Hey all you old HA members(Reloader member since 99) - check out how Mr Ken Howell is being treated on the Reloading fourm. I thought it was the last reasonable place on HA - guess i was wrong. 'bout time to find a new home. I thought Duh quota was Swamp(ldmm) but I'm about to decide even Swampie is smarter than this.
Re: SWAMP , I need to talk to you [re: JDK] 02/01/04 03:42 PM Edit Reply
In my free time I make knives.
Who knows, perhaps one day I might place an ad on this or other hunting forums.
Now if I did place an ad, I would expect that the view that my knife is "the best darn hunting knife in the world", would be seen in the posts.
If I saw people posting that my knives fell apart, then I would start to get that point of view banned from the site. If there were people that felt deeply that my knives were 2nd rate and they would not stop saying that even after I had warned them many times, then I would get them people banned permanently as a warning to others.
This is just good business, as who knows the intentions of some posters?
The guys posting against my blades might actually be making their own knives and just want mine to look bad.
Well they have every right to make knives, and to think mine are junk, but I have every right to make sure that point of view does not show up on a message forum I support.
This is how the market works, this is why we get banner ads on forums to help pay for stuff on the net. This is how the Internet gets so many different message forums. Don't like the way you were treated on this or that website? Go start your own
blue, trying to make a point with this fellow is like being in a gun fight with an unarmed man. He is nothing more than a "kiss ass swamp dangler" Read the other post over there and you get a very honest feeling for how the membership really feels about the site and the LDMM Even better, check out how the server donation is just screamin towards the 1200 goal
Posts: 1605 | Location: Wa. State | Registered: 19 November 2001
Cold Bore, it was posted by Da'Qo tah or something like that. Spose to be some type of knife maker or something. The funny part is with all his swinging on swampy, I don't see him stepping up with a donation or becoming a paid advertiser
Posts: 1605 | Location: Wa. State | Registered: 19 November 2001
Blue, your kickin ass over there, damn I think your startin to get a fan club. Very interesting that swampy hasn't got the "balls" to show up and speak his peace or should I say cut n paste or link his thought's. Maybe he can talk BillMc into defending him Won't be long before you get hit with the ban button, you are starting to press the issue.
Posts: 1605 | Location: Wa. State | Registered: 19 November 2001
there is only one more question that I want to ask over there, and then I will leave it alone. that question is this.
If Swamp has the right to ban people for speaking the truth in his forums, then do people in the forums have a right to independently contact the advertizers on the forum and specifically advise them that they will not patronize them as long as they advertize on a site that has censorship of the truth. For example, may I call Dakota Rifles and tell them that I would like to order a rifle from them but I will not do so because they are advertizing on HA.
blue, I am sure without "Any" doubt that Dakota has been called over swampy's rantings. Yes, your question is right on target. I would suggest you stick around over there as I love watching DaQotah make an utter fool of himself. besides, it appears you are getting some help from a few of the membership, at least the ones that have their own balls
I am betting that if you make that post, that you will become a member of the elite club over here
Posts: 1605 | Location: Wa. State | Registered: 19 November 2001
Boy oh boy that DaQo'tah is sure making a fool of himself isn't he.
Not only does his logic make no sense but he is going on about something that is not even the issue.
DaQo'tah, read my lips, nobody has said Swamp doesn't have the right to ban anyone he chooses. He has done so and gone againest his on often stated rules in doing so. Again his right. We have the right to say how we feel about it, that is what we are doing. Is that simple enough for you?
Posts: 2341 | Location: Moses Lake WA | Registered: 17 October 2000
Hey Jimmy I think Blue got his wish and is getting a debate with ol Swamp. I will bet a case of Alaskan Amber that DaQo'tah is Swamp. The logic, rather the lack of it, is just to similar for me to think otherwise.
Posts: 2341 | Location: Moses Lake WA | Registered: 17 October 2000
Quote: I especially like the comment, "if it where my site everyone would support my banner *advertisers) guys.
