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Well, - certain people on AR are rather selective & hypcritical, as to who should be honestly held accountable for their actions and who should not. - they are also selective & hypocritical as to how they judge certain people. EG: People have rashly jumped to all sorts of wrong conclusions and condemnations about this threads 'Buffalo hunt' -yet- When Tim Herald clearly shot his PH through inept-careless-wreckless gun handling, his blinkered defenders when into gross denial and pathetic childlike excuse making for him. and the same idiots then attacked Stu Taylor based on a totally false accusation. = 'dumb & dumber' Q../ Why is it some people will stubbornly ignore the cold hard proven facts on some issues, but then those same people will gladly begin a flow of rants or objections based on pure speculation and/or false rumour concerning another issue? When it comes hunting, people here say you should be responsible/respect/follow the game laws of the land, When it comes to a celebrity hunter who shoots his PH and you quote the law regarding such actions, people say you are anti-hunting or on a witch-hunt. conclusion = certain people only like referring to the LAW when it suites them. Wake-Up Call: Laws are in place to keep you responsible for your actions. The definition of your actions according to the law are what really count. _ Such definitions don't change just because you have a blatantly distorted perception simply because you like or dislike someone. Keep in mind: Lying to oneself and the forum is not defending or protecting the future of hunting.
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However unwittingly, it would seem the original intent of bringing shame and humiliation has been accomplished. I think what has really been reviled is our particular tint to the window of the world. We can do better. | |||
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I think the humiliators are humiliated now more than the humiliatee. | |||
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Well actually I think both sides did a pretty good job of overstating their case and the real truth of the matter is somewhere in the middle. There is truth to both positions, but neither is completely in the right. Andrew started the thread and took the initial posts by the buffalo outfitter and friends one way. I think he was right to an extent, because people who hunt Africa and hunt buffalo take wording about a "buffalo hunt" to mean going on a hunt for a bull. The other side is using the actual wording at face value as if nothing else was implied or suggested or meant to be construed by others a certain way. Myself, well it just looked like some posts meant to act as marketing for hunters by an operator and apparently some of his employees. In any event, I see no clear winner on this. I do see a lot of people who really stretched things and pontificated to the extreme, and as far as I am concerned it just tarnished their cases. The internet is such a grand thing. Judge, jury and executioner in seconds. Posters are so quick to take sides, pass judgement and toss the rope over a low hanging branch. Brings out the finest in people. ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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Glad you took the high road and decided not to be judgmental.  Mike | |||
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Glad you had a good laugh Mike. If there was an emoticon to give you the finger I would use it......... but alas.  ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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If none of us is being judgemental, we would have no discussions at all  | |||
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Agreed. Apparently Skyline does not appreciate the irony of calling everyone out for being opinionated and judgmental when that is precisely what he is being. It is always the other fellow that is the problem isn't it.  Mike | |||
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Well in that case I guess no one could have a view of things. Laugh all you want, that is the way I see it and in the end, who really gives a shit. It is the internet and AR. You of all people should know that Mike. Your a lawyer. Your paid to have an opinion.  No that isn't quite right either. Ah, who cares.Have a good night gentlemen. ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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it took 6 pages before someone else besides me used the word "gentlemen". maybe my work is finally done on this thread.  | |||
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Excuse my sudden absence from this thread and I am just back from hunting. I will repeat my sentiments. The AH post was a boast about hunting buffalo and I read it as a buffalo hunt and hence my comment about keeping a standard. What now transpires it is little more than random shooting of meat for some neighbouring cats. If this was stated as a cull I would not have bothered to comment. However then now to counter claim that these are old barren cows is silly. And I will apologise - for my buffalo hunting is obviously privileged and this sort of stuff is completely alien to me. To those who think my thread was rough have said so and that is their opinion. In my posts I simply point out what goes against my grain and am not really bothered whose feathers I ruffle. Same around my camp fire. Lets be honest which is a good trait in a man. