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Originally posted by John Oliva:

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Originally posted by Gypsy:
Lhook7:

Everyone gets an opinion and you are entitled to yours, it doesn't make it valid or right but the 2nd amendment gives you that right.

I was asked (by Blair) to set the record straight so that is what I did in a logical cronological order and expounded on the Robbery in 2009 since it seems to be at the root of part of the discussion. I have resigned myself to my fate and I never have said I had Liver Cancer ever another author is responcible for that miss statement..

Jeff Blair recieved $70,000 dollars from Henrikson not I, he forwarded the unused portion of the balance to me to pay the Mexican Landowners their fair share which was accomplished!!

2nd amendment?

After reading this whole post there are quite a few people that would like to exercise their 2nd Ammendment rights over this ordeal

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Originally posted by nomrcy:
After reading this whole post there are quite a few people that would like to exercise their 2nd Ammendment rights over this ordeal

Guilty as charged! I'm going to go back and edit my post so it does not pull this topic off topic.

Larry, since you and Jeff cant seem to agree on a story there is only one choice. First is that the offended parties go after both of you since neither of you can seem to tell the truth. Second, somone look into applying a RICO statute to this. It would certainly apply. Multiple parties defrauded, crossing state and international lines.. etc. Third, make sure no one with access to a computer or hunting organization does business with any of you again. It would be nice to hear who the Mexican landowners were. I would be very interested in hearing their version of this. Last perhaps we should pitch in the $500.00 to have SCI open an ethics investigation on you all. If you are really terminal I doubt you give a damn about any of this as you will more than likely be deceased before any jail time could come to pass. Jeff might not feel that way though and at least want you to buy him some soap on a rope. Since you two chuckleheads will not quit pointing fingers at each other and man up you should both be held equally liable.

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
LARRY HEATHINGTON: What a bunch of BULLSHIT! We both know you as the "outfitter", were buying the tags from the landowners for xx price, then charging YY price, just as most every outfitter does, and guiding the hunts. And yes, I've hunted, GUIDED, and booked hunts in Mexico, including sheep hunts. I know exactly how it works. You were NOT working for the landowner!! My lord, are you kidding me? That's the best story you can come up with?

Secondly, either you are a liar, an idiot, or think the rest of us are. NOBODY in the business, sends the money to landowner, especially a landowner in Mexico, and then has the landowner SEND BACK your cut??? Every agent/middle man always takes his cut, then forwards the remainder onto the landowner/outfitter, etc. Otherwise, why not just have Blair wire the money directly to Mexico. I wire money all over the world, including Mexico, pretty easy.

We actually met once about 15 yrs ago at FNAWS. The only reason I remember you, is you were the loudest, most obnoxious, person around.

How about Blair returns his commission, plus the up-charge, and you return the B.S. $5k you received? Why has none of that happened??

Agreed!

Hey Blair and Heathington,
Since the tag is paid for in Mexico just let me know where it is so I can contact them and I'll guide the damn thing for free! Tags paid for right? Shouldn't be any issues

Please PM me the landowners info, over the years I've worked with quite a few of them and if I don't know them I'll just contact one of my close personal friends that will know them. I know he'll know them because if the landowners were issued a tag he's the one that handled it.

Just need the names, I'll take it from there

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
LARRY HEATHINGTON: What a bunch of BULLSHIT! We both know you as the "outfitter", were buying the tags from the landowners for xx price, then charging YY price, just as most every outfitter does, and guiding the hunts. And yes, I've hunted, GUIDED, and booked hunts in Mexico, including sheep hunts. I know exactly how it works. You were NOT working for the landowner!! My lord, are you kidding me? That's the best story you can come up with?

Secondly, either you are a liar, an idiot, or think the rest of us are. NOBODY in the business, sends the money to landowner, especially a landowner in Mexico, and then has the landowner SEND BACK your cut??? Every agent/middle man always takes his cut, then forwards the remainder onto the landowner/outfitter, etc. Otherwise, why not just have Blair wire the money directly to Mexico. I wire money all over the world, including Mexico, pretty easy.

We actually met once about 15 yrs ago at FNAWS. The only reason I remember you, is you were the loudest, most obnoxious, person around.

How about Blair returns his commission, plus the up-charge, and you return the B.S. $5k you received? Why has none of that happened??

Agreed!

Hey Blair and Heathington,
Since the tag is paid for in Mexico just let me know where it is so I can contact them and I'll guide the damn thing for free! Tags paid for right? Shouldn't be any issues

Please PM me the landowners info, over the years I've worked with quite a few of them and if I don't know them I'll just contact one of my close personal friends that will know them. I know he'll know them because if the landowners were issued a tag he's the one that handled it.

