I will bet you are right Drummond.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I will bet you are right Drummond.

I see Gypsy is online right now, come on Larry, you know your looking at this thread. I doubt your hear to advertise hunts in the "offered hunts" forum. Got some names for me?

and the smell of blood in the water
is getting stronger....

If I ever have the good fortune of being able to book a desert big horn hunt I now know who I will be booking with!

Come on, Larry and Jeff, get together and do the right thing!

There are two other lawsuits filed against Sheep LTD. The plaintiffs are :
William Osuchowski
Robert L Peterson

There is various civil litigation and at least one criminal case in which Mr Heathington is the defendant personally. One is a divorce. One is a criminal matter. These cover a period of years.

The AZ courts are a huge pain in the backside. I can't get copies on line. I have to submit a written request. This takes time and has been done.

There is a case log for each with brief descriptions. In spite of what Mr Heathington said herein, it appears that none of these cases were dismissed for"lack of activity". It appears that there was a default judgment in each case. This basically means that the defendant didn't respond . Accordingly, it appears that the not only lied about the status of the cases but he also lied about his lawyers advice. The judgment has been entered. I seriously doubt he has been seeking advice of counsel when he has defaulted in all three cases. That would make no sense.

I tend to think if all the injured parties got together, a case could be made for serious criminal activity.

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:

quote:

Originally posted by Gypsy:

Jeff Blair recieved $70,000 dollars from Henrikson not I, he forwarded the unused portion of the balance to me to pay the Mexican Landowners their fair share which was accomplished!!

Larry,

Please PM me the info on the landowners so I can contact them directly instaed of trying to follow paper trails in Mexico over the phone. I have friends down there assisting me now but its not easy.

If you actually paid these people I cannot see how you arent making the information available to anybody thats offering assistance so you can clear your name.

My guess, based on what I've found so far, is that you NEVER paid anybody in Mexico

If Larry will provide the landowner names in Mexico, Drummond would be able to confirm it in about 24-48 hrs. Trust me, Drummond has good connections south of the border. Regardless, Drum is likely gonna sniff it out anyway.

Two things remain fact IMO. Jeff Blair owes the Henricksen's every dollar he accepted as commission/up charge. No excuses! Maybe a payment plan is needed, etc. But he owes them that money back. Do the honorable thing!

I will guarantee you Larry Heathington NEVER paid a dollar of this money to anyone in Mexico. Not for Mr. Henricksen's hunt, and not from all the other guys he took money from either. No way, never happened. Drum will be able to provide more of the info we have talked about in the past 24 hrs, a little later. He's just shoring up the facts.

My theory, if it matters. Larry somehow got in some money trouble, and owed a bunch to someone? Perhaps landowners in Mexico, from previous tags he used, and had yet paid for, etc. TRUST ME, I SAW THIS VERY SAME THING HAPPEN TO ANOTHER OUTFITTER IN MEXICO, IN 2005. Larry then concocted a scheme, robbing Peter, to pay Paul, and created a fake illness to help garner sympathy for his cause. Knowing all-along he never could or would, honor the hunts. Did he legitimately get beat up, maybe so. Maybe a message from someone he owed the money to, in particular a Mexican landowner or two. I would be willing to bet, since the beginning of his "plan", he's not stepped one foot in Mexico? Fact is, Drum hears he owes money to the landowners still to this day, but Drum can elaborate on that further.

Look folks, as a long-time agent/outfitter and guide. I gotta be honest, most of the time I side with the agent/outfitter, just because I know there's two sides to the story, and I can tell you honestly. I have had WAY more clients pull scams and schemes on me, not pay me, etc, than I EVER had outfitters leave me or the clients holding the bag. But this situation just really gets me. There's no question, this was a set-up from the beginning, I am 100% convinced of that. Mainly because I know a bit about how the game works, and I know how it works in Mexico. Been there, done that!

Larry planned this from the beginning, stole their money to cover other debts, and Jeff Blair has refused to return his portion of the money. Even though, he knows this family got screwed.

