quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:

quote:

Originally posted by 416Tanzan:
Yes, thank you Bob.
I understand that Shootaway may not have understood what he was arguing. I simply wanted to point out that there remain situations where the Lott is a good choice, even a better choice for non-handloaders. The Lott is not a bad caliber, nor are the 450 Dakota or Rigby, but the last two are specialist calibers that call for a lot of pushback to justify themselves.

Myself, I'm a dyed-in-the-wool handloader, and I'm interested in lighter carry. So someday I'll downsize to a 3.4" Ruger.
(Hey, I've already got a 3.4" Ruger in .510" that does 7000-ftpounds of recoil, so I'm thinking a little over 5000 ft# would be downsizing.)

quote:

Trump acquitted.
Nancy loses again.

This has truly been something that shows the dark-side of people's hearts when ready to read other people's intentions in bad faith and only in bad faith.
Fortunately, I listened to the State of the Union, and I heard the unsuppressed joy when the President mentioned his administration's full support of the
2nd Amendment.
That includes the WinMag and Lott, the 10mm and the 45. Even a wildcat 500 or lowly 416 .

Hey, there's NOTHING lowly about the 416. The lowly moniker should be reserved for the 375. And of course, any Blaser.

Thank you, Todd. In fact, my sentence was 'tongue-in-cheek', I really love the "lowly 416." I understand how Selby could walk around in the age of 458 with a 416 and his head held high.

- - -

And the President didn't need to do what supporters understood:

416 is for when you can’t find a 400 or 577

Boomie, you're right, too.

(As for "Topic", note how we relate Selby's 416 to "the age of 458." )

Great work MISSIONARIES !
All topics are fair game here.
Let us not forget the importance of solar cycles in climate change.
No matter what we puny humans do, THE SUN will someday flare and blast an EMP that will produce a great die-off of humans, since we are now so dependent on technology.
That is gonna be one helluva "rapture."
A new stone age will come.

Now to bring it back to topic:
Those having a .458 WIN rifle with stores of ammunition and reloading supplies may have the highest survival rate of all humans,
during the rebuilding period after 90% of humanity is gone.



Every "serious survival rifle" (SSR) ought to be equipped with one of those, to store the peep for ready access, just in case the scope gets smashed.
What is the best chambering for the SSR ?
Why .458 Winchester Magnum, of course.

Rip ...

RS,
The matter you mention has occurred to me many times as a clear-and-present danger, so forgive me for not repeating your quote. If it has happened, the authorities would also not be likely to tell us because of its copy-cat potential.

There have always been instances of such activity, either malicious or just deranged, and one minus-child was jailed here for it not long ago. However, the increasing problem this year has been dry lightning strikes, which have, according to the earnest country fire chiefs fronting the news lately, had an unusually bad effect on trees and dead vegetation desiccated by years of drought. Even after an area has been completely vacated by the danger from existing fires, new ones would start behind the management lines, caused by lightning that was part of a weather system the fires had brought about.

Ember attack is another feature of our fires, perhaps increased by the broad-leafed nature of our trees. Even if fire fighters are containing a front, strong winds can carry embers over top of them and start new outbreaks on the lee side. And those strong winds have also been a feature of our summer this year. Twice in the past month Melbourne has had the Malley come to town in great dust storms, followed by orange rain.

Many people have criticised greenie tree changers for resisting cool burns before the fire season started. And while I have no truck with their outlook, the nation-wide emergency we've had this year suggests there is something bigger going on. Part of the problem with cool burns is apparently the shortage of days when they can be carried out because the bush is either too cold/wet or too dry and dangerous. Then, when the conditions are right, it is hard to find enough experienced people to keep a burn under control. People who previously would have denied Aborigines any claim to land husbandry or even ownership like to point out that they conducted such burns for tens of thousands of years. While we still see burns like this in the Northern Territory and East Africa, the application for them in temperate Australia has been limited by the building of houses and fences every few hundred yards.

