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There were 2 cows and 1 bull - all young animals. They are certainly not what one would refer to as culling candidates, especially on a farm where the farmer might want to groom the herd and be rid of the old, non-productive specimen instead. But being the owner, also has the freedom to do what he likes with his animals. | |||
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SAEED, this is my last post on this thanks for a great side, but I can not agree with you to some hunting a buffalo cow is normal... you your self shot on more than once A couple buff in just a few minutes so the time this was done in could not be the issue the fact that it was cows could not be the issue what was the issue??? once again I am shock that the first responders are not saying a word, you SAEED WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT did thank you for that! what got me was seasoned hunters calling those animals young bulls... and then it got blamed on the photos maybe next time before they attacked they should get there FACKS strait. Once again my only hope is that we as hunters UNITE! Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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FUJOTUPO, Just got of the phone with the ph that did that hunt, I don't know him just went on internet found his number and called... all 3 are cows according to him, he will post better photos. Once again that should not be the issue! and no rancher will allow 3 buffs to be shot with out his blessing, nobody knows the circumstances surrounding this hunt lets not judge so fast! Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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Wow - some of you South African hunting guides ( and lets be realistic here - that's the appropriate terminology for some of you ), really let that chip on your shoulders distort the facts. Go back to the start of this thread. Read it - ( for some of you it appears that may require the services of a translator ). Where does the original poster infer these animals were Bulls ??? So the diatribe some of you have launched against Fairgame is at best misguided, but more often downright vicious. I can accept that many of you have no more skin in the game than a title ( PH ), a ute , and contact with owners of largely fenced properties stocked with auction bought, farm bred, game. So your envy for those who hunt truly wild country that provides free roaming habitat for truly wild game is , in some way , understandable. Some of you infer these animals were selected as culls from appropriately managed free roaming herds - I submit this is utter rubbish. Why would any professional hunter allow paying clients to shoot young, breading stock cows ? Let's get real on this - these were not trophy hunts any more than they were meat hunts. However, in your country that's deemed O.K. and I for one am prepared to accept this if you're prepared to represent them in this way. But don't bother trying to pull the wool over the eyes of many on this site or gang up to slander a proper Professional Hunter who through his actions unstintingly demonstrates sustainable wildlife management and support of others who do likewise everyday. If the honesty of the opinions of many on this site are too much for your sensitivities then please feel free to leave and take your unethical self congratulation to any site that enjoys those same attributes. And for some of you - feel free to bash me up for the above words - after all - it's just my opinion and this is ( thankfully ) an open, unrestricted site. | |||
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Ridgeman Like all of us you are more than welcome to your opinion , I must say some of your comments are insulting but leave it at that, please tell me were did any guide insult Andrew?? the only time I did mention his name was with respect I could not find I single post were A South African guide insulted him maybe you the one that needs the translator... And regarding real hunting most of us hunt all over Africa including Zambia so that statement of yours I would not even bother to answer, and if you think there is no " REAL HUNTING " DONE IN RSA you should maybe come and try one day and then judge for your self, at this very moment I have A buff available in one of the APNR AREAS 120 000 ACCRES open WITH Kruger park THAT ADS ANOTHER COUPLE Million acres to it. Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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Phil, The first 2 pics are cows without a shadow of doubt; the 3rd however is an animal whose boss is typical of a young bull. The lumps at the centre parting and the ridge over the eyebrows are clearly visible. The thickness of the horns also suggest the animal to be a bull. | |||
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I have watched this thread devolve into a shit slinging fest. I will say this. I have hunted with Baldry and would do so again. Ridgeman is correct. At no time did he call these bulls. This in no way should be confused with hunting. Call it culling if you like but not hunting. Sure it's legal, so go have your fun, just call it what it is. Or better yet keep it off the internet. Do you you really think shooting baby animals does anything but play into anti-hunters hands? Baldry is entitled to his opinion. Jeff | |||
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Good afternoon gentleman, I regularly hunt these buffalo cows ( and bulls ) with clients on enclosed areas. The fact of the matter is that these cows are popular hunts for our local South-African hunters that can and probably never will be able to hunt a buffalo bull because of the high costs. The cow hunts are also in demand by foreign clients that cannot also afford a bull hunt. Lets be honest here, very few hunters ( I am not even mentioning South African hunters here ) can afford hunts on big open areas like Tanzania, Zim or even Zambia because of the high costs but it is still every hunters dream to maybe hunt buffalo, so if the opportunity arises he must not do it because if it is not hunted on these huge areas its not hunting.............. Some of the areas that I hunt on, especially the Hoedspruit area is in the grip of a terrible drought and on some farms a certain number of bulls and cows need to be taken off because off the drought. In all fairness, what must the land owners do with these buffalo if they cannot be hunted?? We hunt these buffalo cows on foot, the right way , and most times they give us a hard time to get a decent shot. And anyone that has hunted buffalo before will know that a wounded buffalo cow is just as dangerous as a bull. About a month ago a friend of mine was lucky to escape with a few bruises and cracked ribs while hunting these "tame" buffalo cows.......... If the hunter has a desire to hunt buffalo, and all is legal and he knows the circumstances surrounding the hunt I think that we must not criticize before we know the real facts. | |||
