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Originally posted by JDA-CO:
Where is Shootacow? I haven't seen him around for a few days... Kinda getting used to making fun of him; Miss it a little...

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I made myself a cleaning rod guide and have a new coated cleaning rod on order.

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Originally posted by eagle27:
Oh dear god George while your idea for a cleaning rod guide may have merit, although I don't think they are necessary when rodding from the chamber end, but if you want to use one please don't use the one you have made, that is just going to butcher your rods outer coating. Don't you have access to a small lathe or can't you use a sharper drill, please god forbid.

ndp345 have you tried drilling lead? Also soft lead could absorb abrasives, not good for the rod or the barrel.

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Originally posted by eagle27:
Oh dear god George while your idea for a cleaning rod guide may have merit, although I don't think they are necessary when rodding from the chamber end, but if you want to use one please don't use the one you have made, that is just going to butcher your rods outer coating. Don't you have access to a small lathe or can't you use a sharper drill, please god forbid.

ndp345 have you tried drilling lead? Also soft lead could absorb abrasives, not good for the rod or the barrel.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by eagle27:
Oh dear god George while your idea for a cleaning rod guide may have merit, although I don't think they are necessary when rodding from the chamber end, but if you want to use one please don't use the one you have made, that is just going to butcher your rods outer coating. Don't you have access to a small lathe or can't you use a sharper drill, please god forbid.

ndp345 have you tried drilling lead? Also soft lead could absorb abrasives, not good for the rod or the barrel.

Actually stupid,a very sharp drill bit was used to easily drill this.The hole needs to be smoothed out but that does not require a genius to figure out.The whole point is to prevent the cleaning rod shaft from bending.That and a thicker or larger diameter rod will go a long way to prevent any damage to the lands.The rod I ordered was a Dewey coated .35 cal.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I just thought I would post this-a post from another thread about bore cleaning.I think it was a great post.

post by amamnn


[URL= posted 21 February 2010 06:13 Hide Post Apparently no one......... so--here is my experience with wipe out and other wonder cleaners versus copper fouling and the borescope. (they all seem to zap the carbon fairly well) Before we get to that I would like to say that after using wipe out on several bores, I feel that people should not be put off by others who count the foaming, expanding, action of this cleaner as waste. Remember there is a large component in that foam which is nothing but formerly compressed air; air weighs next to nothing and you have not paid for more air in wipe out than for the empty space at the top of another cleaner. That being said........ People who have told me time and again that I have no room to talk about cleaners until and unless I got a borescope and actually looked at what they were doing in the bore, used to tire me out. They acted sooooooooooo superior!!!!! Just to prove them to be jerks I got one.... They were right. Easy bore cleaning like scrubbing bubbles and get rich quick schemes are all the same--BUSH WA. I figured that if you were a hunter and only shot 3 or 4 rounds in a hunt then took your rifle home and had time to let wipe out sit in the barrel for minutes--or hours--or days--according to the directions and how much copper fouling you had--well that was ok. I shoot mainly match rifles and clean between relays and do not have that kind of time to let chemicals sit in the barrel, so I figured the hunters might be able to get a barrel clean the easy way. Even that was wrong. Recently, after getting the borescope, I took a Model 70 Winchester in .30-06 out of the gun safe and looked in the bore. This was a rifle that I had assumed was copper fouled and had "cleaned" with wipe out (following the directions on the can EXACTLY) until there were no traces of copper on the patches. It had only been fired 10 times in the last session, as my shoulders can no longer take the pounding they once could. To my surprise the barrel was still copper fouled. I immediately applied the wipe out again thinking that for some reason I had missed the copper traces on the patches during the last cleaning????!!!! I got a slightly blue trace after letting the foam sit in the barrel 15 minutes, but a quick look with the borescope showed copper still in the barrel. I applied Wipe out again and again followed the directions and after letting the chemical sit in the bore 24 hours the patches I ran through the bore came out as white as if washed in all temp a cheer Harold...........no copper indicated with wipe out. Looking in the barrel showed the copper still present and not just lightly present or sorta present, it was PRESENT. A single application of Bore tech Eliminator showed heavy copper traces. I ran dry patches through until they came out white. An application of wipe out again showed white on the very first(wet) patch. Hoppe's Elite Bore gel showed copper....again wipe out--no copper--the old standby--witches' brew (Shooter's choice and Kroil mixed 50/50) showed copper--again Wipe out did not. A look in the bore after all that--any bets? Copper was still present. MY CONCLUSION: I finally went back to the other old standby that has really worked as long as I have been shooting and cleaning (over 57 years) scrubbing--elbow grease-- work-- JB bore cleaner--there is no free lunch. I just finished repeating this experiment with the "wonder cleaners" in a different order. This time on an AR-15 and an AR-10 that were copper fouled. One was squeaky clean and shot 4 times and the other was squeaky clean and shot 10 times. You can mix up the wonder cleaners in any order you like; the results were the same. Just to be sure I took the AR10 out Friday and shot another 4 rounds--then cleaned using JB bore cleaner as per directions--no show of copper using the borescope--to be double sure I ran a wet Eliminator patch through and also got no trace. If the enemy is in range, so are you. - Infantry manual ]1[/URL]

