Idaho Sharpshooter

04 March 2017, 06:18

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by graybird:
Boy, you've got it worse than I thought. Good luck, Lane!

It amazes me that someone starts a thread and is so ashamed of it that he gets his friends to come on to ask people to stop posting on it so that it can go away.

Graybird,
Go back and look once more who post #1 was. If it had not of been made...we would not be having this conversation.

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J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.

04 March 2017, 06:31

jdollar

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
I seriously doubt that there has been anyone bashed more than I have been than when I was attacked by Echoanne12. It was pretty brutal. She was way wrong. I was pissed off. Yet, I never threatened her life.

It boggles my mind that anyone defends anyone who threatens another persons life.

+1. Of course, we are just a bunch of tattle tales....isn't there some saying from Homeland Security about speaking up if you see or hear something that might involve security issues? Isn't a graphic death threat to multiple people a potential safety/security issue? I guess if you live in TX, you just blow it off. After all, these folks are never serious....

04 March 2017, 06:35

ted thorn

ledvm,

I really couldn't care less if this thread goes on forever or ends tomorrow

As a matter of fact Saeed should make it a sticky.

04 March 2017, 06:41

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
I seriously doubt that there has been anyone bashed more than I have been than when I was attacked by Echoanne12. It was pretty brutal. She was way wrong. I was pissed off. Yet, I never threatened her life.

It boggles my mind that anyone defends anyone who threatens another persons life.

Larry,

You are a normal person, and reacted like anyone of us would have.

Others have been making excuses for ISS whichever way they like.

It is actually the norm in our sad society today - anyone who does something totally ridiculous, it is never his fault.

It is always something else that caused it.

Or someone in his past that caused it.

Personal responsibility no longer counts.

Saeed sir,
I am all about personal responsibility. Rich did what he did...you did what you had to. I said that in an earlier post. What I object to...is someone starting a thread to ridicule a good man that can't respond...even though he shouldn't have done what he did.

Lane,

You can carry on as long as you like.

I will only ask you to stop when you start sending PMs to other members telling them in great details how you are going to disassemble them while you are listing to their cries for mercy.

You can bet your bottom dollar that I won't do that. But Rich is not the only person I know that has said that to a few people. They all had one thing in common too...like Mac said...they were vets. I could tell a story about a very prominent man in my life that was in the Lost Batallion...but I will just let it be.

04 March 2017, 06:43

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by ted thorn:
ledvm,

I really couldn't care less if this thread goes on forever or ends tomorrow

As a matter of fact Saeed should make it a sticky.

Agreed

Then everyone can remember.

Might want to clue Graybird in on that plan though.

04 March 2017, 06:46

ted thorn

As to why?

It is you he is trying to help......not me.

04 March 2017, 06:46

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Grenadier:
Just proof that Ukraine is no more important to AR than an ordinary Idaho sharpshooter is.

Gren,
He is a helluva lot more important to me that Ukraine! He was an American patriot.

04 March 2017, 06:48

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by ted thorn:
As to why?

It is you he is trying to help......not me.

Ted,
If you looked in my inbox of PM's...you would see that I don't need anymore support. But you can thank him for me anyway.

04 March 2017, 06:50

WLW

Like wiping your ass with a wagon wheel, just no end to it.

04 March 2017, 06:50

ted thorn

ledvn,

The funny thing is.....

This thread is more about you than it is the Idaho Sharpshooter

All at your hand.

Congratulations?

04 March 2017, 06:52

ledvm

What this thread is actually about Ted...is you! And you started it! You can pat yourself on the back.

04 March 2017, 06:53

MJines

quote:
Originally posted by jdollar

I guess if you live in TX, you just blow it off.

Might be on to something there . . . we do seem to be able to maintain a little better perspective on these matters than others.

04 March 2017, 07:19

carpetman1

That Kroil is pretty high dollar about $16 per can. Case lot is $168.05 x90% full X 4 cases =$604.98. Lead at .49 per pound (price has came down was higher--over 2k per ton)several pounds (lifetime supply) would add up. This all begs the question what else? Seems to me Ted's comments were spot on.

