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quote:

Originally posted by Limpopo Big Game Safaris:
I was just curious to know.
Does anyone here think this thread would have been 8 pages long if it was a Tusk less Elephant hunt from Zimbabwe?

But then I wonder if Andrew and Saeed would be able to tell the difference between a Bull and Cow Elephant.

Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris

No we would not.

We would have to employ one of the thousands of South African farm boys claiming to be PHs to tell us the difference!

We can play ping pong all day long Saeed....but you are just one of a kind.




But sure enough I have enjoyed all your

It just shows all of us here that the AFRICA HUNTING FORUM
is in a class of its own. For the real men, here is the link.

www.africahunting.com

Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris

O and Saeed I just wanted to take the time and thank you for
the hunts I sold in the past 3 DAYS. There is just nothing like
free publicity.

THANK YOU
Blessings to all.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Limpopo Big Game Safaris:
I was just curious to know.
Does anyone here think this thread would have been 8 pages long if it was a Tusk less Elephant hunt from Zimbabwe?

But then I wonder if Andrew and Saeed would be able to tell the difference between a Bull and Cow Elephant.

Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris

No we would not.

We would have to employ one of the thousands of South African farm boys claiming to be PHs to tell us the difference!

Another insult... Keep going mate... The more you open your mouth the you look like an utter fool

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Would someone please explain WHAT kind of a hunt this was??

If it wasn't a meat hunt, what was it??

It most certainly was NOT a proper buffalo hunt!

Apparently it was an old cow buffalo hunt. An old dry cow buffalo hunt and the meat was flicked over the fence to feed someones cats.

That is perfectly fine with me and I have no problem with that except thats not what I read on the report and besides there is no dry old cow. Maybe is was a dry old bull. I am also confused.

Anyway boys you have simply demonstrated now that you have a problem with this hunting site and it is purely a mine is better that yours thingy.

I am off hunting early tomorrow and if you feel you want to vent your frustrations then send me some nasty PMs as after all it was my problem.

Gentlemen indeed?

The new south african phs just gives me great comfort i am hunting in Save/Zim, Tholo/bostwana and hopefully with Andrew one day.

Hope the new south african phs sell a lot of so called hunts - someone needs to shoot and mount all white lions, black impalas, golden wildebeest and other farm breed chattle.

Maybe africanhunting.com can give then top banner placement and delete all negative posts.

Mike

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:
The new south african phs just gives me great comfort i am hunting in Save/Zim, Tholo/bostwana and hopefully with Andrew one day.

Hope the new south african phs sell a lot of so called hunts - someone needs to shoot and mount all white lions, black impalas, golden wildebeest and other farm breed chattle.

Maybe africanhunting.com can give then top banner placement and delete all negative posts.

Mike

Again.... Another ignorant person... The black impala, golden wildebeest etc are rarely bred to be hunted. Game breeding is totally different to game hunting mate.. Get your facts straight

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:
The new south african phs just gives me great comfort i am hunting in Save/Zim, Tholo/bostwana and hopefully with Andrew one day.

Hope the new south african phs sell a lot of so called hunts - someone needs to shoot and mount all white lions, black impalas, golden wildebeest and other farm breed chattle.

Maybe africanhunting.com can give then top banner placement and delete all negative posts.

Mike

Again.... Another ignorant person... The black impala, golden wildebeest etc are rarely bred to be hunted. Game breeding is totally different to game hunting mate.. Get your facts straight

I assume wild lions or cattle killing rouges from botswana

http://www.lbgsafaris.com/Lion.html
http://www.intrepidsafaris.com...lery/image/dsc01140/

I have nothing against you guys selling chattle shoots. Its a business the lions bones sell for like 75-100 a pound.

I may be ignorant - i just know after 4 trips over to africa where i am going to go to spend my money to meet my hunting standards.

Mike

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:
The new south african phs just gives me great comfort i am hunting in Save/Zim, Tholo/bostwana and hopefully with Andrew one day.

Hope the new south african phs sell a lot of so called hunts - someone needs to shoot and mount all white lions, black impalas, golden wildebeest and other farm breed chattle.

Maybe africanhunting.com can give then top banner placement and delete all negative posts.

Mike

Again.... Another ignorant person... The black impala, golden wildebeest etc are rarely bred to be hunted. Game breeding is totally different to game hunting mate.. Get your facts straight

I assume wild lions or cattle killing rouges from botswana

http://www.lbgsafaris.com/Lion.html
http://www.intrepidsafaris.com...lery/image/dsc01140/

I have nothing against you guys selling chattle shoots. Its a business the lions bones sell for like 75-100 a pound.

