Go have a look on the outfitters section of this forum...there was a hunt offer for ibex in Turkey.

Some members didn't read properly and we're quick to jump the gun and make assumptions.. This is exactly the case here. Why not take the time to read properly and if you still do not understand ask in a gentleman like manner. Not need to act like a know it all and just make assumptions and when proven wrong be a coward and not apologies.

And for those who claim that some South Africans don't know what a wild lion is, JKhunter is probably one of the most experienced African and worldwide hunters around! Again think before you speak!

I wonder if anyone can identify anything positive or constructive served by this thread? I sure cannot.

Nothing positive could come from the post when andrew started it. But it was started because he sees that kind of hunt hurting us hunters. But then he does a video like that and thinks that is ok and does not hurt us in any way. The video should have never been made public and he should never had made the comments about a hunt he thinks is wrong.Make the video enjoy it but dont act like that does not do more damage then some guys hunting 3 buff cows.

Now you have have some people and SA ph's who are sick of the bs some guys spread. I guess you could say we learned sometimes it is better not to say anything at all.

Read the start of the hunt report that caused the shit storm. 3 buff in 3 days. sure looked like 3 buff to me. I did not read 3 trophy buff hunted down or anything else that would say the post was misleading.

Andrew may be one hell of a guy even a great hunter.He comes off like an ass to me in this whole mess. Makes me wondered what he thought he could gain or help with his stupid post. Not his first cheap shot at SA ph's with out all the facts.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
I wonder if anyone can identify anything positive or constructive served by this thread? I sure cannot.

Ok, looking for lemonade in the lemons Mike I would say there's a few folks who rarely post on AR and at least one completely new poster to AR showing up in this thread.

Maybe some will stick maybe not. I also suspect a few AR folks are looking around on AH right now. Maybe they will stick there as well.

I think AH & AR are a bit like apples and oranges. They may be different but both are edible.

Cheers
Jim

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
I wonder if anyone can identify anything positive or constructive served by this thread? I sure cannot.

Ok, looking for lemonade in the lemons Mike I would say there's a few folks who rarely post on AR and at least one completely new poster to AR showing up in this thread.

Maybe some will stick maybe not. I also suspect a few AR folks are looking around on AH right now. Maybe they will stick there as well.

I think AH & AR are a bit like apples and oranges. They may be different but both are edible.

Cheers
Jim

Perhaps. But I sort of doubt that is why Andrew started the thread, to invite new folks into the fold and engage them in the conversation. Certainly hard to see how the thread has done Andrew any favors but maybe he sees it differently.

What amazes me is the number of attacks and insults upon the South African hunting industry.

I personally have hunted and guided hunters in Mozambique, Botswana, Zimbabwe and South Africa. I have yet to hunt the rest of Africa and I am currently in Angola and I have been out a couple of times and I would say that is something very few here can say. But that is a chapter for another day.

Now to come back to my amazement, I have tried to find a thread on AR as well as AH where a South African Outfitter/PH started a thread where he is direct conflict with another Outfitter/PH regarding his hunting operation elsewhere other than South Africa. Needless to say I did not find one.

I have seen time and time again how PH’s from outside South Africa go out and badmouth and even go as far as insulting Outfitters from South Africa.
Is this the community that we are in? Is this your way of doing thing? Or is it in fact the very same reason why I am asking this, Is the rest on Africa not jealous because South Africa has a wider variety of species and more animals than the rest? Or could it be that they have only hunted in their neck of the woods and know nothing else? Maybe it could be that they have developed a lack of respect for others?

Before you go out and insult someone about his practice, think of what you have and what you could have.

For those of you who wish to think that South Africa is the only country that hunts captive bred Lions, I hate to break the news; I know very well what the difference between a captive bred and wild Lion is. Go do your homework and if you still argue the fact send me an email and I will point out a few facts, do not expect me to give manes of operators though. You can collect some of the African Hunting Gazette magazines for a start.

And one thing I live by is that any Professional Hunter is only as good as his last hunt. Many might not agree but that is the way I see things around here and crucify me for doing so but you will not change me.