Agents and outfitters like myself, have a difficult time as it is convincing the public we are honorable business people. Accidents happen, problems arise, you name it, I've seen it when it comes to hunting/outfitting/guiding, etc. But this is simply a plan to steal money, and those responsible have refused to accept any responsibility. period! The entire hunting community needs to come together, to get rid of them both. Period, end of story!! JMO, and sorry for the rant!

What I don't understand is why someone who is supposedly on the way out due to end stage liver disease wants to die with everyone hating him. You can't take money with you.

I personally question his story. I had someone scam me once in New Zealand. He was suddenly terminally ill with guess what? Liver problems.

If we ever learn the real story, I will bet it is something like Aaron mentioned or alcohol , drugs or gambling or a combination of them.

I remember your story well from the NZ Hunt and Fish forum, Larry. It's a shame there appear to be a fair number of scumbags in the hunting industry.

I agree sir. At least I succeed in wrecking Nunnick's life for his transgressions.

You know he committed suicide this year.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

In short, your story is as full of holes as your liver.

That's a corker. Shamelessly stolen!

Carry on, you're hot today Gato!

I am still working on gathering the facts. I'll post them as soon as I get them.

Since Heathington has posted a lot of the attention is being directed at him. Let's not forget Blair World Wide and the role that they play in this thing

I think we should all email a link to this thread to everybody in our address books. I have already done this but I will not think it's successful until I receive an email from somebody else. This needs to go VIRAL!

One can link this thread to their facebook page too. Just copy and paste:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...043/m/3471078051/p/1

To your wall and it will create the short cut for you.

AAron,

IMO. It's called a Ponzi scheme. Take money from new investors to repay previous investors who want their cash back. In the interim, he kept all the money and spent it. No different than Bernie Madoff. Just a smaller scale. Larry just didn't have a very well thought out exit strategy. BWW is just like the wall street banks. Happy to take all the fees while sending people to someone they suspect is crooked but able to wash their hands of the matter when the house of cards falls.

Ski

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
One can link this thread to their facebook page too. Just copy and paste:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...043/m/3471078051/p/1

To your wall and it will create the short cut for you.

Good idea Ann!! Done!! I suggest everyone else with a Facebook do the same.....

Testing my new signature

+1

I would like to publicly thank OutdoorWriter for his post on MonsterMuleys.com.

Thanks Tony.

Do you have a link to the post?

http://www.monstermuleys.info/...CForumID5/17589.html

I think we should cross-post everywhere.

I think Tony also posted on the 24 hour site.

Blair & Heathington have been awfully quiet. I would love to know what they are thinking.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I think Tony also posted on the 24 hour site.

Blair & Heathington have been awfully quiet. I would love to know what they are thinking.

I can tell ya what they're thinking. F**K, this was really a bad idea!

Just want to let you guys know I am still working on this. I hope to have more information later today.

Also posted on bowsite

http://mobile.bowsite.com/foru...&messages=1&forum=36

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Originally posted by nomrcy:
Also posted on bowsite

http://mobile.bowsite.com/foru...&messages=1&forum=36

Looks like Larry and Jeff have some friends there. The topic's been closed already.

I see that. Wow. I don't know why you wouldn't want the public to be informed about this. The tuttulik fiasco is still rearing it's ugly face on Bowsite almost weekly.

what was the gist of the story?

I have posted a link on a texas fourm that has lots of members and 2 other fourm I am waiting for permission. Will get this topic viral yet.

Posted on www.2coolfishing.com.

Although a Texas fishing site it does have a section for hunting that has a pretty good following.

The more info out there the better.

RIP BWW

quote:

Originally posted by The Slug:

quote:

Originally posted by nomrcy:
Also posted on bowsite

http://mobile.bowsite.com/foru...&messages=1&forum=36

Looks like Larry and Jeff have some friends there. The topic's been closed already.

