I just want to get caught up on my work, watch the super bowl, go fishing, and Keep Busting ol LDMM's balls.

I wonder if I've been the only one tempted to sign in as "Swamp" and.....

Blue, if I said Hitler was Limp Dick Mental Midget, would you scold me for speaking ill of the dead? I got the boot for asking why Howard got the boot. It hasn't occupied my mind much lately as I don't miss it, but I find it odd you defend this particular person as agressively as you do. He's a idiot plain and simple. If people don't like reading these things they should practice a little self control and simply pass to a different thread.

Dempsy

I am done here. I defend nobody and I have tried to explain that over and over. All I wanted to do was keep people from calling other people revolting names on this public forum. I am not Swamp's lawyer. I don't even know Swamp. But I do know quite a few of the facts of the case.
As you can see, I invited him to come over and hash it out. So far he has not done so. NO matter. People are starting to get tired of this tirade, and so am I, for at times it appears to me as though I am talking to a wall.

One last time, for whatever it is worth, I am not sticking up for what Swamp did to anyone. Rather, I am sticking up for his right as a human being to not be Libeled in a public forum.

KJK

Cunninglus and viEbberator quit you crying and whining. What the heck do you care anyway. Are you not smart enough to simply ignore this thread?

Blue nice try but the LDMM is simply not worth the effort. He is such a loser he simply takes his ball and runs home to mommy. He hasn't even the decency to answer you. And yes he has seen your post.

Actully I am sure he is just screwing you out of that steak dinner.

The fact is the Limp Dicked Mental Midget doesn't have the balls to come over here.He's not the boss here and won't be in control, he would be meeting us (the misfits)on Equal Terms. Thats just not the way he likes to play the game

Blue, now don't go running off, we are equal to everyone, it was just your turn in the barrel and you should feel good that you haven't been called a troll.
I think I will give swamp a phone call and invite him over here

How are you doing Jimmy?

Dang, y'all sure waste alot of time and emotion posting about something you don't like.

By the way, I like most all of the sites. Since I don't know many of the poster face to face, I read every post as an opinion and then double check.

I have learned alot from both places. It's just sad that some folks like to spit in the floor.

Y'all come see us when you can, you hear.

Cold Bore

As Bob Lovelace likes to say, "Pardon me all to hell".

I mispoke. Generally speaking a "fact" is not a fact until it is found to be a fact by a factfinder (e.g. Judge, Referee, or Jury) and therefore, you are correct, I do not have all of the facts. Rather, I have some research on the site in question, as well as testimonial evidence from people I consider to be credible witnesses.

That is what I was talking about earlier in this thread. In my experience, credible witnesses tend to be people who are calm and cool and quiet in the knowledge that they are testifying correctly. Then there are those witnesses who spew out loads of irrelevant harangue in the midst of concurrently blaming everyone else for their troubles. Generally speaking, that testimony doesn't get very far because the other side objects and the judge sustains the objection.

Please do not misunderstand me. I am not accusing anyone here of misstating evidence. All of the evidence isn't in, and of course we have no NEUTRAL factfinder. But I will say that some of the testimony here leaves me a bit suspicious based upon my experience with witnesses.

Nevertheless, as I have previously posted, in the absence of my role as a mediator between you guys and swamp, my only concern remains that of basic human dignity, in that nobody deserves to be vilified in a public forum.

KJK

Blue, anyone tells you the round of banning - to which we are referring - went down for any reason other then differences of opinion is a LIAR!

All the other stuff; name calling, poking fun, etc is simply are way of expressing our feeling for such chickenshit actions and having fun in the process.

BillMc, glad to see ya still reading our rants about your leader.
I see the server donation is still active I would have made a donation but I can't log on

Have a great day

I can't beleive I waded through all those posts. I guess the long winded drama threads can sometimes be entertaining in a perverted kind of way.

On topic, this is the best forum, and I don't know of any others at the same level.

To the ensuing fracus, well, here are a couple of thoughts. To Blue, you stepped into the middle of a peeing match, and tried to present a Rodney King, can't we all get along input. It was a very honarble thing to attempt, but you aren't in a position to break this up. Perhaps if you'd known those involved for sometime, then your input would be taken on its merrit. As it was, there was a dog fight going on, and all you were able to get out of a well intentioned attempt to break it up is a bite or two on your hand, which you did.

Now, since I've been involved here, on HA, and as I recall Howard was invovled back with the old Alloutdoors Coffee shop many years back, perhaps he will give my comments a grain of salt.

Talking ill of someone behind there back, even a spineless lowlife, is a chickenshit thing to do. I have zero regard for the referred to individual, and a comment I made about him the end of last year generated a threat of legal action against this forum. I withdrew that comment under protest, though it didn't make me feel that good making the comment. I simply fealt it was an accurate comment, though it certainly could have been worded better. It simply isn't worth our energy to discuss the issue. Let it lie, the individual brought about his own demise, what more do you want out of it?

So, lets get back to what this forum is about, helping others with their firearms, and showing off the projects we have in the works.

Jimmy, if you really want to contribute, just send me a check, I'll take good care of it.