04 March 2017, 07:26

carpetman1

LEDVM--It's admirable for you to stick up to this degree for a friend and overlook the mistakes that have been said he made. I don't ask this to be a smart ass, just curious, do you think OJ is innocent? Let me rephrase that, a court of law said he was innocent. Do you think he did it?

04 March 2017, 07:26

jdollar

quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
quote:
Originally posted by jdollar

I guess if you live in TX, you just blow it off.

Might be on to something there . . . we do seem to be able to maintain a little better perspective on these matters than others.

Do I really need to remind you of a Texan who was killed by a vet with psych problems? 1 of the emails I received was very detailed about Rich's psych issues and his ignoring the recommendations for treatment. Oh, that's right, I should have realized he was just kidding and not "tattled".

04 March 2017, 07:32

MJines

quote:
Originally posted by jdollar:

Oh, that's right, I should have realized he was just kidding and not "tattled".

. . . took a while but you are catching on.

04 March 2017, 07:32

Saeed

I see the busy bodies - and lawyers!

- are at it!

A problem was caused by one member against other members.

Those members brought it to our attention.

Action take, and problem was solved.

The perpetrator, the victims and the people running this site, are really the only people who should have been concerned with it.

But, the Internet being what it is, every Tom, Dick and Harry likes to stick his nose in1

That McDonald advert comes to mind.

ARE YOU LOVING IT?

04 March 2017, 07:50

larryshores

Are we going to make 12?

04 March 2017, 08:01

jdollar

quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
quote:
Originally posted by jdollar:

Oh, that's right, I should have realized he was just kidding and not "tattled".

. . . took a while but you are catching on.

Unlike you, I have never been good at burying my head in the sand and ignoring a problem or pretending it didn't exist. You make a better ostrich than I do...

04 March 2017, 08:11

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by carpetman1:
LEDVM--It's admirable for you to stick up to this degree for a friend and overlook the mistakes that have been said he made. I don't ask this to be a smart ass, just curious, do you think OJ is innocent? Let me rephrase that, a court of law said he was innocent. Do you think he did it?

Carpetman1,
What do you think I think about OJ? I will follow that with: Did I ever state above that Rich was innocent?

I said it take 2 to tango.

I am disappointed that a person who with 90% likelihood already knew that Rich was banned...came on African Hunting and started a thread to make sure everyone knew and for why...to denigrate him.

Couple that with the fact that this man (Rich) has been around AR a long time, is an older gentleman, a patriot, known by many on AR to be good people, and a man who has gone out of his way to be kind to me just because.

Then I ask you...what would you do if Rich was your friend? Just hide and watch?

04 March 2017, 11:30

carpetman1

LEDVM--I don't know what you think about OJ is reason I asked. From your response, I do think I know now.
I don't know what Ted knew or didn't know nor his intent. His explanation was he came to the realization he hadn't seen him on here and asked.
I didn't know--had I asked would I be guilty of stirring the pot?
Had it been someone that was not your friend that did the same, would you feel differently? Perhaps feel it was Toyota---you asked for it you got it. No, you never said ISS was innocent but you minimized it and rationalized it and blamed it on others and justified it that ISS had been exposed to stress and the victims were tattle tales. Friend or not, that's going overboard in view of what he did, regardless of his real frame of mind, which only he would know.
Older, wiser, kinder, patriot, good people, all reasons he should have known better. Should never needed previous warnings. He claimed to be a member of Mensa, you'd think he'd have grasp of the obvious.

04 March 2017, 13:45

npd345

I am curious Saeed; why you did not take care of this, the problem of the threats, when it happened rather than years after it happened/was reported.

I understand he was suspended for other issues but did you ever suspend him for just the threats themselves?

I know he has been suspended for some of his posts but has he ever been suspended for just the threats and then allowed to come back?
Shane

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
I see the busy bodies - and lawyers! - are at it!

A problem was caused by one member against other members.

Those members brought it to our attention.

Action take, and problem was solved.

The perpetrator, the victims and the people running this site, are really the only people who should have been concerned with it.

But, the Internet being what it is, every Tom, Dick and Harry likes to stick his nose in1

That McDonald advert comes to mind.

ARE YOU LOVING IT?

04 March 2017, 14:21

Rockdoc

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by Rockdoc:
Hopefully in time Rich could come back without PM priveledges?