I may be ignorant - i just know after 4 trips over to africa where i am going to go to spend my money to meet my hunting standards.

Mike

Again read properly before you type.. I was referring to black impala and golden wildebeest and those animals.

As for the lions.... Why don't you contact Bossie and Phillip directly... They will tell you exactly what you can expect from the hunt. I don't know Phillip but I have been chatting to Bossie recently and he sure as hell is a fine PH and ethical operator.

It's really surprising how it is only a few guys that misunderstood the original post. Now that they are backed into a corner they are just throwing insults around. Really classy mate!

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:
The new south african phs just gives me great comfort i am hunting in Save/Zim, Tholo/bostwana and hopefully with Andrew one day.

Hope the new south african phs sell a lot of so called hunts - someone needs to shoot and mount all white lions, black impalas, golden wildebeest and other farm breed chattle.

Maybe africanhunting.com can give then top banner placement and delete all negative posts.

Mike

Again.... Another ignorant person... The black impala, golden wildebeest etc are rarely bred to be hunted. Game breeding is totally different to game hunting mate.. Get your facts straight

I assume wild lions or cattle killing rouges from botswana

http://www.lbgsafaris.com/Lion.html
http://www.intrepidsafaris.com...lery/image/dsc01140/

I have nothing against you guys selling chattle shoots. Its a business the lions bones sell for like 75-100 a pound.

I may be ignorant - i just know after 4 trips over to africa where i am going to go to spend my money to meet my hunting standards.

Mike

Again read properly before you type.. I was referring to black impala and golden wildebeest and those animals.

As for the lions.... Why don't you contact Bossie and Phillip directly... They will tell you exactly what you can expect from the hunt. I don't know Phillip but I have been chatting to Bossie recently and he sure as hell is a fine PH and ethical operator.

It's really surprising how it is only a few guys that misunderstood the original post. Now that they are backed into a corner they are just throwing insults around. Really classy mate!

Why should i call him up and ask about white lion chattle shoot i have no interest in.

Someone who wants a white lion can.

South africa is nice for vacation, shark diving ect. Till there is hunting in zim zambia botswana I will pass on south africa but that is my choice.

Mike

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:
Now that they are backed into a corner they are just throwing insults around. Really classy mate!

There are plenty of insults being tossed from both trenches.

Most threads on AR lose any worthwhile informative value around page 4. This one is now on page 9.

I doubt any minds are going to be changes on either "side".

Now if we want to expand this dispute into AR vs. AH and the benefits and faults of both I would point out that earlier on this page one of the "gentlemen" from RSA gave the link to AH inviting everyone to give it a try.

Perhaps the same "gentleman" should try to post the exact same offer over on AH and word it with AR. At that point you will see the difference between the two forums.


Cheers
Jim

quote:

Originally posted by Limpopo Big Game Safaris:


It just shows all of us here that the AFRICA HUNTING FORUM
is in a class of its own. For the real men, here is the link.

www.africahunting.com

Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris
THANK YOU
Blessings to all.

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:
The new south african phs just gives me great comfort i am hunting in Save/Zim, Tholo/bostwana and hopefully with Andrew one day.

Hope the new south african phs sell a lot of so called hunts - someone needs to shoot and mount all white lions, black impalas, golden wildebeest and other farm breed chattle.

Maybe africanhunting.com can give then top banner placement and delete all negative posts.

Mike

Again.... Another ignorant person... The black impala, golden wildebeest etc are rarely bred to be hunted. Game breeding is totally different to game hunting mate.. Get your facts straight

I assume wild lions or cattle killing rouges from botswana

http://www.lbgsafaris.com/Lion.html
http://www.intrepidsafaris.com...lery/image/dsc01140/

I have nothing against you guys selling chattle shoots. Its a business the lions bones sell for like 75-100 a pound.

I may be ignorant - i just know after 4 trips over to africa where i am going to go to spend my money to meet my hunting standards.

Mike

Again read properly before you type.. I was referring to black impala and golden wildebeest and those animals.

As for the lions.... Why don't you contact Bossie and Phillip directly... They will tell you exactly what you can expect from the hunt. I don't know Phillip but I have been chatting to Bossie recently and he sure as hell is a fine PH and ethical operator.

It's really surprising how it is only a few guys that misunderstood the original post. Now that they are backed into a corner they are just throwing insults around. Really classy mate!

http://www.africahuntlodge.com...ala_hunt_package.asp

http://www.africahuntlodge.com...est_hunt_package.asp

Call him up ask why he is killing breeding chattle

Mike

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:
Now that they are backed into a corner they are just throwing insults around. Really classy mate!