Forget about a socialist-scam as explaining global warming. Margaret Thatcher was a scientist who got to grips with the concept very quickly - which may even help explain her closing down the British coal mines. Boris Johnson understands it well enough and has resolved to ban selling gas-and-diesel cars within 15 years. Somehow the US and Australia are the only western countries that don't get it. I guess we're just 'lucky' having Rupert Murdoch and the Coke brothers on our side. Tens, if not hundreds, of scientific studies all point in the same direction, ranging from those that show the dire results of climate change to those that show how carbon dioxide and methane heat up the atmosphere.

I was going to offer you some links to stuff like this but new news has just come to hand. Forget about the lives and maybe $200 billion the fires have cost, it may be all over in a moment:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...ly-notifcation-small

PS: as to your asking what all this has to do with the 458 Winchester Magnum, it's all for the Mission, buddy. If half the critters we love to hunt are driven to extinction by their competing with agriculture under climate change, even the need for rifles will be diminished.

Sambarman338,
The attachment to your post above further proves that Nature and the Solar system actions trump all and anything that man kind can ever do.

If mankind uses hydrogen bombs to kill all living matter on earth, in a few million years, things will change, possibly for the better. Nature is in it for the long run and the Sun for the even longer run.

Long after the current crop of delusional climate alarmist are dead and decomposed, nature will survive.

quote:

Originally posted by sambarman338:

Forget about the lives and maybe $200 billion the fires have cost, it may be all over in a moment:

Check how many who died in past bush fires in Australia, including fire fighters.

Quite right, CR. The earth is basically a hot rock with water cooling the outside of it. It doesn't give a damn. Dinosaurs probably existed in a climate pretty much like where we're headed but that suited them, not us.

We know that in the long run Earth will be consumed by the ballooning sun, so taking a view that long, life is futile - but I'd just like to keep some of what we've had for our children and grandchildren.

quote:

Originally posted by xausa:
I don't recall ever mentioning scopes in my original post. A rereading of it confirms that I didn't. What I was objecting to was (is) open sights as opposed to aperture sights like receiver sights or tang sights or cocking piece sights.

My favorite DG rifle has no scope on it and I never found the need for one, but looking through a hole at a target, which I have done most of my life, is a far cry from using a bead and notch.

I have a scope on my .458 DR, but I would be just as happy with an aperture sight, if I found one which could be mounted on it in a way that didn't offend my aesthetic sense.

I'm with you there, xausa, though I think a peep sight looks better on an O/U than a S/S.

As to your mention of crank handles, yes, but it's a pity 4X4 trucks don't have them any more for emergencies. I'm told compressions have got so high they could hardly be turned now but the proliferation of automatic transmissions and power-sapping conveniences has got to be a worry when you're miles from help.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike McGuire:

quote:

Originally posted by sambarman338:

Forget about the lives and maybe $200 billion the fires have cost, it may be all over in a moment:

Check how many who died in past bush fires in Australia, including fire fighters.

Sorry, Mike, that was an attempt at irony. I didn't mention a number because many more people died on Black Saturday and whatever number I mentioned would be gezumped by some other tragedy. And people are still dying. People who've lost their homes and jobs and loved ones will lose their own battles. Fire fighters will get PTSD as soldiers returning from war have and some will also not survive.

About every 1000 years the earth gets hit by a massive coronal ejection from the sun.
We missed one by about 9 days of earth's orbit around the sun in 2012.
In 1859 the earth took a direct hit, "The Carrington Event."
Knocked out the early telegraph systems around the globe.

https://www.history.com/news/a...859-carrington-event

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859



If we took a hit like that today, only the strong will survive, and they will be very busy burying the corpses.
We'll all be "off the grid." There won't be any grid left.
We'll be reverting to fossil fuels in a hurry.
Might even have to use wood burning stoves to cook up some Soylent Green.

Climate Change worries are silly in comparison, when we have done next to nothing about defending against such an event or a more likely EMP weapon
from the likes of North Korea.

CO2 content of the air, that nutrient for plants which we manufacture with our own bodies is at 411 ppm now, in the air we all share.
That is 0.04% of the air.
It was 10 times higher when the fish turned into amphibians to walk the earth and breathe that air,
according to science.
That is huge: + 0.4% of the atmosphere, not 0.0411%.
OK it is up from about 0.028% to 0.0411% since the industrial revolution began about 200 years ago,
nowhere near CRISIS.
Ice ages have come and gone due to wobbles in the earth's axis of revolution and in variations in its orbit,
due to God knows what.
Warm winters, cold summers, potato famines, etc. ...
I feel another google coming on.

