Howard

I have been practicing law for quite some time now, and over the years it has struck me how it is those who are guilty theirselves yell the loudest about their innocence, while those who are innocent have a quiet calm and resvere about them. I am not saying you are guilty of anything, and I am sure you are a very fine gentleman, as I am sure Jimmy, and Kobe, and all of the rest of the folks are here on this forum. But to use this name calling (and esepcially foul language name calling) such as you do here kind of shows that your attitude isn't much better than that of the person whom you seem to be so upset at. So he banned you from his forum. So what. My understanding is that it was HIS forum, and therefore he certainly had a right to ban you from his forum, just as you would have a right to kick me off your front door without any questions asked. To tell you the actual truth, the language that is sometimes used on this forum to attack people is actual Defamation by Libel. A short definition would be "Accustaions in writing or printing against the character or a person which affects his reputation, in that it tends to hold him up to ridicule, contempt, shame, disgrace or obloquy, to degrade him in the estimation of the community, to induce an evil opinion of him in the minds of rightthinking persons, etc., etc.."

Accuratereloading is the best place to find out about Mauser sporterizations.

I was kicked off the parrallaxbills forum for typing the word "sporterize".

Here is another sporterizing forum, but it is all amateurs:
http://pub86.ezboard.com/fmilitaryfirearmrestorationcornerfrm1

gee blue, a lawyer huh!!!!! maybe yo all could butty up to the LDMM and file a suit!!!!!!!!! Sorry but no names have been mentioned, libal, give me a break. Keep in mind, you would have to work for FREE as this POS has to BEG for money on his site. Why don't you inquire as to how much of that donation money has been claimed as income for the LLC ?
You are the typical lawyer, sticking your nose into something you have no knowledge of.
Send me a PM and I will send you my name and addy so you can file a suit on behalf of the LDMM that is if you work for FREE

Jimmy

See what I mean about the "guilty" making the loudest noises while those who are innocent remain calm and cool. You are guilty of stating that I know nothing of this issue when in fact I do have a lot of knowledge about what happened.

Nevertheless, what knowledge I have is not the issue that I speak of. Rather, I needn't have any knowledge of the underlying issue to comment on Libel when I see it.

May I quote you. "this POS has to BEG for money on his site". What is the key word there Jimmy. You may disagree, but the key word in my mind is the word "his". It was his site. You were a guest. If I were in your backyard and started to say things you didn't like you would certainly want the right to have me removed, whether I was correct in what I was saying or not.

As for any money you gave him, according to the law, once a person "gives" another person tangible property, the giver no longer has dominion over it. It would be like me giving you a gun as a gift and then being able to insist on what type of reloads you used in it, and then if you didn't use what I said to use I went on a public forum and called you an idiot for not doing so.

Since I am a member of this forum, and since you and others have chosen to air dirty laundry here, I guess I have a right to comment as I see fit. What I have not done though is call you names, or criticize your profession, or anything of that nature. I see that you do that immediately when you get uncomfortable.

Once again, I am sure that you are a very fine gentleman and if I knew you I am sure I would consider you a friend.

Just so you do not misunderstand me, I am not saying that you should not criticize what this other fellow did if what he did was wrong. All I am saying is that one can criticize someone elses "politics" without attacking the person theirself, and without calling other people names that consist of foul language that would pass for libel.

(pardon my spelling and typing. not good at either)

"Accustaions in writing or printing against the character or a person which affects his reputation, in that it tends to hold him up to ridicule, contempt, shame, disgrace or obloquy, to degrade him in the estimation of the community, to induce an evil opinion of him in the minds of rightthinking persons, etc., etc.."

Prove it, and then prove who I am talking about. Prove who I am referring to when I use the term Limp Dicked Mental Midget.

Blue lets call some more names. Blue you are an idiot and if you are, as you claim, an attorney you have to be the thinnest skinned one in history. I think you are a liar and an idiot. Now let�s see who yells the loudest. On and if you want to sue me for libel my real name and town are listed so Mr. Attorney Blue sue away.

It�s not a matter of innocence our guilt it�s a matter of being banned for having an opposing viewpoint that certain Limp Dicked Mental Midgets with authority couldn�t handle. It was a matter of being called upon to explain or prove their contentions and when they couldn�t do that they resorted to the ban button. So I simply express my feelings on the matter on a similar forum that has no such foolish restrictions.

blue, so as I take it, you don't want his case
As I see it no one called you any names. Cry the loudest is funny. I have a real bitch with the way he handled several things,lied,deleted to make himself look better, devuldged personal information(which if you are really an attorney) you will agree is against the law, and banned anyone that made him look like the fool he is.
As to you thinking I am a nice person, you are totally wrong, I say things the way they are and it matters little if you or anyone else thinks I'm and asshole or any other description you can dream up, I've been them all
Have a great day

"Blue" is nothing but a plant from HA.