Let's see, that CZ550 in 7x57 cost about $429.

Probably the 9.3 cost a little more.

What happened to shooters online, Did it change. They had a gunsmithing forum. Where is Dan Hackett posting these days?

Paul

I misunderstood you. Thank you for explaining your thoughts to me.

KJK

Blue wrong again. What happened was the owner of the site wanted to say what he wanted to say and have it accepted as gospel.

It is also important to point out that Marshall�s comments for the most part concerned Dakota rifles and actions. Marshall in the past had been highly critical of Dakota and their prices. Once they became an advertiser he did a 180 and they became not what they are, a very nice semi-production rifle, but the best ever, better even then a full blown custom job could ever be.

When people politely disagreed with him he responded with Madison Avenue sales info he cut and pasted and refused to respond directly to questions about his opinions. What was proven is he really had no opinions of his own based on personal experience but rather was relying 100% on what he learned from salesmen and ad copy. When this became blatantly obvious he pulled out the ban button.

Howard

I have heard most of what you have testified to, but again, not having been there, what everyone tells me is just evidence.

However, besides the civility issue, there is also this issue of property rights that I briefly mentioned so long ago.

If what you say happened actually happened, and at this point I have no reason to doubt you, there still is the fact that the site belonged to that person. I would imagine that the site was that person's actual business.

As such, whether he censored you or not, you would certainly have to agree that in a free society a person has a right to do with his property as he/she so chooses so long at that person is not breaking a criminal statute or committing an intentional or negligent tort upon another.To put it another way, although what he did seems a bit outlandish, he did have a legal right to ask people not to participate on his site.

On the other hand, and back to my original point that started this whole thing, libel is an intentional tort in almost every state. Certainly, truth is a defense to libel. And I am sure that you are telling the truth about what happened. BUT THAT IS NOT MY POINT. My point is that the libel was the name, and you and your friends (and my friends I suppose) have no proof of truth for those words (or at least I would think you would not have any proof). I would agree that most men's sexual organs are at most times not erect, but I suspect that when the words "limp dick" are used it means that the person cannot get an erection. You cannot prove that with the knowledge you have and therefore you do not know if it is true or not. Moreover, what is a "mental Midget". At what IQ does one become a mental midget? There is no proof to be had.

I am not sticking up for the guy. But none of you are going to convince me that it is proper to call anyone a limp dicked mental midget on a public forum.

KJK

blue, thank you for your attempt to try and resolve the cry baby attack.
Howard is worthless
jimmyd223 is even more worthless
I could name more but it is not worth my time. they all know who they are and they are all worthless, It is my site and I will run it the way I see fit.I have several health issues and don't have time to play games with worthless posters, such as the ones I banned.

blue

I kept telling myself I was not going to get involved in this, but I want to tell you that I do agree with you on the name calling. I too, am one of the people who were dismissed on that now historical night. I do however, agree that nothing much positive will come from the name calling other than it may make some feel better.

I myself, don't want to be on any forum where I am not wanted. I was told I was banned for "Dumb remarks" by a person who is the judge and jury, of ONE I might add, so I now have no desire to go there anymore. He also made the remark for all the world to see that "It is my house and if I don't like you, your'e outa here". You and I both know that few business people will succeed with an attitude like that so I feel it is a simple matter to stay away from his house. In fact, I pretty much told Marshall this in an e-mail. I would be happy to send this to anyone interested in seeing it. The only reason I even mention this is because he made the statement at one time that I was invited back and I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression from that statement. I did not ask to be re-instated, and the fact that I am NOT there says it all!! And I will add that I am "IDARED" on every forum I have ever been on and always will be unless someone else gets that name first.

Anyway, now with that off my chest, I also like this forum the best. I also enjoy the 24 Hour group and don't feel I need to have a Remington with a Leupold scope to visit there. A lot of people I enjoy reading are there, many who I remember from the old Coffee Shop. I spend about equal time reading over there as here. There is lots of info in both places. As far as the worst, I don't really know that there is a worst. Some are just less appealing to me than others.

Swamp

Thank you very much for coming over here.

If you would have read all of my posts, you would have seen that one of the things that I was talking about is that it was improper to use public forums to call people foul mouthed names that are really nothing more than libel. To that end, I would have to say that calling somebody "worthless" isn't a very good place to try and start to get the matter resolved (and by the way there is no doubt in my mind that this matter could be resolved and everyone could be friends again).

I agree with you that property rights allow you to decide who you want to allow on your site and who you do not want to allow on your site. However, from what I understand, this entire tiff has caused a lot of very considerable talented people (gunsmiths, custom stockmakers, engravers, metalsmiths, etc) to leave your site. From a business point of view that cannot be a good thing.

Anyway, I would like to ask you a direct question. If there was a way to clear this matter up so that all of the people that you banned could come back and use your site, how would you see that happening.

Lastly, I am sorry to hear that you are ill. I hope that it is nothing serious, and I hope that you are doing the therapies necessary for you to get well.

Thank you very much for providing your forum. I enjoy it very much.

