mr rigby--How big are your moose
over there. It should get them.Ed

An big .big bull is about 700 pounds, but up in sweden they can be ca 900 pounds.

So its small compared to the Alskan moose that you guys have.

It s cool to see these big bore rounds. how much cost it to load an round of them?

mr rigby- once you have cases, which will reload forever, about $3 a load.
About $2 for bullet, 25 cents for primer,
75 cents for cannister powder. Surplus
powder 25 cents or less. I just got a few
825gr 7oo cal soft jacketed bullets from
Copperhead Custom, to test. Made with
copper tubing jackets and they are perfect.
Base closed up tight like the best that
Barnes ever did. Not a big gap like a few
others leave. Won't have to wonder about
shooting lead out and leaving jacket lodged
in the bore,, And the nose shape is
just perfect identical to ones Martin made
for me before his health failed.
Tom made these while waiting
for jackets. I told him with this quality
make them with tubing.So anyone needing big
bore quality bullets, please check
with Copperhead Custom. He can go any weight
and they have a canelure.Ed

The 7383 plinking load mentioned above has
wads under to take up space. Top load of 7383
with 850 gr is 230gr and gets about 2350.
No wads on top load. The wads by the way
taking up the airspace make the calculation
of the expansion ratio accurate, and thus the
velocity formulas are accurate, matching
the chrono.Ed.

The 7383 surplus $3 a lb powder is
getting interesting in our testing.
Even in 12ga plastic with REGULAR
primers.........7 in a row........perfect ignition,including 2 that were cooled from
fridge......hott damn...more later.Ed

The 7383 loads are great in 700He testing.
reduced loads with no airspace(wads take up
space) are predictable. Much better than
loose powder loads like 5744, etc,
that would get hairy if they didn't have
space. Ed.

Shot the 700HE test barrel with 825gr
Copperhead Custom jacketed bullet.
Full load of W748, 3250 plus.It tested
fine and stayed together. Great bullets,
and anyone needing jacketed big bores,
please check them out.You may like
them better than high dollar stuff.Ed

Hollowpointing a 825gr gives 700 gr.
Good for varmints, at 3500 plus!!Ed

After shooting the 825gr at 3200 plus
the other day, I extracted the case from
my test barrel with my fingers. I love that
tough brass, and my case design.None of the hairy loads, even 1000 grainers need any hard
pry with a short screwdriver for extraction fron test barrel.Ed

Shot same case 5 times with reduced 825gr
in 700 test barrel, with no resizing needed
on bottom half of case. Real mild 2800 fps
load. Cases fall out. ED

Those that like banded solid brass slugs, our
testing shows that grooves smaller than
lands will keep pressures same as
soft jacket for same wt of bullet.Ed

The folks at 50 Cal want us to write
up a piece about my 700HE. They are
interested in what we been doing with 50
cal brass to make hairy cartridges..Ed

Anyone got an extra 700 barrel, 30" plus
long, 1.5" minimum diameter. Been waiting
since last summer and now shop is closing
and sending money back. Barrel for Enfield and 3.25"H cartridge needed..Hard to get things
done in big bores.Ed

Got a note from Les today
when he returned funds
for a 12ga and 700 barrel.Last paragraph-
"We have come to the end of an era,closing
the gunshop after 60 years.Thank you for
your patronage. Yours, Les Bauska".........

Got deal going to get 700 barrel for
Enfield. Will be 1.5 inch diameter
and 32" long. I think it will work
with about same contour as 12ga one
on the Savage.Ed

Hey Ed, right now I'm working on kinda the same project, just still twiddling my thumbs on my order of metals I'm recieving (4140,8629,D2,S7 and O1) to get started. But I'm engineering a single shot first than redesigning the whole thing into a double. The action itself is of a completely new design, after spending quite a bit of time drawing away at my workdesk. Big Al's been the bird in my ear and has given me some wonderful ideas and with his enthusiasm, has given me a drive to put forth new ideas into the gunsmithing crowd. Soon my friends, we will have a cartridge capable of knocking a elephant off it's feet!