Just need the names, I'll take it from there

Well, this is a true optimist for you.

But it is a fine offer anyway Drummond.

Very standup Drummond.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
Yeah, he should probably have paid more and gotten the famous Doug Chester, Esq.

Damn, Gato beat me to it.

Now carry on with AR's very own Blair Witch Burning at the Stake Project, please. I never tire of watching a thief and scumbag writhing in the flames. Burn baby, BURN!

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
LARRY HEATHINGTON: What a bunch of BULLSHIT! We both know you as the "outfitter", were buying the tags from the landowners for xx price, then charging YY price, just as most every outfitter does, and guiding the hunts. And yes, I've hunted, GUIDED, and booked hunts in Mexico, including sheep hunts. I know exactly how it works. You were NOT working for the landowner!! My lord, are you kidding me? That's the best story you can come up with?

Secondly, either you are a liar, an idiot, or think the rest of us are. NOBODY in the business, sends the money to landowner, especially a landowner in Mexico, and then has the landowner SEND BACK your cut??? Every agent/middle man always takes his cut, then forwards the remainder onto the landowner/outfitter, etc. Otherwise, why not just have Blair wire the money directly to Mexico. I wire money all over the world, including Mexico, pretty easy.

We actually met once about 15 yrs ago at FNAWS. The only reason I remember you, is you were the loudest, most obnoxious, person around.

How about Blair returns his commission, plus the up-charge, and you return the B.S. $5k you received? Why has none of that happened??

Agreed!

Hey Blair and Heathington,
Since the tag is paid for in Mexico just let me know where it is so I can contact them and I'll guide the damn thing for free! Tags paid for right? Shouldn't be any issues

Please PM me the landowners info, over the years I've worked with quite a few of them and if I don't know them I'll just contact one of my close personal friends that will know them. I know he'll know them because if the landowners were issued a tag he's the one that handled it.

Just need the names, I'll take it from there

Well, this is a true optimist for you.

But it is a fine offer anyway Drummond.

Drummond has guided and hunted in Mexico many times, he knows the ropes! The story is total BS, but as Drum mentions, just give the info, he'll take it from there.

Tell ya what "Gypsy", I'll pitch in too! Get the tag/landowner info, Drummond and I can handle the rest. We've both guided together many times, and we both have all the connections necessary in Sonora. Ball's in your court???

I have seen several references to Doug Chester, Esq in different threads. What is the story? I apparently missed it.

Right now, I'll bet two people have their azzholes puckering!

But it is a fine offer anyway Drummond.[/QUOTE]
Tell ya what "Gypsy"...Ball's in your court???[/QUOTE]

Major problem is that Gypsy has no "balls"!!

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Originally posted by DoubleDon:
But it is a fine offer anyway Drummond.

Tell ya what "Gypsy"...Ball's in your court???[/QUOTE]

Major problem is that Gypsy has no "balls"!! [/QUOTE]

Drummond and Aaron-
you are indeed Gentlemen of the highest measure

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Drummond has guided and hunted in Mexico many times, he knows the ropes! The story is total BS, but as Drum mentions, just give the info, he'll take it from there.

Tell ya what "Gypsy", I'll pitch in too! Get the tag/landowner info, Drummond and I can handle the rest. We've both guided together many times, and we both have all the connections necessary in Sonora. Ball's in your court???

I've always wondered what it sounds like. That split second as the rope snaps tight around a crooks neck.

That's the thing about liars. They talk themselves right into the rope.

You know, there is a lot of criticism of "trial by internet," but it is interesting to see what happens when a bunch of different folks read contentious stories and then respond with questions, challenges, offers, etc. It may not be what the founding fathers envisioned as justice, but it is interesting how each of us looks at one's posts and can pick apart the inconsistencies.

Like another famous thread, there sure are a lot of them here...

I am not sure Jeff Blair really had any idea sites like this even existed when he told Henrickson to "Bring it On."

Is he bringing it on yet, Jeff?

PS - the internet is also an effective way to spread the word if you decide to change your name.

So if Drummond and Aaron (BTW- you two are a class act) can do this hunt for these people why couldn't Blair?

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So if Drummond and Aaron (BTW- you two are a class act) can do this hunt for these people why couldn't Blair?

......because he is the OTHER lying sack of excrement in this sad tale.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
So if Drummond and Aaron (BTW- you two are a class act) can do this hunt for these people why couldn't Blair?

Ann - He could, if he knew how?