And to you Mr Fair Game sir. I hope our paths never X.
This is not a warning nor an insult just a fact that I wish not to ever meet you in person.

quote:

Originally posted by bcap:
But then he does a video like that and thinks that is ok and does not hurt us in any way. The video should have never been made public

Andrew did not make the video public. I did as part of a hunt report written in 2012.

Someone else on AH decided to dig it up and try to tarnish Andrew and label him as having....

"The Neuropathology of Alcohol-specific Brain Damage, .......
HARPER, CLIVE MD, FRCPA

There is brain shrinkage in uncomplicated alcoholics which can largely be accounted for by loss of white matter. ............... However, alcohol-related neuronal loss has been documented in specific regions of the cerebral cortex (superior frontal association cortex), hypothalamus (supraoptic and paraventricular nuclei), and cerebellum."

That video has 910 views and about 300 of those occurred after the "resurrection".

As far as the video "hurting us in any way" I presume you mean hunters in general. If you are worried about anti's and what they think feel free to hide where you wish. It's your choice.

That video, whether you or anyone else approves of it, was part of telling a story. Alcohol was involved no doubt.

If you have spent time with Andrew than please tell us how much you felt he over indulged and how often. If you haven't spent time with him then you are making assumptions that likely are not accurate, at least not from my direct observations over a 23 day period.

Cheers
Jim

Addendum: I can't believe I bothered to look this up but that hunt report had 21,972 views yet that dreaded video only had 910 to date. I doubt much damage to hunters in general occurred.

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:

quote:

Originally posted by bcap:
But then he does a video like that and thinks that is ok and does not hurt us in any way. The video should have never been made public

Andrew did not make the video public. I did as part of a hunt report written in 2012.

Someone else on AH decided to dig it up and try to tarnish Andrew and label him as having....

"The Neuropathology of Alcohol-specific Brain Damage, .......
HARPER, CLIVE MD, FRCPA

There is brain shrinkage in uncomplicated alcoholics which can largely be accounted for by loss of white matter. ............... However, alcohol-related neuronal loss has been documented in specific regions of the cerebral cortex (superior frontal association cortex), hypothalamus (supraoptic and paraventricular nuclei), and cerebellum."

That video has 910 views and about 300 of those occurred after the "resurrection".

As far as the video "hurting us in any way" I presume you mean hunters in general. If you are worried about anti's and what they think feel free to hide where you wish. It's your choice.

That video, whether you or anyone else approves of it, was part of telling a story. Alcohol was involved no doubt.

If you have spent time with Andrew than please tell us how much you felt he over indulged and how often. If you haven't spent time with him then you are making assumptions that likely are not accurate, at least not from my direct observations over a 23 day period.

Cheers
Jim

Addendum: I can't believe I bothered to look this up but that hunt report had 21,972 views yet that dreaded video only had 910 to date. I doubt much damage to hunters in general occurred.

I know he did not post it and you with your wife made it. Have no problem with it as it was your hunt and your video more power to you. Dont care if people even have drinks and not hear to preach to anyone as I have made my mistakes.
I just find it hard to believe he thinks that report he was commenting on hurts hunting more then that video.I am sure he never figured it would get out for all to see but it is out and I myself dont think it is much help to us hunters. None of us should go after other other hunters period as we all have made mistakes.

I dont care to hide from anti hunters just dont need to give then any ammo to use to stop hunting. Andrews comments does nothing to help anything just makes us look bad fighting with each other.

No matter who posted it, it should never been filmed in the first place

Guys,

I've hunted with Andrew Baldrey, and I can unequivocally report that there is no better PH or person on the planet. He represents African PHs in the most positive way. If you get a change to hunt with or meet him - do it. I guarantee you won't regret it.

I've also hunted in RSA twice (both Wintershoek with John Tinley as my PH), and I can report that the experience was fabulous and worth every penny. The people, service, and experience were the equal of that provided by Andrew.

I've read Andrew's posts here, and IMO, he admitted to some misunderstanding from reading/viewing the AH report and he has apologized.

I believe we should all chill-out a bit and move on. Fighting with each does not further our common goals.

Regards, AIU

quote:

Originally posted by Limpopo Big Game Safaris:
No matter who posted it, it should never been filmed in the first place

Really!! Last I looked you weren't there nor did you pay for the hunt.

Cheers
Jim

Thank you AIU.