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I just thought I would post this-a post from another thread about bore cleaning.I think it was a great post.

post by amamnn


[URL= posted 21 February 2010 06:13 Hide Post Apparently no one......... so--here is my experience with wipe out and other wonder cleaners versus copper fouling and the borescope. (they all seem to zap the carbon fairly well) Before we get to that I would like to say that after using wipe out on several bores, I feel that people should not be put off by others who count the foaming, expanding, action of this cleaner as waste. Remember there is a large component in that foam which is nothing but formerly compressed air; air weighs next to nothing and you have not paid for more air in wipe out than for the empty space at the top of another cleaner. That being said........ People who have told me time and again that I have no room to talk about cleaners until and unless I got a borescope and actually looked at what they were doing in the bore, used to tire me out. They acted sooooooooooo superior!!!!! Just to prove them to be jerks I got one.... They were right. Easy bore cleaning like scrubbing bubbles and get rich quick schemes are all the same--BUSH WA. I figured that if you were a hunter and only shot 3 or 4 rounds in a hunt then took your rifle home and had time to let wipe out sit in the barrel for minutes--or hours--or days--according to the directions and how much copper fouling you had--well that was ok. I shoot mainly match rifles and clean between relays and do not have that kind of time to let chemicals sit in the barrel, so I figured the hunters might be able to get a barrel clean the easy way. Even that was wrong. Recently, after getting the borescope, I took a Model 70 Winchester in .30-06 out of the gun safe and looked in the bore. This was a rifle that I had assumed was copper fouled and had "cleaned" with wipe out (following the directions on the can EXACTLY) until there were no traces of copper on the patches. It had only been fired 10 times in the last session, as my shoulders can no longer take the pounding they once could. To my surprise the barrel was still copper fouled. I immediately applied the wipe out again thinking that for some reason I had missed the copper traces on the patches during the last cleaning????!!!! I got a slightly blue trace after letting the foam sit in the barrel 15 minutes, but a quick look with the borescope showed copper still in the barrel. I applied Wipe out again and again followed the directions and after letting the chemical sit in the bore 24 hours the patches I ran through the bore came out as white as if washed in all temp a cheer Harold...........no copper indicated with wipe out. Looking in the barrel showed the copper still present and not just lightly present or sorta present, it was PRESENT. A single application of Bore tech Eliminator showed heavy copper traces. I ran dry patches through until they came out white. An application of wipe out again showed white on the very first(wet) patch. Hoppe's Elite Bore gel showed copper....again wipe out--no copper--the old standby--witches' brew (Shooter's choice and Kroil mixed 50/50) showed copper--again Wipe out did not. A look in the bore after all that--any bets? Copper was still present. MY CONCLUSION: I finally went back to the other old standby that has really worked as long as I have been shooting and cleaning (over 57 years) scrubbing--elbow grease-- work-- JB bore cleaner--there is no free lunch. I just finished repeating this experiment with the "wonder cleaners" in a different order. This time on an AR-15 and an AR-10 that were copper fouled. One was squeaky clean and shot 4 times and the other was squeaky clean and shot 10 times. You can mix up the wonder cleaners in any order you like; the results were the same. Just to be sure I took the AR10 out Friday and shot another 4 rounds--then cleaned using JB bore cleaner as per directions--no show of copper using the borescope--to be double sure I ran a wet Eliminator patch through and also got no trace. If the enemy is in range, so are you. - Infantry manual ]1[/URL]

I'll say it again. Shootacow ... what a dumb F*$%er!!

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Originally posted by Norsk:
I have some experience shooting NE loads in different temperatures (from -30c to +30c). My 470NE loads velocity have dropped over 100fps at below -20. I have also seen big POI changes corresponding to velocity drop. Regulation has also been affected. I can not believe you are so impulsive as to "solve the problem" by filing down the front sight. Are you planning to have two front sights (or more) for different temperatures? You do know that your dremelled rifle will shoot high in africa using the same load you "tuned it to" in Canada.... Think!

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I should be at the range tomorrow again with the 500NE and a couple of new front sight beads to try.

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Originally posted by JDA-CO:
Shootacow: A couple of the LEAST dorky'est posts I've ever read from you.

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Originally posted by 209jones:
Well, it looks like he has the sight set right, at the moment. How long that will last, is the next big mystery. This may get scary yet.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by JDA-CO:
Shootacow: A couple of the LEAST dorky'est posts I've ever read from you.

No, no, no! Don't be sucked in! He does this all the time. Show him the slightest regard and he'll most definitely shit on you! Tread lightly as shoo-cow is simply on a trip! We've all been here before.

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
Shooting down a heavily oiled barrel