Little Ice Age
The Little Ice Age (LIA) was a period of cooling that occurred after the Medieval Warm Period.[1] Although it was not a true ice age, the term was introduced into scientific literature by François E. Matthes in 1939.[2]It has been conventionally defined as a period extending from the 16th to the 19th centuries,[3][4][5] but some experts prefer an alternative timespan from about 1300[6] to about 1850.[7][8][9]
The NASA Earth Observatory notes three particularly cold intervals: one beginning about 1650, another about 1770, and the last in 1850, all separated by intervals of slight warming.[5] The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Third Assessment Report considered the timing and areas affected by the Little Ice Age suggested largely independent regional climate changes rather than a globally synchronous increased glaciation. At most, there was modest cooling of the Northern Hemisphere during the period.[10]
Several causes have been proposed: cyclical lows in solar radiation, heightened volcanic activity, changes in the ocean circulation, variations in Earth's orbit and axial tilt (orbital forcing), inherent variability in global climate, and decreases in the human population (for example from the Black Death and the colonization of the Americas).[11]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

Irish Famine (1740–41)
The famine of 1740–41 was due to extremely cold and then rainy weather in successive years, resulting in food losses in three categories: a series of poor grain harvests, a shortage of milk, and frost damage to potatoes.[4] At this time, grains, particularly oats, were more important than potatoes as staples in the diet of most workers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ine_(1740%E2%80%9341)

New Study: Irish Potato Famine (1846) Caused By Very Warm Winter
https://principia-scientific.o...by-very-warm-winter/

Newer Study: After 168 Years, Potato Famine Mystery Solved
After nearly two centuries, scientists have identified the plant pathogen that devastated Ireland, killing 1 million people and triggering a mass emigration.
https://www.history.com/news/a...amine-mystery-solved


It is evil to join the Climate Change Crisis Politics Religion (CCCPR) in order to dictate the behavior of humanity through worship of politics !
We are currently enjoying a temperature anomaly about 1 degree C greater than the depths of cold during the Little Ice Age.
Freedom will solve any problem, if we survive that EMP coming our way. Or asteroid ...

Back to what we can do something about right now: .458 WIN husbandry.

Did anyone notice a change in page count of THE MISSION ?
It was up to 182 now back to 180 ?
Are we now missing some hot air ?
I wonder what has caused this Thread Change Crisis ?

Rip ...

I noticed the page count loss anomaly as well. Could it be the Lottites trying to prevent THE MISSION from reaching its goal? Since the Lott has a too-short throat, perhaps its supporters want everything, including this thread, to be shortened as well...

Touche' to bcelliott.

Oh well, I am not going to develop some kind of Thread Change Crisis Politics Religion (TCCPR) over it.

That Dakota M76 African action was tried with .458 WIN dummies up to 3.780" COL.
It holds 6+ rounds in the box, almost 7.
The 7th round can be either pressed down into the box to CRF off the top as bolt is closed,
or that 7th round can be simply dropped into the down tilted chamber and pushfed into battery when bolt is closed,
the other six rounds being pressed down in box until bolt clears the top rim.
When cycling from the box, the rounds fairly fly into the chamber from the too big boltface and chamber.
Extraction and ejection by gravity, with tilting of muzzle to the heavens.
Good news is that the feed rails have enough metal to retain the rounds.
I just need another complete bolt and a .458 barrel.
The .404 RIP/ .458 WIN switch barrel may not switch as easily as a Blaser
but it will be so much better than a Blaser.
That is not saying much, I know, but it is saying something, for THE MISSION.

Rip ...

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
About every 1000 years the earth gets hit by a massive coronal ejection from the sun.
We missed one by about 9 days of earth's orbit around the sun in 2012.
In 1859 the earth took a direct hit, "The Carrington Event."
Knocked out the early telegraph systems around the globe.
...

Rip ...

Thanks Ron,
without rereading and digesting your post for much longer than I have tonight, I couldn't do it justice.

Yes, there are all sorts of natural and man-made disasters that could possibly annihilate our species and many of the others. A couple that occur to me are the inevitability of another meteorite eventually hitting the planet and the now less-popular idea that Yellowstone volcanoes could create a 'nuclear winter'.