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Why isn't it hunting? So unless you shoot old mature males you are not hunting? Stick up for your PH if you want but don't shove that bullshit down our throats. | |||
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Hunting is what you make it. When tape measures come out soon the ego follows Hunting doe whitetail, mule deer or doe antelope....piss dont forget cow elk....gentlemen this is still hunting to us peasants What an f-n mess ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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I guess we all have different ideas of what hunting is. I read some of the PH's comments on AH , "highlights of the hunt Being taken on foot" is there any other way????? ( on the backie perhaps) and "after a whole day of relentless tracking" I just got back from the Zambezi valley in Zim. We hunted "on foot" Which is the only way!!!!! Oh and we tracked for 6 days before we had one opportunity!!! Like I say my idea of buff hunting is different to others. But one day's tracking in 10000 acres For a cow???? Cull or a shoot ok, but hunting? To each there own. If the hunters and PH's were happy with the outcome, then good luck to them. I just don't believe It conforms to many people's ideas of Hunting the mighty CApe BUffalo. Cheers Nick | |||
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If you shoot immature animals and post it on the internet and then don't do anything but give the animals to a sanctuary this is great anti-hunting propaganda. That is no bullshit. No one is shoving anything. Since when did it become so inappropriate to state an opinion? Oh never mind. We live in a politically correct world. Jeff | |||
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Nick, My above post exactly stated my point about the difference in peoples ability to hunt lets say buffalo. I am 100% sure that every single hunter would love the opportunity to be able to hunt the Zambezi Valley in Zim but it is not possible for everyone to be able to do it. Seen in that light if a hunter do get an opportunity should he not take it even if is only a cow that he can afford in South Africa?? | |||
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Having hunted a couple of these 'tame' cows in the Hoedspruit area, and hunting there at least 3 weeks a year over the last 7 years I am smiling a bit. Compared to the hunts I did in the Zambezi I found the Zambezi Valley easier to look over the herds and selecting a buff, but more time is spent finding the herds. Hoedspruit you spend your time entangled in blue thorn listening to buffalo running away 15 yards from you, more difficult to look over the herd and creating a shot opportunity. In Hoedspruit I spent a larger portion of the day on my feet than in the Zambezi Valley. A couple of posters here might use a couple of impressive swear words whilst entangled in the thorns, in the Lowveld heat trying to find buffalo cows that don't want to be found. As to the value of the hunts I treasure them as much as my experiences in the Zambezi Valley and it is by far the best value for money dangerous game hunt available on the planet. If anybody thinks that this a whack and stack them kind of hunt from the back of a Cruiser on the wide open plains with buffalo to choose from they might need some plasters and sunscreen. It is also a long shot to think that these are all breeding project buffalo, many of the farms in the Hoedspruit area has held naturally occuring buffalo as long as they have been settled. Which reminds me to contact Kallie404 to confirm a late dry season buffalo cow hunt I had started to organise. | |||
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Bwana Bunduki Please look at those photos again and if you then call 2 of those 3 immature you better have a closer look my friend... some cow buff even at old age shows hair and soft bosses I should know I just happen to own a few... Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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Kallie404, I have no problem with someone wanting this kind of "hunt" I understand that everyone's pockets are not all equal. These ranches cater to a specific requirement in the safari market. Out of curiosity, how much would this hunt cost. Is it comparable to a kudu or eland hunt behind wire? Cheers Nick | |||
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I guess if guys in SA are happy with it then so be it.... | |||
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Bwana Bunduki, Just stating the facts, YOU KEEP on calling them young immature witch is not the case and not TRUE!... And I have lots of clients from the US that will shoot a buff cow in a hard beat at the right price. Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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Now we go to the hunters and phs are wrong and helping the anti's by posting the pictures. I am sure the antis really look hard at pictures to judge trophy quality. They hate all hunting not just some ok so get a clue. The problem as the thread grows is some think they can tell everyone else what a trophy should be to them. You don't see us guys who may not have the funds to do some wild buff hunt telling those guys your crazy spending that or your this or that. WE normally say great job and looks like a fun hunt or maybe never say a word at all. But then those guys are the first to shit on some guys report who cant afford the hunts they do. But worse of all they don't see how taking cheap shots on any legal hunt is bad and how that is what really helps the anti's. There is with out a doubt different classes of hunters but we don't need to act like it and back each other no matter what. Hunting keeps animals around so male or female in SA or moz we should support all legal hunting if we want hunting around for are kids. | |||
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It doesn't matter whether it was a red squirrel with my pellet gun when I was 10 years old or a 170 inch whitetail with my bow. Every animal I have ever killed is a trophy to me. Now whether it was free range or behind a fence is an arguement for another day. They are all my trophies and they all count the same in my record book. | |||
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Just out of curiosity... How many of you naysayers actually hunted buffalo in SA? It might not be as easy as you think... And it certainly is a challenge in its own right. Yes, there are a few operators who would let you shoot CAPTIVE buffalo but this practice goes on throughout africa... If you know how to find it, I guarantee you SA can offer some of the finest free range buffalo hunting easily comparable to the Zambezi valley... So please don't write off our hunts as not hunting... There's a helluva lot of good honest outfitters and some of the finest professional hunters here. | |||