Your input is greatly appreciated. First of all I think I will speak not for all but for most,it is not a fight and if it was who started it. The fact of the matter is Andrew made an absolute unnecessary comment on another forum and the started an attack here. Now if it was the first time one might understand and move on. It is clear that he has an issue with SA Ph's as it's not the first time to cheap shot the SA PH community.
My best advice to anyone who wish to take it is to rather keep your mouth shut before you insult another person.
It might cost you dearly.

My best to you Sir and thanks you.

and life goes on
it all sounds like construction industry
you only as good as your last job
andrew and limpopo, you guys are good PH's as far as what I have read about you and I would love to hunt with both of you if I ever had a chance
written words are written words and it is just that
I wouldn't loose sleep over it if I was you

quote:

Originally posted by Ackley Improved User:
Guys,


I've read Andrew's posts here, and IMO, he admitted to some misunderstanding from reading/viewing the AH report and he has apologized.

I believe we should all chill-out a bit and move on. Fighting with each does not further our common goals.

Regards, AIU

Andrew did not make a real apology. it was a "backhanded" apology in which he took another shot while apologizing. He didn't apologize for being a smartass that said something childish and offensive and factually wrong. He "apologized" for being superior.

quote:

Originally posted by Limpopo Big Game Safaris:
What amazes me is the number of attacks and insults upon the South African hunting industry.

I personally have hunted and guided hunters in Mozambique, Botswana, Zimbabwe and South Africa. I have yet to hunt the rest of Africa and I am currently in Angola and I have been out a couple of times and I would say that is something very few here can say. But that is a chapter for another day.

Now to come back to my amazement, I have tried to find a thread on AR as well as AH where a South African Outfitter/PH started a thread where he is direct conflict with another Outfitter/PH regarding his hunting operation elsewhere other than South Africa. Needless to say I did not find one.

I have seen time and time again how PH’s from outside South Africa go out and badmouth and even go as far as insulting Outfitters from South Africa.
Is this the community that we are in? Is this your way of doing thing? Or is it in fact the very same reason why I am asking this, Is the rest on Africa not jealous because South Africa has a wider variety of species and more animals than the rest? Or could it be that they have only hunted in their neck of the woods and know nothing else? Maybe it could be that they have developed a lack of respect for others?

Before you go out and insult someone about his practice, think of what you have and what you could have.

For those of you who wish to think that South Africa is the only country that hunts captive bred Lions, I hate to break the news; I know very well what the difference between a captive bred and wild Lion is. Go do your homework and if you still argue the fact send me an email and I will point out a few facts, do not expect me to give manes of operators though. You can collect some of the African Hunting Gazette magazines for a start.

And one thing I live by is that any Professional Hunter is only as good as his last hunt. Many might not agree but that is the way I see things around here and crucify me for doing so but you will not change me.

And to you Mr Fair Game sir. I hope our paths never X.
This is not a warning nor an insult just a fact that I wish not to ever meet you in person.

May you guys should look in the mirror!

South Africa has some great PHs, and a lot of utter idiots too.

A lot more percentage wise than any country I know off!

Every time we hear of some nasty shenanigans going on, one more likely to find a South Africa PH involved in it - whether it is in South Africa, or another country!

This thread would never have started if the original poster explained it was a weekend meat hunt, rather than brag about it being such a great buffalo hunt.

There is nothing wrong with a meat hunt, but state the bloody facts rather than making it as something else.

Yesterday I climbed a 500 foot mountain, how would it look if I said I had climbed Mount Everest??

I know, this is a bit extreme, but tells exactly the same story.

The hunting report was told as a buffalo hunt and then backtracked and declared as an old cow hunt. My objection that it was neither. The shooting of young animals especially a prized animal as a buffalo goes against everything I know about buffalo hunting.

Note I did not point any fingers at the PH or indeed South Africa as a country but rather the ethics of such practises.

Finally it was declared as a cull to reduce congestion in a enclosed area. I am fine with that but do call it anything more than a cull.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:


Yesterday I climbed a 500 foot mountain, how would it look if I said I had climbed Mount Everest??

-What if you had just said "I climbed a mountain'?

...does it really fcKn matter to anyone but yourself as to which mountain or how high it was?

or does it have to be a 'proper' mountain?

