entire subject has been hashed out, aired out, and spun out. The man is banned. Why keep denigrating him in an open forum in which he cannot defend himself for all the things being said about him? I am not defending his actions - far from it. But everything that can or should be said has been said. Ending this would be the right and honorable thing to do. . | |||
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Perhaps Rich's friends can post messages from him to reply to the accusations. "And to so-and-so, Rich says this…." This way, the thread will go where no man has gone before. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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I think others have been run off from AR without being banned. Many who could contribute: Mark Sullivan Craig Boddington Ivan Carter Harry Selby (wow!) I'm sure the list could be longer. However, Saeed makes the rules. We have lost a lot of knowledge by losing those above and many others who chose not to put up with the bs. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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