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Personally, I would neither hunt buffalo nor lion in South Africa. Planes game is fine, but I prefer to hunt buffalo somewhere else. | |||
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I have. It was behind a high fence. Followed the buff 18.5 miles. yes, it was sporting. | |||
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I've hunted the Zambezi and Luangwa Valleys and also RSA. I read the report early on and certainly would NEVER have posted anything negative. I was glad for those guys. We need as many first timers as we can get. Doesn't matter if the comments were directed at the outfitter or them, I'm sure they've seen this bullshit and I feel bad for that. As far as the anti hunters, LOL! there are hunt reports posted right here that get them way more into a frazzled, squalling fit than a 3 buff cow hunt. "If you are not working to protect hunting, then you are working to destroy it". Fred Bear | |||
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I've also hunted buff in the Luangwa, the Zambezi, the Selous, and in the APNR in RSA. I'd hunt in the APNR again in a heartbeat if I wanted a high scoring trophy. Personally, I've done that, but can get what I want from buff hunting elsewhere for less money. People who want to shoot buffalo behind a fence, fine. Not for me, but do it if you like. I've hunted other game behind the fence and some places (like Erindi, in Namibia) have been no different (in my opinion) than no fence at all. Others have been somewhat less than sporting. I enjoyed it all regardless. For buff, no thank you. You want to shoot cows? Also fine with me even if not something I'd do. This incredibly long thread is really just all about whether someone portrayed a hunt for cows as a trophy hunt. And whether someone else who suggested it was wrong to do so now owes someone else an apology. Personally, I don't care. But it's been an interesting read. And a great example of hunters taking shots at each other instead of circling our wagons. People brag about their hunts and make them out to be more than they really were all the time. Big deal. | |||
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A friend and I was just discussing this long winded thread when a great point came up Tuskless Elephant "shoots" or "meat hunt" or "hunt" New thread please ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Uh oh.. Ted you've got em cornered now.  | |||
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Funny you mention this. When we were kids, we shot all sorts of birds and small animals to eat - we ate everything we shot. But, we never called these "hunts". We always used the word "shoot". The word "hunting" was reserved for when we went out in the desert for the sole purpose of actually hunting. | |||
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This is without a doubt, the silliest thread ever on this forum! I posted this short video on the Tuskless thread. Sums it up 100%! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5JvchsfnmQ | |||
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Yep....a damn mess for sure ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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exactly. Just what one would expect when someone claims something that is not true! | |||
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I still don't see what the OP claimed that wasn't true. He and his clients hunted 3 buffalo. He also is upfront about the size of the property that the hunt took place in. Which doesn't seem very large and not the size of a place that I would feel comfortable in. But each to his own | |||
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well stop doing it then. | |||
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I HAVE A hard time understanding some of the comments on here... Can someone please explain to me what that guy did wrong and what he said that was not the truth?? Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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Many hunters get the uncontrollable urge to HUNT IN AFRICA. Once that urge hits there is only one solution that is go to Africa. You search the internet; you talk to other hunters. You might discover Accurate Reloading - a treasure trove of Africa hunting and valuable info. On AR you read of hunters getting the big 5 and you say "that's for me". You admire their hunt reports and read about the recommended rifles and ammo. But for many of us the reality of economics sets in. Hunting in the premier big 5 countries is not possible. You settle for a plains game hunt in South Africa and you have a blast - you have fulfilled that hunt in Africa need. BUT " I want to hunt a cape buff". So you research the internet and start comparing prices. Below is a very brief comparison of buff hunt costs (per internet ads on July 3, 2015) Outfitter #1 Sth Africa 5 day bull $13,000 Sth Africa 5 day cow $ 4,500 Outfitter #2 Sth Africa 5 day bull $13,450 Sth Africa 5 day cow $ 5,490 Outfitter #3 Zimbabwe 5 day bull $ 6,850 7 day bull $11,999 Now many hunters and PH's ON AR have said a cow hunt is almost just as exciting as hunting a bull. You have confidence in your PH in that it will not be a put & take hunt. The economics rule and you go for the cow. AND LIKE THE THREE GUYS AND THE PH THAT THIS THREAD IS BASED YOU COME AWAY SATISFIED. | |||
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stop beating your head against a wall mate. Silly thread... A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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I will, when I don't see some of your South African so called PHs calling a buffalo "hunt" when it is a shoot to get rid of unwanted cows by the farmer who owns them. | |||
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Matt you are correct!! it really does not make sense, I guy post a report on another website tells it exactly like it was and then gets taken apart on AR...and then he gets called "A SO CALLED PH" cheers I am done here have a great weekend!! Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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go well A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Wow, talk about much ado about nothing . . . sheesh. Who do I sue to get back the value of the last ten wasted minutes of my life reading this thread? I fail to see that anything was mischaracterized or misrepresented. Mike | |||
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