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With the new/old M70 Safari Classics due out soon, I'm thinking that one in 458WM re-chambered in 458AR would be a very cost effective way to get improved performance wihout all the extra work involved in a 458 Lott conversion. Who should I send the rifle to to get it re-chambered? Can I order the dies directly from Hornady? Thanks all for your help, Russ Green. | |||
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Jim Kobe will have the reamer and gauges, whenever he needs them... call hornady and talk to Lonnie and order a set .. if you do, let me know, and I'll order a spare thanks for thinking of me opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Hornaday is supposed to make my dies i 8-10 weeks you may get to jump in if you say some thing about it. like my 458AR just need to shoot it more Clint | |||
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opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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That is a very fine looking rifle! Deserves better than a Ruger Stock! Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Have you tried Trail Boss powder and .475" pistol bullets with the .470 AR? | |||
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not exactly .. i have tried the 400gr speer golddot and h335 .. for GREAT hunting loads! opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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rhino 15/ morma 203B 458 AR data - 22" barrel
opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Bolts on the wrong side! | |||
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great thing about rugers -- the bolt comes on the otherside! opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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bump for duke nukem opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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A while back I read an article in rifle magazine about Phil Shoemaker and his 510/505 gibbs. From that point on I've always dreamed of owning a .510. At first I lusted after a 500a2 or 505gibbs necked up to .510 but after shooting my 458ar I realized I'm not cutout for the crazy power of those full length rigby rounds. I think I found the perfect fit with the 500ar and after 3 years here it is. Can't wait to give it a try. I'm more excited about shooting the 50cal APIT than anything. I checked the feeding with 2 dummies with 600gr woodleighs and it was perfect. The only thing I'm worried about is the weight, its light, lighter than my 458 so I might put a scope and some lead in the stock. Here are the specs: I bought a new 7mag action in stainless, sent it to mcgowen and they sent me back a barreled action with 1x10 twist, it then went to gene williams for the finishing touches, cerkote the barrel, barrel band sling swivel and NCEG front sight, barrel recoil lug with a screw though the stock, bedded from front to rear. This is it the final chapter in my big bore quest only thing left to do are take it to africa and put a suppressor on it.         | |||
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very Cool, Peyton the top loads aren't going to be alot of fun in a lighter gun ... but you might be surprised at the shootability of the "merely" 500 jeffe/500 nitro loads ... LOTS of guys first ride on mine have been 570s at 2150, mas o menos opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeffe When you put the right bullets in the end of the case, one does not need more than 2100-2150 fps to do a jam up job on anything and any mission asked of it. You just don't need more than that! Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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You r right Doc M - 2100 fps is enough with the right bullets. Even 2050 is enough if you use a 577 NE with Sams 725 grs #13 Bastard Bullet.. But I will still load my 458 AR to 2300 fps with the 500 grs Hornady DGS and the 500 grs Barnes Banded Solids for my upcoming ele hunt. I leave the 24. Sept for Chete and have 3 PAC/management bulls on quota.....  | |||
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how are you 500ar guys flaring case mouths for cast bullets? Jeffe, what should the COAL with the 50 cal APIT be? | |||
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You will be very well armed Buffalo! The ele's are in big trouble no doubt about it. How long is the barrel on your 458 AR????? I hope it's a proper 20 inches or so? The 458 AR can easy do 20 inches! M http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Well its looong.. - 21,5 inches... And weight is 7,7 Ibs. You remember the reason about deciding the barrel length as we talked about earlier  | |||
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peyton, 4.128 or there abouts opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Well the weight is right anyway! Yeah Yeah! M http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Well 90gr of AA2520 made for some easy shooting 600gr softs and APIT's. I'll try and get some more photos and run them over the chrono in a couple weekends I doubt they are over 2K fps. It was a blast!! Thanks again jeffe for the design, the 458AR and 500AR have brought me much joy. The APIT's at dusk were especially entertaining. | |||
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I totally agree but my bank account doesn't That's life eh!!! | |||
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Gents Con and I have found a bullets maker that can turn up some nice MONO metal 305g .458 projectiles with a big hex hollow point. Since I already have the 500 AccRel Shooting 535g projectiles and the 600 OK nearly finished I want something light and quick handling I'm going to cut my 458 AccRel back to 20in put the NECG banded front sight on it and set it up like a quick handling hammer of thor. Anybody else out there trimmed their 458 AccRel to 20. Jeffe you experimented with light 302g projectiles, how did that go. regards S&F | |||
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This has been a genuinely remarkable thread! Congratulations to all ... especially Jeffe One small question (and honestly not a self serving one) ... How many of the rifles chambered for the AR cartridges have taken heavy game in Australia, the great Bear in North America or Russia, or large game in Africa? Mike -------------- DRSS, Womper's Club, NRA Life Member/Charter Member NRA Golden Eagles ... Knifemaker, http://www.mstarling.com | |||