On the first of those, I think we, through the US government, should devote some resources to keeping an eye on the sky and logging possible threats, and perhaps some ICBMs devoted to diverting any really dangerous possibilities.

On the second, it may not be a bad idea to keep a stock of canned food and gas in your tank for a quick trip to the supermarket.

Though many other threats may get us, I think it naively fatalistic to simply ignore one that is chugging along, day after day, but could be slowed or stopped if we put our minds to it.

The threat of two or three degrees C may seem no big deal but if you remember that it is from a base of only 14C then it represents maybe a 20 per cent increase on what we had 50 years ago. Worse still is that once it gets to 17 degrees, it may not stop there. As you know, the melting of permafrost will release enormous amounts of methane and that is a greenhouse gas at least 15 times worse than carbon dioxide.

Then, temperatures may occasionally rise so high in many places that virtually all forests and grasslands become tinderboxes subject to the dry lightning we have seen so much of here this summer.

The burning of above-ground carbon is normally not considered an enduring threat because it will be replaced by new plants and trees soon afterwards, which reabsorb the CO2. However, if such massive fires all happen at once we may cross some CO2 threshold that civilisation cannot return from.

How bad could it get? Who knows? I wonder what the NASA man James Hansen might think, having discovered that the 500C temperatures on Venus were largely caused by its CO2-laden atmosphere.

What if we had a plague caused by people eating bats and pangolins spread round the world by carbon fueled flying machines?
The natural world is a cyclical process. The inputs from itself so dwarf the inputs of man that only those who see man as the master of all destiny, put their faith in our ability to control it. Having said that, I conserve. I protect. I pick up after myself in the natural world as any good caretaker would. I also carry afield my trusty 458wm in case a T Rex washes up on Topeka beach.
As you were.

Thank you RIP and Fury01.
Please excuse me from this thread until it returns to guns and specifically to the Mission!

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
Great work MISSIONARIES !
All topics are fair game here.
Let us not forget the importance of solar cycles in climate change.

Rip ...

That's what I'm talking bout!!!

quote:

Originally posted by Fury01:
What if we had a plague caused by people eating bats and pangolins spread round the world by carbon fueled flying machines?
The natural world is a cyclical process. The inputs from itself so dwarf the inputs of man that only those who see man as the master of all destiny, put their faith in our ability to control it. Having said that, I conserve. I protect. I pick up after myself in the natural world as any good caretaker would. I also carry afield my trusty 458wm in case a T Rex washes up on Topeka beach.
As you were.

I'm with Fury on this one. Except I roam afield with my double 500NE since I don't currently own a WM. In my case, in the event Godzilla emerges from the Brazos River! And of course, it sports irons only!

CR,
We here walking guard duty on the Mission have to brush back some Fence jumpers as part of our duty station. We do so happily because we carry our favorite 458WM on duty so everyone jumping the fence is at a disadvantage already!
The 458WM with a 485 Grain Flat Nose cast bullet at 1750 fps is a Great jump shooting platform. 1.75x6 Burris Signature set on 2.5x scope lets have a very good look at where that bullet is going to land. How's that for a welcome back sir?

quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
Great work MISSIONARIES !
All topics are fair game here.
Let us not forget the importance of solar cycles in climate change.

Rip ...

That's what I'm talking bout!!!

And let us not forget the potential far worse effects of the current movement of the Earth's magnetic pole, now in Russia, and moving quickly from a geo-magnetic standpoint. The prognosis is potential severe weather changes, earthquakes, increased volcanic activity, and what other cataclysmic events?

Check out this ancient prediction:The Bible in 2 Peter ch. 3: vs 10 - 13.

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

This goes to show that people who "support the cause" have only stupid things to say.

quote:

Originally posted by shootaway:
This goes to show that people who "support the cause" have only stupid things to say.

The level of irony in this statement is overwhelming.

Back to The MISSION...

Because I've had such excellent results from the 400gr X-Bullet in my former No.1 in .45-70 LT, the CZ550 in .458 WM and my current #1 Ruger Tropical, I'd really like Hornady to produce a similar product since Barnes seems very reticent to do so.

