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I don't think I have5 left on hand. Shesh, need to order somemore


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I don't think I have5 left on hand. Shesh, need to order somemore


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Nobody able to help me with 5 pcs of 500AR brass?????



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I am building a 500AR rifle very soon.

Any out there who can sell me 5 pcs of 500AR brass??
Need it for adjusting feeding etc etc. Would be much appreciated if someone can help me out...

I will of course pay for it and cover shipping expenses..
PM me or send an email on ulrik.hentzer@gmail.com
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Try to contact QualityCartridge Ulrik Smiler


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Jens- I have done that already earlier today.. - No reply yet.. Hope Pete can/will help me..

Was just thinking that maybe someone out there can help me out...


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Here is the latest from my project. Put it in a B&C and bedded it!!!



 
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That's really wicked looking... what does it weigh? 9?


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It weighs 8.5 and with 80 grains of H335 pushing a 570 TSX you can feel it a little Wink
 
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sounds very nice ... did you put that over a chrono yet?


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476AR,
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Some 500ar chrono data.

Temps where in the 60s, the average of 3 shots, 90gr AA2520, 600gr woodleigh PP, seated to crimp groove, I think my barrel is 22" 10 twist. I'll double check and correct if not.

2018 fps

I'll try and chrono the APIT's next using the same charge. Based on recoil they are probably breaking 2100.
 
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Would be very nice with some loading data here for the 500AR incl chronoed velocities.. Preferably with 570 grs bullets..
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It's on ammo guide. All over it Smiler


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got my die to flare my case mouths. How fast do you think I could push a 975 cast bullet out of my 500? 1500fps? Just point it at the ground and drill for oil.
 
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good god!


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I am about to place an order for 500 AR dies -- as I am out ... who wants some? $125+shipping


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What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
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Short and Fat's 458 AccRel
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Gentlemen

Here's my Ruger and NO it's not an African, It's my 458 AccRel, I have shot nearly 200 rounds thru this rifle at the equivelent to 458 Lott loads or better and it's still going strong, and it's in another recoil class to the 375 Ruger.





All this from an action and stock that started life as a Ruger Hawkeye 338 WM .

I'm not sure it needs to become a big issue with Ruger, just a few simple extras, like as I have done, duel crossbolt, barrel lug, bed and releave the rear tang, surely Ruger could do this, it's not rocket science, Hell I'm no gunsmith but I did all this myself and still doing bits and pieces to it.

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What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
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Thanx Jeffe for putting that up

You might recall I never had the open sights or the barrel band on the gun, and the damn thing has cut me a few times with the sling stud, so I fitted the banded front sight, sling band and rear sight over Christmas break. It's been a while since I've done a bit of soldering so I spent a fair bit of time getting it right, I didn't have any FORCE 44, but did find some 96.5% Tin - 3.5% silver solder and it's close to FORCE 44 specs so I used it without a hastle. Hardest part was lining the sights up using spirit levels and rods.

It's still not finished, Goes to the gunsmith next week to get glass blasted, clean up my solder marks and hot blued again for a matt finish. It doesn't look it but the barrel has been cut back to just on 22 inches now and feels real handy to point and shoot

I had to say something in the 375 Ruger thread, If I can get this gun of mine to hold together with the hell and fury that the 458 AccRel unleashes to the factory stock, surely Ruger can get it right in the African models.

Here's another for good measure


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Joe,
looking good!
take the solder with you .. to give to the gunsmith .. i've had some of the silversolders just dissolve in a hot tank!

looks great .. have you chrono'ed your loads in this shorter barrel? keep me posted, and you or i can put those loads on ammoguide


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the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
 
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S&F all i can say is SWEET!!!!!!!! will have to get the kid to help me and post pic of my 458AccRel thanks for sharing. Clint
 
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I'm considering building a 470Ar on a ruger stainless mk11.Do you have to form brass or can brass be purchased? Where can reamers be purchased?

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Dies are best from Hornady. The ruger is a really good place to start. If you are in the states, I can rent the reamer and headspace gates. Brass can be bought from qualcart or fire firmed and trimmed from 375 rum

Pm me a phone number and time to call , if you like


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
 
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Canam jeffe is a great guy to work with and you will luv the AccRel! I build a 458AccRel and have had a ball shooting it. It was my deer rifle of choice this year but was not able to bloody it as my buck came out of the bush at 18yds and i used the 44mag on him. good luck and have fun! Clint
 
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Went to a Michagan area meet-shoot today. every one that wanted to shoot my 458AccRel got to. all of them shot it would turn and say it don't kick just push you. i haven;t counted but i think we shoot 40rd out of it. Thanks Jeffe for a great rd and all your help. Clint
 
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thanks clint.. that is very touching!


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

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the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
 
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Soon my 500 AR will be finished. Just awaiting some custom bottom metal for the Ruger Hawkeye, so I`ll be able to have 3+1 capacity Smiler
Will have an Accurate Innovations laminate stock
Border barrel , 21" with 1-10" twist, QPQ treated
No scope - just a peep sight.. Should be under 8 Ibs
 
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Soon my 500 AR will be finished. Just awaiting some custom bottom metal for the Ruger Hawkeye, so I`ll be able to have 3+1 capacity Smiler
Will have an Accurate Innovations laminate stock
Border barrel , 21" with 1-10" twist, QPQ treated
No scope - just a peep sight.. Should be under 8 Ibs


Can't wait to see it. Get lots of pics of the bottom metal, I'm interested to see how that looks and functions. Will this be the first one in Denmark?
 