There are plenty of insults being tossed from both trenches.

Most threads on AR lose any worthwhile informative value around page 4. This one is now on page 9.

I doubt any minds are going to be changes on either "side".

Now if we want to expand this dispute into AR vs. AH and the benefits and faults of both I would point out that earlier on this page one of the "gentlemen" from RSA gave the link to AH inviting everyone to give it a try.

Perhaps the same "gentleman" should try to post the exact same offer over on AH and word it with AR. At that point you will see the difference between the two forums.


Cheers
Jim

Jim

Will be deleted in under an hr.

AR - saeed's sand box where he often gets insulted himself a fair bit. Also an important place to discuss political events in political forum.

AH - site to sell south african hunts.

Mike

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:
The new south african phs just gives me great comfort i am hunting in Save/Zim, Tholo/bostwana and hopefully with Andrew one day.

Hope the new south african phs sell a lot of so called hunts - someone needs to shoot and mount all white lions, black impalas, golden wildebeest and other farm breed chattle.

Maybe africanhunting.com can give then top banner placement and delete all negative posts.

Mike

Again.... Another ignorant person... The black impala, golden wildebeest etc are rarely bred to be hunted. Game breeding is totally different to game hunting mate.. Get your facts straight

I assume wild lions or cattle killing rouges from botswana

http://www.lbgsafaris.com/Lion.html
http://www.intrepidsafaris.com...lery/image/dsc01140/

I have nothing against you guys selling chattle shoots. Its a business the lions bones sell for like 75-100 a pound.

I may be ignorant - i just know after 4 trips over to africa where i am going to go to spend my money to meet my hunting standards.

Mike

Again read properly before you type.. I was referring to black impala and golden wildebeest and those animals.

As for the lions.... Why don't you contact Bossie and Phillip directly... They will tell you exactly what you can expect from the hunt. I don't know Phillip but I have been chatting to Bossie recently and he sure as hell is a fine PH and ethical operator.

It's really surprising how it is only a few guys that misunderstood the original post. Now that they are backed into a corner they are just throwing insults around. Really classy mate!

http://www.africahuntlodge.com...ala_hunt_package.asp

http://www.africahuntlodge.com...est_hunt_package.asp

Call him up ask why he is killing breeding chattle

Mike

Notice how I said RARELY hunted... For sure there are some that are shot each year but I guarantee you in the whole of SA we don't shoot more than 5-6 a year....

You are more than welcome to not hunt in SA... All we ask is that you don't spread false rumors about our industry.

As a matter of fact I hunted the Save not too long ago and it was an excellent experience and believe it or not it was actually easier than many hunts in SA. We can agree to disagree but there's no need for you guys that don't want to hunt to carry on saying stuff like shooting cattle and our PHs aren't proper PHs etc..

Anyways this will be my last post here. I'm off to hunt vaalies tomorrow and trust me they are more free range than any of your pg hunts in Botswana or Zimbabwe

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:
The new south african phs just gives me great comfort i am hunting in Save/Zim, Tholo/bostwana and hopefully with Andrew one day.

Hope the new south african phs sell a lot of so called hunts - someone needs to shoot and mount all white lions, black impalas, golden wildebeest and other farm breed chattle.

Maybe africanhunting.com can give then top banner placement and delete all negative posts.

Mike

Again.... Another ignorant person... The black impala, golden wildebeest etc are rarely bred to be hunted. Game breeding is totally different to game hunting mate.. Get your facts straight

I assume wild lions or cattle killing rouges from botswana

http://www.lbgsafaris.com/Lion.html
http://www.intrepidsafaris.com...lery/image/dsc01140/

I have nothing against you guys selling chattle shoots. Its a business the lions bones sell for like 75-100 a pound.

I may be ignorant - i just know after 4 trips over to africa where i am going to go to spend my money to meet my hunting standards.

Mike

Again read properly before you type.. I was referring to black impala and golden wildebeest and those animals.

As for the lions.... Why don't you contact Bossie and Phillip directly... They will tell you exactly what you can expect from the hunt. I don't know Phillip but I have been chatting to Bossie recently and he sure as hell is a fine PH and ethical operator.

It's really surprising how it is only a few guys that misunderstood the original post. Now that they are backed into a corner they are just throwing insults around. Really classy mate!

http://www.africahuntlodge.com...ala_hunt_package.asp

http://www.africahuntlodge.com...est_hunt_package.asp

Call him up ask why he is killing breeding chattle

Mike

Notice how I said RARELY hunted... For sure there are some that are shot each year but I guarantee you in the whole of SA we don't shoot more than 5-6 a year....