About ten years ago I contacted one of the top guys there (who dealt with "writers") and made such a suggestion. He said he'd take the request to the department which makes such decisions and let me know their response. I never heard from them.

Just perhaps if you, RIP, or others here would contact them again they might give it some serious thought. Apart from their 500s they have of course the 350s FP and RN and a HP 300gr made for the .45-70. A 400gr of the ballistic profile of the former 400-X would be excellent as an all-purpose projectile in my view and purposes. I'm aware of the 400gr GS, but they'er not available here in Canada, and a 400gr Hornady RP-SP, or all copper with a good BC should be very marketable.

My results from the 400-X if used in Africa at 115*F would look like this:

Range:

0 = 5957 ft-lbs
100 = 5238 ft-lbs
200 = 4589 ft-lbs
300 = 4004 ft-lbs
400 = 3479 ft-lbs
500 = 3012 ft-lbs

Not quite as good, of course, in cooler climes.

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

quote:

Originally posted by Fury01:
CR,
We here walking guard duty on the Mission have to brush back some Fence jumpers as part of our duty station. We do so happily because we carry our favorite 458WM on duty so everyone jumping the fence is at a disadvantage already!
The 458WM with a 485 Grain Flat Nose cast bullet at 1750 fps is a Great jump shooting platform. 1.75x6 Burris Signature set on 2.5x scope lets have a very good look at where that bullet is going to land. How's that for a welcome back sir?

Great idea.
What I am shooting next in Marcella is a cast bullet that is 485 grains in 10:1 alloy and 475 grains in 92:5:2:1 alloy:



This one would be very close to 500 grains if cast in 10:1 but it is 487 grains in 92:5:2:1 with plain base and PC-painted:



Reason for review:
An FN with proportionally longer bearing area for same weight would likely have better accuracy potential.
But the slightly better BC of the "pointed round nose" might allow a longer reach for fence jumpers down the clear cut before going subsonic,
way out there down the arc.
Hopefully they will be accurate enough.
Sized to .461" for a .458" groove will be interesting.

Rip ...

quote:

I also carry afield my trusty 458wm in case a T Rex washes up on Topeka beach.
As you were.

For T-Rex, probably a flat-nose solid with an SD approaching .400. And a velocity of 2400fps wouldn't hurt, either. That would mean a 450 Rigby/Dakota/Wby. A 600grain flat-nose with .409 BC could be launched at 2405fps, producing 7700ft# of energy. A reasonable T-Rex load, but unnecessary today. A would even prefer a 500 Mbogo (over my 500 AcRel Nyati), loaded to the gills, 8000+ ft#.

But for elephant today one could ease up quite a bit. Even a lot.
A good bullet in a 500, 458, or 416 would work wonders. Ultimately, it's the bullet that does the work.

quote:

Originally posted by sambarman338:
On the first of those, I think we, through the US government, should devote some resources to keeping an eye on the sky and logging possible threats, and perhaps some ICBMs devoted to diverting any really dangerous possibilities.

Could that be what President Trump's Space Force is about ?
Too bad they probably won't enlist old farts.
Born to early this time.

Rip ...

quote:

Originally posted by .458 Only:
And let us not forget the potential far worse effects of the current movement of the Earth's magnetic pole, now in Russia, and moving quickly from a geo-magnetic standpoint. The prognosis is potential severe weather changes, earthquakes, increased volcanic activity, and what other cataclysmic events?

Check out this ancient prediction:The Bible in 2 Peter ch. 3: vs 10 - 13.

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

That's what I am talking about:



Rip ...

quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:

quote:

Originally posted by shootaway:
This goes to show that people who "support the cause" have only stupid things to say.

The level of irony in this statement is overwhelming.

Irony is the highest form of humor.
Too bad shootaway is not smart enough to get it.

Rip ...

quote:

Originally posted by .458 Only:
Back to The MISSION...

Because I've had such excellent results from the 400gr X-Bullet in my former No.1 in .45-70 LT, the CZ550 in .458 WM and my current #1 Ruger Tropical, I'd really like Hornady to produce a similar product since Barnes seems very reticent to do so.