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-Does one have to ski on natural snow because man-made snow is not 'proper'?

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-If I cycle the Pyreness mountains, does it have to be in the actual Tour De France, for it to be 'proper' cycling?

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Limpopo Big Game Safaris:
What amazes me is the number of attacks and insults upon the South African hunting industry.

I personally have hunted and guided hunters in Mozambique, Botswana, Zimbabwe and South Africa. I have yet to hunt the rest of Africa and I am currently in Angola and I have been out a couple of times and I would say that is something very few here can say. But that is a chapter for another day.

Now to come back to my amazement, I have tried to find a thread on AR as well as AH where a South African Outfitter/PH started a thread where he is direct conflict with another Outfitter/PH regarding his hunting operation elsewhere other than South Africa. Needless to say I did not find one.

I have seen time and time again how PH’s from outside South Africa go out and badmouth and even go as far as insulting Outfitters from South Africa.
Is this the community that we are in? Is this your way of doing thing? Or is it in fact the very same reason why I am asking this, Is the rest on Africa not jealous because South Africa has a wider variety of species and more animals than the rest? Or could it be that they have only hunted in their neck of the woods and know nothing else? Maybe it could be that they have developed a lack of respect for others?

Before you go out and insult someone about his practice, think of what you have and what you could have.

For those of you who wish to think that South Africa is the only country that hunts captive bred Lions, I hate to break the news; I know very well what the difference between a captive bred and wild Lion is. Go do your homework and if you still argue the fact send me an email and I will point out a few facts, do not expect me to give manes of operators though. You can collect some of the African Hunting Gazette magazines for a start.

And one thing I live by is that any Professional Hunter is only as good as his last hunt. Many might not agree but that is the way I see things around here and crucify me for doing so but you will not change me.

And to you Mr Fair Game sir. I hope our paths never X.
This is not a warning nor an insult just a fact that I wish not to ever meet you in person.

May you guys should look in the mirror!

South Africa has some great PHs, and a lot of utter idiots too.

A lot more percentage wise than any country I know off!

Every time we hear of some nasty shenanigans going on, one more likely to find a South Africa PH involved in it - whether it is in South Africa, or another country!

This thread would never have started if the original poster explained it was a weekend meat hunt, rather than brag about it being such a great buffalo hunt.

There is nothing wrong with a meat hunt, but state the bloody facts rather than making it as something else.

Yesterday I climbed a 500 foot mountain, how would it look if I said I had climbed Mount Everest??

I know, this is a bit extreme, but tells exactly the same story.

For the third or fourth time, it was not a meat hunt!

I'm not sure why you keep saying it was a meat hunt if the hunters didn't even keep the meat.

Most of the confusion on this thread has been caused by your inability to read properly and then you are too proud and arrogant to get off your high horse and admit you have made a mistake.

Just stop now, you only making yourself look bad

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:


May you guys should look in the mirror!

South Africa has some great PHs, and a lot of utter idiots too.

A lot more percentage wise than any country I know off!

Every time we hear of some nasty shenanigans going on, one more likely to find a South Africa PH involved in it - whether it is in South Africa, or another country!

You didn't consider that this may be due to the fact there are THOUSANDS of PH's in South Africa? If there are 50 PH's in another country with different regulations - what chance is there that all or most of them are good?

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:

The hunting report was told as a buffalo hunt and then backtracked and declared as an old cow hunt. My objection that it was neither. The shooting of young animals especially a prized animal as a buffalo goes against everything I know about buffalo hunting.

Note I did not point any fingers at the PH or indeed South Africa as a country but rather the ethics of such practises.

Finally it was declared as a cull to reduce congestion in a enclosed area. I am fine with that but do call it anything more than a cull.

What were they hunting then? They look like some kind of buffalo to me...

For what ever reason some of you like to add more to the report then was there. No one said it was a trophy hunt or bull hunt. Said 3BUFF in 3 DAYS. The fact are that happen. Now because they did not give the reason for why the hunt happen from the start that makes it bad or not proper.

Because some of you care to add words or not read it as it is does not make it wrong. Most of us know the main reason it is looked down on by a few is it happened in SA and not zambia. Always come back to the same old thing by a few also it is always some SA ph who screwed someone or is going to. Get your heads out of your asses and realize there is bad ph's in all countries.