You are more than welcome to not hunt in SA... All we ask is that you don't spread false rumors about our industry.

As a matter of fact I hunted the Save not too long ago and it was an excellent experience and believe it or not it was actually easier than many hunts in SA. We can agree to disagree but there's no need for you guys that don't want to hunt to carry on saying stuff like shooting cattle and our PHs aren't proper PHs etc..

Anyways this will be my last post here. I'm off to hunt vaalies tomorrow and trust me they are more free range than any of your pg hunts in Botswana or Zimbabwe

Good luck on your hunt.

Please note I have used the word chattle not cattle. Chattle denotes ownership/property rights.

I fully support chattle hunting shoots ect. There is a reason why there is more game in South Africa than ever before. Because it has property rights.

I just know people in zim, Botswana and Zambia I want to hunt with.

Mike

Guys, we are all on the same side... we are all men and sometimes our pride gets the better of us all, Saeed my friend your insults on this thread is mind boggling! I sure as hell did not expect it from someone with your status, I will say it again and for the last time that poor fellow did nothing wrong! Andrew had absolutely no reason to even bring that up, As I said it before he is a fine PH great guy but we all sometimes say things and do things... and how you react after the fact defines you.

Cheers I am done with this , I have some great old clients in camp that has hunted 5 different countries in Africa with me, and when they got here on my " HIGH FENCED" RANCH yesterday they called it home... And to me it is home and I don't Give a HELL what anybody say about me my business or my country.

quote:

Originally posted by Limpopo Big Game Safaris:
We can play ping pong all day long Saeed....but you are just one of a kind.




But sure enough I have enjoyed all your

It just shows all of us here that the AFRICA HUNTING FORUM
is in a class of its own. For the real men, here is the link.

www.africahunting.com

Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris

O and Saeed I just wanted to take the time and thank you for
the hunts I sold in the past 3 DAYS. There is just nothing like
free publicity.

THANK YOU
Blessings to all.

AWESOME!!
LOL..... Are any of them "proper" hunts?

Everyone knows my opinion of other hunting forums.

I have always stated that the more open forums there are available for us to discuss hunting on the better.

Now of course we see the real low lives from South Africa are trying to lower Internet hunting forums to their level down in the gutter.

It will not happen.

I wish Jerome all the best in his efforts to promote hunting.

The best part of this thread has become very obvious - that we have been saying all along - so many ignorant South African farm boys are classified as "professional hunters".

I just wish they stick to shooting cattle like animals on the farms they are employed on - and leave the real hunting to honest and qualified professional hunters.

Amazing how those with the same level of ignorance are acting as booking agents for these idiots who haven't a clue what hunting is.

I've learnt something new today:
Black impala and Golden Wildebeest cost more to hunt than 4 of the majestic Big 5 in RSA!

Why, I see a huge new market in Tz following the ban on ele trophy imports and the inevitable ban on lion trophy imports: Impala and wildebeest breed like rabbits

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Everyone knows my opinion of other hunting forums.

I have always stated that the more open forums there are available for us to discuss hunting on the better.

Now of course we see the real low lives from South Africa are trying to lower Internet hunting forums to their level down in the gutter.

It will not happen.

I wish Jerome all the best in his efforts to promote hunting.

The best part of this thread has become very obvious - that we have been saying all along - so many ignorant South African farm boys are classified as "professional hunters".

I just wish they stick to shooting cattle like animals on the farms they are employed on - and leave the real hunting to honest and qualified professional hunters.

Amazing how those with the same level of ignorance are acting as booking agents for these idiots who haven't a clue what hunting is.

http://www.africahunting.com/c...als-hunts-worldwide/

leads to

http://www.africahunting.com/t...ll-your-hunts.21849/

leads to

http://huntingagent.com/

I will take the unregulated free for all of AR before being told what is real hunting on a booking agents web site.

Mike

SAAED THOSE ignorant farm boys are sending home 100s of happy clients that are not part of royal families and can not afford your real "hunt" your are reaching new lows on your own website my friend.....

quote:

Originally posted by Rphguy:

quote:

Originally posted by Limpopo Big Game Safaris:
We can play ping pong all day long Saeed....but you are just one of a kind.




But sure enough I have enjoyed all your

It just shows all of us here that the AFRICA HUNTING FORUM
is in a class of its own. For the real men, here is the link.

www.africahunting.com

Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris

O and Saeed I just wanted to take the time and thank you for
the hunts I sold in the past 3 DAYS. There is just nothing like
free publicity.

THANK YOU
Blessings to all.

AWESOME!!
LOL..... Are any of them "proper" hunts?