Fact is, Larry's story is TOTAL BS, trust me on that. Ask Drum, he too will tell you the same. Likely he was buying the tag/tags from the landowner, just like a hunting lease. Paying roughly $40k plus for each sheep tag, roughly $3500 - $5500 per deer tag, and then "outfitting" the hunts. This BS about working for the landowner, and the landowner's guys guiding the hunts, is so redicilous, I can't even explain on how many levels, that is BS.

Drummond and I could easily guide the hunt, that's not remotely the problem here. Larry/Blair's attempt at deception, is the problem. If Larry can get the tag, Drummond can confirm its legit, and confirm the CITES export paperwork with his guy in Sonora. I can have a vehicle waiting for us in Hermosillo, and if the ranch is decent, we could get him a 155" - 165" B&C desert ram. All depending on the ranch of course.

Aaron and Drummond,

Without a doubt, you two are gentlemen and sportsman. Thank you.

But the problem is, those two clowns Blair and Heathington have conspired to steal the Henriksen's hard earned money. The fact that it was a gift from the young men to thank their father is all the more reprehensible. There is not, nor was there ever, a sheep tag.

And I would be willing to bet that "Gypsy" is a shill working for Blair. Hey Saeed, how about running down the ISPs and verify that, please?

Sometimes people want justice, other times mercy. The fact that that scum Blair is in no way apologetic, I say justice. How does repaying the family and then get run out of business sound as justice?

Anybody know any good blogs that have google's attention?

A few thousand posts can go a long way.

So many variables with this situation. If Heathington did in fact pay the landowners and get the paperwork processed there might be a chance. He mentions here that he did it...

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Originally posted by Gypsy:
I worked for the Mexican Landowners who paid me a straight $5000.00 per client finders fee to find the clients, get their paperwork( Gun Permits ,Photo's for the Cities, Accompaning each client to Mexico as their non hunting companion and evaluating Sheep for the Guide Teams). the Mexican's get the difference. I got my normal finders fee. All monies from Blair were paid to me and were then given to the Mexican's thru Bank Drafts, Transferrs, or they were picked up by the Landowners.

He then would have had to get that paperwork done for the fall of 2010 which is when he says they were going to "reschedule"

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Originally posted by Gypsy:
I was under the assumption that Mr Heinrikson was going to reschedle in the fall of 2010.

If all of this happened then theres a shot! I will try to find out tomorrow if the paperwork was ever filled out in the first place. If it was filled out then a very dear friend of mine is the person that would have processed this. He will be able to find out which ranch and by knowing this we will be able to contact the landowners and ask them to honor the hunt they have already been paid for.

The last thing we would need to do would be to get an extension on the tag before March 20 to be able to hunt this year.

Here is my guess, the hunt was probably never paid for and Heathington and Blair think its easier to blame it on a Mexican than own up to this robbery. Its not difficult to find somebody to help you out when your in need. Heathington tried to make himself out to be some sort of "Sheep God" in his first post yet cannot find one of his disciples to cover for him on a desert sheep hunt in Mexico? BULLSHIT!

Regardless, I'll be in contact with the proper people tomorrow and we'll see what happens. fingers crossed

Aaron and Drummond,

You two are outstanding.

I just did a search on the Arizona Corporation Commission website and I don't see any corporation or LLC listed under Blair Worldwide Hunting, Jeff Blair, or Worldwide Hunting. Nothing.

I then went to the Sec of State db to search for Blair Worldwide Hunting. Nothing.

I am not sure if BWW is a DBA name, but it isn't registered with the ACC or Sec State's office. Weird...

Could Blair be dumb enough to run his business as a sole proprietorship, thus not providing any shield between him and his business?

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Originally posted by Jack D Bold:
There is not, nor was there ever, a sheep tag.

ding ding ding, we have a winner

This is my guess as well!

Well this is not looking good!

I decided not to wait and called my friend in Mexico tonight. He did not do the paperwork for Henrickson when he was booked with Larry Heathington but he did process his paperwork this year when he went down and hunted with another outfitter. He told me that he does not do 100% of the CITES permits but will give me the number of the guy that worked with Heathington tomorrow.

I was then informed that this is not an isolated incident and that there were more people that were screwed in this deal.

Word on the street is that Heathington never paid anybody in Mexico but I need to do some more digging before thats confirmed. I am talking with him tomorrow morning when he is back in his office

My money is on the obvious - Gypsy never paid anyone in Mexico and used the money for whatever was really happening.

This is incredibly sad story that will most likely have no winner. Kristi's words about being disheartened concerning hunting is most unfortunate.