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Under 8 lbs?
Most folks would be terrified of that--- have you shot it as yet? I like my own hunting 500 AccRel, which is also very light.

There's one in Tanz, chasing buffalo and other game, right now

jeffe


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the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
 
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Under 8 lbs?
Most folks would be terrified of that--- have you shot it as yet? I like my own hunting 500 AccRel, which is also very light.


Will have to weigh my 500AccRel it would be pretty close to that i think, 20" barrel, M98 action, Boyds laminate, peeps.

Paz


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Can't wait to see it. Get lots of pics of the bottom metal, I'm interested to see how that looks and functions. Will this be the first one in Denmark?


Yes - for sure the first in Denmark.. But not the last..
I think my good friend and PH in RSA will have my gunsmith build one for him as well..
I myself am looking very much forward to see and evaluate the new bottommetal..
 
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Well after a couple of years of I'm going to... I got the Rem 798 Zastava rechambered to 458ar. Thanks Jeffe (reamer was mailed back today). I got 14 rounds through it today -light loads at that. But it is running. The big bore match is next Saturday so I under the gun. Feeding from the left side of the mag needs some work. The crappy, too small, flat sided bolt knob was cup off and replaced with a VZ24 knob, shank straightened and lengthened a bit. Now it is a right proper bolt that can run quickly. The factory glass bedding was brittle, and it was applied after the inside of the stock was varnished, so it cracked and broke out. I ground, chipped and chopped then re-bedded with Acra-glass gel. The Ruger sling swivel and front sight will be put on next. Forearm was too long and had the ugliest rendition of a schnabel so it went away. I am thinking of going with a NECG rear aperature instead of a V rear (which I love). The barrel will get chopped of about 1" or so to fit the banded front sight but it is 26" now so big deal. That uber-traditional dot sight seems to be working well - 50 rounds of 458WM and a few 458AR's.

I threw in some pics to compare the original Mk X style bolt, Stainless in the pics, and the new bolt, blued.






Hope to see some of you next Saturday.


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the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
 
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Gents

Got some Varmint / thin skin shooting to do and have ordered 2 boxes of SPEER 350g .458 Hotcors

Anybody had any loading and field experience with this combo ? In the AccRel

Speed and destruction are the desired outcomes.

Reg S&F
 
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Jeffe

That rifle there is going to look pretty good.

Since Con and I have the reamer here in OZ I might try and talk a few fellas into doing the conversion, especially to the Remington 798's

Reg S&F
 
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Oh my, you could make detonations at impact zone with those!


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Had a ball with the 458AR at the big bore match. I hate to say it but the Burris Fastfire is the cat's meow.

Chronograph results:
500 Hornady RN
H335 CCI Mag primers
78gr 2088fps ES 122 (no crimp)
79gr 2222fps ES 33 3 rounds trimmed, crimped
80gr 2244fps ES 17 "
81gr 2277fps ES 8 "
82gr 2316fps ES 41 "
83gr 2332fps ES 2 2 rounds

2 and 3 shots are not enough for a real good sample, but that's the way it goes. The 78gr loads were the fire form loads, not trimmed to uniform length and no crimp.
 
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thanks Dan

5 to 22 fps difference, on the load, from the longer barrel to a 23" .. only a couple feet difference with the top loads..

so, what do you think of the pressure signs on say, the 3 loads above 80gr? my max is 85.. and that's MAX for me

jeffe


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What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
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Gents

Got some Varmint / thin skin shooting to do and have ordered 2 boxes of SPEER 350g .458 Hotcors

Anybody had any loading and field experience with this combo ? In the AccRel

Speed and destruction are the desired outcomes.

Reg S&F


Joe,
i haven't loaded any of these, but you loads for the the 405 TBF shouold give you a very good starting point


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the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
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No pressure signs on primers or cases on the loads above 80gr. Recoil got much heavier on the 82 and 83gr loads.
 
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I now have a few ruger mk11 donar actions,I want to build a 470 and 500 AR.I'm in Canada, can I rent the reamers anywhere or do I have to purchase them.

thanks
 
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I can rent you (your gunsmith?) the reamer.
Order your dies, now.. it sometimes take awhile...

thanks for thinking of them.
jeffe


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the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
 
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Big Five Jack asked
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mine is barely 8 with scope

I sincerely ask that you start a thread detailing the
characteristics of this 500 AccRel. I mean all the fine points.
Stock material and maker, bbl maker and length, twist
rate trigger, scope, etc. and pictures of the works!!!
I am not kidding; I hope to see it this week!

(not much different than tanz2007's build
Stock - hogue ruger PILLAR - I want the full length, but time and cash didn't allow when i got started. I did have to fill a gap in the barrel channel, as my barrel is smaller

Barrel maker - McGown precision, 1:10, CZ heavy profile, with sight base and lug boss - CM, 23" from bolt face - this is a LIGHT profile, i do suggest going +.050 at the muzzle

trigger - tuned ruger factory .. rifle basix makes a good drop in

rings - ruger
scope - bushnell 2x7x32 3200 elite

pictures? looks just like a ruger with a neat rear sight.

weight? 8ish


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
 
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