Can booking agents sell hunting services and hunts on Africanhunting.com ?

Damn answered it myself http://www.africahunting.com/t...-before-posting.802/

Sorry Mark Young, Wendell Reich, Arjun Reddy and all the other booking agents - you don't meet the standards of Africanhunting.com

Do outfitters have to pay to advertise their hunts on Africanhunting.com ?

This may give some of us "less than real men" who hang out on AR an idea of who sets the standards on Africanhunting.com

Plus this quality scumbag hangs around africanhunting.com

http://www.africahunting.com/t...g-package-rsa.18252/

Lets remember how bushwhack the scumbag was treated by the less than real men on AR.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...588/m/2481027181/p/1


Mike

Damn Mike, I had forgotten about that one. Good point.

The other forum is a for profit business . That is not the case on AR. A little research into the other forum and its proprietor would be interesting.

I will jump in the hot seat a bit. I think it totally unfair to paint all PH's from the RSA in a negative light. I can't see how anyone could think that is reasonable . Personally , I have hunted with some damn good ones. On the other , there are clearly some crooks and incompetents .

My good friend Mike just pointed out Bushwhack . The latest edition of the Hunting Report carries a story about another unscrupulous operator in the RSA. Anyone remember David van der Muelen, a very well known PH from the RSA who disappeared with a ton of client money? How about Aubrey Kent who used to post here ? Hell, he tried to scam me. I had a PH try to charge me $10k for dipping and packing. He does not know it but I was on a phone call with another PH and heard the guy explain what he did to me. What about the RSA operators in Zim? What about Out of Africa ? What about Gert Saimman? The list goes on and on.....

I have personally seen things In the RSA that I have problems with regarding the way that hunts were conducted . Bad things . On the other hand, I have been on some very sporting hunts in the RSA. For example , following a buff 18.5 miles all behind a high fence.

All hunts in the RSA are not challenging fair chase hunts. Similarly , all hunts in the RSA are not like shooting cattle. It is totally unfair to categorize all RSA hunts as being the same. That is ridiculous in my opinion .

It is unfair in my book to hammer ALL PH's in the RSA as incompetent . It is equally unfair to stand up for the ENTIRE industry . There ARE some bad guys .

Finally, I am a bit sympathetic to Andrew's message. Perhaps he was a bit harsh in the way it was communicated. That would not be the first time that has happened .

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Damn Mine, I had forgotten about that one. Good point.

The other forum is a for profit business . That is not the case on AR. A little research into the other forum and its proprietor would be interesting.

I will jump in the hot seat a bit. I think it totally unfair to paint all PH's from the RSA in a negative light. I can't see how anyone could think that is reasonable . Personally , I have hunted with some damn good ones. On the other , there are clearly some crooks and incompetents .

My good friend Mike just pointed out Bushwhack . The latest edition of the Hunting Report carries a story about another unscrupulous operator in the RSA. Anyone remember David van der Muelen, a very well known PH from the RSA who disappeared with a ton of client money? How about Aubrey Kent who used to post here ? Hell, he tried to scam me. I had a PH try to charge me $10k for dipping and packing. He does not know it but I was on a phone call with another PH and heard the guy explain what he did to me. What about the RSA operators in Zim? What about Out of Africa ? What about Gert Saimman? The list goes on and on.....

I have personally seen things In the RSA that I have problems with regarding the way that hunts were conducted . Bad things . On the other hand, I have been on some very sporting hunts in the RSA. For example , following a buff 18.5 miles all behind a high fence.

All hunts in the RSA are not challenging fair chase hunts. Similarly , all hunts in the RSA are not like shooting cattle. It is totally unfair to categorize all RSA hunts as being the same. That is ridiculous in my opinion .

It is unfair in my book to hammer ALL PH's in the RSA as incompetent . It is equally unfair to stand up for the ENTIRE industry . There ARE some bad guys .

Finally, I am a bit sympathetic to Andrew's message. Perhaps he was a bit harsh in the way it was communicated. That would not be the first time that has happened .

I agree with your post Larry. completely, as far as I know.

Except the last line.
First, It wasn't "perhaps." but the problem was not really the "harshness".
The second problem is that He was factually wrong.
Third, His whole intent was mean-spirited and childish.
Fourth, When it was proven that he was wrong, he offered no real apology. Like an arrogant jerk, he apologized for being superior.
Fifth, the whole thread was started to humiliate someone, but he and his cheerleaders are the ones who look foolish.

Is it that hard to simply say?.....
"I apologize in starting this thread. I was wrong. The reason I made this error..... (fill in the appropriate choice)
1. was because I was drunk again when I posted it.
2. was because I like to slam all SA PH's whenever possible.
3. was because I have a small willy and I sometimes overcompensate.