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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I don't know guys, I've posted this video before but here it is again. Was it a hunt or a cull? You tell me. But more importantly, why does it matter. It was a great day afield chasing buffalo!! This was in Zim but I've also hunted buffalo, both bull and cow, behind the fence in RSA. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Notice in this video how the herd somewhat tolerates us as we walk up and get on the sticks? RSA buff will ABSOLUTELY NOT allow you to do that. One sight, wiff, sound, and they are off to the races with nothing but dust and a pungent cattle smell as evidence of them being in the same county! I still say trying to claim the guys from AH were doing anything other than relaying a fun day afield in pursuit of buffalo is picking fly shit out of pepper! I've been fortunate enough to experience many different methods of hunting, often for the same species. I enjoy just about all of it. Again, was this a cull or a hunt? We did have a specific cow we wanted to take out of the herd, so does that make it a cull? If we had intended to take out a specific bull from a herd, would that have made it something other than a cull? BTW, we had no guarantee this particular cow we were after was actually in THIS herd until we spotted her in it, although we did set out to find this one particular old cow from discussions the night before around the campfire. Is that any different than the PHs telling a hunter about a 44" old bull they had seen lately and setting out to find it? Fly shit in Pepper boys! Meanwhile, the antis are kicking our asses lately! Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GN3PhH6UxI | |||
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Todd Summed it about just about perfect. Keep fighting. The antis could care less about your standards. They want ALL hunting stopped. Stick together or one day it will be the type of hunting you care about that's chipped away and gone. | |||
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Make all the bloody excuses you wish. Andrew was absolutely right, as some people do have different standards than others. Calling a weekend meat hunt as a proper buffalo hunt is not going to cut it. Not today, or any other day! | |||
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A "weekend meat hunt" is a proper hunt. | |||
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Yet, somehow, jumping out of the back of a cruiser to "clobber all 3 of them" is when you see a herd on the way to camp in TZ? | |||
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The next thing you know, Saeed will be telling us about his "standard" of letting the buff choose how it is to die!!! | |||
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If you are in the field with a gun or bow or spear or whatever your implement of choice maybe, and you intent/purpose is to kill or capture something, you are Hunting. As has been pointed out by many people in these type discussions, the Anti's do not care, they want it ALL stopped. We, as a group have a choice, we can stop with the sniping/back biting/character assassinations, and as long as what the individual is doing is LEGAL and they are comfortable doing it, THAT is ALL that should matter to any of us or we can go on making the lines of division claiming that our way of Hunting is the only REAL manner or method and see fewer and fewer people post reports or pictures on here and other sites. As a Group we share an interest in hunting, which is a good thing. As a group of Individuals we all view hunting and how it fits into our individual life differently. Hunting and how any person chooses to do it, As long As IT is Legal, should be all that matters to any of us. Somehow I really do not have much faith in that ever being that way. There will always be pious/self righteous individuals that believe that the way they do something is the ONLY real and proper methods anything else is unacceptable. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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First, I saw no one bragging about the buffalo hunt. I saw someone sharing their hunt. Second, I saw no misrepresentation of the hunt. Probably, Adrian assumed sober PH's and hunters could immediately tell the difference between a cow and a bull. Third, I saw a few people who couldn't tell a bull from a cow make stupid remarks, on top of the ones you already made. Fourth, You, personally, made a mean-spirited thread on a different forum to try to humiliate a fellow hunter/PH, but in the end you came off looking foolish, mean-spirited, elitist, and ungentlemanly. Fifth, I don't think your post was rough. I think you were ignorant, mean, and foolish. Sixth, "a good trait in a man" is to not shoot off your mouth when you are not only wrong, but wrong-headed. | |||