I've seen DaQota's posts before, and they are always rambling with skewed logic. The guy is just strange. I thought about telling him what I think, but why teach a pig to sing? I doubt that it is Swamp-gas under that name, Swamp-gas doesn't like to type, and Daqota hasn't pasted anything yet I sure wouldn't have anything to do with any forum he ran, and I would be willing to bet that he will be a moderator soon after this fine display of loyalty.
At least Swamp-gas is keeping a low profile these days, better late than never, right?
Posts: 281 | Location: Utah | Registered: 24 April 2002
Having spent a week in a tent with Howard I can attest that not only does he have the farts from hell but he talks in his sleep and has fantasies of a 3 way with Hillary and Janet Reno.
jfk, My boat is only an 18 foot bowrider. Plenty of room for you, me, and the beer. The rest of the guys I'll pull in a tube.
Jeff
Posts: 784 | Location: Michigan | Registered: 18 December 2000
I have a real hard time believing anything you say. For one, your credibility as a custom knife maker is completely shot by your own posts in the knife forum on HA. There is no custom knife maker worth his salt that sharpens their blades with stones or, Heaven forbid, a Chef's Choice. They all use the belt sanders that they use in the manufacture of the knives. They don't use stones and not one of them would be caught dead with a Chef's Choice within a hundred yards of them.
If you want to enter into any debate with me or any of the other members on this forum, you better be ready to back up your statements with facts. Ready to dance?
I am the one that brought your words here, and I am not taking them off.
Just as the owner of a site has all of the rights you mention (except the right to commit fraud and other commercial crimes)so do posters take risks. One of the risks you took when you posted your words was that they would be copied, and discussed, and analyzed.
When you first arrived here there was great excitement. Another person to go after. But that excitement has now died down and your words are getting stale.
Worse yet, your arguments fail in logic. The proof you most often offer is only the assertion you make in the first place.
Your arugumets also contain fallacies of irrelevance. You continue to attempt to prove something which has not been denied or you attack things that have not been asserted. It seems as though you have not yet learned that one does not prove ones own point just by disproving an opponent's point.
I have met many people like you. I think you are a very sad and lonely person. You try to overcome by overcompensating for your infirmities. Any success at all becomes ammunition to try more. But it backfires, because the more you try, the more obnoxious you get, the more people ignore you, and the more lonely and pathetic you become. It is a viscious circle.
You know what I am going to do for you Dakota. I am going to help you out by keeping you out there in the world making a fool of yourself. I am going to take your words to a dozen other sites. You will have to go to all of the sites to look for them. And you will be so darn busy on all of those other sites that you won't know what to do with yourself. Start looking!!!!
I find it amusing (and usseless information) that in your first post you offer the reason of "here at AR you get opinions and information from real people" as basis for thinking this is the greatest place for information. However, when someone does offer an opinion other than the consensis, they are met with a barrage of insults.
After reading the complete thread I have to ask....
Does the fact that you can get information here really make it that great of a site or does it make it a great site because you have the freedom to do and say whatever you want?
Aaahhh, another Swamp defender. Good to see you PH.
Isn't it nice to come over here & defend somebody, but when you try it on HA, you get deleted & banned, so that you no longer can offer defense?
Go get some more of Swamp's crew to come on over. It'll be fun! Both sides can lay it out, with no "favoritism" being afforded by the owner/moderators.
Quote: Aaahhh, another Swamp defender. Good to see you PH.
Isn't it nice to come over here & defend somebody, but when you try it on HA, you get deleted & banned, so that you no longer can offer defense?
Go get some more of Swamp's crew to come on over. It'll be fun! Both sides can lay it out, with no "favoritism" being afforded by the owner/moderators.
PH, another HA ex-pat moderator. I haven't seen him post there in a dog's age. How ya been, PH?
On a side note this Qatoh character is working a nerve ........
Since you have read the whole post, you would have seen that when I started in this thing I took some pretty hard knocks from these fellows, but I hung in there, and now find them to be very nice and very funny people who really do love guns. I think that is the first criteria. You have to love guns, and if you do you make it a great site. If you don't, then you don't add to the site.
Secondly, what is a forum. It is a place for the exchange of ideas. If there is censorship how can the forum be any good? Especially is the censorship is to hide the truth.