Any of those apologies, likely all, would be appropriate.

Think of the phrase "Lie by omission".

The original story referenced a buff hunt. The default for most hunters familiar with Africa would be that it was for 3 trophy bulls. People just automatically jump to those conclusions which make most sense in their world.

The analogy is telling a redneck that you won the drag race on the weekend, but leaving out that it was the dildo relay at the Gay Pride festival.

Zero to ASSumption/conclusion in one heart beat!

quote:

Originally posted by Rphguy:

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Damn Mine, I had forgotten about that one. Good point.

The other forum is a for profit business . That is not the case on AR. A little research into the other forum and its proprietor would be interesting.

I will jump in the hot seat a bit. I think it totally unfair to paint all PH's from the RSA in a negative light. I can't see how anyone could think that is reasonable . Personally , I have hunted with some damn good ones. On the other , there are clearly some crooks and incompetents .

My good friend Mike just pointed out Bushwhack . The latest edition of the Hunting Report carries a story about another unscrupulous operator in the RSA. Anyone remember David van der Muelen, a very well known PH from the RSA who disappeared with a ton of client money? How about Aubrey Kent who used to post here ? Hell, he tried to scam me. I had a PH try to charge me $10k for dipping and packing. He does not know it but I was on a phone call with another PH and heard the guy explain what he did to me. What about the RSA operators in Zim? What about Out of Africa ? What about Gert Saimman? The list goes on and on.....

I have personally seen things In the RSA that I have problems with regarding the way that hunts were conducted . Bad things . On the other hand, I have been on some very sporting hunts in the RSA. For example , following a buff 18.5 miles all behind a high fence.

All hunts in the RSA are not challenging fair chase hunts. Similarly , all hunts in the RSA are not like shooting cattle. It is totally unfair to categorize all RSA hunts as being the same. That is ridiculous in my opinion .

It is unfair in my book to hammer ALL PH's in the RSA as incompetent . It is equally unfair to stand up for the ENTIRE industry . There ARE some bad guys .

Finally, I am a bit sympathetic to Andrew's message. Perhaps he was a bit harsh in the way it was communicated. That would not be the first time that has happened .

I agree with your post Larry. completely, as far as I know.

Except the last line.
First, It wasn't "perhaps." but the problem was not really the "harshness".
The second problem is that He was factually wrong.
Third, His whole intent was mean-spirited and childish.
Fourth, When it was proven that he was wrong, he offered no real apology. Like an arrogant jerk, he apologized for being superior.
Fifth, the whole thread was started to humiliate someone, but he and his cheerleaders are the ones who look foolish.

Is it that hard to simply say?.....
"I apologize in starting this thread. I was wrong. The reason I made this error..... (fill in the appropriate choice)
1. was because I was drunk again when I posted it.
2. was because I like to slam all SA PH's whenever possible.
3. was because I have a small willy and I sometimes overcompensate.

Any of those apologies, likely all, would be appropriate.

Rolling in the gutter are we?

From a self professed preacher no less.

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Can booking agents sell hunting services and hunts on Africanhunting.com ?
Damn answered it myself http://www.africahunting.com/t...-before-posting.802/

Sorry Mark Young, Wendell Reich, Arjun Reddy and all the other booking agents - you don't meet the standards of Africanhunting.com

Do outfitters have to pay to advertise their hunts on Africanhunting.com ?

This may give some of us "less than real men" who hang out on AR an idea of who sets the standards on Africanhunting.com

Plus this quality scumbag hangs around africanhunting.com

http://www.africahunting.com/t...g-package-rsa.18252/

Lets remember how bushwhack the scumbag was treated by the less than real men on AR.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...588/m/2481027181/p/1


Mike

I would agree with you on some things Mike.

The booking agents thing being exclusive doesn't seem right, but it's not my site and it's not a big deal to me. I would rather book direct anyway. But, it's obviously a "pay to be the exclusive booking agent" kind of thing.

Yes, outfitters pay to advertise. BUT, an outfitter can post their first 3 threads concerning offers for free. This gives them a chance to see if it would be advantageous to become a sponsor without wasting any money. After 3 ads, then they must become a sponsor. I actually like this because the people making money pay for the costs of the website not me. As a "non-ph", I am not a payer, although many hunters are. Concerning the PH's and hunt advertisements, I look at AH as kind of a shopping mall. I think the PH's should pay for the site, not the hunters, since that is who is making money from the site. I don't think Jerome is independently wealthy, so I think this is the most proper way.