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It was not a meat hunt! If it was a meat/biltong hunt the hunters would have kept the meat.. Surely someone with as much experience as you would know this! Let's see if I can explain it in a way you will understand... The landowner had a property of 5000ha.... I'm sure he must be knowing the rough estimate of buffalo he has and how many he needs to be shot out. As a conservation tool... It is necessary to get rid of females and males.... This happens everywhere in the world. Now he sets a quota... And it is common knowledge that overseas clients prefer to shoot bulls so he's left with the cows which he sells at a much reduced price to the local hunters so that they may enjoy the thrill of buffalo hunting. In essence it is a very challenging hunt as it is not very easy to pick up a 'dry' cow amongst the herd and it can be very sporting as well as exciting.... So please don't knock some guys down for doing what they love! It is a hunt that just does not conform to your standards! And Saeed... I'm sure there are many members here who find your style of a bit questionable... Shooting a buffalo at 200 yards is in no way sporting at all! I'm sure with the high standards you set yourself.... Could you not pass the shot and try again? What about clobbering three buffalo as Todd pointed out? And having viewed some of your photos.... Some of the buffalo you have shot are seriously borderline of being mature. Please as hunters we need to stick together... We are fighting a losing battle... So for two or three guys to shit on someone for not hunting their way just shows poor form. | |||
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If you chaps justify that as a hunt then that is fine and keep it to yourselves. Persistently shooting into a herd in an enclosed area is sporting is it? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Maybe instead of some of us chaps keeping are hunts to ourselves you could just stop making stupid comments on other people hunt report. Not sure were some of you think you get the right to judge other hunters. I think if some of you would have got a proper ass beating by your dads growing up maybe you would not be such ass clowns over somethings. Stop reading more in to the post and there is no problems. You do more for the anti hunters by your dumb comments then if you just wrote them a check to help fight hunters. | |||
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OK this is getting silly. We up here are bound by a code of conduct and it does not include the killing of females and the young. Different country and different standards. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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So now all hunt reports in SA can't be posted? Is that what you are saying? | |||
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Calm down boy and if you sift with the RSA reports on this site you will notice that I am one of the few PHs north of your border that will bother to post a congratulation. I suggest you put the Brandy bottle down and go and read your kids a story. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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That one word/term has done more damage to hunters/hunting than any other. Definition of the word/term Sport: 1. An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment. "team sports such as baseball and soccer" synonyms: (competitive) game(s), physical recreation, physical activity, physical exercise A "Sport" is Not an activity where one of the participants is killed. Hunt/hunting is the proper term. 1. Pursue and kill (a wild animal) for sport or food. "in the autumn they hunted deer" synonyms: chase, stalk, pursue, course, run down; To hunt, or going hunting is an activity where the intention of the Hunter is to kill something. I have not noticed anywhere that anyone has been asked to partake in the activity such as these folks did. If a person chooses to be a purist/idealist, that is their decision just like it is the personal decision of someone to go on a hunt like this. If it is legal what real difference does it make to anyone? The anti's want ALL hunting stopped and they are not going to make an exception for someone dressed in a loin cloth using a spear. | |||
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You always look at the glass half empty and not half full. Zambia has reinstated hunting and given a small quota of cats. This is a good thing. I am extending my project by 50,000 hectares in a pristine wilderness. We are going forward not backwards. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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I disagree and the 6 pages of this "Discussion" is the perfect example of my point. As long as HUNTERS can not agree on what is or is NOT hunting because of their own personal preferences/prejudices, we are not moving forward. The discussion has nothing to do with projects to restore animals or habitat. It has to do solely with the Individual Interpretation of the activity and how each Individual chooses to undertake/participate in the activity. How many discussions/  matches have taken place on AR concerning shooting game at a waterhole/from or near a vehicle/over a bait and the list goes on and on.All I am pointing out is that as a group, our main concern should be focused on the Legality of the method. How many on here would or have hunted Lion/Leopard from a blind over looking a bait? How many on here would want to hunt Kudu or other hoof stock in a similar manner? Point is some folks seem to believe that the way they think/feel or believe about hunting, is the only proper way. No, I have no experience in Africa, but I see the same attitudes here in America. People in Texas are used to hunting/shooting deer from a stand over looking a feeder, it is a perfectly legal/accepted method. Hunters from other parts of the country actually view Texans as NOT being hunters. That is the problem I am trying to point out. If the individual is doing something that is legal and they are comfortable with, what gives any of the rest of us the right to resort to character assassinations/name calling, simply because those individuals view hunting differently than someone else. | |||