I agree, personal threats are not to be taken lightly.

It is not going to happen.

We don't have the time to start micro manage members, picking what they can do on the forums and what they cannot do.

You play by the rules, and you have every privilege everyone has.

You don't, and then you can find another play ground to play in.

Very simple really, and for the life of me, I cannot see how some fail to see this very simple fact.

Sawa Bwana!

04 March 2017, 16:01

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by John Chalmers:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by carpetman1:
LEDVM (quote)

Then I ask you...what would you do if Rich was your friend? Just hide and watch?

......................................

Lane, What would you do if someone came on AR and insulted your wife in public?

John,
You have watched my posts over the years...you know well that I would have pushed back. That said...there is good reason that after 11 yrs and several thousand posts and exchanges on AR...that I have never had an altercation like that.

But garanteed I would not have complained to Saeed or Don about them.

04 March 2017, 16:13

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by carpetman1:
LEDVM--I don't know what you think about OJ is reason I asked. From your response, I do think I know now.
I don't know what Ted knew or didn't know nor his intent. His explanation was he came to the realization he hadn't seen him on here and asked.
I didn't know--had I asked would I be guilty of stirring the pot?
Had it been someone that was not your friend that did the same, would you feel differently? Perhaps feel it was Toyota---you asked for it you got it.

No, you never said ISS was innocent but you minimized it and rationalized it and blamed it on others and justified it that ISS had been exposed to stress and the victims were tattle tales. Friend or not, that's going overboard in view of what he did,

Suffice it to say...I disagree.

regardless of his real frame of mind, which only he would know.
Older, wiser, kinder, patriot, good people, all reasons he should have known better. Should never needed previous warnings. He claimed to be a member of Mensa, you'd think he'd have grasp of the obvious.

I don't disagree. Just pointing out that "it takes 2 to tango"...more than one side to this story.

04 March 2017, 18:45

boarkiller

Let Rich in for a spell
After all, everyone would love it

" Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins.
When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar.
Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan
PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move...

Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies...
Only fools hope to live forever
“ Hávamál”

04 March 2017, 19:01

Slider

Their is not much left for the Vulchers on this thread either...................lol

04 March 2017, 20:00

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by John Chalmers:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by carpetman1:
LEDVM (quote)

Then I ask you...what would you do if Rich was your friend? Just hide and watch?

......................................

Lane, What would you do if someone came on AR and insulted your wife in public?

John,
You have watched my posts over the years...you know well that I would have pushed back. That said...there is good reason that after 11 yrs and several thousand posts and exchanges on AR...that I have never had an altercation like that.

But garanteed I would not have complained to Saeed or Don about them.

But would you have taken the threat seriously?

04 March 2017, 20:28

MJines

I think this is pretty simple . . .

If you were one of those "threatened", did you view the threat as credible or that it might be credible? If so, why did you not report it to law enforcement officials? If not, why do you feign all the outrage and distress over the threat? The fact that most did not even bother reporting the matter to law enforcement suggests to me that most did not regard the threats as serious, it just ruffled their sensibilities. Now we are led to believe that they have been in fear since the threats were made.

. . . now back to your regularly scheduled flogging.

04 March 2017, 20:33

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by John Chalmers:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by carpetman1:
LEDVM (quote)

Then I ask you...what would you do if Rich was your friend? Just hide and watch?

......................................

Lane, What would you do if someone came on AR and insulted your wife in public?

John,
You have watched my posts over the years...you know well that I would have pushed back. That said...there is good reason that after 11 yrs and several thousand posts and exchanges on AR...that I have never had an altercation like that.

But garanteed I would not have complained to Saeed or Don about them.

But would you have taken the threat seriously?

No...not if it came from "one of us" whom many on here know well and has a long history as a public figure and AR personality.

I would have PMed him and asked him if we couldn't dial back the rhetoric a little bit and be a little more amicable to each other...or...just agree to avoid each other on AR.

But no...I would not have worried in the least about him actually driving to my home to seek me out.

04 March 2017, 20:38

Crazyhorseconsulting

Maybe this discussion has reached this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

04 March 2017, 20:52

MJines

. . . we jumped the shark by page 2.