I agree with the thing about Bushwack. When I was researching for my first trip, I looked at his offerings on AH. Something didn't seem right to me. I saw some questionable things and scratched him off my list. Then, I read the thread on AR and that confirmed that I wouldn't want to hunt with his company. KUDOS TO AR on that!!! It's one reason that I peruse this forum also.

As to the "less than real men" comment, I would add something.
It's great to call people out when there is sufficient reason. But if you call someone out to humiliate them and act like a jerk and then find out you are wrong, then offer an apology. Not an "I'm sorry for being superior" apology, but an "I'm sorry. I goofed up" apology.

I look at both sites. Also 24hrCampfire and a forum for Savage rifle users.

Each site is different. each has it's own unique characters. each has its share of flamewars. I peruse each one to glean what I can from each one. But, I've read each enough to realize what I can, or should, believe and what is pretty much bullcrap or someone trying to sell something. That is true for each site, AH included, where I post the most.

I've hunted East Cape twice. I have aspirations of hunting elsewhere. It will likely be a few years from now. Likely in a different country. The decision of which country we choose to hunt in and with which outfitter will likely come from what I see and read on these 4 or 5 forums. Who knows, maybe Andrew will let me come along for a proper buff hunt or lion hunt. Time will tell.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Damn Mike, I had forgotten about that one. Good point.

The other forum is a for profit business . That is not the case on AR. A little research into the other forum and its proprietor would be interesting.

I will jump in the hot seat a bit. I think it totally unfair to paint all PH's from the RSA in a negative light. I can't see how anyone could think that is reasonable . Personally , I have hunted with some damn good ones. On the other , there are clearly some crooks and incompetents .

My good friend Mike just pointed out Bushwhack . The latest edition of the Hunting Report carries a story about another unscrupulous operator in the RSA. Anyone remember David van der Muelen, a very well known PH from the RSA who disappeared with a ton of client money? How about Aubrey Kent who used to post here ? Hell, he tried to scam me. I had a PH try to charge me $10k for dipping and packing. He does not know it but I was on a phone call with another PH and heard the guy explain what he did to me. What about the RSA operators in Zim? What about Out of Africa ? What about Gert Saimman? The list goes on and on.....

I have personally seen things In the RSA that I have problems with regarding the way that hunts were conducted . Bad things . On the other hand, I have been on some very sporting hunts in the RSA. For example , following a buff 18.5 miles all behind a high fence.

All hunts in the RSA are not challenging fair chase hunts. Similarly , all hunts in the RSA are not like shooting cattle. It is totally unfair to categorize all RSA hunts as being the same. That is ridiculous in my opinion .

It is unfair in my book to hammer ALL PH's in the RSA as incompetent . It is equally unfair to stand up for the ENTIRE industry . There ARE some bad guys .

Finally, I am a bit sympathetic to Andrew's message. Perhaps he was a bit harsh in the way it was communicated. That would not be the first time that has happened .

The main negative I see for Andrew was why was he hanging out at africahunting.com

He does not sell his hunts there. His type of hunting services are much better suited for AR than Africahunting.com

The more I look at Africanhunting.com the more it is a place for south african hunting experience. AR is not.

Every third ad is for canned lion hunting. Sold as anything but a canned lion hunt.

Africahunting.com business model is highly suspect.

http://www.africahunting.com/t...save-zimbabwe.22994/

The ads the owners of Africahunting.com sell don't have to meet the standards the website sets for other sponsor members selling hunts.

This is the kind of BS that we all face in this african hunting activity. We/clients hunters walk around in this slightly delusional state that we are living/engaging in this recreational activity where the guys on the other side are selling a service.

At least on AR you know Saeed is not in it to make a buck or sell a dvd. AR to him is like a hunt - a recreational activity.

Africahunting.com is a front for a booking agents marketing arm. Nothing wrong with that but the information you get there would be the same quality as going on a booking agents website. I want to see the first booking agent who comes and says the hunts he sells or sold are crappy.

Mike

Not sure how this thread turned into a review or criticism of AH. AH is a great forum with a lot of good people. If someone's making money some how, then that's fantastic as then it is sustainable. It definitely tilts to RSA and is an excellent source for first timers and dreamers who hope to someday make the journey that will change their life. That's a good thing.

It turn to the ah debate now because they need something else to trash to make themselves feel better. Just have to love the I dont hunt SA I only hunt zim or moz so I must be better then those guys. There is more info to help hunter plan trips on ah then get put on here. Yes maybe it is mostly about sa but who cares it is about hunting. I come here also as some very good guys post here. It is just like walking a mine field though as when the thread will blow up and be ruined by some.