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The silly part started with you posting this thread in the first place. It was in poor taste and just childish to do what you did. You went on another website (without your tracker helping you look at the buffaloes in question) and saw a hunt report and made a stupid assumption and in a mean-spirited way came on AR and posted a thread simply to try to humiliate someone. I would suggest that from now on you have your tracker look at the threads you peruse and identify the animals in the pictures and tell you what they are so you won't make a fool of yourself. I generally feel sorry for people like you that have to take a piss on other people to make themselves feel superior. Most are just covering up some inadequacy they have always tried to overcompensate for. Maybe being ugly, maybe being a little on the slow side, maybe having a small willie. They seem to take shots at other people and enjoy belittling someone else. Many men try this approach of ridiculing another man so they will look like the bigger man. In the end, though, it just makes themselves even smaller. | |||
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The silly part was an individual posted about him guiding weekend hunters - who can decide on the spot what buffalo to shoot - and call it a buffalo hunt. Believe whatever you wish, but this sort of silly pretensions is not doing you lot in South Africa any favours. Get your act together, and call it what it is. Nothing wrong with that at all. But if some of you will continue your our childish and silly behavior, don't expect some of us to be quiet. What a very sad and terrible reputation you are giving to the South African hunting community. Call it what it is, and we all support you. Lie about and we will speak up. And if you don't like that, you are on the wrong forum. Andrew was absolutely right in bringing this up - as evidenced by some of the individuals who jumped on him. | |||
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I suggest you go have sex with yourself. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Fairgame, Andrew, you are seen as one of the more well knowing and all around good guys on here, AND you have earned that reputation!!! However my friend do with this what you want ... But NAME CALLING AND TELLING SOMEONE TO GO AND HAVE S.X with him self is not YOU! calm down my friend and Saeed will not agree with me but I think this thing could have being handled DIFFRENTLEY I will bet you a bottle of Scotland's finest when all these guys on here get together around a fire there will be none of this AND ALL WILL GET ALONG. My 2 cents worth, I THINK THERE should be apologies all around from everybody. Hunters unite! Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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So be honest next time you write a hunt report about whacking three questionably mature buffalo from a herd or one from over 200yrds... Please don't refer to it as hunting. | |||
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I was being polite mate. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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classy. Maybe I was being "a little rough". I understand, though, that being a little rough defines what a real man is. BTW, what are you overcompensating for? | |||
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I hunt buffalo the way I get it, and could not care less what you or anyone else think. I have shot buffalo from a few yards, and I have shot buffalo at over 300 yards. And I have never made it out to be anything else. The biggest buffalo I have ever shot is 49 inches - with a broken horn. And it was one of the easiest hunts I have ever had. We were on the way to a leopard blind, when we saw him and another one while driving. We jumped out of the truck, and shot both. We drove to the leopard blind, and the truck went back to recover the buffalo. That is how it happened, and that is how I reported it right from the beginning. I have also followed a particular bull for days, and never managed to get a shot at him for several days. That is what I call hunting. Take it as it comes. Unlike some of the so called "hunts" offered in South Africa, where a an individual comes with his shopping list, and a farmer provides him with it. This is precisely what happened in this particular case - but of course some of you never want it to be known. Andrew exposed those who have no business conducting real hunts. They should stay with weekend meat collectors! Some of you lot will never understand stating facts. I suppose telling the truth is also foreign to some of you. | |||
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SAEED SO when you go on a hunt you don't have a list of animals you want to hunt?? last time I check you need licences to shoot anything in Tanzania? is that not called As hopping list as well??? am sorry but your statements on here is becoming insulting to me AS A South African I know this is your website you are more than welcome to delete my profile if you wish to do so! BUT I AM SICK OF ALL THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT MY COUNTRY. Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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Sorry guys there is a couple of spelling mistakes in my last post! happens when you do something on these bloody touch screens! Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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