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We all know that... the only one who DOESN"T is Hot Bore.. Hot Bore is about as subtle and constructive as a 12 gauge in a China Shop.. | |||
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So when is someone going to start the thread where Hot Bore can tell us about his time as a Sniper during the Vietnam War? How he taught Carlos Hatchcock everything he knew... and how his kill numbers were over 500,000 NVA and VC killed... at ranges of 1 to 10 miles... and how he won 3 Purple Hearts in less time than John Kerry won his!.. and don't forget to ask him about his 3 Medal of Honors..  | |||
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I don't care much for a new topic. I'm just a STUPID .270 shooter with no ballistic or elk anatomy knowledge. But at least I have killed elk..…….and with a .270 ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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We seem to be missing a bunch of people foolish enough to think a totally rag Pre-64 Win is the Holy Grail of rifles. When they Brag on how great they are, I know their actual Hunting and Shooting first-hand experience is significantly limited to a very few rifles. The current M70 - made by FN - is 10x better than any rag Pre-64 M70 was ever made. When you find "Craftsmen" assembling rifles with lots of hand written "Notes" scribbled about on the Blue Prints and they all use different sets of Blue Prints, what should you expect. You will not find that today at FN. ----- By the way, I'm not going anywhere but right here at AR. I see a lot of people who posted totally ignorant stuff about Firearms and Hunting that I've called on it in the past in this thread. Give it your best shots, but the truth ALWAYS wins in the end.   | |||
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You wouldn't know truth is bit you in the nuts. | |||
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It seems you have Flunked Out of your GED class. Why am I not surprised. | |||
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Better to have tried and failed than not try at all. At last he got into the class, you didn't even pass the entrance exam  . | |||
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I'm sorry, I was distracted momentarily by this........  | |||
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Hot Core has finally got me thinking......I am under gunning for elk. I will bump up a bit for this coming season. I will use my other Wapiti Shooting Weapon (WSM).270 ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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dang, it hard to disagree with him when he quotes you. like a stopped clock, hot sore was right once today (digital clocks are only right once per day) So, let's hear about your elk hunting, hotsore ... i freely admit i've shot NONE and would like to hear from a master, perhaps even a person such as yourself. also, please educate me as to which counties hold deer populations so thick that a man can kill many thousands of them. If you are unwilling to give the county, how about the first digit .. round it to the nearest 100 deer, if you need to.. was it 7 or closer to 8 thousand? I mean, a man of your experience must have kept a log, or at least a running total, for records with the counties for doing pest control, at least.. you've got to have some record, there, man, and I'd like to know your best guess as to how many MANY thousand is .. I have to tell you, should you be genuine, i would have to be amazed .. i am pretty certain my count is far below "many hundred", though i lack your keyboarding skills opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Seafire: My goodness I did not know that Hotsh$t was such a sniper AND a war hero. All this in addition to the resident expert on "Elk Hunting or in his case...........ELK LOOKIN'" I'm going to put my hand over my butt each time I see one of his posts, out of respect for his accomplishments. Respectfully, | |||
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I have witnessed dozens of deer killed with 22-250's and a a few elk killed with 270's. It is common knowledge that those cartridges will get the job done. If they do not, it is the person behind the trigger. Not the fault of the cartridge. The new mono metal bullets makes them even better. Please don't try to persuade me with your personal opinions. Been there done that experience only please. Which you obviously do not have when it comes to these two cartridges on these respective species. | |||
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Hot Core got all his ballistic knowledge from his extensive study of CHE, that's how he knows the .270 isn't any good for killing elk no doubt. The fact that .270s (even out of pre64 M70s) have been reliably killing elk for many more years than most of us have has obviously escaped him. Not enough CHE with a .270 to kill elk, eh Hot Core, please explain the "ballistics" of that? Larry Gibson | |||
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Best of luck Ted.  | |||
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Outright refusal or side stepping the question isn't setting a very good example for all the newbies you profess to be looking out for, HC. Your reputation, such as it is, is in the toilet by not answering. Isn't it time to fess up? Or have you dug yourself such a deep hole there's no use in trying to get out? Gentlemen: perhaps it's time to cover him over and move on. Another troll bites the dust. | |||
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Being an "Elk Looker", I can understand how that would happen. By the way, Thanks to you and Vapo for the previous links about AD. | |||
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Had no idea that I'd come to a similar conclusion as jeffee. Obviously something is bad wrong. I need to re-think the situation.  ----- OK, just re-thought it. The new FN (non-rag) M70 is 20x better than ANY previously built YANKEE Land M70!  | |||
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How bout a picture of one you "looked" onto the wall. | |||
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Yup, totally agree, well said. | |||
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Hey Teancum... using Hot Bore's advise on elk anatomy and caliber I managed to on his advise, I used my trusty 22 Hornet, loaded with Blue Dot and a 30 grain HP bullet...Shot it out of my Model 70 at a range of over 600 yds.. Per Hot Core's advise, I did the head shot.. it was exactly like the picture of the elk that Hot Core Sent me via PM that he shot last week in the Carolinas... and just like his, the last words out of this elks mouth were "Moooooo"..... this elk must have weighed at least 2000 lbs!!! | |||