A guy started a site and makes it a business that makes money to help run it. What is the world coming to if that is now a problem. Is it perfect hell no but it helps a lot guys plan there first trips to africa.

I know some of you are so much better then must of us. The way you follow around a ph and do as your told is way better then me I guess and doing it some place other then in SA for sure make you a way better hunter.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
From a self professed preacher no less.

Well thank GOD I am not the only one who was sitting here and thinking something is wrong with this picture. Pretty heavy handed in assessing others, but I guess that should't be a big surprise.

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Originally posted by WannabeBwana:
Think of the phrase "Lie by omission".

The original story referenced a buff hunt. The default for most hunters familiar with Africa would be that it was for 3 trophy bulls. People just automatically jump to those conclusions which make most sense in their world.

The analogy is telling a redneck that you won the drag race on the weekend, but leaving out that it was the dildo relay at the Gay Pride festival.

I don't understand. Wasn't this alleged deception accompanied by photographic evidence of the results of the hunt??

If they were trying to kid someone... who were they kidding exactly?

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Originally posted by bcap:
It turn to the ah debate now because they need something else to trash to make themselves feel better. Just have to love the I dont hunt SA I only hunt zim or moz so I must be better then those guys. There is more info to help hunter plan trips on ah then get put on here. Yes maybe it is mostly about sa but who cares it is about hunting. I come here also as some very good guys post here. It is just like walking a mine field though as when the thread will blow up and be ruined by some.

A guy started a site and makes it a business that makes money to help run it. What is the world coming to if that is now a problem. Is it perfect hell no but it helps a lot guys plan there first trips to africa.

I know some of you are so much better then must of us. The way you follow around a ph and do as your told is way better then me I guess and doing it some place other then in SA for sure make you a way better hunter.

Bullsh@t

We have been told by some south african phs that real men and hunters are on africahunter.com

I had been on that site less than 10 times before this thread. After checking it out in more detail it is a mix between marketing site and highly moderated version of a hunting forum.

As we are talking of standards by ar standards it is a marketing ploy hidden as a forum. The booking agent is same as the owner of the site who sells hunts with little information disclosed.

Who are they selling hunts in the Save for? Seems to follow the call me for more info business model.

Anything negative said about a sponsored member - a paying client for website - like bushwhack would get deleted. Hell mentioning ar would get deleted.

Perfectly fine business model africahunting.com has - everybody needs to earn a living. But i have as much right as a consumer of hunting services to question why i should trust anything on africahunting.com that would be negative to the booking agency that owns it or sponsored clients.

We come to ar because it does have a standard - not where you hunt or how much you spend or if mark sullivan is a good ph. The standard at ar is scumbags like bushwhack don't last long here. If you buying a hunt its a good place to get info that - at africahunting.com the info is biased by the banner ads, sponsor members and operator booking service.

Also this whole class thing of high dollar versus low dollars hunts is a joke. Hunting in africa is a discretionary activity regardless of what a booking agent or outfitter says - they are selling discretionary vacations.

No one is better causes they have shot the big five. They just have spent money that would have gone to 1000 different things to hunting. I just like the fact that there are highly experienced hunters/spenders here on ar who can give info on all the unsavory characters in the hunting business.

Mike

Nothing wrong with making a living. The issue is that when it is for profit , one simply has to be more skeptical. Is it true or is it a sales job? I do not fault the guy for finding a way to make a living. On top of that, when negative comments are made about paying customers get removed, one has to question the validity of the info posted as it relates to outfitters.

Mike you were not told by some South African Professional Hunter
that AH was for real men. It was me Bossie Mostert owner and founder
of Limpopo Big Game Safaris.

AH is for real men, men who admits to a mistake and apologize in a proper manner.

Kind Regards
Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris

quote:

Originally posted by Limpopo Big Game Safaris:
Mike you were not told by some South African Professional Hunter
that AH was for real men. It was me Bossie Mostert owner and founder
of Limpopo Big Game Safaris.

AH is for real men, men who admits to a mistake and apologize in a proper manner.

Kind Regards
Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris

So all the SA PH's and sycophants who have been hurling insults will now dutifully line up and and apologize here?

Jeff

Jeff....I can not speak for all, its not my place to do so. I have had a fair share of hidings in my life and where I was wrong I apologized and we all moved on.
This has been asked before and I will ask it again. Why can't Andrew admit he made mistake and apologize. I promis you if that happens this thread will end immediately.

Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris

And Jeff if you refer to me as one of the SA PH,s and sycophants.
I will be the first to set an example.

To all of you who feels I have offended you and thrown insults your way.
I apologized to you.

Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris
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