It's going to get exciting on Monday. Nice Job Drmmond and Aaron.

Did I mention RICO already? Anyone friends with the atty gerneral?

Great job exposing this crook!

Nice job indeed.

I have some information that at least one other sheep hunter and a few deer hunters were screwed by Blair/Heathington. That can certainly be established via depositions, and it may likely head that way.

Mr. Blair, you ever been involved in depositions? Would you like to?

It may be best if you were to make your clients happy and refund just what they are asking. These lawsuits can take a life of there own.

And it can be shown you knew of Heathington's theft of past clients, before you accepted the $35,000. Wouldn't want to be in your shoes.......

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Originally posted by Mike Smith:
Did I mention RICO already? Anyone friends with the atty gerneral?

I know the Maricopa County Attorney; he is a fellow West Point Grad. I will see if I can get some advice from him.

Note to self: Do not do ANYTHING to piss off Aaron or Drummond.

Blair and Heathington might want to hope they've got some good friends down in Mexico as they might be needing a place to hide out.

Waiting impatiently to watch the next episode of this drama play out. Was there a purchased tag and permit???? It seems from what I can read here and what Drummond and Aaron are saying....if the tags were purchased and everything ready and it was a health issue that was the problem.....looks to me like this bunch of outfitters would have been willing to help find a guide if this guy had any friends in the business at all. The world I live in we help out our neighbors and co-workers when they need help. Oh wait.....NO TAGS....then there would be the problem.

I had mentioned in an earlier post that my friend Ron Kreider had a desert sheep hunt booked directly with Heathington that never happened. I told Ron about this thread and he asked me to post this note. Doug



Here is my story.

Larry Heathington called me with a Desert Sheep cancellation hunt and I sent him a check for $25k in Feb. 2009. A letter was sent from Sheep LTD to me in
Dec.2009 notifying me that the balance of $25k was due and I made another check out to Larry Heathington for the remaining $25k which was mailed and subsequently deposited on January 14th, 2010. At this point I tried to contact Larry and his office, but no one would return my call. Twelve hours before we were scheduled to fly to Hermosillo on Jan.23,2010 we called the police in Larry's home town and they got in touch with Bobbi (Larry's
secretary) and she said that Larry was sick and that we absolutely should not fly. (remember..the last $25k was just deposited 9 days before this) I know for a fact that I am not the only one that was paid in full and never received a hunt...or a phone call.

Sorry that you are sick Larry but please call me on my cell phone sometime at 717-575-2207. Thanks, Ron Kreider

Damn, what a thief! I guess the only two real questions remaining are: is Heathington, the lying POS actually dying and where is the money?

PS: Blair is still a lying POS too.

Larry you are a piece of work!!!!

Blair - man you guys have no backbone!!!

These two fools should be brought to book, i think its about time that hunters set up a non profit fund to bring these AND other fools to book! ill start by donating $100 USD.

Aaron and Drummondlindsey - good on you!

i hope that the Henriksen family are able to recover their hard earned money and hopefully book a hunt once again and enjoy the outdoors.

I will bet these aren't the only incidents. There are several lawsuits filed against Sheep LTD and or Lawrence L Heathington. I was going to get them but I have unfortunately got bronchitis. It has delayed me. I am going to get them all.

count me in for $100 as well ... these 2 clowns have got to be the dumbest SOB's on the planet ...

Drummond / Aaron, I'd book with either of you in a heartbeat, great work .

Best Regards,
Craig Nolan

We do not own any property in Lake Havasu or any place in Arizona. There was NEVER any discussion for rescheduling this hunt with Heathington for 2010. I did not shoot a Desert Sheep in 2010 with anyone. If I would have would that make all of this acceptable? Our regrets to Ron Kreider for his 50k loss.

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Originally posted by Craig Nolan:
count me in for $100 as well ... these 2 clowns have got to be the dumbest SOB's on the planet ...

Drummond / Aaron, I'd book with either of you in a heartbeat, great work .

Couldn't agree more.....count me in for $100.

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Originally posted by Gypsy:

Jeff Blair recieved $70,000 dollars from Henrikson not I, he forwarded the unused portion of the balance to me to pay the Mexican Landowners their fair share which was accomplished!!

Larry,

Please PM me the info on the landowners so I can contact them directly instaed of trying to follow paper trails in Mexico over the phone. I have friends down there assisting me now but its not easy.

If you actually paid these people I cannot see how you arent making the information available to anybody thats offering assistance so you can clear your name.

My guess, based on what I've found so far, is that you NEVER paid anybody in Mexico