Can you give us a general idea of
the action design. Anything new is
interesting. Will it be easier for
amateurs to make? Or maybe you
market it? Ed

I want to put an order together of a
bunch MRC PH Actions with larger barrel
thread to use for my 700H 3.25" case.
Action will work with larger thread.
They said they'd do the larger thread on
a bunch as long as there are 15-20wanted
that way. If I can't get enough in
the way commitments in a few weeks
I'm gonna try ordering with a down payment
enough to get it done. I think for big bore nuts
this is chance to get a real hairy case in a bolt gun without 3-5 grand being spent.There
are 700 bullets out there. I have cases.
Just need an action that is right size
without being huge and costing arm/leg.Ed

Hey Ed, sorry it took so long to get back to ya. Been chasing around a new rifle that I finally just bought.
Well this new action of mine has been kind of a idea correlation between Big Al and myself, and hopefully any other ideas would be appreciated. It's a rather simple pivoting block system that does away with all the wonderful little fragile parts of a standard falling block. In all basics, it's kinda like the Steven's M.44 1/2 on steriods, except with a external hammer a la Sharps and a few other features I'm throwing down on blueprints to see if it'll work. This action will first be a single shot, than I'm going to rework it into a pivoting-block double. Don't know how it'll be recieved by the general public, but I'm aiming for more managable manufacturing costs to give the average working man a chance at a true big bore single or double. Once it's out of the woodworks and the patent is pending, I plan on posting pictures and hopefully granting the rights to a manufacturing company in hopes to bring back the interest in big bores and not all these minute-bore super zippers.
I don't believe I'd be able to become a manufacturer myself due to time constraints being in the Marine Corps. If I wasn't tied down to my duties, I'm sure I'd having a working action already made!
I'll be posting more about the action and if I can be of any help to you please let me know!

Best Regards,
Kevin

Metalsmith,

I believe a very large and well known Gunmaker of considerable provinance has already invented and owns the 800 NE, 800 Nitro Express, ETC.

FYI pretty much every conceivable iteration of pivoting block device has been done. Some work well and most don't.

If you haven't already you might wan't to check out one of the comprehensive compilations on single shot designs. Most of the designs are in the public domain. Careful of those pesky patents!

You might save yourself a ton of work and $$$.

metalsmith-mac- Action sounds interesting.
I have a 900 HE Belted case made from
20mm Suzy brass, Hope to live long enough
to get it in a gun. In pic my 700HE is
third and 900 is on right.Ed

Ed

Make it .935 x .950 - Krieger has tooling for this and you can get some inexpensive single pointed barrels made.

Of course JD Jones already did that too. (The 950 JDJ I think it was) Something like an 85 lb Elmer Fudd Gun with a shell holder action. He used 20mm M103 Brass. I have some brass if you want it. Also have a M103 die set too.

Have any photos of your 900?

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
I want to put an order together of a
bunch MRC PH Actions with larger barrel
thread to use for my 700H 3.25" case.
Action will work with larger thread.
They said they'd do the larger thread on
a bunch as long as there are 15-20wanted
that way. If I can't get enough in
the way commitments in a few weeks
I'm gonna try ordering with a down payment
enough to get it done. I think for big bore nuts
this is chance to get a real hairy case in a bolt gun without 3-5 grand being spent.There
are 700 bullets out there. I have cases.
Just need an action that is right size
without being huge and costing arm/leg.Ed

Ed,
How big a thread are you talking? I am on the list for a PH and want something larger than a standard mauser thread also.