Hey Blue, go on over to HA and kiss up to the "I have the right to do what I want on MY site" owner. You have a home waiting for you there. Swamp loves kiss-asses. Be real nice to him & he might let you see one of his "custom" rifles...

Run along Blue, Swamp is waiting for his report....

Howard, Jimmy, and Cold Bore

My name is Kevin Kolosky. My Minnesota Attorney license number is 244375. I graduated Cum Laude from William Mitchell College of Law in 1994. Before that I was a CPA.

Howard

Thank you for calling me an idiot as doing so solidifies my arugment.

You will notice that I call you nothing back in return.

Kevin

Jimmy

read my posts again very carefully. Nowhere did I call you an "asshole" or anything else. I did not attack your person. Just your method.

As for wanting his case, it would be him who would decide whether he wanted to retain an attorney, not the tortfeasor.

Jimmy, I had a 35 year old sister pass away last summer for no apparent reason. One thing it taught me was that life is just too darn short to waste precious moments on things that have happened in the past that no longer can be changed.

Howard:

You say "prove who you called a limp dicked mental midget"
Since this would be a civil case, the standard would not be "beyond a reasonable doubt" but rather "by a preponderance of the evidence". Moreover, circumstantial evidence can be given the same weight that real evidence is given. I am pretty sure that given all of the evidence of the case a jury would "find" that you were talking about who we know you are talking about.

But no matter. AGAIN, and for the last time, I am not attacking anyone here for being upset with what happened on another forum.

RATHER, I AM JUST SAYING THAT ONE SHOULD NOT USE FOUL LANGUAGE TO CALL OTHER PEOPLE NAMES ON PUBLIC FORUMS.

Kevin

so mr blue, what part of this bashing offends you? oh, for got this, I graduated from the school of hard knocks, from the pipeline in alaska to a business owner for 28 years. I have never treated someone in my house,business or otherwise the way the LDMM has done. And I sure as hell didn't need some spineless blood sucking low life attorney to stand up and do my fighting for me.I pack my own balls, they aren't in my wifes purse like the LDMM



Have a great day



and blue, nowhere did I say you called me an asshole but it would not affect me in the least if you did.



The whole point is that we disagreed with a subject and proved our point beyond any doubt and then were banned for no reason. Your idea's would be much more welcomed on HA where there has been bashing of those of us that were banned with no recourse from us as we are banned and can't reply. If what we are saying is untrue the why don't you invite the LDMM over here to dispute what has been said

Kevin Kolosky, I simply called �Blue� an idiot to make a point. Use of such names on a public site makes it impossible to prove libel. Plus any jury would laugh the LDMM out of court for crying about such a thing.



Just as an aside the computers I use are available to a multitude of people. How would you prove that �Howard� is indeed the person making the posts?



So if you object to foul name calling how about if I say a certain person who shall be nameless is a spineless, lying, low-life, miserable example of humanity?



Another question since you brought up the issue, �according to the law, once a person "gives" another person tangible property, the giver no longer has dominion over it.� That could very well be what the law states in this case. However I think that any reasonable person in this case would draw the conclusion that donating money to keep a forum open entitles said person to have access to the forum. What happened on the HA site is people who did donate to the server fund disagreed with the owner of the site and where banned. They did not break the forum rules they agreed to abide by they simply had a difference of opinion with the �owner� and the �owner� was challenged to prove his contentions. The �owner� responded by use of the ban button. Hence my opinion that a certain person or persons are, spineless, lying, low-life, miserable, examples of humanity; enough said.

Jimmy

if you were calling me a spineless low life blood sucking attorney in your last post, Thank you, for as I said to Howard, your doing so solidifies my point. I pray that you will never really need an attorney if your attitude about them is that they are low life and blood sucking.

Thank you for all of the hard work you did for us when you worked up in Alaska on the Pipeline. I appreciate it.

I wish you well.

Howard

I can guantee you one thing. One can never ever know what a jury will do.

I see your points. I know you are upset. AGAIN, MY POINT WAS NOT ABOUT THE FACTS OF YOUR CASE, BUT RATHER THE ISSUE OF WHETHER IT WAS PROPER TO CALL PEOPLE NAMES ON A PUBLIC FORUM.

I wish you well and consider you a friend.

Kevin

blue, thats funny, trying to imply I called you a name, sorry you need to read a bit closer.

just one quick question, you surely have defended someone that you knew was guilty but were bound to defend them to the best of your ability?

Blue point well taken, I know I get worked up and speak my mind.

On a different subject Marshall Talbot�s, the owner of HA, actions went beyond the pale and are a sorry way to treat long time users and supporters of his site; there is also the case of his �trashing� of a person in a blatant and obvious attempt to stir up controversy and generate �hits� to his site. Then there is the issue of his giving out personal and confidential information about a poster to another poster that resulted in death threats to the poster. The information given out could only have been acquired through the online ordering system Marshal uses.