KJK

Idared you nailed it perfectly.



Nobody has disputed Marshal's right to ban anyone he chooses.



His actions do fly in the face of fair play and his often stated opposition to censorship.



We have the right to state our side of things.



I will no longer refer to anyone here as a LDMM, I will use real names.

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mr blue, to answer your question about the name calling first. I am not a mental midget, I am 5'10" tall and 185 and work out each morning to to keep myself fit. I try to read at least one book per week.I am in group therpy 3 times per week for various reasons, some that stem from the abuse from some of these posters.
Next question about resolving issues and these posters coming back to my home/HA. These poster have belittled me in front of thousands of posters and then you want me to allow them back in my home. I would consider allowing a certain few to come back but never and I do mean NEVER would I allow the two most worthless POS, Howard and jimmyd223 back on my forum. thank you swamp/HA

I think we've arrived at a very special place here.

Spiritually, ecumenically, grammatically.....

GV

Nothing like being called worthless or a POS by such as you. Makes me laugh and proves mine and Jimmy's points all along about you.

Swamp

Please go above and read Howard's post. He says that he is going to refrain from name calling from now on. I would ask that you do the same. That is a begining.

Now, as far as censorship. Once again, I agree that if you own something you have every right to control it so long as it is legal. And nobody here is saying that you did anyting illegal. But by the same token, would you not agree that it is poor business to censor something if it is the truth.

NOw Now Now, don't misunderstand. I don't know what in the hell is the truth in this whole thing. I have heard a lot of evidence from many different corners. All I am asking is this question. If you were to run a public forum (which you do) and if someone were to post something on that forum that was in fact the truth, would you feel the need to censor it if it were not to your liking. I think that is a fair question to ask. And I think that if that is your policy, and you certainly have a right to that policy if you so desire, then perhaps that policy should be posted soemwhere so that people know right up front that your forum is not entirely a "free" forum in the sense that "all voices will be heard".

Why I say all of this is becasue the forum we are now on doesn't seem to have any of the troubles that you have experienced over at your forum. And I wonder why that is.
What are the differences? Why is it that Howard and Jimmy seem to get along with everybody on this forum but not on your forum. I am not blaming you. Just asking you a question. Do you have any specific articulable facts that you can point to so that I can better understand this issue.

Specifically, Is it because your forum is commerical and this one is not?
That is what I would like to know?

Blue

swamp, To be honest here, I really do feel sorry for you. Here I thought you would come up with something more orignal than calling me worthless and POS. Worthless, I understand but what does POS mean?
As to wanting to come back to your home, only in your wildest dreams little man. Also after being at my accountant today, be sure to claim my donation as income for your LLC, wouldn't want you in trouble.
Hope you prosper in 04

PS good luck with the therpy,might consider 5 days insted of 3

mr blue, alot of the problems started when Howard and jimmyd and a few others started to question and ridicule my posts. They made fun of me and hurt my feelings and then my wife read these posts and she too made fun of me. Do you know how that feels. I was at my end, I did not really know what or how to handle things. I banned some of these people and emailed jimmyd asking him to Please be good, he just would not let up, he made me look like a fool. I am at the point that I just don't think anyone likes me and these people just keep calling me that name. I am thinking that since no one will make any donations that I may consider selling HA or just shutting it down so I am not teased anymore. thank you swamp/HA

Swamp I feel sorry for you as well. You have lost a bunch of friends by your actions and I know that must hurt. You have also seen the viability of HuntAmerica take a dump. I know you have put your heart and soul into it and what with losing your PE teacher job it�s your only source of income. I feel for you and want to help you as do many others but your actions prevent it. Chic, Jimmy, Alvinmack, Idared, Grandview, and myself, etc all used to think you where a pretty decent upstanding guy. Then you went and pulled what you pulled. I was even a customer of yours for crying out loud when you went and banned me for disagreeing with you about Dakota�s. How irrational can you be?

hey swamp, whats the asking price?

will bid you for it.

I'd like to see a list of those who actually believe it is Marshal posting vs another poster who created a new handle for themselves?

Paul you could be right. Swamp is good with grammer etc and this poster is not but this poster seems more intelligent the swamp. But if I had to guess I would say its Swamp.

Personally I think sounds more like:





'ScottS'

'ToddE'

'TEG'

'ToddGobb'

'500AHR'

'SRS'

'Axel'

'POSeur'

'Judy'

'NRAchick'

'sniperonthegrassyknoll'

'Chigger'

'Latigo'

'Sidecar'

'Cody7'

'Ironhorse'



TROLL ALERT!!!

originally posted by swamp(?)

Quote:

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They made fun of me and hurt my feelings and then my wife read these posts and she too made fun of me.

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What are you 5 or 6 years old? A grown man having his feelings hurt by name calling?
Your wife makes fun of you..........she must really care.

I personally don't think this poster to be legit. Nice try.

hangunnr

hahahahahaha!!!!!! a troll, maybe it's BillMc in drag. Damn, if I thought it wasn't swamp I wouldn't have made any posts. Just think Howard, some troll called you and me worthless and POS.