Now, I am not one that goes a lot for putting down brand names or equipment or stuff like that without some sort of objective evidence. I have taken a few people here to task for bashing things without laying out the evidence. but most of the time you will find out that once the person here is reminded to lay out their objective evidence they can lay it out from EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE that is far greater than anything you find over there on HA.
I find it amusing (and usseless information) that in your first post you offer the reason of "here at AR you get opinions and information from real people" as basis for thinking this is the greatest place for information. However, when someone does offer an opinion other than the consensis, they are met with a barrage of insults.
After reading the complete thread I have to ask....
Does the fact that you can get information here really make it that great of a site or does it make it a great site because you have the freedom to do and say whatever you want?
Hi ya Parrothead, how you been?
1) Opinions and information from real people, yes that is what I meant. Specifically I am comparing opinions from people who have been there and done that to ad copy. 2) Please point out where a differing opinion has been met with a barrage of insults. 3) It is both, great because of the info available and because we have the freedom to question the source and methods of the information given.
Any other questions?
Posts: 2341 | Location: Moses Lake WA | Registered: 17 October 2000
I figured he would become a KING. The last King I remember aggitated a bit much for comfort. He's got a ready made puppet here waiting for him to pull on the strings!!
Posts: 845 | Location: Central Washington State | Registered: 12 February 2001
Idared, yup, the King ruled for a bit but if you notice there are still a few dancin bears roamin around that site in his honor and I will just bet that grabs swampys ass!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posts: 1605 | Location: Wa. State | Registered: 19 November 2001
Well, I posted my last post on the subject over there at HA.
Here it is.
Re: SWAMP , I need to talk to you [re: DaQo'tah] 02/02/04 02:43 PM Edit Reply
Daqota
I have news for you my friend. If I buy one of your knives and I think its a piece of crap, I have the right to tell anyone I want that it is a piece of crap. If a forum owner tells me that I don't have the right to tell everyone on that forum that your knife is a piece of crap, then in my opinion that forum owner is a censor of the truth, so long as I can post objective evidence of why I am saying what I am saying.
The forum owner may not let me post my findings. But that sure as the hell doesn't stop me from going anywhere else I want and attempting to tell my story.
And most important of all, it doesn't prevent me from calling up advertizers on the forum and telling them that I was going to purchase one of their products but now will not do so because they are advertizing on a forum that censors the truth.
So yes, the forum owner has rights. No doubt about it. But the forum participants have rights too. They can complain to the advertizers of the forum about what is going on at the forum, and tell those same advertizers that they will not support them as long as they are supporting a crooked forum.
That leads me back to what I was saying to you before, that you totally ignored. And that is this. Would you want to be an advertizer on a forum where nobody frequented because the forum was censored? If you would, guess what, I believe that to be your right, so please advertize.
As for your argument that free speech is absolute. Please go yell "fire" in a crowded theater and see what happens to you.
Quote: Well, I posted my last post on the subject over there at HA.
Here it is.
Re: SWAMP , I need to talk to you [re: DaQo'tah] 02/02/04 02:43 PM Edit Reply
...And most important of all, it doesn't prevent me from calling up advertizers on the forum and telling them that I was going to purchase one of their products but now will not do so because they are advertizing on a forum that censors the truth.
...But the forum participants have rights too. They can complain to the advertizers of the forum about what is going on at the forum, and tell those same advertizers that they will not support them as long as they are supporting a crooked forum.
Blue-
I'm impressed! I take back "most" of what I said about you.
But those lines right there buddy are gonna do you in. Old Swamp sees that, & he'll be deleting before any of his crowd starts getting ideas. (Although it's now been put out over here, and I don't *think* Swamp controls the delete button over here any longer... ).
Keep it up, and you'll be part of our little group of outcasts...
Yes, he sure can talk with a keyboard, but mostly to himself me thinks. It's interesting how he has gotten the ire of a few more folks over there up. I really hate to admit I am watching Marshall's forum that much, but this is too good to miss.
I fear I was mistaken when I said he would become a King. He really should become a JOKER.
Posts: 845 | Location: Central Washington State | Registered: 12 February 2001
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