About ten years ago I contacted one of the top guys there (who dealt with "writers") and made such a suggestion. He said he'd take the request to the department which makes such decisions and let me know their response. I never heard from them.

Just perhaps if you, RIP, or others here would contact them again they might give it some serious thought. Apart from their 500s they have of course the 350s FP and RN and a HP 300gr made for the .45-70. A 400gr of the ballistic profile of the former 400-X would be excellent as an all-purpose projectile in my view and purposes. I'm aware of the 400gr GS, but they'er not available here in Canada, and a 400gr Hornady RP-SP, or all copper with a good BC should be very marketable.

My results from the 400-X if used in Africa at 115*F would look like this:

Range:

0 = 5957 ft-lbs
100 = 5238 ft-lbs
200 = 4589 ft-lbs
300 = 4004 ft-lbs
400 = 3479 ft-lbs
500 = 3012 ft-lbs

Not quite as good, of course, in cooler climes.

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

A word about GSC from anyone?
What I last heard was Gerard got screwed over after he threw in with Cheytac USA or whatever the losers there called themselves.
I have been afraid to poke around in it, being unable to finance a resurrection in the USA.
No doubt that .458"/ 400 gr GSC HV is as good as it gets.
Finn Aagaard essentially said the old Barnes .458"/ 400-gr X-bullet equalled or bettered any 500-gr expanders for whomp on target.
At +2500 fps MV and 3.395" COL they work great on running deer at 150 yards in timber across the gully.

Hornady making a .458"/ 400-grain GMX or something like that would be fantastic: Monometal and hard, pointy, ballistic tip, with boat tail.
A 400-grainer could be used in lever actions with that soft tip like on their 250-gr Monoflex/monometal
or 325-gr FTX/cup&core, flat bases.
I'd settle for a 400-gr Monoflex for greater marketing appeal, but having both would be mo'bettah.

I'll add Hornady to my telephone call schedule.
Failing that, a custom order by CEB for a pointy-copper-monometal-hollow-point called the Winchesterhog ?
Something without the ridiculous bands like on the brass Raptors and such,
which are as useful as tits on a boar hog.

Rip...

quote:

Originally posted by 416Tanzan:

quote:

I also carry afield my trusty 458wm in case a T Rex washes up on Topeka beach.
As you were.

For T-Rex, probably a flat-nose solid with an SD approaching .400. And a velocity of 2400fps wouldn't hurt, either. That would mean a 450 Rigby/Dakota/Wby. A 600grain flat-nose with .409 BC could be launched at 2405fps, producing 7700ft# of energy. A reasonable T-Rex load, but unnecessary today. A would even prefer a 500 Mbogo (over my 500 AcRel Nyati), loaded to the gills, 8000+ ft#.

But for elephant today one could ease up quite a bit. Even a lot.
A good bullet in a 500, 458, or 416 would work wonders. Ultimately, it's the bullet that does the work.

But would you put a scope on the RIFLE FOR DINOSAUR ?

Available routinely chambered for: "7mm Remington Magnum to 416 Remington, 404 Jeffery, 416 Rigby and 450 Dakota"

This gives me hope of finding a .416 Rigby-length bolt with a .375 H&H bolt face, someday ...
Rip ...

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:

quote:

Originally posted by 416Tanzan:

quote:

I also carry afield my trusty 458wm in case a T Rex washes up on Topeka beach.
As you were.

For T-Rex, probably a flat-nose solid with an SD approaching .400. And a velocity of 2400fps wouldn't hurt, either. That would mean a 450 Rigby/Dakota/Wby. A 600grain flat-nose with .409 BC could be launched at 2405fps, producing 7700ft# of energy. A reasonable T-Rex load, but unnecessary today. A would even prefer a 500 Mbogo (over my 500 AcRel Nyati), loaded to the gills, 8000+ ft#.

But for elephant today one could ease up quite a bit. Even a lot.
A good bullet in a 500, 458, or 416 would work wonders. Ultimately, it's the bullet that does the work.

But would you put a scope on the RIFLE FOR DINOSAUR ?

Available in 7mmRemMag through .450 Dakota routinely:

Rip ...

Not a chance!! Heresy

!!!

What a beautiful rifle. No silly straight pull or leather covered stock.