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Joe, we used the 302 leigh bullets .. big hex hole in them, and they returned better than moa, out to 275, 23" barrel, and SMOKES hogs and exotics . i wouldn't use them on your buffalo or feral cattle.. or bantang .. but just about another lighter built than those, including eland, elk, and moose... Mike, thanks ... the returns are all you guys, for the support and belief in the rounds. there's a 458 AR in africa, right now .. ask buffalo when he gets back... biggest thing i've kilt with one of mine is a 300+ sow opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I shot a 3/4" thick cast water pipe with mine last weekend. Those APIT are impressive, I'm headed out again next weekend. I promise to get picks of the charging pipe. I haven't even shot any of the woodleighs yet those APITs are too much fun. You get two bangs, one when the gun goes off the other when the APIT hits. I shot several into a 5'x5'x5' block of concrete, you could see the penetrator stuck in about 3". Half the time the tracers kept burning while stuck in the concrete........AWESOME!!  | |||
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I own the CZ 458 Lott and it can and does shoot a 500 solid at 2363 FPS. I have worked up safe ly to this point using a slow burning powder. | |||
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so far my 458accrl has been used on a 265lbs hog and a 650gr. starling. but the 3rd week in Nov hope to use it on a dangerous whitetails deer!!! Clint | |||
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Im back Will post some more details soon on the terminal thread by DocM But in short: Worked perfekt. Nice 7,7 Ibs light rifle to carry and super effect and penetration on ellies. Only lengthswise shots were recovered Used 500 grs DGS and Barnes banded solids. Both worked equally well. Am now beginning to think of a 500AR in addition to my 458AR  Just for the fun of it... Only thing that worries me is mag capacity. If I use a Ruger Hawkeye rifle - what to do / change to get 3 down + 1 up??? | |||
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There was somebody on this board that made up a mag extension for his ruger 500ar. do a quick search for it, it was a recent post. To do 3 down it actually looked pretty good, it only extended below the stock ~0.5". He made up another extension that did 4 down and it looked a little long. I offered to buy one from him but never got a response. I would want one just to increase the weight. 2 down and 1 up is plenty for me. Here is the post: http://forums.accuratereloadin...631090731#9631090731 But the pictures are gone. | |||
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MAKING YOUR 416,458,470 AccRel a 3 + 1 on a Ruger action It's been on my mind ever since I built the 458 and I've always wanted my gun to be a 3 +1 so I finally set about making it happen today. Here's a quick rundown on what I did. 1st I machined down the rails on the floor plate, this wasn't to hard I just ran it forward and back on a sanding belt....I could get a few thou more out of these rails if I need to.  2nd I cut windows in the sides of the magazine box as per factory issued Remington RUM boxes to accomodate the wider improved shoulder of the AccRel case. I did this with a Dremel and small cutting wheel. I'm not entirely sure I needed to do this but Remington in their wisdom do it with their RUM rifles and we are using RUM brass, so hey why not.  3rd I needed the magazine box to be wider, so I used a hack saw and cut open the rear of the magazine box, it was easy I just followed the join. I have NO intention of rewelding it back together because I've noticed many manufactures today don't see a need to join the magazine box at the rear , Remington SPS's and Howa's come to mind. Additionally I took a little metal away from the left and right sides of the center section of the box to allow it to sit wider in the small recess at the rear of the action magazine inletting, you might notice the small sections that I filed out and squared up.  4TH I stretched the mag box out a little to the point that it needs to be squeezed pretty firmly to fit back into the action inletting, you might be able to see how wide it sits after being cut open. One more thing I did and I don't know if this will make a difference, I had to replace my follower after trying to alter the original. The follower I have now is the Ruger RSM Rigby follower, it's ever so slightly different, but still JUST fits into the standard action and has not been modified at all.  OH and lastly I did notice the follower spring will fit back onto the floor plate either way BUT one side makes it sit lower than the other, you will need to check this when putting the spring back Good Luck. regards S&F | |||
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Mates looks good, might have to attack mine .Paz 458AR & 500AR owner (yes it is done  )12GFH in the pipeline(but not a real one, just a "mini one"!! The single shot on fine and beautiful lines built by a master craftsman is indeed a gentleman's piece... Colonel Townsend Whelen | |||
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Since i am too lazy to go back through 20 pages looking, anyone got some load data for 300 grain pills out of the 458 AccRel? I have some experimental pills here i am going to try over the weekend. Paz 458AR & 500AR owner (yes it is done )12GFH in the pipeline(but not a real one, just a "mini one"!! The single shot on fine and beautiful lines built by a master craftsman is indeed a gentleman's piece... Colonel Townsend Whelen | |||
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pm sent opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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jeffe, Well ... 83gr AR2207 (H4198) behind a prototype monolithic hardly kicked at all. Before and after being put into wet phone-books:  The 'kink' half way down the ogive has now been fixed. The above load at 25yards got us 16" penetration in tightly packed phone-books and 247gr remaining from 300gr start weight. I think paz is playing with a slightly lighter version. Gotta love a 45cal that can reach out like a 375H&H with like recoil. Cheers... Con | |||
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Con, yes the ones i have here has the "kink" out of them, they look mighty fine, still 300gr though. Will report back tomorrow after i test them  .Paz 458AR & 500AR owner (yes it is done )12GFH in the pipeline(but not a real one, just a "mini one"!! The single shot on fine and beautiful lines built by a master craftsman is indeed a gentleman's piece... Colonel Townsend Whelen | |||
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reading this thread always makes me giddy about building my 500ar... The process is taking me alot longer than I had originally planned, but it will be worth it in the end. It will be a fine rifle that works for a living. At least that is the plan... | |||
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thanks to Woodmnctry for finding these http://www.midwayusa.com/Searc...g____-_1-2-4_8-16-32 right there, on midway! AccRel Brass! opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Good Job RNS | |||
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I am building a 500AR rifle very soon. Any out there who can sell me 5 pcs of 500AR brass?? Need it for adjusting feeding etc etc. Would be much appreciated if someone can help me out... I will of course pay for it and cover shipping expenses.. PM me or send an email on ulrik.hentzer@gmail.com Thanks Ulrik | |||
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