Marshal is the owner of his site and as a result has the right to do as he pleases with it. Try to imagine if you would your local coffee shop that you have visited on your way to work every morning for six years then one morning when you show up are kicked out and told the reason for you being banned is you are �worthless�. How would you feel? They have a right to refuse service to anyone? Sure they do but you would be pissed wouldn�t you? Especially if you later discovered the reason for the �banning� was they liked Fords and you liked Chevys.

Howard, since when did they start buildign Fords with Butt Ugly maple hardware??? lol

Hey fellas, I wish you would quit picking on us limp dicks out here. We have feelings too.

well, if your name was mediumbob or shortbob you would not be included

Hey Blue, I just thought of something. You're not the lawyer that was "representing" Swamp earlier in the matters concerning this board, are you?

Jimmy and Howard

Jimmy:
I have defended peope in cases where I had formed an opniion that they may have been guilty. I did so for two reasons. First, the standard was not whether they were guilty, but rather whether the State could prove them guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. More importantly, I did so because to defend oneself against the state is the very underpinning of our way of life.

Howard:

Of course I would be pissed. But once again, I would not go on a public forum and call people names.

Now that I have reviewed the last 2 hours of talk between you and I and Jimmy and Kobe and everyone else, it seems that we are talking about two different things. That is my fault. I should have kept the conversation more focused on what I was talking about. I was talking about the trees and you guys were talking about the forest. All I was saying was that I did not think it was correct to call people names on a public forum. I was not trying to judge the merits of your case with a person who ran the other forum, and if it seemed like I was trying to do that I am very sorry.

So again, to keep my side of this on track, I AM NOT CRITCIZING YOU FOLKS FOR BEING UPSET WITH A FELLOW FOR BOOTING YOU OFF OF HIS FORUM. I do believe in property rights (silly old me), but the entire gist of my posts has been only to state that one should not call other people names on public forums.

I wish everyone well.

KJK

Cold Bore

I can assure you that I do not have a professional relationship with anyone regarding the issues we are discussing.
I can further assure you that if I did I would not be discussing the case here on this forum.

KJK

blue, if you feel this strongly, then do as I suggest and go to HA, invite the said subject over here and lets have an open debate with a third party being the judge to hear both sides. All of the banned posters vs LDMM

Blue I understand, no problems here.

Jimmy

I have to run down to Cabelas with the wife this afternoon. But when I get back I will attempt to go to the "other forum" and see if I can get the other side to come over here and talk. Did I mention that I am a qualified mediator as well?

blue, run to Cabela's in the middle of the day
Are you an Unemployed Attorney
I would welcome him to come to AR to dispute what has been said. I have nothing to hide.
It won't happen but I will give you credit for making an attempt.

Jimmy

No, I am not unemployed. I work for myself, and I work pretty much full time. Actually, about 90 percent of what I do is pro bono work for poor and disadvanteged people who cannot afford an attorney. It is all documented through local legal aid agencies. If it were not for my loving wife I would be out on the street.

Blue I will provide you with the biggest steak at the best steakhouse in town if you get Swamp to come over here and debate us.

blue, after reading this part: Actually, about 90 percent of what I do is pro bono work for poor and disadvanteged people who cannot afford an attorney. you should be working for all us banned people, we fit that description perfect
So have you made contact with the Little man?

Holy cow, the panties are wadded now. My guess is that some of you are teenage girls trolling this forum, shame on you, let us fella's talk.
Don

Don B, most of us over here at AR wear underware, if'n your wearing panties, your on the wrong forum

Blue

What in the hell are you bringing me into this for? Al I did was support JimmyD by saying anyone can stop him when he starts to lie. Jeez, you know what they say about lawyers? Call me, I am in the book.

J Kobe, that will teach ya to stick up for me
I think I only lied once and that was over a measurement involving a woman

Mr blue, still waiting for you client to show his face

Cold Bore

So far, you have not impressed me much either.

Kobe:

I still want to come over and watch you do a stock, and yes, I am willing to pay you to watch!!!


Everyone.

I invited Swamp to come over. Am waiting for a reply.


KJK

Blue and Jimmy, plus a couple of others:

I thought this thread was supposed to be about gunsmithing sites. Apparently I was wrong.

Ive never been to HA but from what ive seen here in this post how could it be much worse? Most people come to htese sights to talk or read about guns not to listen to people bicker. ebb

blue, I have got to admit, I really didn't think you were the brightest star in the sky but boy, you got Balls

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Swamp

I have kind of been sticking up for you over on another site where a bunch of guys do not have a whole lot good to say about you. I say that no matter what, they should not be calling anyone names. Anyway, maybe it might be a good idea for all concerned if you were to come over to the other site and jive for awhile with me acting as moderator to try and keep the language clean and everyone on the real issues at hand. Would you be willing to come over there and have a discussion?

Kevin

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Jimmy

Well, I didn't think you were the brightest star in the sky either, but I keep trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, and I still consider you my friend.

KJK