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:


The hunting report was told as a buffalo hunt and then backtracked and declared as an old cow hunt. My objection that it was neither. The shooting of young animals especially a prized animal as a buffalo goes against everything I know about buffalo hunting.

Note I did not point any fingers at the PH or indeed South Africa as a country but rather the ethics of such practises.

Finally it was declared as a cull to reduce congestion in a enclosed area. I am fine with that but do call it anything more than a cull.

Andrew please do yourself a favor and read the guys hunting report again. I think best would be to read it tomorrow morning and come back as a man and apologize for what you have said. Be a man for once in your life.

Hi All, we had a very successful long weekend. We had a client who initially booked one buffalo. He brought some of his friends along. We were fortunate to get his buff on day one - with two days sparing, one of his friends also decided he wanted a buff, we got it on the second day. With one more day to go, his other mate also decided he would like a buff. In the three days we managed to get all three buffs. We
hunted in a Big5 reserve of 5000ha in size.
Well done to the team on a great effort.

Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris

Just........well........wow.......

And some of you make fun of the "Crater"?????



.

What I say is based on facts and not fiction as most of the posts here and it sure as hell has nothing to do with emotions.

1. Yet another insult upon South Africa PH’s and this time from the moderator of this forum. Well done Saeed, you are a true example especially as you are the moderator as well.
Saeed said: “Every time we hear of some nasty shenanigans going on, one more likely to find a South Africa PH involved in it - whether it is in South Africa, or another country!”

2. Saeed it is clear to me that you two have not even read the original post about the Buffalo hunt and yes that is what it was because it was a hunt.

3. Here it is.
Hi All, we had a very successful long weekend. We had a client who initially booked one buffalo. He brought some of his friends along. We were fortunate to get his buff on day one - with two days sparing, one of his friends also decided he wanted a buff, we got it on the second day. With one more day to go, his other mate also decided he would like a buff. In the three days we managed to get all three buffs. We
hunted in a Big5 reserve of 5000ha in size.
Well done to the team on a great effort.

4. Now as you can see the writer here mentions that it was in fact on a long weekend, making this a weekend hunt, but never mentioned the word hunt till he explained where the hunting area was.

5. So to also clear the matter on “Hunt” or not “Hunt” or to what you should call it. Here is what is written in the Limpopo Environmental act and this is the definition or the meaning of the word “Hunt”
”hunt” means hunt with the intent to kill, and includes –
(a) to search for, lie in wait for, bait, pursue, shoot at, set a snare or trap or disturb with the
intent to kill wild or alien animal; or
(b) to dart or immobilise a wild or alien animal by any means or method for trophy purposes;
or
(c) to collect or destroy the egg of a bird or reptile;

6. So now it is clear that the writer was in fact correct by using the word “Hunting” in his explanation.
His and his client’s goal was to in fact pursue, follow or go after a herd of buffalo and kill one out of the herd. In short, if you want to kill an animal you are hunting. Be it male, female, old, young, for trophy or for the meat, it’s all the same, as your intentions is to kill the animal.

7. This thread was started by Andrew to insult and humiliate the PH’s who conducted the HUNT and also the South African Hunting industry.

And for the "Every time we hear of some nasty shenanigans going on, one more likely to find a South Africa PH involved in it - whether it is in South Africa, or another country!"
Please go and do your homework before writing such a statement.

Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris

Just can't let it go...why do I feel like you are channeling my ex-wife?

Jeff

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Just can't let it go...why do I feel like you are channeling my ex-wife?

Jeff

Jeff please accept my apologies if you think this is a challenge against your ex-Wife.

It is not, I am sorry

Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Just can't let it go...why do I feel like you are channeling my ex-wife?

Jeff

Mr. Mostert,

I think Jeff is comparing your tenacious attitude and continued repeating of your position and belief to that of his ex-wife who apparently didn't know how to move on from an argument.

Of course, I could be wrong.

Cheers
Jim

quote:

Originally posted by Limpopo Big Game Safaris:

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Just can't let it go...why do I feel like you are channeling my ex-wife?