04 March 2017, 21:07

boarkiller

Everybody has to admit , this is fun

04 March 2017, 21:13

MARK H. YOUNG

Folks,

I figured my first post on the is thread was sufficient but against my better judgement I'm going to make a couple of additional comments. First when Rich threatened me it was quite few years ago and I didn't even know his first name. I don't even know what set him off exactly but I do know I disagreed with him on some comments he made following his first safari. The threat and I didn't know this was his MO at the time was quite graphic. It said something about plunging a knife, watching the light go out in the eyes as the shit ran down the leg. I freely admit I was concerned. I contacted Saeed to see if he could somehow figure out who this guy really was but he said he could not. I wanted to share Rich's info with the sheriff before I contacted him. The Sheriff when I did contact him said unless Rich actually showed up there was not much he could do and of course Rich never followed through. I guess following those channels makes me a pussy but I would handle it the same if it happened again. Challenging Rich to a High Noon shoot out seemed a little silly in today's world.

My second point is I read Ted's initial post like everyone else and I must be naive as I interpreted it as nothing more than Ted wondering what happened to Rich. I think the notion that Ted had some additional agenda designed to start some huge bashing of Rich sounds ridiculous to me.

Mark

04 March 2017, 21:59

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Folks,

I figured my first post on the is thread was sufficient but against my better judgement I'm going to make a couple of additional comments. First when Rich threatened me it was quite few years ago and I didn't even know his first name. I don't even know what set him off exactly but I do know I disagreed with him on some comments he made following his first safari. The threat and I didn't know this was his MO at the time was quite graphic. It said something about plunging a knife, watching the light go out in the eyes as the shit ran down the leg. I freely admit I was concerned. I contacted Saeed to see if he could somehow figure out who this guy really was but he said he could not. I wanted to share Rich's info with the sheriff before I contacted him. The Sheriff when I did contact him said unless Rich actually showed up there was not much he could do and of course Rich never followed through. I guess following those channels makes me a pussy but I would handle it the same if it happened again. Challenging Rich to a High Noon shoot out seemed a little silly in today's world.

My second point is I read Ted's initial post like everyone else and I must be naive as I interpreted it as nothing more than Ted wondering what happened to Rich. I think the notion that Ted had some additional agenda designed to start some huge bashing of Rich sounds ridiculous to me.

Mark

04 March 2017, 22:26

carpetman1

LEDVM--Certainly not trying to flame with you. Just sharing a different point of view. If two kids get into an argument on the playground and one tells on the other, that would be tattle tell. If same argument one of the kids pulls a knife or a gun, this would be reporting a crime--big difference. Death threats were made and thus a crime--it goes beyond being a tattler.
This bring up a question this thread has created for me. As a DVM, if someone brought you a horse that obviously was mistreated, abused and otherwise deplorable conditions, do you have an obligation to report this? That is not tattling and not reporting it should be a crime.
In this situation where death threats were made, I can't see not reporting it.

04 March 2017, 22:53

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by carpetman1:
LEDVM--Certainly not trying to flame with you. Just sharing a different point of view. If two kids get into an argument on the playground and one tells on the other, that would be tattle tell. If same argument one of the kids pulls a knife or a gun, this would be reporting a crime--big difference. Death threats were made and thus a crime--it goes beyond being a tattler.

That is an "apples vs. oranges" straw-man type argument and I believe you even know there is little relevance there...the context is totally different.

This bring up a question this thread has created for me. As a DVM, if someone brought you a horse that obviously was mistreated, abused and otherwise deplorable conditions, do you have an obligation to report this? That is not tattling and not reporting it should be a crime.
In this situation where death threats were made, I can't see not reporting it.

To my knowledge...there is no law to report. I have never been presented with that type of scenario and doubt I ever will. I am an equine orthopedic surgeon. A cheap horse for me to look at is a $25K animal. The average worth of my patients is $100K...with multi-million dollar patients not unheard of. I am unlikely to ever be presented with such a scenario. If I am, I will decide the proper course of action at that time.

As a side-note to your scenario above...I wear a pistol slug imbedded against the body of my 3rd cervical vertebrae and a permanent 3rd dimple in my left cheek...acquired not by accident. Thus...I have 'first hand experience' to draw from.