Well, looks like we finally found someone to take Blair and Heathington's side in this theft. That makes 3 in total and tells me someone on Bowsite is not someone I'd want to be hunting with.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

quote:

Originally posted by The Slug:

quote:

Originally posted by nomrcy:
Also posted on bowsite

http://mobile.bowsite.com/foru...&messages=1&forum=36

Looks like Larry and Jeff have some friends there. The topic's been closed already.

Well, looks like we finally found someone to take Blair and Heathington's side in this theft. That makes 3 in total and tells me someone on Bowsite is not someone I'd want to be hunting with.

This thread explains all one needs to know about bowsite and its owner.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=372100535#372100535

Just put a call into FNAWS office in Wyoming. They are very well aware of the firestorm caused by Mr. Larry Heathington.

They also know of two other sheep hunters scammed by LH. They were not aware of Jeff Blair's culpability. They are now. One of the stated goals is to protect fellow hunters from unscrupulous operators.

The person I spoke to was amazed to hear Mr. Blair did not refund any money. As far as they are concerned, Mr Blair took the money, Mr. Blair is responsible to provide the service. We will see how this plays out for Mr. Blair's future.

And a story was told to them by a nurse, who happens to be Mr. Heathingtons girlfriend. That yarn was that LH is terminal with pancreatic cancer. Really, Larry? Shameless and pathetic to prey on people's sympathy to mask your own thievery.

I also reached out to another hunting resource, Mr. Dennis Anderson SCI President in 2007. He and I live i the same locale and shared a camp a few years back. Although he is currently out of the country, we will discuss LH and JB. I am waiting to hear what support and advice he can offer the Henriksen's.

I believe those three hunters were deliberately targeted by LH. Arizona appears a law and order state. Can anybody find out if criminal conspiracy charges are warranted?

Our hunting fraternity is way too small and fragile to have these chuckle heads steal from a few of us, and make things harder for the rest of us. I do not want to let this go until LH is either dead or destitute, and JB run out of this industry.

Thank you

....and the noose tightens.....Good for you Mr. Bold.....too bad we can't throw a certain non-paying no good thieving SOB Utahan into the mix as well, but Blair and LH certainly deserve whatever they get. Their actions, at the very least LH's action, are without doubt criminal if anyone would prosecute.

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Be advised we will not tolerate abuse, The I.P. address used to complete this form is logged and can be tracked to user location.

Looks like perhaps Jeff has been receiving some forms from hunters who dissaproive of his business practices and/or handling of this matter...

http://www.blairworldwide.com/huntinginfo.htm

I can only imagine what his email inbox must look like these days. Which by the way per the unsolicited emails is:

hunting@blairworldwidehunting.com

quote:

Originally posted by Bill C:
Be advised we will not tolerate abuse, The I.P. address used to complete this form is logged and can be tracked to user location.

What are they gonna do to abusers, sell them a hunt that never occurs??

quote:

Originally posted by jcarr:
Be advised we will not tolerate abuse, The I.P. address used to complete this form is logged and can be tracked to user location.

I guess Jeff Blair and company can't understand that if you screw a sportsman out of $70,000 other sportsmen will make their voices heard. He's a sorry son of a bitch

Hey Heathington and Blair! Looks like we all have reason to hope...

http://kjrh.m0bl.net/w/main/story/22856943/

I hope you guys get the opportunity to open the door and look into the eyes of a LEO that's about to slap the cuffs on y'all

Next week it will be three years that I joined AR.

I never remember another thread where every member was in total agreement. (I am not counting Blair and Heathington as members)

Blair/Heathington,

Do the right thing and return all of the money.

The guy who owns and runs the Bowsite is a jerk off through and through. Hunts canned Lion and Buffalo, supports questionable outfitters and much more. So it doesn't surprise me as he most likely has something to do with Blair Worldwide in some way?

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

quote:

Originally posted by nomrcy:
I see that. Wow. I don't know why you wouldn't want the public to be informed about this. The tuttulik fiasco is still rearing it's ugly face on Bowsite almost weekly.