Jeff

Jeff please accept my apologies if you think this is a challenge against your ex-Wife.

It is not, I am sorry

Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris

That made me laugh!!!

Cheers!!

Jeff

At least now you have something to laugh about.

Bossie don't hold your breath for apologies... there is even A SA PH on page 1 that had allot to say. Lets this thing die now it leaves a bad taste.

Would someone please explain WHAT kind of a hunt this was??

If it wasn't a meat hunt, what was it??

It most certainly was NOT a proper buffalo hunt!

SAEED FOR THE LAST TIME DESCRIBE TO US NOVISCES WHAT IS A PROPER BUFFALO HUNT.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Would someone please explain WHAT kind of a hunt this was??

If it wasn't a meat hunt, what was it??

It most certainly was NOT a proper buffalo hunt!

O for crying out load, the ignorance on this forum.

OMW

I honestly thought you had more in you.

Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Safaris

Well its people like LARRY that get the ball rolling and then SAEED just pitches in...

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:

This case is a bit different. There is a outfitter posting this like it was some kind of ultra-successful trophy hunt. It was not.

Nobody on AH claimed it was a 'trophy hunt'...so whats with the accusation?
NOt much different to your utter dill-brain conjecture that PH- Stu Taylor was 'sueing' Tim Herald.

I don't see why people have such issue with clients posing with and sharing their 'buffalo hunt' results, and where no false claims were made by them.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Would someone please explain WHAT kind of a hunt this was??

If it wasn't a meat hunt, what was it??

It most certainly was NOT a proper buffalo hunt!

It was a buffalo hunt mate.... Nothing more nothing less

I was just curious to know.
Does anyone here think this thread would have been 8 pages long if it was a Tusk less Elephant hunt from Zimbabwe?

But then I wonder if Andrew and Saeed would be able to tell the difference between a Bull and Cow Elephant.

Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris

I was just curious to know.
Does anyone here think this thread would have been 8 pages long if it was a Tusk less Elephant hunt from Zimbabwe?

But then I wonder if Andrew and Saeen would be able to tell the difference between a Bull and Cow Elephant.

Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Would someone please explain WHAT kind of a hunt this was??

If it wasn't a meat hunt, what was it??

It most certainly was NOT a proper buffalo hunt!

does this hunt have to be categorized? and what constitutes 'proper?'

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Would someone please explain WHAT kind of a hunt this was??

If it wasn't a meat hunt, what was it??

It most certainly was NOT a proper buffalo hunt!

So I gather someone that "goes deer hunting" and shoots a doe did not go deer hunting? Or someone that "went elephant hunting" and shot a tuskless cow did not go elephant hunting? Perhaps the person that "did a pig hunt" and shot a sow did not really do a pig hunt either. And it goes without saying that someone that "shot a zebra" that was a mare really was not on zebra hunt. For that matter, even if they "shot a zebra stallion" it would not be a proper hunt if the zebra was shot for bait . . . it must have been a bait hunt. And I would infer that a buffalo bull shot for bait would likewise not fall into the category of a "proper hunt", rather it would be a bait hunt or some lesser category of hunt.

As Napoleon said, there is one step from the sublime to the ridiculous . . . and it looks like we have taken that step.

"Would someone please explain WHAT kind of a hunt this was??

If it wasn't a meat hunt, what was it??

It most certainly was NOT a proper buffalo hunt!"

Saeed. I will try to explain in a way you can understand. IT WAS NOT: The PH had 3 buffalo left on quota. The hunter had tons of cash and wanted to shoot something. They jumped off the truck, ran 100 yards and "clapped" 3 buffalo. Side by side, by side. Took a few pictures, loaded up the entourage and headed off in search of the remaing 17 impala on quota. You see the concession owner (farmer) wanted a specific number of animals harvested (killed) in a specific area. That is YOUR safari.

You sir, are the biggest culprit of "Whack N Stack" safaris. You are the only person who enters a "proper safari" with a shopping list, not a wish list. You don't hunt LDE because you can't shoot 5 of them.

It was a blue collar hunt by 3 guys who were happy with the animals harvested. Period.
Please leave normal hunters and hard working PH's alone.

I am happy for you and your hunts. Do I consider it a Proper Hunt? Not a bit.
Ski+3