All I have is the case, a belted 900
case That brass is perfect at that diameter, but not any larger.I have the Vulcan brass you
mention and being little larger diameter,
but it is shorter than Suzy brass,
that is what we made 4bore cases from that
are the same as Ken Owen's cases, using
Naval Ordnance slugs. That is our 4 bore
project. ED

GLZ-- Mauser is 1.1", MRC wants to
make it 1.060. But they made action
bigger than Mauser up to 1.505" action
diameter.So if thread was a 1.1875- 1.2"
and you use 1.45-1.5 inch barrels,
be perfect. We got to get everyone away from the idea of these size cases in 1.25" barrel
stock, with 1-1.060 threads, just because
that's the barrel diameter most companies
want to make.It is crazy.No way to build
big caliber guns.Ed

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
GLZ-- Mauser is 1.1", MRC wants to
make it 1.060. But they made action
bigger than Mauser up to 1.505" action
diameter.So if thread was a 1.875"
and you use 1.45-1.5 inch barrels,
be perfect. We got to get everyone away from the idea of these size cases in 1.25" barrel
stock, with 1-1.060 threads, just because
that's the barrel diameter most companies
want to make.It is crazy.No way to build
big caliber guns.Ed

Ed, 1.175? I'm in. I'll contact MRC and express my "needs".

Correection in my post above
Thread size -- 1.1875"- 1.2"
Can't type or proof read I guess.Ed

Ed,
how about 1.2x16

That is perfect. Ed

Shot reduced load with 825gr in 700HE test
barrel. 150gr of 7383 surplus and 16 ga
wads for filler. Ignition perfect and
17-1800 fps. Real pussycat practice load.
I can make any combination of full or
reduced loads in any powder. Seeing
as I have a half bushel of 16 ga wads.
Should have barrel for Enfield to do
shorter 3.25" case in a short time.Ed

Here is pic of case I and others
want to use in PH ACTION. The ones on
left, the 700H.. My long one on right.
700H with 1000 gr loaded length about
3.9 inches overall. Ed

I got a Mauser GEHA bolt gun that was
set up for 12ga, that I will do 12ga
load work with big barrel. But looking at
it, it could be set up to do the 700H 3.25"
case. I'd add second lug in rear like the
rear lugs I did on Enfield.The actions
already reamed out for letting case fit.
Work singleshot. Ed

The 700 barrel will be rifled in a
couple weeks. They are doing 1 to 22
twist.Ed

We may have a guy with a AR50 bolt
upper who will try the 700HE long
case. Was interested when we described
the ballistics. Ed

ed...what about necking the 700 he to the cheaper and more avaliable 577 and 510 bullets and barrels? make the case 3" long for a 550 cz action????? 750 grain 577 bullets could fly pretty fast say around 2600 fps...

Boom--In a way its been done - The 50BMG
spotter round, 3" long, 50cal, and base
same size as regular BMG. Just shorter.
Now if you had a spotter round or my case
necked to 50cal or 585, or spotter expanded
to 585, they'd be to big of diameter for
the CZ and other regular bolt actions.
Which is why we like MRC PH action with
bigger bolt and we are trying to get it set
up right.With bigger barrel threads.
My 585HE one of a kind will get a 750gr
to 2800 plus. It is made from NYATI basic brass,
that ended up with a case 3.45" long.
A long straight sided belted case. Ed.

Here is pic of my 585HE on the right with
Booms new 585 Belted Magnum I engineered
on the left. Middle 600 OK. My 585 is
a case half way between 458/475 bores and
700/12ga bores. It is helpful in my
powder testing, primer testing, comparing
how powder charge diameters affect ignition
and powder speeds. Ed

I got complimented on the nice sharp
accurate belt I put on the 700, by
Dave Manson. Compared to the
pushed on belts others have done on
cases he has collected. It allows accurate chambering so case is supported, so case
will last many firings. Ed

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
I got complimented on the nice sharp
accurate belt I put on the 700, by
Dave Manson. Compared to the
pushed on belts others have done on
cases he has collected. It allows accurate chambering so case is supported, so case
will last many firings. Ed

what did he say about the 585?

Yes he said that also about the 585 and
500 Rum. And other cases that I had done,
that I showed him to show him my hobby.
I have done it to about 2 dozen different
brands and sizes cases over the years. Ed