Buy a donkey, Todd, no worries about the THREAD CHANGE CRISIS, we'll soon be back to where we were before on the page count.

https://www.dakotaarms.com/fir...odel-76-african.html

Shazzam ! The Dakota Arms PH model is a Luddite Rifle ! Open iron rear sight and no scope bases !

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Front ramp sight with rear island single blade
Devcon bedded stock inlay
Available calibers: 375 H&H, 404 Jeffery, 416 Remington, 416 Rigby, 458 Lott, 450 Dakota and 450 Rigby

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.416 Rigby, .450 Dakota and .450 Rigby are "non-standard" ?
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Flat bottom integral recoil lug receiver
1/2" or 1" black rubber recoil pad
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Range tested for accuracy
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Target included

I want an African chambered for .458 WIN-V 3.8" with Double-Seyfried-Schtick 2-piece Picatinny scope mounts.
That NECG peep will fit in a patchbox as easily as a Talley.

Rip ...

I am going to cut off the base of the .458"/ 500-grain TSX-FB at the fifth cannelure.
Then chuck it in a drill press and press it onto a file to square up the base, flush with the band above the fifth cannelure.
Will see how close that is to 400 grains.

Rip ...

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:

quote:

Originally posted by sambarman338:
On the first of those, I think we, through the US government, should devote some resources to keeping an eye on the sky and logging possible threats, and perhaps some ICBMs devoted to diverting any really dangerous possibilities.

Could that be what President Trump's Space Force is about ?
Too bad they probably won't enlist old farts.
Born to early this time.

Rip ...

Could be, Ron. I haven't been keeping up with developments on this matter but remember that George W. didn't want to spend money on guarding us from stuff like that - he had better things to do

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Originally posted by Fury01:
What if we had a plague caused by people eating bats and pangolins spread round the world by carbon fueled flying machines?
The natural world is a cyclical process. The inputs from itself so dwarf the inputs of man that only those who see man as the master of all destiny, put their faith in our ability to control it. Having said that, I conserve. I protect. I pick up after myself in the natural world as any good caretaker would. I also carry afield my trusty 458wm in case a T Rex washes up on Topeka beach.
As you were.

Yes, Fury, nature can have all sorts of surprises waiting for us - but does that mean we should just throw up our hands and say it's all hopeless?

I may understand where you're coming from, though. Among the many scientific research projects regarding global warming are a number that look into human attitudes to it. You have probably heard of the people who surveyed practising scientists and found that about 96 per cent of them consider the theory* of man-made global warming quite plausible.

Another IIRC was of some psychologist investigating why certain people deny the concept despite the general scientific acceptance. As I recall she(?) found the deniers were generally not selfish, callous types who didn't give a damn but sensitive people who could not bring themselves to confront the possible consequences of it being true.


*ie not just an opinion about something, but a scientifically established concept:
https://www.britannica.com/science/scientific-theory

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Originally posted by RIP:
I am going to cut off the base of the .458"/ 500-grain TSX-FB at the fifth cannelure.
Then chuck it in a drill press and press it onto a file to square up the base, flush with the band above the fifth cannelure.
Will see how close that is to 400 grains.

Rip ...

Sounds promisingly. We await the results.

Might could try it in other calibers as needs arise. Let us know how difficult and time consuming, too.

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Another IIRC was of some psychologist investigating why certain people deny the concept despite the general scientific acceptance. As I recall she(?) found the deniers were generally not selfish, callous types who didn't give a damn but sensitive people who could not bring themselves to confront the possible consequences of it being true.

Sambar, one problem on this list is that many of us are old enough to remember the global cooling scare of late 60's (if we remember anything at all ).

The messages have an eerie refrain: "The world might be heading toward an ice age, so give us your money for best treatment." vs "The world is overheating, so give us your money for best treatment."

Many a problem can be fixed by a 505, but the three just listed are outside of its purview.

[Disclaimer: I do not contribute to 'carbon-offset' when travelling to conferences. ]

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Originally posted by 416Tanzan:

Sambar, one problem on this list is that many of us are old enough to remember the global cooling scare of late 60's (if we remember anything at all ).

Yes sir, that is correct.

I don't remember anything about global cooling in the 1960's. It was pretty warm where I was:

It was predicted as going to happen.