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Seafire Only with a load developed using CHE could such a shot be made  Larry Gibson | |||
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As I understand the inside scoop is that today when they had an explosion at the Nosler plant in Bend..they were testing Blue Dot loads in a 22 Hornet and 270.. and were trying to apply Hot Core's CHE instructions to figure out the pressure... they claim they were following it to the letter...but maybe they left out something important....ya think? | |||
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Good gosh, is that the " BEST " you bunch of loosers can do??!?!?!?! Down to: 1. The resident Board Lier(teenScum) 2. The Boards Alleged Scam Artist making up as many Lies as possible, who darn near Killed Red C. with his "guessed-at" grossly stupid Blue Dot Loads, and darn near created an earlier near disaster. 3. And a Doughnut Eating Radar Runner who is way too stupid to realize how much $$$money$$$ he tossed away by buying a non-calibratable, guessed at dimension M43 who's info was destroyed by CHE. Yes indeed, it is a Pitiful and Pathetic Lot of LOOSERS and FOOLS who can't do any better.  | |||
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Speaking of "the best" from a "loser"; same old crap from Hot Core...........he can't even come up with new crap! Larry Gibson | |||
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Ladies and Gentlemen: Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in? I have not killed any elk, but I sure would like to in the near future. I will probably use a 7x57 Ackley with 160 grain Nosler partitions. That should make them fall over in my opinion. Sincerely, Chris Bemis | |||
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Yale: The only thing you need to worry about, is Ol' Hotcore comming on and letting you have it because you aren't using a "BIG" ENOUGH gun. Your'e 7X57 is more than enough for an elk. Jerry NRA Benefactor Life Member | |||
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Thanks Jerry, that's what my little brain figured. | |||
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Sounds like an excellent cartridge/bullet combination of Elk to me. | |||
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Yep, great bullet....everyone knows that a .284 is more deadly than a .277 It's that extra 7 thou that gets-um ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Oh that's so like Hot Core; .270 bad choice for elk......7x57 AI good for elk. Definately shows Hot Core's excellent grasp of ballistics and elk killing. Perhaps the 7x57AI gives higher CHE......... Larry Gibson | |||
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Guess you missed the part where they admitted that they had accidently overcharged their cases, because they were not paying attention to their load techniques.. you probably had your nose too high in the air per usual, and were standing too high on your soap box also per usual... and since I never ever got or asked for compensation for sharing loads at people's request....where is it that you figure that makes me a scam artist and a liar? This coming from a guy who claims to have killed thousands of deer.... and he is busy calling others liars and accusing them of making up stuff??? you are definitely 'one of a kind' Hot Bore.... no one takes you seriously but YOU...but you are sure entertaining... sort of like watching the Little Rascals, The Keystone Cops, and the Three Stooges all rolled up into one pompous individual.. wowowowowowowowowowo... nyuk nyuk nyuk... | |||
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Yup, that .007" makes all the difference in the world versus a 270 Winchester. On a more serious note, I've had a number of 270's, didn't kill anything with them, but just like the 7mm's better. Also, fitting a 7x57 Ackley into an 1898 Mauser action is a snap, whereas the 270 takes a bit longer, lenthening the magazine, etc. Sincerely, Chris Bemis | |||
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Absolutely! And don't forget that WHOMPING extra 10gr!!!  | |||
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They said on the so-called News this morning that it is National Doughnut Day. Got a mental picture of my Radar Running hero with so many Powdered Doughnuts crammed in his car that if a window was able to be rolled down, a truck load would spill out. And of course there are the Lier Doughnuts for teenScum. Actually rocks covered with Powdered Sugar. And the always popular "Exploding in your Face" Doughnuts coated with Blue Dot which are doled out by our resident Alleged Scam Artist - seafire. (Just a matter of time.) ----- What happend to the rest of the FOOLS like howardee, huey, dewee, louie, chuckee, bradlee, jeffee, onefunee wildboree, 500weinee, krakee, jerree and all the rest?????!?!?!?!? They like to hand it out, but they sure can't take it.  | |||
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I think that you will find that most of us simply cannot be bothered with you and your lies, drivel, braggadocio and generally being a mutherphucking little azzwipe. Is that clear enough for a phoney like you are to comprehend? | |||
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Dewey you are so right, good post. That .00175" per side on the .284 bullet just has to make it better! I don't have 7X57AI ballistics handy, but someone can post them, and then I'll post the performance I get from a couple of my 270's for comparison! This just for fairness you understand, we don't want any more critical information errors posted here, now do we? Jerry NRA Benefactor Life Member | |||
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Well, it might be easier for him to comprehend if you had used colored type, cut & paste links, and lots of bold type, plus emoticons! As it is, Mr Hotcore resorts to argumentum ad hominem. I'll translate it for you Hotcore...'attacking the character, motives, etc., of an opponent rather than debating the issue on logical grounds.' Dude, you had better come clean. Nobody is ever going to take you seriously if you don't. What I have never understood is why it irks you so how I spend MY money. I mean, it's not like I planned on giving you what I spent on premium bullets or Oehler equipment! Doing so would be both wasteful & foolish. | |||
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